Drawful [forum]

[Quizmaster]

-- DRAWFUL ---

Come one, come all! Post if you'd like to participate in a new fun artsy drawing game! (based on the Jackbox game) There are 3 rounds; you may participate in anyone 1 or all of them .

note: I made some minor adjustments to the rules and tried to clarify them.


round 1:
Participants will be given (via PM) a word or phrase. Once you're PM'd your phrase you may use an editor of your choice (like paint.NET) to draw your picture, but please follow these rules:

-the image must be 300x300 pixels (but you needn't necessarily fill it up).
-you may use only 1 color. (It can be any color, but must be a monochrome image)
-words are allowed (but not 'text') but try to limit that to a minimum. This isn't a hard and fast rule but be sensible.
-PM your pic (by attachment) to the Quizmaster. DO NOT post it in this topic.

The goal is to make a quick, simple and crude drawing. You may of course spend as much time as you like and make amazing artistic works with just the simple tools of paint. The point is not who is the most artistic but to make a drawing that represents your word.

-This round will be open for about 5-7 days depending on how many people join and send in their entries.

round 2:
-the pictures will be posted (anonymously). Anyone (even if you didn't enter a drawing) may PM the quizmaster  with guesses on what each picture represents.
-The author of a picture does not guess on his own picture.
-Please only 1 guess per picture
-Please make a guess for every picture
-This round will be open for about 5-7 days depending on how many people join.
No points are awarding during this phase and your score does not directly depend on what you say here. Neither does it matter if you guess "correctly" or not.
-You are are not allowed to change your answer.

round 3:
Each picture will be posted again with all the guesses (and correct answer) given. Everyone (and other people who didn't necessarily participate in the first 2 rounds) may enter and vote on the guesses on each picture as to which they think is the best one. What's "best" is up to you. It can be either what you think is correct or the most entertaining. You may vote for your own guess.
-PM the quizmaster once more with your votes.

Scoring:
-Scoring works like family feud:
People who voted for the most popular guess (which got the most votes) get the highest point. (1 point). Scores are halved for the next highest votes, and halved again for the next highest, etc.

Feel free to discuss the rules or scoring here

[Simon]

Excellent idea, I'll play!

-- Simon

[namida]

Sure, I'm in.

[Ryemanni]

Sounds fun. I'll play.

[607]

Interesting. I'm not sure if and how it'll work, but I'd like to help in finding out.

[SQron188]

Best game is here, mutherfibberz!! Hit it!!

[geoo]

I'm in.

[Akseli]

Me too.

[Nessy]

I'm in

[Quizmaster]

Let the games commence!

We have long list of phrases. The quizmaster will decide who gets which phrase by a roll of dice. (so it's random and fair). The words/phrases come from various places, mostly searching Pictionary online.

-Once you're PM'd your phrase you may use an editor of your own choice to draw your picture, but please follow these rules:

-the image must be 300x300 pixels (but you needn't necessarily fill it up).
-you may use only 1 color. (It can be any color, but must be a monochrome image)
-words are allowed (but not 'text') but try to limit that to a minimum. This isn't a hard and fast rule but be sensible.
-Please refrain from using an abundance of artistic features (like Photoshop's feather tool). The goal is to make a quick and simple picture.
-PM your pic (by attachment) to the Quizmaster. DO NOT post it in this topic.


-The Quizmaster may enter a drawing but not participate in the rest of the game (for obvious reasons)

-People may still enter and request a word until this round ends (in 5-7 days)

[607]

What's the profit of being able to vote on your own guess?

[namida]

What's the profit of being able to vote on your own guess?

This is actually a good point. While you might know what word you actually had, scoring isn't based off that, it's based off what answer is voted as best.

Although now that I think about it - I don't see how that's going to work, if the correct answer is revealed. Maybe this needs to be revised a bit - perhaps simply Family Feud style scoring on the guesses directly, rather than having that voting afterwards? (Still post the correct answers of course, but don't have them impact score in any way, maybe?)

[Quizmaster]

What's the profit of being able to vote on your own guess?

This is actually a good point. While you might know what word you actually had, scoring isn't based off that, it's based off what answer is voted as best.

