The Lemmings quiz thread!

[Jazzem]

Just a bit of forum fun this. Basically, I'll start with a quiz-style question about lemmings, and the next person to post must answer it, and provide a question of their own. So if I ask "What colour is the hair of a lemming?", the next person should answer "Green", and below their answer they would ask a different question. The subject has to be Lemmings related obviously, but it can be with any game in the franchise (Including spin off's like Lomax), or even the creation of the games... Just as long as it's related somehow.
 
Of course, there's the slight chance that someone may answer incorrectly. If you notice this, just point it out, and state what you think is the correct answer with a question to boot. If there's three incorrect answers, then the original person must reveal the answer and then post a different question.
 
All well and good? 'kay, here's the first one.
 
Q.The Holiday/Christmas Lemmings games were released on three formats, two of these include DOS PC and the Commodore Amiga. What was the other format?

[Proxima]

Macintosh (though, sadly, I never managed to pick up a copy).

Question two. Which is the only level in (Amiga) Lemmings with a title entirely in lowercase?

[Mindless]

Fun 29 - worra lorra lemmings

In Mike's original animation that inspired Lemmings, the creatures' hair was what color?
(yeah, I'm pretty unoriginal )

[LemSteven]

Blue.

Q: "What an AWESOME level" is one of the two Taxing levels in which you get 20 of each skill. &#A0;What is the other one?

[Proxima]

Walk the web rope.

Question five. Name all the levels in the "Fun" rating (Amiga version) that require 100%

[Jazzem]

Now use miners and climbers, We all Fall down...Gah, that's all I can think of, but I'm sure I'm missing one...

Q.Which Lemmings game names all of it's showcase levels in the "Just [Skill]" style?

(What happened to the previous question, Ahribar?)

EDIT: Gah, ignore me! I just checked, my answer's incorrect.

[Proxima]

Yup, there's one more.    Anyone know it?

[Shvegait]

Ah. "Nightmare on Lem street" of course! (I looked at a list of titles though..)

[JM]

Another question

Which level on the skill "tricky" has all the tools with 66?

[Proxima]

"All the 6s", if you play a version that includes that level.

Revenge question: Name all the Tricky 21 levels in the different versions of Lemmings.

[DragonsLover]

- "All the 6's" for PC, Amiga, Atari ST, Mac, 3DO...
- "Don't leave any lemmings" for Sega Genesis and Megadrive
- "Ohayo Lemming San!" for Super Nintendo
- "Going Their Separate Ways" for Lynx
- "Sixes Not!" for Sega Master System and GameGear

I don't know the other ones!

Q. What are the 2 levels where hidden water appear in the pipes for the Amiga and Atari ST version only?

[LemSteven]

Answer to Jazzem's question:  Lemmings Revolution

I don't have the Amiga or Atari ST versions of Lemmings, so I'll let somebody else answer DragonsLover's question.

[Proxima]

Slight correction: the Mac version also has "Going Their Separate Ways". (I didn't know the level was on another version too.......)

This is a guess, so I'll wait for confirmation, but is it We are now at LEMCON ONE and its "copy"?

[DragonsLover]

Yeah Ahribar, it's "We are now at LEMCON one" and "Poles Apart" where we can see water at the left of the level in the pipes.

Q. What is the special thing about the release date of the first Lemmings? Tell me the date and the special event!

[Proxima]

Isn't it my turn after I got one right?

But anyway...... the date was 14 February 1991..... I don't know what's "special" about that, other than being Valentine's Day; is that what you meant?

Now, my next question: Which is the only Lemmings level to have a hyphen in its title?

[ccexplore]

"Lemmings" as in Lemmings 1 Amiga version? &#A0;I checked the list of levels at home.wanadoo and none from Lemmings have hyphens [smiley=huh.gif], but when ONML is included there are at least 2 from Tame alone. &#A0;And if we are including other versions (eg. Genesis etc.), how many other versions have you played to be sure that there aren't hyphenated levels in some version you didn't play?

[tseug(Guest)]

Fun3: Tailor-Made For Blockers

An easy one:
Which levels from lemmings have a skill set including only bombers?

[ccexplore]

So I guess home.wanadoo has a typo then.

Bomber only levels: &#A0;Diet Lemmingaid, Bomboozal

Another fairly easy one:

There are two levels in (Amiga) lemmings in which you can make someone a blocker, but there is no way to do so and be able to free the blocker later short of nuking. &#A0;"Tailer-Made for Blockers" is one. &#A0;Name the other one?

[Leviathan]

You forgot "Ozone friendly lemmings"

I guess the answer to your question is "Save me"...I don't see how you can save those blockers over there.

[ccexplore]

You forgot "Ozone friendly lemmings"

I guess the answer to your question is "Save me"...I don't see how you can save those blockers over there.

Oops, my answer was wrong. &#A0;But so is yours.

I guess I wasn't clear, I don't mean saving all blockers, and it doesn't even have to solve the level. &#A0;I'm more aiming towards skills given. &#A0;The criteria is that no matter where and how in the level you set up a blocker, you cannot free the blocker without nuking the level. &#A0;In "Save Me", you can do it by making a lemming build a few bricks, then turn him to a blocker, and later bash away the pixels to free him. &#A0;In fact it's used for the various lose-3 solutions for that level.

[Proxima]

I don't call that fairly easy..... I'm completely stuck!

[EDIT: found it. But I had to look it up, so I won't answer.]

[tseug(Guest)]

Is it Taxing 16?

[ccexplore]

No, not Taxing 16, because you can blow up a walker close to the blocker to free him.

Here's a rephrasing of the question in case people still find it too confusing as stated (highlight to read): [highlight]Which level gives you blockers but does not give you any skills that can remove terrain?[/highlight]

[tseug(Guest)]

I found it, but I had to look it up.

[ccexplore]

Hmm, maybe this is too hard.

Let me try this one. &#A0;The next person can answer either this or the original question to go on:

In ONML, turns out that except for Tame, every rating each has exactly one level that has more than one exit, making for 4 multi-exit levels. &#A0;Name them.

(If still too hard, I'll downgrade the question again later.)

[Proxima]

It's too hard....... I can only think of three of them.  

[Leviathan]

ONML levels with 2 exits or more:
-No problemming (altough you can't reach one exit)
-You take the high road
-Down the tube
-Synchronised lemming

Q:Which ONML level has a "no skill" backroute?

