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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2020, 12:17:41 AM »
Some more results.

Lunatic 1 "It's Hero Time!" - 1 builder, 1 basher, 1 miner, 1 digger (replay attached that eliminates all the rest)
Lunatic 2 "It's All A Matter Of Timing" - 10 builders (replay attached)
Lunatic 3 "Anxiety" - 4 builders, 3 miners (replays attached for each)
Lunatic 4 "No Added Colors Or Lemmings" - 2 climbers, 1 blocker, 1 builder, 1 basher, 2 miners
Lunatic 5 "There's Madness In The Method" - 2 climbers, 2 bashers, 2 miners (replay attached for no-builder)
Lunatic 6 "Which One Are You Trying To Get?" - 2 builders (replays attached to eliminate all other skills + for 2 builders)
Lunatic 7 "Down, Along, Up, In That Order" - 4 blockers, 5 builders
Lunatic 8 "Lemming About Town" - 1 climber, 4 builders, 3 miners (replay attached for 4 builders)
Lunatic 9 "Evacuating A Coal Mine" - 1 climber, 2 builders, 2 bashers, 1 miner (replay attached for this but 3 builders; trivial to swap the 3rd builder for extra bashers + miners)
Lunatic 10 "Be More Than Just A Number" - 9 builders, 1 digger (replays attached for no climbers, no floater, 1 digger)
Lunatic 11 "Fix The Road, Quick!" - 8 builders (replay attached)
Lunatic 12 "Water Processing Plant" - 7 builders, 1 basher, 1 miner (replay attached for no-floater; you can trivially use the floater to save a miner)
Lunatic 13 "This Corrosion" - 1 climber, 8 builders, 1 basher (replays attached for 1 basher, no diggers)
Lunatic 14 "Move On In Two Seperate Groups" - 5 builders, 3 bashers (replays attached for all of this, including no-blocker)
Lunatic 15 "Evil Whisper" - 1 basher, 1 miner (replays attached for no-builder, 1 miner, no-diggers)
Lunatic 16 "Sega Four" - 3 builders (replays attached for no climbers, no blockers, 3 builders, no diggers)
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2020, 12:21:50 AM »
I didn't contribute majorly today, as namida and DireKrow started while I was having dinner :P but here are replays for SEGA Four no-bashers and no-miners.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2020, 01:03:18 AM »
I'll post the overall results later (if no one else does first), but here's my replays from today's session.

This is a list of my replays, not a list of results.

Lunatic 17 "Creature Discomforts" - 5 builders; No bashers
Lunatic 18 "Scaling the Heights" - No climbers
Lunatic 20 "No Hurry, Relax" - 3 builders
Lunatic 21 "The Steel Mines Of Kessel" - 2 builders
Lunatic 22 "Hello John! Got A New Lemming?" - 6 floaters
Lunatic 24 "Everyone's A Hard Nut" - 1 basher
Lunatic 28 "Lemmings In A Situation" - No Climber; No Blocker; No Floater + 7 Builders (this 7 builders cannot be reproduced on DOS - I tried)
Lunatic 29 "Save Me" - 4 blockers; 11 builders; no bashers
Lunatic 30 "Lemmings' Ark" - 1 Climber; 1 Miner
Lunatic 31 "I Am A.T." - 8 diggers
Lunatic 32 "Fall and No Life (Part 2)" - 4 bashers
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2020, 01:42:25 AM »
Great to have a full set of results for the pack :thumbsup: There are still a couple of levels that should be given another look, because we felt the results were probably improvable but would require a lot of fiddling about -- "Just a Minute" and "It's all a matter of timing" in particular. Anyhow, these are our results for the last 16 levels:

17 "Creature Discomforts" - 5 builders
18 "Scaling the Heights" - 2 builders (DireKrow's result; improves on the DOS result but we haven't tested this on DOS yet)
19 "Private room available" - 1 builder, 2 bashers, 19 diggers
20 "No hurry, relax" - 1 climber, 1 floater, 3 builders, 7 bashers
21 "The Steel Mines of Kessel" - 5 bombers, 2 builders
22 "Hello John! Got a New Lemming?" - 1 climber, 6 floaters, 2 builders, 4 bashers
23 "The Great Lemming Caper" - 2 builders
24 "Everyone's a hard nut" - 2 builders, 1 basher
25 "Watch right or left (Part Two)" - 1 bomber, 1 builder, 1 basher
26 "Final impediment" - 9 builders
27 "Let's go camping." - 1 floater, 1 blocker, 7 builders, 3 bashers
28 "Lemmings in a situation" - 7 builders, 1 digger
29 "Save Me" - 4 blockers, 11 builders, 1 digger
30 "Lemmings' Ark" - 1 climber, 4 builders, 1 miner, 1 digger
31 "I am A.T." - 8 diggers
32 "Fall and no life (Part Two)" - 1 floater, 5 builders, 4 bashers, 1 miner

