[V3] Sweet 'N' Sour Lemmings: a bite-size level pack [Difficulty: Easy-Medium]

Started by The Tomato Watcher, October 30, 2025, 10:41:09 PM

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Guigui

Here are my updated replays. Now the whole thing looks less prone to backroutes, good job.

Also I forgot to mention, but I love the post level screen texts ! I always feel bad when I read "SOMEONE wanted to watch the world burn", and that SOMEONE is me  :(  Come one lets aknowledge it, we did plenty of nukes in our Lemmings player lives just for the fun of it !

Some comments on the new settings affecting my previous replays :

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Sour 5 / Sweet 2 (major design change, Sour 5 solution change)
Sweet 2 is still very accessible due to the 50% save required. But it prepares well for Sour 5.

Sour 5 was another story, quite hard now ! I used the "turn a miner with a blocker" trick to save miners needed on the right part of the level. Though the hardest part at the end was to turn that miner so that the crowd does not splat. By some kind of miracle and after many tries, I did it and unwillingly made a precise settings which uses "you fall between diagonal connecting pixels". With this setting, not only the crowd does not splat, but they all fall down in the good direction ! So I even saved a blocker here. Not sure this is intended ?

Sour 6 (design tweaks, solution overhaul). Now I find the level actually easier than before, but this may be because i did not find intended last time and struggled a lot with the timer. I think it is perfectly fine now.
The hardest part for me was to figure out how to save some time at the end : if you set the last delaying basher not high enough, the crowd will make a long way before turning back and you run out of time ! Setting it properly leaves plenty time and I could even save 100%

Save One level pack : do you have what it takes to save one Lemming ?
16 levels of medium difficulty.
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=7216.0

Bravo jolie Ln, tu as trouvé : l'armée de l'air c'est là où on peut te tenir par la main.

Flopsy

I took the time to play this pack and recorded myself doing so. Well worth coming out of NL retirement briefly to do so I should also add  :thumbsup:

Some very good levels in this pack, I especially enjoyed solving Sour 5 and 6.

It's only one video of about an hour long, the pack was a good length I thought.

Sweet 'n' Sour Lems LP by Flopsy

Please make more levels TomatoWatcher, these levels were a very good taster of what you're really capable of!  ;P

JawaJuice

You've done a good job of addressing the backroutes that were found here, @The Tomato Watcher. Only one of my old replays still worked with the updated levels ( Long Road to Nowhere (3 from Sweet rank)). A few only required minor tweaks to my previous solutions, but agree with @Guigui that Through Thick and Thin (5 from Sour rank) is now quite tricky. This is the one updated level that gave me a degree of head-scratching before hitting on the solution. Also agree with Guigui, that final level (6 from Sour), The Institution, is somehow easier than before but that's only because, like him, I think, I came up with some convoluted backroute that was really difficult to pull off in terms of timing. Don't get me wrong, it's still not easy by any means, but finding the proper solution is more intuitive now.

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I dunno why, but the hardest part was seeing where the delaying basher should be placed and also that the height where you start bashing is important. Overall, an excellent level - very neat design.

@Guigui I think we had the same solution for Sour 5, by the sounds of it :)

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I didn't find the turning of the miner with the blocker was that critical, though maybe I just lucked out.

Overall, I can only concur with what @Flopsy said above - great job with this pack, and more levels from you would be most welcome!


Guigui

About Sour 5 @JawaJuice : I checked and we have the same solution indeed. Though my execution was way harder than yours bc I set the miner at an incorrect height, which made the crowd either walk left or splat when escaping the miner tunnel. Another case of player overcomplicating things for himself.

Though I still wonder if we have intended solution on Sour 5 Through Thick and Thin, I save 1 blocker and you save 1 blocker and 1 jumper.

Save One level pack : do you have what it takes to save one Lemming ?
16 levels of medium difficulty.
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=7216.0

Bravo jolie Ln, tu as trouvé : l'armée de l'air c'est là où on peut te tenir par la main.

JawaJuice

Quote from: Guigui on November 28, 2025, 11:04:50 PMAbout Sour 5 @JawaJuice : I checked and we have the same solution indeed. Though my execution was way harder than yours bc I set the miner at an incorrect height, which made the crowd either walk left or splat when escaping the miner tunnel. Another case of player overcomplicating things for himself.

Though I still wonder if we have intended solution on Sour 5 Through Thick and Thin, I save 1 blocker and you save 1 blocker and 1 jumper.

I shall have a look at your replays! Always fun to compare :) To be honest, I also made the same mistake as you, starting the miner at the wrong height on my first attempt, I guess I just saw the starting point needed to be adjusted but I wasn't too precise about the adjustment; that's where I got lucky! Yeah, I'm not sure either if it's the right solution, though it has to be close if not. Maybe The Tomato Watcher will let us know :)

EDIT: Hmm, watching your replay of Sour 5, I'm not quite sure why you use the second jumper, I don't think you should need to if the miner tunnel is correct.