Author Topic: Lemmix Level List Game (Read 14790 times)

QBeez · « **on:** March 25, 2008, 10:20:26 PM »

I remember when we used to have Level List Games at the Lemmingswelt Forums, well I'm here to create a new one! The rules:

1. The same pack cannot be done more than once.

2. You cannot review one of your own levels.

3. You cannot do two or more levelpacks by the same author in a row.

4. The same person cannot review two levels in a row (that includes across packs!).

Here is the format:
<level picture here>
Level #: Name of level
Lemmings: # of lemmings in the level
Lemmings Needed: # of lemmings needed to go in the exit
Release Rate: The minimum release rate of that level
Time Limit: # of minutes in the level
Skills: # of each skill in the level

Good: Is there anything goog about the level? Type it here?

Bad: How about something bad? Type your thoughts here!

Let's start off with QBeez01 pack.

geoo · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2008, 10:55:42 PM »

Actually there is already a thread for this (I suggest that these two topics should be merged into one): http://lemmings.isamedia.org/index.php?topic=44.0
And here's the predecessor to that one: http://it.travisbsd.org/lemmings/lemmingswelt/forums/?topic=1114567084

Can't remember you from the LemmingsWelt Forum, QBeez, under what nick have you been registered there?

I guess that thread will get stuck half-way anyways.

Quietly accepting your brazen decision and starting off with the first level...

QBeez01 Level 1: Sitting Ducks
[insert some picture here]
Save 99/100 (99%)
RR 85, 3 minutes
1 bomber, blocker, miner; 8 builders
Good: Quite like the simplistic design; it's not that long...
Bad: ...yet it's still quite long and too straightforward; hidden traps are no good.
Glad Lemmix has a replay feature and fast forward.

And note that levels with over 80 lemmings won't be playable in CustLemm...

QBeez · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2008, 11:18:47 PM »

These are just my first levels, the later ones are a bit harder...

Also, this is now a Lemmix level list game. Lemmix levels only! The other one is for CustLemm levels only. Also, when I was unregistered, I liked viewing the original CustLemm Level List Game at Lemmingswelt.

EDIT: Just finished "Sockhead", a harder version of "Gulp the Lemmings" on my second pack.

EDIT 2: Finished QBeez03 levelpack! Find it at the Lemmings File Archive!

Clam · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2008, 11:51:24 PM »

^ agree about the hidden traps. Personally, I look for the trigger areas before I play the level because I don't like nasty surprises, but it would be nice if the trap was at least partly visible.

By the way, I just tried this level in custlemm... what a mess

Everything was out of alignment (to avoid this you need to make the screen start a multiple of 8 - easy enough to fix) and it locked up after the 80th lemming! Just a few things to remember when you are making levels - Lemmix runs in a sort of "debug" mode

QBeez · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2009, 02:08:31 AM »

I'm reviving this. Who will do "Preactor of the Plains"?

Dullstar · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2009, 03:46:02 AM »

Quote from: Clam Spammer on March 25, 2008, 11:51:24 PM

^ agree about the hidden traps. Personally, I look for the trigger areas before I play the level because I don't like nasty surprises, but it would be nice if the trap was at least partly visible.

Exactly. That's why I dislike doing 100% runs on the easy version of Compression Method 1 (what was it called, Easy if you Know How?). You can't see the traps.

Let's hope this manages to catch on, considering, QBeez, you bumped it. I did not even know this topic existed.

Clam · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2009, 06:19:23 AM »

Welcome back QBeez!

Since I killed this thread (or at the very least contributed to its death), I guess it's up to me to continue it now. I'll even post a pic of the level

QBeez01 level 2 - Preactor of the Plains

Lemmings - 100
Required - 99 (99%)
RR - 99
Time - 2 minutes
Skills - 1 climber, 1 builder, 1 basher, 1 miner

Good - Simple design, nice and short with a simple solution.
Bad - Again, won't work too well in Custlemm. Also has a bit of the "random terrain pieces" look about it.

Now let's get through this pack so we can move on to mine

Dullstar · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2009, 10:39:47 PM »

I don't see anything on the rules list about having to finish a pack to move onto another. If I'm mistaken, those rules need clarification.

QBeez · « **Reply #8 on:** May 16, 2009, 12:22:34 AM »

We must finish packs to move onto others.

