Author Topic: Zendo, play by forum (Read 198227 times)

Simon · « **Reply #525 on:** May 23, 2016, 06:58:38 PM »

Akhtbn iff one of these:
* it is exactly 2 letters long and they're both vowels,
* it is exactly 3 letters long and of form vovel-vovel-consonant,
* it is at least 4 letters long, begins with a consonant, and alternates between letters and consonants.

Blergh, PINEAPPLE is white, counterexample.

-- Simon

Dullstar · « **Reply #526 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:00:31 PM »

In case Simon's rule isn't correct, a correction to my abridged list and more koans:
BANA
BANO
CAKE
EA
FACADE
MELO
NANA
PINE
PIRA
RATE
XOXOXOX
(I accidentally left XOXOXOX off)

XOXOXO
XOXOX
XOXO
XOX
XO

namida · « **Reply #527 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:01:52 PM »

White Koans
BANA EAR NANANA RATES BANANA EARS NANANAN XOXO BANANAB FACA PINE XOXOX BANANANANA FACAD PINEAPPLE XOXOXO BANANAS FACADE PIRA XOXOXOX BANO MELO PIRAT XOXOXOXO CAKE MELON PIRATE DANANA NANA PIRATES EA NANAN RATE

Black Koans
A BB FAC OXOXOXOX ABA BBA FISH P ABBA BBB LEMMINGS PI ANANAN BIRD M PIN APPLE C ME PIR B CAK MEL R BA CAR MOUSE RAT BAA CAT NA RATS BAN D NAN RESTAURANT BANB DOG O S BANDANA DRUG OPERA STEAM BANN E ORAN TRAIN BAR F ORANGE XO BARS FA OXOXOXO XOX

Dullstar · « **Reply #528 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PM »

Quote from: Simon on May 23, 2016, 06:58:38 PM

Akhtbn iff one of these:
* it is exactly 2 letters long and they're both vowels,
* it is exactly 3 letters long and of form vovel-vovel-consonant,
* it is at least 4 letters long, begins with a consonant, and alternates between letters and consonants.

Blergh, PINEAPPLE is white, counterexample.

-- Simon

I think, based on the hint that was given, that it would depend only on the first n letters, so I think you MIGHT be on to something if you change it along those lines.

Proxima · « **Reply #529 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:02:58 PM »

If the vowel-consonant theory is correct (and subsequent additions to the list have not yet contradicted it), it follows that we have a complete knowledge of 1, 2 and 3-letter koans:

1-letter: All black
2-letter: VV white, others black
3-letter: VVV, VVC white, others black

However, for 4 letters and beyond, a koan can be white without having two consecutive vowels.

Dullstar · « **Reply #530 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:06:51 PM »

I wouldn't say we have complete knowledge of 2 letter koans since we only have one 2 letter white koan. So might as well try to get more, right?
AA
AE
KA
KI
EE
II
OO
UU

If Proxima's theory for 2 letter koans is correct, I'd expect KI and KA to be black, all others white.

namida · « **Reply #531 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:07:39 PM »

White Koans
AA EA NANA PIRATES AE EAR NANAN RATE BANA EARS NANANA RATES BANANA EE NANANAN UU BANANAB FACA OO XOXO BANANANANA FACAD PINE XOXOX BANANAS FACADE PINEAPPLE XOXOXO BANO II PIRA XOXOXOX CAKE MELO PIRAT XOXOXOXO DANANA MELON PIRATE

Black Koans
A BBA KA P ABA BBB KI PI ABBA BIRD LEMMINGS PIN ANANAN C M PIR APPLE CAK ME R B CAR MEL RAT BA CAT MOUSE RATS BAA D NA RESTAURANT BAN DOG NAN S BANB DRUG O STEAM BANDANA E OPERA TRAIN BANN F ORAN XO BAR FA ORANGE XOX BARS FAC OXOXOXO BB FISH OXOXOXOX

namida · « **Reply #532 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:08:52 PM »

I'll just mention - although breaking it down by lengths is one way it could be handled, it is possible to explain the rule without any reference to the koan's length, and certianly without any "if the koan is this long, this rule applies; if it's this long, this other rule applies; etc".