[Proxima]

Wild 9, Ice Station Lemming, though the backroute only works in some versions (not Mac, for instance).

(And the answer to ccexplore's earlier question was Tricky 8 -- Lemming sanctuary in sight. Cunning question.)

Q: "Diet Lemmingaid" is the Lemmings level with the fewest total skills, just 2 bombers. What's the second fewest?

[ccexplore]

"All or Nothing" with 3 bashers.

In Lemmings 2, in one of the tribes there is a kind of trap that only makes an appearance in the practice levels. &#A0;Name the tribe and describe the trap.

[DragonsLover]

If I remember correctly, it's in the Space Tribe with the droid that shoots the lemmings with its machinegun. Am I right?

Oh, just a note: Is it possible to look at external websites for the answers? Because, even you would say "No!", you can't see me watching the other websites and that way: no proof. I suppose that, for the fun and for the intention of the game, it is better not to look at these websites, right?

Q. In which version the level "Smile If You Love Lemmings" is replaced by "5 Miles If You Love Lemmings" ?

[Jazzem]

The mega drive version.

Q.What is the only console to only recieve Lemmings 2, but not the prequel?

[Proxima]

Just pointing out that DragonsLover's answer to ccexplore's question is wrong......

[Jazzem]

Oh, just a note: Is it possible to look at external websites for the answers? Because, even you would say "No!", you can't see me watching the other websites and that way: no proof. I suppose that, for the fun and for the intention of the game, it is better not to look at these websites, right?

Well, we'd rather not . If the topic begins to plummet because of an unanswered question, go ahead, but it does kind of ruin the fun of the game.

And it's wrong? Whoop'so. Guess the next person should answer it and my question.

[DragonsLover]

Oh, just a note: Is it possible to look at external websites for the answers? Because, even you would say "No!", you can't see me watching the other websites and that way: no proof. I suppose that, for the fun and for the intention of the game, it is better not to look at these websites, right?

Well, we'd rather not . If the topic begins to plummet because of an unanswered question, go ahead, but it does kind of ruin the fun of the game.

Then, I'll not try to find the answers over Internet but I will, however, find questions to ask!

The mega drive version.

Yep, and Genesis too.

Just pointing out that DragonsLover's answer to ccexplore's question is wrong......

Damn! Someone else?

[LemSteven]

Just pointing out that DragonsLover's answer to ccexplore's question is wrong......

It's the Polar tribe. &#A0;A lemming enters from the top, and gets frozen inside.  Anybody know the answer to Jazzem's question?

Btw, I'm leaving soon to see relatives for Christmas, so I won't be posting much (if at all) for the next few days.

[ccexplore]

Anybody know the answer to Jazzem's question?

Even looking up wikipedia's entry for Lemmings 2, I did not find a console port listed that isn't also listed in wikipedia's entry for Lemmings. &#A0;Granted, wikipedia isn't exactly authoritative.

[Jazzem]

I'll give you a clue.

In the sense of what it is (The console), calling it a games console is a bit too generous.

But it's not a computer of any kind.

EDIT: And yeah, wiki's list isn't complete, although I think the systems are just used as some examples.

[ccexplore]

On the other hand, wikipedia's list for Lemmings 1 ports is so comprehensive, it pretty much eliminates even the wild guesses one might make.

[Proxima]

Not a computer of any kind, eh?

That leaves: the adventure gamebooks.    Didn't think of that, did you?

[ccexplore]

That's truly an abuse of the word "console". :

On the other hand, I didn't know the Adventure Gamebooks was based on Lemmings 2 rather than 1.

What exactly are they anyway?  Do they really even qualify as a version of Lemmings 2 as we normally know it?  How the heck could you play Lemmings 2 on a book?

[ccexplore]

Ok I followed the link in the Lemmings Adventure Gamebooks thread. &#A0;I still think the question is stretching the wording a bit thin. &#A0;(What would the second adventure book be? &#A0;Lemmings 3 or a second Lemmings 2 release? )

So, continuing on with something less misleading:

In Amiga Lemmings, one of the music tracks for levels feature spoken English words. &#A0;Name one level using that track and give one of the spoken words.

[DragonsLover]

Ok I followed the link in the Lemmings Adventure Gamebooks thread. &#A0;I still think the question is stretching the wording a bit thin. &#A0;(What would the second adventure book be? &#A0;Lemmings 3 or a second Lemmings 2 release? )

Damn! I didn't know that I gave the answer when creating this topic! For real!

[Jazzem]

No no no!

I didn't mean the adventure gamebooks at all! When I said computer, I meant as in Amiga, Archimedes, PC etc. Apologies, blame it on my bad wording.

[ccexplore]

Oh ok, I guess Ahribar was really joking.

Still, given that the Lemmings 1 ports list in wikipedia even has calculators listed, I again reiterate my earlier statement of "so, what's left??? "

[Jazzem]

Okay, new clue.

This console won't work on it's own!

[Mindless]

In Amiga Lemmings, one of the music tracks for levels feature spoken English words.  Name one level using that track and give one of the spoken words.

Since there are two questions open, I'll answer this one.  "MENACING!!!"  One of the words is "danger" and the other sounds like "feet up" or "feed up" but neither makes any sense.  Check it.

[Proxima]

"Speed up".

[Proxima]

OK, we've had one wrong guess and one clue for Jazzem's question. And no-one's trying to answer, so let's have another clue and if we still can't get it, someone will have to give us a new question.

[Jazzem]

Another clue!? Bah, I've already given two.

Think of a console that recieved many ports, but with the odd update or two and improved graphics/sound...

[Proxima]

No-one seems to be answering.....

I'd be happy to set a new question, but only if I'm sure that people really have given up.

[Jazzem]

You may aswell ask a new one Ahribar.

The console was the Mega CD. Sorry if that was a bit obscure!

[Proxima]

No problem    I wouldn't have known a console question even if it was a lot less obscure.

Let's go back to an easy one to get people interested again......

Q: Other than "Bomboozal" and "We all fall down", what's the only Amiga Taxing level with no builders?

[Jazzem]

Are we the only ones interested?

The answer is Ozone Friendly Lemmings. Here's another fairly easy one.

Which Lemmings games has a level with a reference to another puzzle game?