Dullstar · « **Reply #9 on:** May 16, 2009, 12:32:32 AM »

Oh. Sorry about that misunderstanding.

Clam · « **Reply #10 on:** May 16, 2009, 12:42:10 AM »

Well then, go ahead and do a review! As per rule #4 I cant do another one right now.

Dullstar · « **Reply #11 on:** May 16, 2009, 12:56:36 AM »

I have reviewed The Pharaoh's Tomb, or something like that. Either way, it's number 3, the one after Preactor of the Plains.

I don't know Lemmings Archive views on hotlinking, so I'm not going to post the image, but will post a link to it.

The Pharaoh's Tomb
Lemmings: 50
To Save: 50 (100%)
Time: 1 min
Skills - 2 builder, 2 diggers, 1 basher
Good: Clever idea, original levels, different stats.
Bad: Time is very tight. Also, it is rather annoying since the only way I know to run it in Lemmix is to go to the editor and use Play this Level, which gets me no sound and no music. Is there a Lemmix Player for user-made levels?

Clam · « **Reply #12 on:** May 16, 2009, 01:52:56 AM »

There is a Lemmix player for the original levels that has sounds. I'm not sure about custom levels though. And I don't see why Mindless would provide these images if he didn't want anyone to see them

Next level!
QBeez01 level 4 - Downtown Lemmingopolis

Lemmings - 100
Required - 97 (97%)
RR - 1
Time - 2 minutes
Skills - 1 floater, 1 bomber, 1 blocker, 5 builders, 1 miner, 2 diggers
Good - A new take on a level that has been done many times before. You can choose to do it with or without the blocker. Tight requirements but not too restrictive.
Bad - Lack of 100% possibility is a tad annoying. 100 lemmings is probably too many when most of them do nothing but walk.

Dullstar · « **Reply #13 on:** May 16, 2009, 03:55:35 AM »

True. I'd like to know what QBeez would think if I edit all is levels with more than 80 lemmings to make them playable in custlemm. Onto the next review...

QBeez · « **Reply #14 on:** May 16, 2009, 01:36:24 PM »

Quote from: Dullstar on May 16, 2009, 03:55:35 AM

True. I'd like to know what QBeez would think if I edit all is levels with more than 80 lemmings to make them playable in custlemm. Onto the next review...

Well, you could change all the 100-lemming levels to 80 lemmings and create a new pack. A good name would be QBeezCL01, with the CL standing for CustLemm, indicating that all levels in the pack are playable in CustLemm.

Dullstar · « **Reply #15 on:** May 16, 2009, 05:08:19 PM »

That'll work... I'm going to review another level now.

Dullstar · « **Reply #16 on:** May 16, 2009, 05:32:05 PM »

Level 5: D'oh!

Lemmings: 100
To Save: 100
1 climber, 2 bashers, 1 digger, 2 min
Good: Creative solution for Bomboozle if you had all the right skills.
Bad: Tight time limit makes for annoyance; 100 lemmings is too much.

Clam · « **Reply #17 on:** May 16, 2009, 11:45:54 PM »

Quote from: QBeez on May 16, 2009, 01:36:24 PM

Well, you could change all the 100-lemming levels to 80 lemmings and create a new pack. A good name would be QBeezCL01, with the CL standing for CustLemm, indicating that all levels in the pack are playable in CustLemm.

To make them fully playable in CustLemm, you also need to change the object positions and screen start location so they line up with the DOS grid... otherwise things look a bit odd

OK, next review.

Level 6 - The Main Pillars of Daedalem

Lemmings - 100
Required - 98 (98%)
RR - 1
Time - 3 minutes
Skills - 2 blockers, 4 builders, 3 bashers, 1 digger
Good - Brings some life back to an old level.
Bad - ~~So many leftover skills, and yet agonizingly short of a 100% solution.~~ EDIT - nevermind, found a way to save them all

. Still a lot of leftover skills if you just want to pass the level.
And what's up with all the blank terrain pieces to the left of the level? (I guess that's a question for the original designers rather than yourself

).