Dullstar · « **Reply #533 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:10:57 PM »

Testing 3 and 4 letters:

EAT
AAA
EEE
III
OOO
UUU
AEI
ICE
IEV
HARE
DARE
KATE

I think it will help, though, if we can at least consistently guess what will be white and what will be black.
Of my latest list, I'm expecting ICE to be black.

namida · « **Reply #534 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:11:59 PM »

White Koans
AA EA KATE PIRATE AAA EAR MELO PIRATES AE EARS MELON RATE AEI EAT NANA RATES BANA EE NANAN UU BANANA EEE NANANA UUU BANANAB FACA NANANAN XOXO BANANANANA FACAD OO XOXOX BANANAS FACADE OOO XOXOXO BANO HARE PINE XOXOXOX CAKE IEV PINEAPPLE XOXOXOXO DANANA II PIRA DARE III PIRAT

Black Koans
A BBA ICE OXOXOXOX ABA BBB KA P ABBA BIRD KI PI ANANAN C LEMMINGS PIN APPLE CAK M PIR B CAR ME R BA CAT MEL RAT BAA D MOUSE RATS BAN DOG NA RESTAURANT BANB DRUG NAN S BANDANA E O STEAM BANN F OPERA TRAIN BAR FA ORAN XO BARS FAC ORANGE XOX BB FISH OXOXOXO

Simon · « **Reply #535 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:15:06 PM »

OOXX
OOXXX
OOXXXX
OOOX
OOOXX
OOOXXX

-- Simon

Dullstar · « **Reply #536 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:15:52 PM »

Quote from: Proxima on May 23, 2016, 07:02:58 PM

If the vowel-consonant theory is correct (and subsequent additions to the list have not yet contradicted it), it follows that we have a complete knowledge of 1, 2 and 3-letter koans:

1-letter: All black
2-letter: VV white, others black
3-letter: VVV, VVC white, others black

However, for 4 letters and beyond, a koan can be white without having two consecutive vowels.

It seems that for 4 letters, CVCV consistently works, but VCVC does not.

namida · « **Reply #537 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:16:13 PM »

White Koans
AA EAR MELON PINEAPPLE AAA EARS NANA PIRA AE EAT NANAN PIRAT AEI EE NANANA PIRATE BANA EEE NANANAN PIRATES BANANA FACA OO RATE BANANAB FACAD OOO RATES BANANANANA FACADE OOOX UU BANANAS HARE OOOXX UUU BANO IEV OOOXXX XOXO CAKE II OOXX XOXOX DANANA III OOXXX XOXOXO DARE KATE OOXXXX XOXOXOX EA MELO PINE XOXOXOXO

Black Koans
A BBA ICE OXOXOXOX ABA BBB KA P ABBA BIRD KI PI ANANAN C LEMMINGS PIN APPLE CAK M PIR B CAR ME R BA CAT MEL RAT BAA D MOUSE RATS BAN DOG NA RESTAURANT BANB DRUG NAN S BANDANA E O STEAM BANN F OPERA TRAIN BAR FA ORAN XO BARS FAC ORANGE XOX BB FISH OXOXOXO

Proxima · « **Reply #538 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:17:07 PM »

Suppose the vowel-consonant theory is correct, then for 4 letters, we know:

VVxx is white (x = anything)
CVCV is white

CVCC is black
CVVC is black
CCVV is black
VCCC is black
VCCV is black
VCVC is black

CVVV, CCCC, CCCV, CCVC, VCVV are unknown.... so let's guess them!

Guesses:
BEAU
BCDF
BCDE
CLUB
EPEE

namida · « **Reply #539 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:18:19 PM »

White Koans
AA EAR MELON PINEAPPLE AAA EARS NANA PIRA AE EAT NANAN PIRAT AEI EE NANANA PIRATE BANA EEE NANANAN PIRATES BANANA FACA OO RATE BANANAB FACAD OOO RATES BANANANANA FACADE OOOX UU BANANAS HARE OOOXX UUU BANO IEV OOOXXX XOXO CAKE II OOXX XOXOX DANANA III OOXXX XOXOXO DARE KATE OOXXXX XOXOXOX EA MELO PINE XOXOXOXO

Black Koans
A BBB FA ORANGE ABA BCDE FAC OXOXOXO ABBA BCDF FISH OXOXOXOX ANANAN BEAU ICE P APPLE BIRD KA PI B C KI PIN BA CAK LEMMINGS PIR BAA CAR M R BAN CAT ME RAT BANB CLUB MEL RATS BANDANA D MOUSE RESTAURANT BANN DOG NA S BAR DRUG NAN STEAM BARS E O TRAIN BB EPEE OPERA XO BBA F ORAN XOX

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