[Proxima]

I'm afraid not; "Ozone friendly lemmings" is a Tricky level.

As to your question, Tetris is usually considered a puzzle game (though I don't see it myself -- it certainly involves strategy and tactics, but there's no actual puzzle element......) so the answer would be "LEMTRIS" from Lemmings 2.

[chaos_defrost]

If I remember right, which I might not, Compression Method 1 has no builders. Or at least mentally going through the Taxing set, it's the only other level I can think of that wouldn't require builders (or a glitch).

[Proxima]

Correct; your turn to set a question!

(900th post........ whoop!)

[ccexplore]

Are we the only ones interested?

I'm still on it.  But until after the New Year, I will not be at home since I'm on vacation, so I won't be online as much.

Next question: Name the one and only level in ONML that gives the player only one kind of skills, and name which skill it is.  Extra credit if you remember how many.

[ccexplore]

Whoops.  Well, answer or ignore my question as you wish.

[chaos_defrost]

Havoc 12. I remember the number but not the name (something about timing or something), and you get 12 builders.

I'll edit in my question when I think of it.

EDIT: Ok, here goes.

Refering back to that same Taxing set of what I presume is Amiga Lemmings, name the only level of this set whose minimum release rate is exactly equal to the sum of all tasks assigned to you to solve the level.

[Proxima]

Tough call, but that would be "Triple Trouble" -- 10 of each skill, RR 80.

And can you name the only other level on the game with the same property?
(Clue: it's much easier to find.)

[Jazzem]

That would be "You need bashers this time", 50 bashers and a 50 release rate. I apologize for my wrong answer earlier, but it's not too difficult to mix up two words beginning with the same letter

Q.In Amiga Lemmings (Or any other version that is near-identical), what is the first level to offer the player 10 of every skill?

[LemSteven]

"This should be a doddle."

Q: What is the last level in the original Lemmings (PC or identical version) to offer the player 10 of every skill?

[Proxima]

The Fast Food Kitchen (Mayhem 15).

What is the ONLY level in Oh No! More Lemmings, excluding Tame, to have an equal number of every skill?

[Leviathan]

"On the Antarctic Coast" has 5 of each skill.

Which parts from the roman set are "missing" in Lemedit for making a pixel-precise remake of FANL?

[Jazzem]

Err, could you explain what FANL stands for?

[Leviathan]

Err, could you explain what FANL stands for?

Fall and no Life,one of the most famous levels ever

[Jazzem]

Whoop-o, I apologize. I'm dreadful with abbreviations!

[tseug]

Fall and no Life,one of the most famous levels ever

I think that would be FANL2. FANL is relatively easy.

Those thin pieces are "missing".

Easy if you've played Genesis lemmings....
What is the level number of the special graphics level in the SUNSOFT rating?

[DarkSonic(Guest)]

Number 18, it was named 'SUNSOFT Special'

[DragonsLover]

Oh wow! Welcome here Dark Sonic (even if you're a Guest)!

For Dark Sonic, do you mean: Shadow?

[Proxima]

DarkSonic needs to set a question.

[Proxima]

OK, it's been long enough, so here's a question from me; I haven't properly earned the right to set the question so it'll just be an easy one to start us up again.

Q: The "Present" category in Genesis/Megadrive Lemmings has two levels that give only one type of skill. Name *one* of the two levels, which skill, and how many it gives.

[chaos_defrost]

Isn't there a level in the Present set called "Everyone turn left" or something like that which only gives you one blocker? I've never played Genesis Lemmings, but I remember seeing something weird like that. I think it's Present 4, not sure, though.

[Proxima]

Correct. (It isn't 4, but I didn't ask for the level number.)

Your turn!

[Jazzem]

Erm, Insane Steve?

[chaos_defrost]

Whoops.

Anyways, here's a question:

The 6th to last level of Lemmings and the 6th to last level of Oh No! More Lemmings have a rather interesting quality in common. What is it?

[Leviathan]

I guess it's the fact that they both have a time limit of 1 minute

[tseug]

6th to last are Mayhem 25 and Havoc 15. That was a good one, they do have something in common.

[LemSteven]

Mayhem 25: "Have a nice day"
Havoc 15: "Have an ice day"

Their titles are almost exactly the same.

Q: Name one of the two levels in the original Lemmings in which it is not possible in any way to exhaust your skill supply.

[ccexplore]

Fun 22: Nightmare on Lem Street.  You have 20 climbers & floaters but only 2 lemmings.

Don't know the other one.

Question: name all five 1-minute levels in Lemmings

(sorry but I'm out of inspiration at this moment)

[ccexplore]

Don't know the other one.

Ok now I remember the other one ([highlight]hint: study of lemmings[/highlight]), although I still have to check to ascetain that the number of climbers/floaters given exceeds the number of lemmings.

[Proxima]

Just a Minute
Just a Minute (Part Two)
All or Nothing
It's hero time
The Crossroads

Q: Name all five Lemmings (Amiga) levels that can be passed with just one usage of a skill.

[chaos_defrost]

Let's see. Assuming you don't count the bugged WAFD levels...

Just Dig (Fun 1)
Fun 2 (forgot the name. Floater skill tutorial)
Not as complicated as it looks (Fun 8)
As long as you try your best (Fun 9)
Smile if you love Lemmings (Fun 10, use digger and RR change)

[Proxima]

You still haven't learned to set a new question when you answer an old one.  

And although you got the numbers of the five levels right, I asked for the names, so as your punishment for not setting a new question, if anyone else can fill in the missing name of Fun 2 before you get to it, they can take over!

[ccexplore]

You still haven't learned to set a new question when you answer an old one. &#A0;

And although you got the numbers of the five levels right, I asked for the names, so as your punishment for not setting a new question, if anyone else can fill in the missing name of Fun 2 before you get to it, they can take over!

You know, I'm not sure if Insane Steve really considers that as punishment.

Anyhow, name of Fun 2 is "Only Floaters can Survive This".

Ok, my question:

In (Amiga) Lemmings, there are 3 pairs of consecutive levels with the following properties:

1) Both levels in the pair are in the same rating.
2) Both levels in the pair are repeated in the same later (harder) rating.
3) The repeats themselves are consecutive levels, in the same order.

Name one such pair (I'm being kind ), identifying names of both instances of the 2 levels.

