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NeoLemmix Level Pack: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wmai4epk4oxusb/Contest_16.zip?dl=1

- Put the folder of the level pack in the "levels" folder of your NeoLemmix Player.

Music: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ps5t0vdrt3ozp00/Contest_16_Music.zip?dl=1

- The music must be put inside the "music" folder of the NeoLemmix player. If the folder doesn't exists, create it.

Non Standard tilesets from nin10doaddict and SQron188 (nessesary for 2 levels inside the NL pack): https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vnbjou260v3klk/Contest_16_Tilesets.zip?dl=1

- Put the tilesets folder into the styles folder of the NL player.


Rule 1 Levels

Colorful Arty's "Spider Attack!" (V5)
IchoTolot's "Trinity Tower" (V2)
SQron188's "Powerplant Faceplant" (V6)

Rule 2 Levels

Colorful Arty's "Sunset Sprint!" (V1)
Crane's "Run!" (V15)
IchoTolot's "2 Minutes Before The Mall Opens" (V1)
Nessy's "How To Self-Destruct A Factory" (V2)
nin10doaddict's "On the fritz" (V1)

Rule 3 Levels

Crane's "Two's company..." (V2)
Nessy's "Butterfly Cult" (V2)
SQron188's "Forest Stroll" (V8)
Proxima's "The Sign of Four" (V1)

You can check the rules details again here: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4041.0

Playing Phase will be closed on 15th of Februrary!
Updates will close on 12th of Februrary!

Note: This topic is for posting your comments, replays, etc for the levels. If you wish to post an update to your level, or enter a late submission, please do so in the Updates Topic instead.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2019, 07:37:55 am by IchoTolot »

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2019, 09:00:47 pm »
I think I backrouted V1 of "How to Self-Destruct a Factory" - I saved 100% - sorry Nessy.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2019, 09:28:38 pm »
And this one too - lots of tools left over.  Also, this is a far more appropriate song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9sz9QzsWXc

Also, a version that saves an extra lemming (very similar to the other solution).

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 11:40:11 pm »
Thanks for playing Crane :)

Your solution to my Rule 2 level is okay... it's meant to be an open-ended level but maybe it's too open-ended. I'm going to make a slight tweak to it.

Both solutions to my Rule 3 level are backroutes :P Should be an easy fix though.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2019, 12:39:14 am »
if possible; I'm planning on streaming the levels/pack on this Thursday around 7:00 PM (12:30 AM UTC)
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2019, 01:54:30 am »
My solution to "2 Minutes Before The Mall Opens!" - I probably made it more difficult than I needed to, since I used some trickery to slow down the crowd leader, when really, I could have just had the pathfinder start closer to the edge and turn around - there's time for him to return.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2019, 02:15:49 am »
Completed "Sunset Sprint!" - that level was actually quite fun.  The music really gives a fun vibe to "hurry up"!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2019, 03:51:12 am »
Completed the Rank 1 levels, "Spider Attack!" (absolutely epic theming and music!), "Trinity Tower" (love the Freedom Planet 'memorial') and "Powerplant Faceplant".

If I had to give a word of warning, I tend to mark down levels if I'm forced to play with Clear Physics permanently enabled.  On some styles, it's almost impossible to work out what's a background object, what is solid terrain and what is steel, for example.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2019, 04:23:02 am »
And "Forest Stroll".

"On the fritz" in Rank 2 is the only one I haven't completed yet.

I've got some stiff competition this time around, it seems!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 05:03:16 am »
Found another backroute in Butterfly Cult.  It's a cute level either way.

I'm currently trying to work out if Self-Destructing a Factory is even possible with just 1 Climber.

Well, it's possible, but the solution is evil!  And you're an evil genius, Nessy!
« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 05:14:27 am by Crane »

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 06:29:33 am »
Completed "On the fritz" - that level was ridiculous, but interesting.