Although now that I think about it - I don't see how that's going to work, if the correct answer is revealed. Maybe this needs to be revised a bit - perhaps simply Family Feud style scoring on the guesses directly, rather than having that voting afterwards? (Still post the correct answers of course, but don't have them impact score in any way, maybe?)

sorry for confusion:
The 'correct' or original word will be released with all the others but it will not be revealed which one that is. So Only the author of a particular pic will know the 'correct' answer. Which means one person will know the correct answer to one pic. But as you said this doesn't matter since you want to vote for what you think everyone else will, which may not necessarily be the correct one.
In other words:
At round three: all the guesses will appear under the picture (in no particular order) and it won't be revealed who said what (or who's picture it is).
The original word (or correct guesses) will have no impact on the score. Only the most popular guess voted for gets most points.

This is all based on exactly how the Jackbox Drawful game worked, (if I understood it correctly, someone please correct me if I'm getting it wrong).

[namida]

Ah, that makes a bit more sense then.

[Quizmaster]

thank you, fine artists, for entering a drawing.
Now in round 2, you (and anyone else, you needn't have participated in round 1) will make a guess as to what each picture represent (via PM to the Quizmaster). Please do not post guesses here.
-Please only 1 guess per picture
-Please make a guess for every picture
-Disregard your own picture.
-You may comment on each picture or guess who drew it but this does not effect scoring in any way.
-This round will be open for about 5-7 days depending on how many people join.

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[607]

Question: do points get split between the people who gave the answer, or do all people get the full amount of points? That seems quite significant strategy-wise.

[Quizmaster]

Question: do points get split between the people who gave the answer, or do all people get the full amount of points? That seems quite significant strategy-wise.

Note sure I understand the question so I hope this answers it:
scoring only happens after (and in regard to) round 3. Scoring is not based on answers given in round 2.

It will work just like family feud: everyone will get to see all answers given (including the actual answer) anonymously, and guess/vote for one of them. The people who voted for the most popular answer (got the most votes) get 1 point. The second voted gets half points, third a quater point etc...

Currently I'm deciding (during round 3) whether to list the same answer given multiple times; multiple times or just once (thus condensing the total number of answers for some pictures).

[namida]

Currently I'm deciding (during round 3) whether to list the same answer given multiple times; multiple times or just once (thus condensing the total number of answers for some pictures).

How exactly would round 3 work with duplicates? Let's say there's two answers "Example" - we'll call them Example A and Example B.

If players have to pick only Example A or Example B, the result becomes purely a matter of luck. And if the votes (and thus, score) is combined, then there's no point seperating them in the first place.

There could be a better argument for simply revealing how many times an answer was given. However, this would likely just cause votes to gravitate towards the most commonly nominated answer, somewhat defeating the purpose. (Yes, the lower number of options reveals that some options got multiple nominations, but it doesn't reveal which ones.)

[ccexplore]

I'm still having a hard time seeing how revealing the number of times an answer was nominated in round 2 would improve round 3.  I'm guessing one of the ideas is to maybe encourage some people to provide some very, let's say unexpected, answers for round 2.  Bonus if somehow a "very wrong" answer ends up somehow being quite popular for round 2, such that its surprise popularity may become a bit of a curveball for how people would answer for round 3, but I'm not sure how often something like that would really happen.

Another maybe interesting case is if the "actual answer" was something no one nominated in round 2, and so end up with the lowest nomination count of 1.  Then you may have another case where if the nomination counts are shown, some people in round 3 could be torn between picking the actual answer vs a more nominated answer.  Then again, maybe the drawing is just so off, that the actual answer would simply not realistically be picked by anyone in round 3.

Basically it seems like only if the number of times an answer was nominated in round 2 ends up serving more as misinformation, would then maybe make round 3 interesting to be able to see those round 2 nomination counts, and I'm just not sure that would happen all that much.

So I think I'm still leaning towards keeping things simple and not show how many times an answer was nominated in round 2.  Though I'm not strongly opposed to doing the opposite, and maybe for the very first time this game is played, we could try that and see how it goes, and then reconsider for the next game.

[ccexplore]

I'm quite curious how many cases we'd turn out seeing where only the one actual answer was nominated in round 2, so that it becomes an automatic score of 1 for everyone in round 3 for that drawing.  Ironic that the more accurately the drawing represents the intended word/phrase, the less interesting it could then become for round 3 scoring.

I guess if we do see too many cases of that, we'll take it as evidence to perhaps go with more difficult words or phrases for the next game.

[607]

The people who voted for the most popular answer (got the most votes) get 1 point.

Oh. You made a mistake before, then.

Scoring:
-Scoring works like family feud: 1 point is given to the person who's guess got the most votes.