[ccexplore]

In (Amiga) Lemmings, there are 3 pairs of consecutive levels with the following properties:

Whoops, I meant 4, not 3.

[Proxima]

4 Tricky "Here's one I prepared earlier"
5 Tricky "Careless clicking costs lives"
7 Taxing "Every lemming for himself!!!"
8 Taxing "The Art Gallery"

Q: Which level of Amiga Lemmings is furthest away from its repeat? And which level is closest?
(Hint: the answer to the second part is not the levels I just mentioned.)

[chaos_defrost]

Furthest, I think, is Mayhem 20 (No added colours or lemmings), Away from Fun 4 (A task for miners and climbers).

Closest... Is a bit harder. Running mentally through the levels, I think the answer is some WAFD level. ... I think the two closest are WAFD Taxing (Taxing 30) and WAFD Mayhem (Mayhem... 11?).

That said, I am unsure of the latter (or if you count the WAFD levels in that assessment), so I'ma wait for confirmation of how correct it is before I pose a question.

[Proxima]

Entirely correct (though I think, if I remember rightly, that on the Mac version at least, the Mayhem WAFD is coded as a copy of the Tricky one, and the Taxing one of the Fun one.... but that's only something you'd know by hacking into the game, so for the purposes of the question you may ignore it!)

I was hoping someone would try to answer with Mayhem 16 and Mayhem 27 -- they're just as close (11 levels apart) but aren't strictly "repeats" &#A0; &#A0;but you managed to avoid falling into that trap.

[chaos_defrost]

I ran backwards through the Mayhem set (To figure out the longest part) and never did I think of Just a Minute 2 vs. Just a Minute 1. Then again, I know about the difference: It ruined my orginal solution to the first Just a Minute.

Ok, new question:

Not counting the WAFD levels, there are (I believe) 4 levels in Amiga Lemmings that require you to use every task given to you in order to pass the level. None of these are in the Taxing set -- name at least one of these levels in each of the other three sets.

[ccexplore]

Fun: Now Use Miners and Climbers (1 miner, 10 climbers)
Tricky: Diet Lemmingaid (2 exploders)
Mayhem: All or Nothing (3 bashers)

Don't remember the other one at the moment.

next question:

There are 3 levels in (Amiga) Lemmings which have the same music as their repeats in a later rating. &#A0;Name one such level (name both the earlier and later instance).

(Note: in Amiga Lemmings, the music repeats strictly in a cycle of 17 songs, unaffected by the special graphics levels. &#A0;So if Fun 21 is music #5, Fun 23 is music #7 despite Fun 22 having its own special music)

[Shvegait]

Not counting the WAFD levels,

I'm not sure you even needed this qualifier.

The fourth level is (of course!) "No added colours or Lemmings" (Mayhem 20). Interesting that it's the repeat of another level that fits the description.

[ccexplore]

The fourth level is (of course!) "No added colours or Lemmings" (Mayhem 20)

Hmm, actually, I'm starting to think that level might conceivably be solvable without using all given skills. &#A0;I'm at work right now though so I'll have to wait about 6+ hours to try it out on the Amiga emulator (the solution, if possible, is not Amiga-specific; I just don't have anything at work and Steve did say Amiga lemmings).

[Proxima]

From the condition, it's obvious that for levels to have the same music they must be a multiple of 17 levels apart. So, one example is 6 Tricky (Lemmingology) and 10 Taxing (Izzy Wizzy Lemmings Get Busy), which are 34 levels apart.

Not counting the WAFD levels,

I'm not sure you even needed this qualifier.

He didn't.

Which brings me on to my question: Describe how to pass the "Fun" WAFD using at most 10 diggers. (If you know how to do it in fewer, even better, but "Play the version where they can survive the fall anyway" does not count -- I want a solution that works on any version.)

[ccexplore]

I want a solution that works on any version.)

Technically what you said is impossible due to the NES version.  In the NES version, the digger does not dig down in a gradual, pixel-row-by-pixel-row manner, so a walker always fall either from the top or bottom of the platform, not in between.  Of course, in the NES version of Fun WAFD, you're given all sorts of other skills so you don't even need diggers, but a solution that works on "any" version will necessarily have to be restricted to diggers only.

So let's modify the question slightly and say, um, "a solution that works on any version with 'normal' (ie. Amiga-like) game mechanics".

[Proxima]

All right  ;D

[Jazzem]

Increase the release rate to the extent that there is a slight gap between each lemming. When they get fairly far on the platform (Possibly to the edge to be on the very safe side), start from the right making every one in two lemmings dig. The non-digging lemmings will land on the digger's work, but as they begin to walk they'll fall as the platform gives way.

It's actually possible with only five or so, but from what I've seen it is just a case of setting the RR to 99 and making random lemmings dig.

Anyway, I've had enough of these level questions (Variety guys ), so let's change it all just that little bit.

Q.What was the earliest Lemmings game to be released which could be played without a mouse?

[ccexplore]

I know the PC (DOS) version can be played w/o a mouse.  I'm not sure about the Amiga and Atari ST version.  I also know the release order for those 3 is Amiga first, then Atari ST then PC.  I would guess Atari ST is the answer?

[ccexplore]

Actually, let me revise my guess to "Amiga" instead.  Surely Amiga Lemmings would support a joystick-only configuration at the least?

[Proxima]

To make things clearer, I don't count that as an acceptable answer to my question since you didn't specify a precise release rate that works.

[ccexplore]

Well, your question just says "describe", so who's to know you want an actual release rate.

I'll answer for Jazzem.  RR 35 should suffice.  I'm purposely picking a low RR because some versions don't let you change the RR instantaneously, and I'm try to fit Jazzem's description which seems to only adjust the RR once at the beginning.

[Proxima]

Well, when I ask for a solution to a Lemmings level, whether I use "describe" or some other verb, it should be clear that an adequate answer is one that gives me enough information to solve the level.

35 does work, and you answered Jazzem's question too, so it's your turn  

[ccexplore]

I'm waiting for Jazzem to confirm whether my answer is correct or not.  I also need to think up a question.

[Jazzem]

No, you are right cce. Fire away.

Ahrib, sorry about the lack of the RR, I thought that was fairly clear enough. At least we know for future reference.