And that's the lot!  This might actually be the first time that I was able to complete every level in the contest.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2019, 07:10:49 am »
So my personal opinions and ratings on the levels.  Try not to take too much to heart if I'm harsh:

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« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 07:35:43 am by Crane »

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 07:43:38 am »
Another solution to "Forest Stroll" - this one feels a bit more intended.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 07:50:28 am »
Here are my solutions for all V1 levels. :)

The videos where I am live solving these will come up from Friday - Sunday.

And trinity tower needs a little fix. ;P

 

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2019, 07:52:00 am »
Hehe, sorry IchoTolot - I've been busy!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2019, 08:16:04 am »
It seems like my 2nd V1 solution to nessy's butterly level still works or is even intended. ;)

Anyway I also attached the new solution to Nessy's R2 level.

Also as you can see in the Version list in the first post: The pack should be updated now.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 08:23:42 am by IchoTolot »

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2019, 09:54:46 pm »
Nice solution to my Rule 2 level Crane! Completely different from my solution, but no less impressive nor difficult. This level is going to have a lot of potential solutions, but I think all of them will be acceptable! :thumbsup:

You definitely backrouted my Rule 1 level. I updated it. ;)
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2019, 10:03:14 pm »
I think this should be another backroute to Arty's R1 level. :P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2019, 10:11:30 pm »
And here should be another backroute to Crane's R2.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2019, 10:47:12 pm »
How's this, Colorful Arty?!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2019, 10:53:40 pm »
Re-solved "Trinity Tower" too.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2019, 11:50:18 pm »
@Crane: I can understand my level not being a favorite, it is a multitasking nightmare. I'm kinda surprised that you thought it the hardest level, though I haven't looked at the other levels yet.
My main purpose with this level was to show off the gear decoration object I cobbled together.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2019, 01:03:38 am »
@Nin10doaddict: Maybe I overcomplicated the solution, I'm not sure.

Solved version 3 of "Spider Attack!" - I also had another solution for V2 that was similar to my first backroute, except to use a couple of builders and a digger to get through the thin wall at the top (instead of climbing over it).

Oh, and Arty... in this world there is no place for people like you; I'll exterminate you with my backroute bite! In my world there is no place for weaklings like you; I'll exterminate you with my backroute bite!
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2019, 07:43:34 am »
Arty's R1 seems at least more intended now. :)

My V2 solution for Crane's R2 still works on V3. Attached it again. Did you post the wrong V3 maybe? ???

And yes that's the intended route for Trinity Tower, Crane. :thumbsup:

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2019, 08:17:35 am »
Hmmm, it seems that I somehow sent a bad save to you, because you're only meant to have one Builder initially, not two.  Still, I'll send V4 in a moment, where I've decided to try something slightly different.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2019, 05:02:28 pm »
This should be another backroute for Crane's R2.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2019, 06:35:17 pm »
Well and V5 still seems not to be the last one. :P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2019, 08:23:07 pm »
V6 won't be the last one as well I think.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2019, 09:17:21 pm »
V7 still doesn't seem to do the trick. :P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2019, 09:36:06 pm »
It won't end with V8 as well.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2019, 09:39:08 pm »
I hate you so much!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2019, 09:56:40 pm »
Last solution for today.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2019, 12:19:40 am »
I feel your pain Crane. This happened to me last time... That's another reason I wanted my level to be somewhat open ended. It ended up getting a bit out of hand, though. :XD:

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2019, 03:47:23 pm »
These are my attempts so far:

Spider Attack!:
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Trinity Tower:
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Sunset Sprint:
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Run!:
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2 Minutes Before The Mall Opens!:
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How To Self-Destruct A Factory:
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On The Fritz:
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Two's Company...:
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Butterfly Cult:
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Edit: Trinity Tower replay added!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2019, 03:53:10 pm »
I hope the solutions are better. At least i've got a good felling that these are a big step in the right direction for Arty's R1 and Crane's R2.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2019, 03:58:14 pm »
@SQron: There is no trinity tower replay attached. Only Rank 2 and 3 as it seems. :P



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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2019, 06:54:37 pm »
@SQron:


"Butterfly Cult" (click to show/hide)

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2019, 07:59:40 pm »
Alright I think SQron's R1 level is fine now, but R3 seems still unintended.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2019, 10:21:27 pm »
Alright I think SQron's R1 level is fine now, but R3 seems still unintended.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2019, 11:25:26 pm »
I'm interested in seeing your solution to "Run!", SQron188, since it was meant to be the harder of my two levels!
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2019, 02:28:43 pm »
I'm interested in seeing your solution to "Run!", SQron188, since it was meant to be the harder of my two levels!