Dullstar · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2009, 02:12:36 AM »

And, now...
Level 7 - Lemming Rescue Squad

Release Rate: 50
Lemms: 100
To Save: 100
2 minutes
Skills: 5 builders, 3 miners, 1 digger
Good: Solution is easy to think of, and not very frustrating to perform.
Bad: Needs decorative terrain, and maybe some water so it's not just a random block doing nothing but sitting there.

Clam · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:20:12 AM »

Wow, we're really getting through these now!

Level 8 - The Core of Lemmingland

Lemmings - 100
Required - 99 (99%)
RR - 1
Time - 2 minutes
Skills - 1 climber, 1 floater, 1 blocker, 7 builders, 2 miners, 2 diggers
Good - Like level 6, another nice take on an original level.
Bad - The solution is fairly obvious, but the time limit makes execution a bit frustrating. The obvious solution leaves a spare digger that appears to serve no purpose (or does it?

)

Dullstar · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2009, 04:19:59 PM »

Level 9 - Argos Khaos

RR - 50
Time - 2 minutes
Skills - 2 climbers, 1 blocker, 1 bomber, 1 basher, 7 builders
Good - Finally, no extra skills, and brings new life to an old solution idea that I used.
Bad - Needs more extra, pointless terrain and objects for decoration. Time limit makes for too much of a rush, for the solution used, more wall height would be nice, solution is too obvious, getting lemmings to the exit is somewhat hard, thanks to the cramming of lemmings into a small area. This can make getting a lemming heading the correct direction hard to pull off.

Clam · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:59:23 AM »

Level 10 - Do ju it on?

Lemmings - 50
Required - 48 (96%)
RR - 1
Time - 3 minutes
Skills - 1 bomber, 2 blockers, 5 builders, 1 miner, 1 digger
Good - Skill set provides for a variety of solutions, and removes a major backroute that plagued the original level.
Bad - The bomber allows you to play this as a standard "hero" level. Contains another (less obvious) backroute from the original. And the name is a little too bizarre for my liking.

Well, it's taken over a year, but we finally made it to the end of the first pack. Good job people

Which pack are we going to do next?

Dullstar · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2009, 08:42:48 PM »

IDK, but please not one of yours just yet (let's do one of yours after a slightly easier pack). I tried earlier, and I could not work out any solutions...

Clam · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2009, 06:07:30 AM »

I suppose it will have to be someone else's levels, otherwise this thread will likely die from a lack of reviewers.

Whose levels have you solved (besides QBeez)?

Dullstar · « **Reply #24 on:** May 23, 2009, 03:35:54 AM »

Okay, okay, let's get a move on with the level list game, just PICK A PACK SO WE CAN GET A MOVE ON!!!

Clam · « **Reply #25 on:** May 23, 2009, 03:40:56 AM »

Fine. Let's review a pack from another one of our newer level designers.

elfpak01

Go for it.

Dullstar · « **Reply #26 on:** May 23, 2009, 06:59:46 PM »

Level 1
Give a helping brick!

Skills:
25 climbers
6 builders
1 miner
1 digger
1 basher
Time: 4 minutes
RR: 30

Good: Solution is clever and not too hard to figure out
Bad: Solution is difficult to execute. Also, it would make more sense if if the name was Lend a Helping Brick!

Clam · « **Reply #27 on:** May 23, 2009, 11:40:02 PM »

You forgot to mention the number of lemmings and number to be saved - 30 and 30, respectively. Quite important stats, they are

Level 2: Miniature (part I)

Lemmings: 20
Required: 18 (90%)
RR: 70
Skills: 1 of each
Time: 3 minutes

Good: Solution is not obvious, and there are a few ways in which to solve it (although some are probably unintentional). I just found a very nice solution, which may in fact be the intended one.
Bad: Some unaesthetic terrain, such as pillars that end abruptly and a few other pieces that look like they've been randomly slung together.

Dullstar · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:11:16 PM »

That's an ugly level.

EDIT: I've been trying to use linux as a temporary solution (at least, for now) for the crashing, but I need to know if there is a way I can run levelpacks.

Clam · « **Reply #29 on:** May 25, 2009, 12:40:23 AM »

Quote from: Dullstar on May 24, 2009, 05:11:16 PM

That's an ugly level.

And there's two identical levels to come...

Is anyone else willing to review some levels? We can't let this die again :sad:

(edit): It just died.

Well, we made it further than the last review thread...