[ccexplore]

Question:

Give a version of Lemmings 2 for which the music for the Classics Tribe is not a remix of Lemmings 1 tunes.

[ccexplore]

The fourth level is (of course!) "No added colours or Lemmings" (Mayhem 20)

Hmm, actually, I'm starting to think that level might conceivably be solvable without using all given skills. &#A0;I'm at work right now though so I'll have to wait about 6+ hours to try it out on the Amiga emulator (the solution, if possible, is not Amiga-specific; I just don't have anything at work and Steve did say Amiga lemmings).

After some sketching and trying out on the Amiga emulator last night, I was unable to find an alternate solution for the level that would work on the Amiga, so looks like the correct answer to Insane Steve's question will remain unchanged.

[ccexplore]

Question:

Give a version of Lemmings 2 for which the music for the Classics Tribe is not a remix of Lemmings 1 tunes.

Did I kill the topic again with a too-hard question?

I'll come up with another question sometime tomorrow if no one answers it.

[Jazzem]

I'm going to try and make a very wild guess.

Game Boy version?

[ccexplore]

I'm going to try and make a very wild guess.

Game Boy version?

I checked and no, the GameBoy version actually has more or less the Amiga version's music.

[Jazzem]

Ah well, that singles out one possibility

[Adam]

My memory is poor at the best of times BUT isn't it the SNES version?

[ccexplore]

Nope.  Although the SNES version does indeed have different music for the Classics Tribe than the Amiga, the SNES version is still based off of Lemming 1 (namely, track 13 in the jukebox).

[ccexplore]

Question:

Give a version of Lemmings 2 for which the music for the Classics Tribe is not a remix of Lemmings 1 tunes.

Did I kill the topic again with a too-hard question?

I'll come up with another question sometime tomorrow if no one answers it.

Ok, I thought of another question, hopefully much easier (to know and to guess), which has the same answer as the answer I am thinking for the old question above.  So I'll phrase my new question as follows:

Give a version of Lemmings 1 for which there are more than 21 possible music for the levels (so music outside the levels do not count).  Restrict answers to those platforms that also have a port of Lemmings 2.

[Proxima]

Sega Megadrive / Genesis; 17 standard tunes plus five, not four as on other versions, specials.

Q: Which of the deadly traps appears on the most levels in the Amiga game?

[ccexplore]

guess #1:  the fire pit trap first seen in Fun 18

[Jazzem]

Guess #2: The fire shooting machine first seen "A Task for blockers and bombers".

Wait, wouldn't traps include the liquids?

[Proxima]

Jazzem is correct, and no, liquids are not included.

(Looks like I'm showing my Cheapo bias; I meant "traps" to mean just the ones that can only kill one lemming at a time, because the others are classed as "fire" objects, but I didn't specify that in the question. Oh well, there's always a next time........)

[Jazzem]

Righty-o then.

Q.Not including the PSP version (Obviously due to it not being out yet), what is the latest version of Lemmings released with no ONML content at all?

[ccexplore]

Whoops I misread the question, I was counting total occurrences when Ahribar asked for number of levels the trap is featured in.

(Though turns out I'm close.  Coal pits 13, fire shooters 14. )

[Jazzem]

Ooh dear, another too hard question?

Don't think along the lines of SNES or Game Boy. And it's more recent then you might think...

Oh, and obviously it's only offical releases, no fan stuff.

[ccexplore]

Well I distinctly remember two recent versions that were discussed at some point on this very forum:  DHTML and mobile phone.  DHTML is fan-made though so I guess it'd be mobile phone.

But I don't actually know whether or not the mobile phone version lacks ONML content.

[Jazzem]

Correct, no ONML content in there.

Your turn!

[ccexplore]

Question:

The fast forward feature of Lemmings 2 originated from which version of Lemmings?

[Jazzem]

Unlucky for you I've read Mike's feature on the making of Lemmings

That would be the arcade version.

Q.What two Amiga magazines voted Lemmings game of the year at the time of release?

[Jazzem]

Double post ahoy, but too hard a question?

May want to google some pictures

[ccexplore]

I know the wikipedia entry for Lemmings mentioned the answer to your question but I don't remember what it said.

[Isu 2006]

No need! I have the original box here.

Info Mag and Amiga World. Both are American.

What version(s) of Lemmings 2 had a save feature?

Not too difficult, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

[ccexplore]

What version(s) of Lemmings 2 had a save feature?

Not too difficult, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

This can be hard when you aren't sure whether you even know all theversions of Lemmings 2 out there!

I know for sure that Amiga, PC, and SNES versions have the save feature.  I know the Sega can't because the standard Sega catridge has no support for battery-backed SRAM like SNES has (and in fact I remember it uses passwords in place of saves).  I would guess this carries over for Sega Mega-CD.  Likewise for GameBoy.  I don't even know for sure whether Atari ST is a computer or a console, and I know absolutely nothing about Archimedes Acorn.

[Jazzem]

What version(s) of Lemmings 2 had a save feature?

Not too difficult, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

This can be hard when you aren't sure whether you even know all theversions of Lemmings 2 out there!

I know for sure that Amiga, PC, and SNES versions have the save feature.  I know the Sega can't because the standard Sega catridge has no support for battery-backed SRAM like SNES has (and in fact I remember it uses passwords in place of saves).  I would guess this carries over for Sega Mega-CD.  Likewise for GameBoy.  I don't even know for sure whether Atari ST is a computer or a console, and I know absolutely nothing about Archimedes Acorn.

Well a good place to start is to switch "Archimedes" with "Acorn"

I'm a little confused though, how would Lemmings 2 work with a password system? You've got the various tribes, and not to mention the amount of lemmings that are carried over...

[ccexplore]

I'm a little confused though, how would Lemmings 2 work with a password system? You've got the various tribes, and not to mention the amount of lemmings that are carried over...

If I recall correctly, the passwords are tribe-specific, and the password opens up levels 1 thru X of tribe Y with so-and-so many lemmings left.

Or maybe it's just a password given to you when you complete all 10 levels, so the next time you can usethe password to unlock all 10 levels.  I really don't remember since I always use emulator savestates instead.  I'll have to replay that version and see.  It most likely doesn't retain as much info as you'd like.

[ccexplore]

I just looked up the codes for Genesis Lemmings 2 on Gamefaqs and it looks like they are simply a password to unlock all 10 levels of a tribe, for each of the 12 tribes. &#A0;So there is no save in terms of your performance on individual levels.