Replays will be posted soon.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2020, 03:06:41 AM »
The Scaling the Heights 2 builder replay for reference:
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2020, 11:22:19 AM »
Here are my interesting replays from the session. The set contains:

* Creature Discomforts, no climbers
* Scaling the Heights, no blocker and no miner
* Private room available, 19 diggers (for those wondering, the level has 10 lemmings, not 20 as on Genesis!)
* The Steel Mines of Kessel, 5 bombers
* Hello John! Got a New Lemming?, 4 bashers and no digger
* The Great Lemming Caper, no basher and no climber
* Everyone's a hard nut, 2 builders
* Final impediment, 9 builders, no floater, no blocker (the latter two in one replay)
* Lemmings in a situation, 1 digger and no basher

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #66 on: March 15, 2020, 06:56:58 PM »
Lunatic 28 "Lemmings in a situation", LemSteven's no-digger result for DOS also works here.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2020, 03:31:08 AM »
And another cross-referenced result: MASTER-88's 29 diggers on SNES Sunsoft 3 (the same level as "Private room available") has enabled me to reduce the NL result to 11 diggers. (Again, the drastic difference is because the NL level has 10 fewer lemmings than the SNES and Genesis versions.)
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2020, 11:45:25 PM »
DireKrow, namida and I started to look at MazuLems today. Here's what we have so far:

1 "A Giant Leap for Lemmingkind" - 2 climbers, 3 blockers, 4 builders, 1 basher
2 "Stairway to Heaven" - 4 bashers, 2 diggers
3 "The Pool" - 1 climber, 5 builders, 3 bashers, 1 digger
4 "Can You Dig It?" - 1 builder, 2 bashers
5 "Two Minute Warning" - 1 climber, 6 builders
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8 "Achtung Lemming" - 4 builders, 1 basher
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10 "Episode X - The Phantom Exit" - none
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2020, 01:14:37 AM »
Here's my replays for MazuLems 1 & 2. The 2 diggers for MazuLems 2 is also 4-bashers.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2020, 11:17:30 PM »
Redux/Lunatic 15 "Evil whisper": Previous results are invalidated by the new backroute fix. My current result is 1 builder, 1 basher, 2 miners, 1 digger.

Since DireKrow and roundthewheel are both going through the pack at the moment, I want to wait a little longer before I say for absolute certain that the pack is finalised and there will be no more fixes, but I'd say I'm about 99% sure there won't be. Of course there are still lots of alternative and unintended solutions, but that's usually a good thing and what makes challenges like "skills you can't live without" so interesting.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2020, 08:50:28 PM »
Lunatic 27 "Let's go camping": DireKrow found a solution saving one basher, and I was able to modify it to do without the floater.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2020, 05:01:10 AM »
WillLem, DireKrow and I went through the Magical rank of Lemminas today. This is the first new-skills pack we've looked at for this challenge :thumbsup: Our results:

1 "Welcome The Lemminas!" - 3 builders
2 "We Like To Dig Too!" - None
3 "Mind The Gap..." - 3 builders
4 "Lemdon Bridge" - 2 fencers, 1 miner
5 "Lemmina Loop Prevention Service" - None
6 "Just Keep Swimming" - 2 swimmers, 4 fencers
7 "Lemminas Luv M.C. Escher" - 1 basher, 1 cloner
8 "Pyramids Of Lem (Under A PepsiCola Sky)" - 3 builders
9 "Send Them Soaring!" - 4 floaters, 4 gliders
10 "Just Shimmy!" - 3 shimmiers, 1 platformer
11 "I'll Go First..." - 1 shimmier, 2 climbers, 1 disarmer, 2 platformers, 2 bashers
12 "Climbing In The Moonlight" - 1 climber, 2 stackers
13 "Believe In Yourself!" - None
14 "Lemminas Go Forth" - None
15 "Wraparound" - 1 digger
16 "Revenge Of The Ice Cream Monster" - None

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2020, 05:22:36 AM »
And my collection of interesting replays from the session.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2020, 03:42:15 AM »
Results for the first half of Lemminas/Sensational:

1 "Worra Lorra Lemminas!" - 1 walker, 1 floater, 1 platformer, 1 basher, 1 cloner
2 "Dimples" - 2 diggers
3 "Backroute To The Future" - None
4 "Pillars Of Venus" - None
5 "See You On The Other Side" - 1 shimmier, 2 climbers, 1 disarmer, 1 platformer, 2 builders, 3 fencers, 1 miner
6 "Hurry!" - 1 floater, 2 platformers, 2 builders
7 "The Melting Block" - 1 swimmer, 1 disarmer, 2 platformers, 1 fencer, 1 digger
8 "The Continuum" - 1 fencer