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[NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« on: December 27, 2020, 12:27:06 AM »
(Link to DOS equivalent)

Alright, let's bring over yet another classic challenge. This one is a bit tricky to understand - you are trying to find the lowest number ("n"), such that you can solve the level with no more than N uses of each skill, while also remaining within the original skillset.

So in other words - for an N-of-each solution to count, all of the following conditions must be met:
1. The solution actually solves the level (of course)
2. No skill type is used more times than the skillset (+ available pickups, where applicable) already allows for
3. No skill type is used more than N times

Preassigned skills do not count towards this, as usual.




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|Rating | 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 |
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|Gentle | 1  1  3 10  3  2  2  1  1  1  1  1  2  1  3  2  1  1  2  1  2  1  5  2  3  4  1  9  2  1  3  7 |
|Quirky | 2  1  5  2  5  1  4  2  3  9  1  2  1  7  2  4  4  6  1  1  2 10  3  4  3  4  2  2  2  4  5 12 |
|Zany   | 2  8  3  3  2  1  1  2  1  1  2  4  4  4  3  4  4  3  1  3  6  3  2  1  5  2  5  3  3  2  3  9 |
|Manic  | 2  3  6  4  4  1  4  7 11  8 10  1  2  2  2  6  1  2  4  3  2  3  4  2  2  7  3  6  2  3  4  9 |
|Lunatic| 1  7  4  2  2  2  5  4  3  9  8  7  7  5  2  5  6  3 11  7  6  6  2  4  2  9  7  7 11  4  8  5 |
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2020, 01:08:56 AM »
My replays of interest for Lemmings Redux/Gentle.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2020, 01:10:54 AM »
A lot of easy ones in this rank that we got at about the same time. This is the only one I got ahead of namida :P

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2020, 03:16:23 AM »
My replays of interest for Quirky.

Quirky 6 and Quirky 31 both beat the DOS results. Quirky 6 is probably possible on DOS but I can't be bothered trying to confirm it. Quirky 31 will not work on DOS due to the lower lemming count, although it should work on Amiga.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2020, 03:26:12 AM »
Interesting replays for Redux/Zany.

DOS result for Zany 16 is 3 of each, and is not marked as needing a glitch. I can't see how to do it even with glitches, though.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2020, 04:30:31 AM »
Interesting replays for Redux/Manic.

Manic 13 "Upside-down World", 2 of each
Manic 14 "Come on over to my place", 2 of each
Manic 15 "The Silence Of The Lemmings", 2 of each
Manic 16 "A BeastII Of A Level", 6 of each
Manic 18 "The Gate Trap Lemmings", 2 of each
Manic 21 "Electric Circuit", 2 of each
Manic 27 "Watch Your Fingertip!", 3 of each

Mod Edit: Manic 18 replay updated.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2020, 05:11:55 AM »
Lunatic 2 "The Boiler Room" - 7 of each (R). My 6-builder solution doesn't help here - it uses 7 bombers and 8 climbers, and barely makes it even with that
Lunatic 3 "Anxiety" - 4 per SYCLW
Lunatic 4 "No Added Colors Or Lemmings" - 2, as every skill is required
Lunatic 5 "There's Madness In The Method" - 2, as per SYCLW
Lunatic 6 "Which One Are You Trying To Get?" - 2 of each (R)
Lunatic 7 "Down, Along, Up. In That Order" - 5, as per SYCLW (+ a bit of common sense)
Lunatic 8 "Lemming About Town" - 4, as per SYCLW
Lunatic 9 "Evacuating A Coal Mine" - 3 of each. The 2-basher solution requires 3 builders, while the 2-builder solution requires (at least) 5 bashers.
Lunatic 10 "Be More Than Just A Number" - 9, as per SYCLW
Lunatic 11 "Fix The Road, Quick" - 8, per SYCLW
Lunatic 12 "Water Processing Plant" - 7, per SYCLW
Lunatic 13 "This Corrosion" - 7, per SYCLW
Lunatic 14 "Move On In Two Seperate Groups" - 5, per SYCLW
Lunatic 15 "Evil Whisper" - 2, per SYCLW
Lunatic 16 "SEGA Four" - 5 of each (this is just the no-climber solution, which very obviously needs all 5 builders; any solution using fewer builders would need at least 18 climbers).
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lowest N to solve levels with N-of-each
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2021, 06:21:54 PM »
Right. Here's the second half of Lunatic. Most of these results are because of the SYCLW challenge, but some replays are attached for others.

18: 3
19: 11
20: 7
21: 6 (Thanks to namida's Lemmix solution for this one)
22: 6
23: 2
24: 4 (Very close to making it 3, but not quite. This one may need another look)
25: 2
26: 9
27: 7
28: 7
29: 11
30: 4
31: 8
32: 5
Level Solving Contest creator. Anybody bored and looking for a different challenge? Try these levels!

Neolemmix: #1 #4 #5 #6
Lix: #2  #7
Both Engines: #3