But note this: &#A0;a password on that version is 22 letters long! &#A0;Even if we assume for ease of programming that each letter is only 16 possibilities, you still end up with more than 3*10^22 (3 with 22 trailing zeros) combos! &#A0;In contrast, with 60 lemmings and 10 levels, even a naive bound of 61^10 is only about 7*10^17 (7 with 17 trailing zeros). &#A0;(The bound is just combo of 10 numbers from 0 to 60, which is a gross overestimate because most combos will add up to more than 60.) &#A0;This means a random guess would only hit a valid password roughly 1 out 50000 times. &#A0;In short, even though the Genesis doesn't seem to support it, it is probably quite possible to come up with a simple-to-compute (for the computer) and "secure" password system that would serve as a save for your performance on a particular tribe.

[ccexplore]

But note this: &#A0;a password on that version is 22 letters long! &#A0;Even if we assume for ease of programming that each letter is only 16 possibilities, you still end up with more than 3*10^22 (3 with 22 trailing zeros) combos!

(oops, a minor typo, it's 3*10^26 rather than 22.)

[ccexplore]

Also, now that I think of it, there's no reason to restrict to 16 rather than 26 letters, which only vastly expands the total number of possible passwords.  It might be helpful for programming to assume that the performance combo is 64^10 instead of 61^10, but the slightly increase there is obviously outdone by going to 26 letters.

[DragonsLover]

Q. In the SNES version of Lemmings 2, what are the two skills that are on the Practice skills selection menu that appear twice ?

[Jazzem]

Jazzem to the thread rescue!

Runner and Planter.

Q. Name all the sega consoles that have recieved a lemmings game.

[LemSteven]

I know Sega Master System and Sega Genesis have Lemmings games.  Beyond that, I have no idea.  Are there any others?

[Proxima]

MegaDrive, of course (same as the Genesis version of the game)

[Jazzem]

You'll need three more LemSteven.

May want to search through the thread for one of them

[LemSteven]

You'll need three more LemSteven.

May want to search through the thread for one of them

I figured them out, but I had to look on Wikipedia for the answers.  Unless everybody is stuck, I'll let somebody else supply the rest of the answers.

[Leviathan]

Generally I'm very bad in knowledge about different consoles and stuff like that

[Jazzem]

You may have to say lemsteven.

One more clue-Remember when I say "Lemmings" games instead of the original lemmings... May want to go to the latter games of the series.

[LemSteven]

Okay, since nobody else got it, here's the answers:

Sega Master System, Sega Genesis (Mega Drive), Sega Saturn, Game Gear, and Mega CD.

I'll post an easier question since I had to look up the answer:

Q: The music for the Polar Tribe in Lemmings 2: The Tribes is a medley of what two songs?

[ccexplore]

Q: The music for the Polar Tribe in Lemmings 2: The Tribes is a medley of what two songs?

LOL, I didn't even realize it was 2 songs until you bring up this question.

The first part would be Rudolph the Red-Nose Reindeer, the second part Frosty the Snow Man

I want to ask this next question:

The tune from Lemmings that is track 16 in the jukebox consists of excerpts from 3 different songs.  Named them.

Unfortunately, I can't answer that question myself.  I can recognize the 3 different songs but don't actually know what they are called.  So instead a simplified version of the question:

One of the excerpts in the tune is commonly used in real life for something.  Identify that "something".

[chaos_defrost]

Well, one of them is the Itsy Bitsy Spider, which is commonly used in kindergarden circles as a sing-a-long song. &#A0;:

Ok, ok, I assume you wanted the song they play during the weddings when the bride walks down the aisle.

I know the third excerpt, but cannot put a name to it.

Ok, question It's easy if you look it up, but try not to. (It will be a level question because I care not about different versions and the like.)

Name the second to last level of ONML that uses the Bubble set (#8 in LemEdit). Number and name, please. Thanks.

[Proxima]

Actually, the main theme of #16 is "Ten Green Bottles", not "The Itsy Bitsy Spider" (or Incey Wincey, as we call it this side of the pond). The second one is, as Insane Steve said, the Bridal Chorus from Lohengrin. No idea about the third.

For Insane Steve's question: 3 Havoc "It's the price you have to pay". (The last of all is "Flow Control". And I didn't look it up.)

Q: Which one (name and number please) of the Genesis/Megadrive unique levels has the same title as an Amiga Lemmings level with a different layout?

[ccexplore]

Ok, ok, I assume you wanted the song they play during the weddings when the bride walks down the aisle.

I know the third excerpt, but cannot put a name to it.

For some reason both you and Ahribar place the wedding theme (yes that was what I was looking for) as the second, when in fact it's the third.

The 3 excerpts I had in mind are, in order of appearance (only first few measures included in MIDI for each exceprt):

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/track16_excerpt1.mid
http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/track16_excerpt2.mid
http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/track16_excerpt3.mid

The way the Lemmings arrangement goes is 1-1-2-3-1-1.

I unfortunately don't know the answer to Ahribar's question, sorry for this interruption.

[Proxima]

For some reason both you and Ahribar place the wedding theme (yes that was what I was looking for) as the second, when in fact it's the third.

Ah..... I hadn't recognised that as being a separate "theme" from the Bridal Chorus, which was silly of me. What I meant by the third part was the bit right at the end when it just goes oom-pah oom-pah oom-pah..... but on second listen that's not a new theme, that's Ten Green Bottles stripped of its characteristic rhythm.

[Leviathan]

For some reason that tune reminds me more about a funeral than a wedding :-/

[ccexplore]

Maybe because in actual weddings the tune is generally played with an organ, and organ tends to remind people of funerals. &#A0;Still, I find it hard to imagine the bridal song being played in a funeralathe tune is not somber enough.

For reference, here's what the bridal song would sound like in real life:

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/wedding.mid

[ccexplore]

The forum seems a little buggy, let's try again:

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/wedding.mid
.

[ccexplore]

Still, I find it hard to imagine the bridal song being played in a funeralathe tune is not somber enough.

Although, making the key minor instead of major seems to help a little.

Here's a version of the bridal chorus that is a little more funereal.  Maybe.

