[NeoLemmix] Minimum total skills

[Proxima]

(DOS counterpart)

Another import of an old challenge to NeoLemmix This one asks for the minimum number of total skills to complete each level; which skills doesn't matter, nor does how they are distributed, but only the total number. As usual with challenges that don't specify otherwise, the aim is simply to pass the level, and you are limited to the actual skillset and time limit (if any).


Lemmings Redux

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|Rating | 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Total |
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|Gentle | 1  1  3 11  3  2  2  4  2  1  5  2  2  4  5  7  2  3  5  3  9  5  9  4  7  8  2 22  4  2  6 12  168  |
|Quirky | 5  3 10  3  8  3  7  7  6 12  5  6  2 10  5 10  7 10  3  3  5 15  7 10  5  5  7  4  8  8 12 15  226  |
|Zany   | 4 10  9  8  5  4  1  6  3  1  5  7  8  8  7 11 11 10  5  5 11  8  9  3  9  7  7  4  8  3  7 14  218  |
|Manic  | 5  5 10  8 11  4  5  9 19 13 16  3  7  6  8 12  2  7 11  6  5  6  8  5  6 13  8 12  3  7  7 13  260  |
|Lunatic| 4 12  8  5  7  6 12 10  7 13  8 10  9  9  6 16 17  5 14 13 12 19  6 10  5 14  4 14 18  8 10 11  322  |
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Total for Lemmings Redux: 1194 skills (160 levels) = 7.46 skills per level

[namida]

Here are my replays from this session.

Gentle 9 "Get a little extra help" - 2 skills
Gentle 12 "A Block From Home" - 2 skills
Gentle 15 "Darkness of the royal family" - 5 skills
Gentle 17 "You Live and Lem" - 2 skills
Gentle 24 "Rainbow Island" - 4 skills (This beats the DOS record; but I have checked and it cannot be reproduced on DOS.)
Gentle 25 "The Crankshaft" - 7 skills
Gentle 31 "Doomsday" - 6 skills

This does not include 12 skills on Gentle 32, which is also one of my solutions but is just my no climbers + 2 floaters replay from Skills You Can't Live Without.

[Minim]

Oh wow. I literally worked on all of this back in July/August privately while waiting for a finalised version of Redux. I kept a nice full table of results in my document. I won't list them all here though, but I will list some of my more difficult results, with replays attached in a zip file. (I can see some of mine have been beaten already)

Gentle
10: 1
11: 5
15: 5
21: 9
22: 6
24: 5
25: 7

Quirky
1: 5
6: 3
8: 7
10: 14
11: 5
12: 6
14: 10
15: 5
23: 7
27: 7
31: 12
32: 17

Zany
2: 10
3: 9
5: 5
6: 4
7: 1
8: 6
16: 11
17: 11
18: 11
19: 5
20: 5
21: 12
22: 8
23: 9
24: 3
28: 4
30: 3
31: 8

Manic
2: 5
3: 11
12: 3
13: 7
16: 12
22: 6
23: 9
32: 13

Lunatic
2: 13
5: 7
7: 12
8: 10
16: 16
21: 17
28: 16
31: 12

Edit: File re-uploaded to remove non-working solutions to updated levels. The new replays for Quirky 12 and Lunatic 16 can be found here.

[Proxima]

WillLem and I filled in a bit more of Quirky today. Notable results:

4 "Go for it!" - 4 skills
10 "The Needs of the Many" - 12 skills (not possible on DOS)
19 "Tunnel vision" - 3 skills
21 "The Long Way Around" - 6 skills
22 "The Far Side" - 15 skills

[Proxima]

Results up to Zany 12 filled in. The most noteworthy ones are:

* Quirky 32 "And then there were four", 15 skills. I haven't watched Minim's 17, but I guess he used unnecessary crowd control for the lower entrances -- the RR is so slow, spread among four entrances, that you can do without crowd control and still save enough.

* Zany 12 "Twins", 7 skills. This is the builders-only solution I did for SYCLW, but looking at the SYCLW topic, I posted a replay for 4 builders, but not one for builders-only, so here it is.

[namida]

A few improvements for Quirky. I haven't checked the levels beyond 21 yet.

4 and 17 are interesting, 13 was an oversight. 21 is one of those bat-shit-crazy RR manipulation ones, although there is also an interesting trick in there too.