I'm sorry but due to my absent-mindedness I think I solved an earlier update of the level and I'm positive it was a backroute anyway.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2019, 04:52:07 pm »
V4 of SQron's levels are re-solved.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2019, 05:36:16 am »
My solution to V4 of Forest Stroll.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2019, 06:10:57 am »
How's this for an epic backroute, Colorful Arty?!

*sings* It's the... eye of the spider, it's the thrill of the fright!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2019, 06:49:30 am »
Solution for "Powerplant Faceplant".  Not sure if it's intended or not.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2019, 09:36:11 am »
IchoTolot:
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Crane:
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2019, 10:17:43 am »
Redone SQron's V5 levels and I also got a new solution for Crane's R2.


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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2019, 11:52:51 am »
Well, I think that's a step back again in R3. :P

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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2019, 03:27:42 pm »
Well, I think that's a step back again in R3. :P

Powerplant Faceplant:
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Forest Stroll:
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2019, 03:53:40 pm »
Maybe this is it ???


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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2019, 04:45:48 pm »
I feel like this could be it. :)

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2019, 04:51:22 pm »
I feel like this could be it. :)

...and it looks like we have a winner, haha!
The level ended up looking a bit different than the original but here we are anyway.


unless someone comes up and backroutes either of them again...

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2019, 09:54:56 pm »
I've added the late submission by Proxima to the pack. :)

I also attached my solution to the level.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2019, 11:42:36 pm »
100% solution to Proxima's level.  Note that I think some of the chain links on the left hand side have the wrong Z order.

Also, Proxima's level doesn't have the "Author" field filled in in the pack.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2019, 12:05:05 am »
Also a new solution to "Forest Stroll".

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2019, 07:53:25 am »
I resolved Crane's R2 level.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2019, 08:09:16 am »
I'm losing hope with this level.  That last backroute almost completely broke the level.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2019, 09:33:06 am »
Resolved the level.

I think this is a classical case of: You cannot enforce A without allowing B.

I suspect the problem is the starting part. I would suggest changing the intended route of the start part to something more easily enforcable. You can use nearly every skill here in a somewhat helping way, so this is backroute heaven from the get go. Sometimes the intended route needs to be adapted in order for the rest of the intended tricks to be enforced, I think this could be such a case.
I would also guess that the most elegant part of the level is located in the 2nd part.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2019, 09:51:45 am »
I know the level is not going to win - it's far too convoluted and obviously full of patch-jobs.  I've got no more energy to keep fighting the losing battle.



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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2019, 08:40:43 pm »
Resolved Arty's R1 level.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2019, 02:11:13 am »
https://www.twitch.tv/callmebronco4511/videos

streamed a few of the levels today^
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2019, 02:10:23 am »
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/371532732##
played a little more today
(Cran's, Ichos and Arty's level(s)


https://www.twitch.tv/callmebronco4511/videos

streamed a few of the levels today^

Thanks, man.
Just to be sure that no videos went missing, you didn't play anything after Sunset Sprint, right?

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2019, 03:32:23 am »
I admit I'm kind of surprised at how much trouble "Two's company..." gave you.  I guess it goes to show that the solution may not always be obvious to anyone who isn't the level's designer.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2019, 06:10:51 pm »
solved Icho's rank 1 level

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #16 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2019, 03:06:51 pm »
Ok, after the images haven been uploaded to the NL site. I will ready up and start the voting.