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/funeral.mid

Perhaps that's what the groom hears in his head, as it sinks in that his wild bachelor days are, well, deceased.

[ccexplore]

Hmm, some problems with that MIDI, try this instead:

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/funeral2.mid

Ok, I promise no more interruptions, back to Lemmings quizzing!

[tseug]

The other excerpt is actually a funeral march.

I only know the name of the level, so I can't answer ahribar's question.

[Proxima]

OK. If no-one else answers, the name on its own will do.

[tseug]

"Lemmings in the attic"

What is the fastest non constant trap? (Out of sets 1-8) And how many frames does it last?

EDIT: A bit harder.

[Leviathan]

If I recall right it's the demolecularizer with 8 frames

[ccexplore]

Who the heck actually remembers how many frames any of the traps last?!?

I'd guess the lizard traps in the "rock and grass" set, the action seems almost instantaneous.  I'd make a wild guess of 8 frames?

[ccexplore]

I'll throw in another guess here so I can go look up the answer after posting this.

The spike traps in the Columns set as seen in Taxing 4 seems like a good candidate.  I'll again make a guess of 8 frames.

For reference, 8 frames is the amount of time between the digger's strokes.

[Proxima]

Who the heck actually remembers how many frames any of the traps last?!?

Well, I do; it's hard not to after all the work I did sequencing them for my Cheapo styles! Trouble is, the ONML ones were done for me in Pete's styles but I'm not 100% sure he kept the same number of frames. If he did, the answer is the lizard trap (5 frames) followed by the spike trap (7 frames).

Q: Many of the Genesis unique levels come in pairs re-using the same terrain. But which is the only pair that use *nearly* the same terrain, but there's a slight change?
(Since number and name proved too hard last time, name alone will do, but you must give the correct name of both levels.)

[ccexplore]

Well, I do; it's hard not to after all the work I did sequencing them for my Cheapo styles!

Come to think of it, how did you figure out the number of frames?  After all you said LemEdit doesn't work on your PC......

Or does ResEdit in Mac reveal all?

[Leviathan]

Who the heck actually remembers how many frames any of the traps last?!?

Well, I do; it's hard not to after all the work I did sequencing them for my Cheapo styles! Trouble is, the ONML ones were done for me in Pete's styles but I'm not 100% sure he kept the same number of frames. If he did, the answer is the lizard trap (5 frames) followed by the spike trap (7 frames).

Q: Many of the Genesis unique levels come in pairs re-using the same terrain. But which is the only pair that use *nearly* the same terrain, but there's a slight change?
(Since number and name proved too hard last time, name alone will do, but you must give the correct name of both levels.)

There are at least 2 such pairs I know of...to name 1 pair,it's FANL and FANL2...not difficult to know after redesigning both levels and having trouble with the key piece

To give exact names of the levels:
-Fall and no life.
-Fall and no life (part 2)

Q: What is the other pair that has a small terrain change?

[Proxima]

Oh, of course    And I know the answer to your question, but it's really my question so I'll leave it for someone else.......

[tseug]

Ahribar got it. It's the lizard trap in set 6 with 5 frames.

[DragonsLover]

Q. In the Lemmings Jukebox, in which song there's a part of the "Cowboy classic" song of two cowboys that are each in front of the other for a fight? Ya know what I mean?

[Jazzem]

Track 14. *sniff* I love that tune, so many memories...

Q.What was the only stand-alone (w/o the original Lemmings) version of ONML to feature completely different box art?

[tseug]

What happened to levi's quetion? I only know the name and number of one, and nothing about the other.

[Jazzem]

!

I didn't notice, Dragonslover forgot to answer! I guess the next person will have to answer my/levi's questions.

[ccexplore]

I didn't notice, Dragonslover forgot to answer!

Has he ever answered anything? This is at least the second time he cut in with only a question.

I'm still wondering how Ahribar got the graphics for the interactive objects without using LemEdit.

I wish I can answer the question but I'm just not familiar enough with the Genesis version.

[Proxima]

Trade secret  :

[DragonsLover]

Nope, I didn't answer. Sorry, I've skipped this question.

[Proxima]

OK..... anyone else? Even partial information?

(If you can't be bothered looking back, the question was: which two levels unique to the Genesis/MD version form a repeated terrain pair but with a slight alteration to the terrain layout, other than the two "Fall and No Life" levels?)

[tseug]

One of them is Taxing 2: temporary peace

I guess I should set a new question:
Which non-constant traps work on lemmings with no ground under their feet?

[ccexplore]

I guess I should set a new question:
Which non-constant traps work on lemmings with no ground under their feet?

[smiley=huh.gif] I was under the impression that all traps will activate as long as the lemming enters the relevant trigger area, walking or otherwise?

In any case, I'm quite certain there is no difference in how the game treats the various forms of a non-constant trap (ie. the ones that's harmless to other lemmings while operating on a victim); they differ purely in the graphics.  So the answer would have to be either all of them or none of them.

[tseug]

Some of them are different. And constant traps are different, the lemming is technically still there while the animation is playing. On non-constant traps the lemming is removed as soon as the animation starts.

Maybe the number would help? I'll go count again to make sure I have it right.

EDIT: Some traps have trigger areas only 4 pixels wide. I missed a few, cce may be right.

EDIT2: cce is right, just ignore that question. The problem was that objects are aligned to multiples of 8, so some of them missed. An interesting thing I discovered though is that the trigger area for all non-constant traps is 4 pixles wide. I think it's also 4 pixels high.

[Leviathan]

I tried saving a drowning lemming by putting the exit in the drowner's path but it seems to fail...

With non-constant traps,the lemming is removed instantly,the lem you see "frying" or so,is an animation and not a real lem.

However with constant traps (also water/lava/acid/tentacles) the real lemming is still there and does unusual stuff.
And this is what intrigues me a lot...there are also several other "unusual" behaviors of lemmings:
-Jumper (no skill can be distributed I guess except bomber)
-Oh-no-er (behaves very strangely,especially when he enters the exit while oh-no-ing)
-Splatter (the lem also remains for a little while)
-Faller (can be turned around by blocker)
-Shrugger (I know in certain versions this can trigger really strange behavior)

After all this,I wonder in which situations a lem can be saved and/or cause abnormal/glitchy behavior...

One other thin that seems strange to me is that interactive objects have a trigger area but exits don't work when there's no terrain under them...