EDIT: Done the rest now. Quirky 29 was the only additional improvement - suspect this too was a "overlooked that the level doesn't require 100%" case.

Mod Edit: Quirky 21's replay removed because it no longer works with the new update. The updated replay for "The Long Way Around" can be found here.

[namida]

My improvements (or filling-in-the-gaps) for Zany. Zany 18 also turned out to be possible (and an improvement) on DOS.

[namida]

My improvements for Manic 1 to 15.

[namida]

Replays of interest up to Manic 26.

Additionally, for Manic 25, see my 2-builder replay from SYCLW, which gives a result of 6 skills.

[namida]

And the rest of Manic, just two more improvements.

[namida]

Some replays for Lunatic 1 to 10. Lunatic 2 is interesting, but I advise (for your sanity's sake) against trying to reproduce the other two.

Mod Edit: Lunatic 10's replay removed because it no longer works with the new update. The updated replay for "Be More than just a number" can be found here.

[namida]

Of less interest: 10 skills for Lunatic 12, 6 skills for Lunatic 15. (Both easily proven by the SYCLW results.)

[namida]

Two more replays of interest. There's still some late-Lunatic levels I haven't looked at; I've taken a "pick and choose which ones I do" rather than sequential for these last few.

The Lunatic 18 improvement cannot be reproduced on DOS, there are multiple reasons why it fails.

[namida]

And for the remaining levels, now.

Lunatic 30 comes from my 1 miner SYCLW replay, which also saves two climbers.

[namida]

Lemmings Plus I - Mild

Those marked with (R) were interesting enough to attach a replay for.

1 "Just Walk" - 0 skills
2 "Be Careful..." - 1 skill
3 "Heading On In" - 1 skill
4 "In The Style Of..." - 1 skill
5 "The Graveyard" - 2 skills (R)
6 "The Cells" - 2 skills
7 "The Staircase" - 4 skills
8 "Wish You Had Them?" - 1 skill (R)
9 "Tricky Hit" - 1 skill
10 "Take Your Time..." - 10 skills
11 "Cliff Climber Lemming" - 5 skills
12 "On The Pier" - 3 skills (R)
13 "Take A Shortcut!" - 4 skills
14 "Let's Go" - 6 skills (R)
15 "On The Other Side" - 2 skills (R)
16 "Farewell, My Lemming" - 6 skills
17 "Crying Over Spilt Lemming" - 2 skills (R)
18 "Dying Not Recommended" - 2 skills
19 "Up To Where We Go" - 7 skills (R)
20 "Stairway To Infinity" - 6 skills
21 "Falling Away From Everything..." - 7 skills (use the repeat's solution)
22 "Blow Down!" - 6 skills
23 "Step Softly" - 5 skills
24 "With A Little Creativity..." - 2 skills (R)
25 "Across The Ditch" - 4 skills
26 "No Salvation I" - 4 skills (R)
27 "The Quarantine" - 4 skills (R)
28 "The Descending Pillar Scenario" - 3 skills (R)
29 "We All Die Someday" - 9 skills (R)
30 "You Just Lost The Game!" - 5 skills (R)

Of these, the only one I suspect might be improvable is 29 - though please do prove me wrong.

[Minim]

And to finish off Redux, here's a two-skill solution to Quirky 13. It's one of the ones that requires the power of observation in CPM here.

OK, now I can remove my skill results from my personal document and just focus on the times...

Edit: Replay updated!

[Pooty]

Whilst doing other challenges, I found an improvement on Zany 01, which has been reduced to 4 skills.

[Proxima]

The new version of Gentle 27 "Quest for Kieran" can be solved with 2 skills.

We're down to 1202 total; I wonder if we can make it 1200 exactly? There is one level where I believe 2 skills can be taken off, but it would require a lot of RR fiddling so we haven't gotten round to confirming it yet....

Spoiler

"The race against cliches"

[Minim]

All replays to the updated levels can be found in the attachment below. (I had already done Quirky 13 earlier) Here are the levels in this challenge that have been updated. I'll also try and remove the old solutions that no longer work to keep the topic up to date.

Quirky 21: 5
Quirky 12: 6
Lunatic 10: 13
Lunatic 16: 16

[Crane]

I think Proxima already updated the table, but I found a solution for "No added colours or lemmings" that only uses 5 of the 7 tools, found on the fastest time page: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5200.msg90787#msg90787