[ccexplore]

An interesting thing I discovered though is that the trigger area for all non-constant traps is 4 pixels wide. I think it's also 4 pixels high.

No, I remember the electrode trap used in "Rhapsody in Blue" has a height of 8 for the trigger area.  And I would think the spike traps in Taxing 4 probably has a height that's closer to the graphical height of the trap than only 4 pixels.

I don't remember the width, but I seem to remember the electrode trap trigger area's height is also 8.

It's true though that the minimum possible trigger area is 4x4, just like steel areas.  So it makes sense that many non-constant traps will have trigger areas of that size.

[ccexplore]

I tried saving a drowning lemming by putting the exit in the drowner's path but it seems to fail...

Although I'm not 100% positive off top of my head, I'm fairly confident that you cannot save a drowning lemming.

I believe I mention some time ago that when trigger areas overlap, the one with the highest z-order lower than 16 "wins" the overlap.  In other words, the trigger area with the highest z-order below 16 overwrites other trigger areas in the overlap.

I'm also somewhat certain that the game will not drift a drowning lemming to a location that is non-water, for obvious reasons.

So you have a catch-22.  If you want the lemming to drift to the location with the exit's trigger area, you would need to have water in that area, but then the water would overwrite the exit's trigger area, basically erasing the exit.

[ccexplore]

Having pointed out that DragonsLover doesn't always answer questions, I'm going to be hypocritical now and step in to replace tseug's withdrawn question :

In Genesis Lemmings, there are 2 pairs of levels such that:

1) One level's title names the level as "part 2" of the other level.
2) The "part 2" level precedes the other level in the natural ordering (ie. ascending rating then number).

Name the levels in each of the two pairs.

Hint:  criteria #1 specifically concerns only the title.  The levels are not necessarily similar......

[Leviathan]

I tried saving a drowning lemming by putting the exit in the drowner's path but it seems to fail...

Although I'm not 100% positive off top of my head, I'm fairly confident that you cannot save a drowning lemming.

I believe I mention some time ago that when trigger areas overlap, the one with the highest z-order lower than 16 "wins" the overlap. &#A0;In other words, the trigger area with the highest z-order below 16 overwrites other trigger areas in the overlap.

I'm also somewhat certain that the game will not drift a drowning lemming to a location that is non-water, for obvious reasons.

So you have a catch-22. &#A0;If you want the lemming to drift to the location with the exit's trigger area, you would need to have water in that area, but then the water would overwrite the exit's trigger area, basically erasing the exit.

I've noticed some drowners drifting outside water objects (air) I think,but I certainly saw a drifter bouncing back when he hit a wall.

What would happen if I set the Z order from the exit to 0 and that of the water to 1,hence having the exit trigger area overlapping some parts of the water?

[ccexplore]

The part of the exit's trigger area that overlaps with the water's will be overwritten by the water (since the water has the higher z).  So this is exactly like what I said above, you won't have an exit trigger area for the lemming to drift to.

In the reverse case, it should be the case that the lemming will not drift past the exit's trigger area.  It's possible that graphically the lemming might look to have reached the trigger area (ie. some of the observed motion is in the animation rather than explicitly repositioning the lemming), but that would just be graphical.

Try it out and see what happens.  As I said, I'm not 100% sure.

[ccexplore]

I've noticed some drowners drifting outside water objects (air) I think,but I certainly saw a drifter bouncing back when he hit a wall.

I did some quick experiment and it looks like you're right, drowners can drift outside water objects into air.  But no luck in getting it to exit, or for that matter, in getting it to interact with anything it seems.  Maybe the game just doesn't let drowners interact with anything.

[Proxima]

Getting back to the quiz:

In Genesis Lemmings, there are 2 pairs of levels such that:

1) One level's title names the level as "part 2" of the other level.
2) The "part 2" level precedes the other level in the natural ordering (ie. ascending rating then number).

Name the levels in each of the two pairs.

Libra and Watch right or left.

Q: Describe in words how to pass Genesis Present 27 with no builders.

[ccexplore]

Libra and Watch right or left.

I believe the second answer is incorrect.  Either that, or there are actually 3 pairs.  I unfortunately don't have Genesis lemmings at hand right now to check.  Your incorrect/unintended answer is close though.

[Proxima]

No, it looks like I'm wrong.

I checked my own list of levels that I made while playing, and Present 13 is called "Watch your step (Part Two)". Annoyingly, Planet Lemmings just gives it as "Watch your step".

Does that count now, since I got the answer from my own list and not from a website, even though I did have to look at a website to check?    If so I will ask my question now.

[ccexplore]

Sure ok, it counts.  On with your question.

[Leviathan]

Q: Describe in words how to pass Genesis Present 27 with no builders.

Set up a blocker and have a lemming climb up.Let him dig down at a certain point,so that he digs away the terrain left to the exit too (leave a few pixels).Then when he's little below the level of the other lemmings have him mine (he would turn around and remove the pixels),then bash towards the left.

I haven't actually tried it but it seems the way to do it after looking at the picture from Lemmings Planet.

Q: Which trap is never used in Lemmings 1?

[Proxima]

Very clever; I think that would work, though it can be done ever more simply by digging when the climber is facing left, then bashing when he reaches the level of the other lemmings.

The one trap that is never used is the knife slicer trap on the crystal graphics set.

Q: Which of the Lemmings 1 traps uses the most frames in its animation?

[ccexplore]

Q: Which of the Lemmings 1 traps uses the most frames in its animation?

Well, I'm glad you didn't ask for the exact number of frames.

I have two guesses.  Let me first guess the rope trap in the columns set.

[Proxima]

Correct.  

[Jazzem]

The one trap that is never used is the knife slicer trap on the crystal graphics set.

!!!

That explains it, I couldn't stop wondering where on earth it was :-?

[ccexplore]

Not too inspired, so here's next question:

In the first "Personal Computer World" show DMA had ever been to, they had arranged for a concept demo of Lemmings to be shown at the Psygnosis stand.  At which location is this show held at?

[tseug]

Q: Which of the Lemmings 1 traps uses the most frames in its animation?

Well, I'm glad you didn't ask for the exact number of frames.

37  : I didn't have to look that up.

[Proxima]

No need to show off    I knew that too, but I didn't want to ask a question only you would be able to answer!