But what you're saying now makes more sense. I'll send in my solutions.
Edit: I just realised... what I say now doesn't even matter. It won't get me points anyway. I think.

[ccexplore]

Will Round 3 be starting soon?

[Quizmaster]

Round 3 Begins

Below are all pictures and the guesses everyone made on them. Now your job is to PM the Quizmaster with a vote on each picture. You're voting for what you think is the best answer or what you think everyone else will pick. Because your score will be determined like the family feud: top voted answers get the highest score, etc.


1.
Bagpipes
bagpipe quartet
Four
four bagpipes


2.
not a piece of cake
Fall and no Life
Portal
Lie
the cake is a lie


3.
singer
Markiplier
Chocolate
Chocolate Rain
Fishing
a microphone
Radiocast Host
DJ Butthead


4.
autopsy
science
surgery
Frankenstein
Frankenstein's monster
Muppet Labs


5.
satellite
They See Me Rollin'
Sausage on spit
space station
The USS Enterprise


6.
Egypt
sphinx
the sphinx from UCH
Welcome to Egypt


7.
exit
Teleporter
discontinuous function
Continuity
Lemmings thinking with portals


8.
sausage
kiełbasa
Ladder
wurst


9.
dancing on someone's grave
Night
zombie
Zombies' awakening
The night of the living dead

[ccexplore]

Such similar answers to choose from!  This will clearly be a tough round.

[Akseli]

Ohh, in the original Drawful game you get points for answering the correct answer, not the most guessed one. That's why everyone were supposed to make plausible answers, so that people would choose their answer. Person whose wrong answer is guessed by someone else, gets also points.

In Jackbox games you get 1000 points for guessing the correct answer and the person who drew the picture gets 1000 points times the number of people who guesses the correct answer. The person whose wrong answer is guessed gets 500 points times the number of people who guesses that wrong answer.


But we're still going for the Family Feud scoring trying to get the most popular answer?

[SQron188]

Ohh, in the original Drawful game you get points for answering the correct answer, not the most guessed one. That's why everyone were supposed to make plausible answers, so that people would choose their answer. Person whose wrong answer is guessed by someone else, gets also points.

In Jackbox games you get 1000 points for guessing the correct answer and the person who drew the picture gets 1000 points times the number of people who guesses the correct answer. The person whose wrong answer is guessed gets 500 points times the number of people who guesses that wrong answer.


But we're still going for the Family Feud scoring trying to get the most popular answer?

I think that's how it went.

I second this notion

[Quizmaster]

well 4 people entered votes already so it's up to you to decide; it's kind of late to change the rules (hence why I mentioned discussing the rules in the first post) but if everyone wants the scoring as it was in the actual Drawful game we can do it that way.

[Akseli]

Yeah, you're right. My bad, I have no idea how I missed scoring discussion at the beginning.

[namida]

The actual Drawful scoring does make more sense. However, at this stage, people have played so far based on the rules you presented earlier.

As such, I vote: Keep the rules as they are for this game, but change to the actual Drawful rules for the next game.

[ccexplore]

Any chance that this can be wrapped up sometime over this weekend?  If nothing else I just want to know who drew what and what they were supposed to draw.

What do people feel about the overall pacing of this game?

[namida]

Any chance that this can be wrapped up sometime over this weekend?  If nothing else I just want to know who drew what and what they were supposed to draw.

What do people feel about the overall pacing of this game?

I think it's good. It can be a back-of-the-mind thing, that you do your involvement when you feel bored or whatever, and you have enough time that you'll get it done.

In terms of forum game inactivity overall, having one going at a time does limit that somewhat, but rather than speed one up, maybe it's a good idea to get others going again? We're limited to one Quizmaster game unless we create other Quizmaster accounts (which, to be fair, would be very easy to do, although could get a bit messy to keep track of and there's always a risk of sending things to the wrong Quizmaster accidentally - could perhaps be averted by specifically naming the Quizmaster accounts after the respective games), but a lot of the games don't need a quizmaster.

[Simon]

What do people feel about the overall pacing of this game?

Rounds 0, 1, 2 took 5-7 days each, that was good. Round 3 is taking too long and should be scored soon.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

The Drawful game has ended! Thanks to everyone for playing!

Note: I sent two PMs to people who have skipped questions, but as the game has gone on long I decided instead not to wait and just end the game, sorry

6 people voted in round 3:

Picture 1 was drawn by raymanni and his word was bagpipes.



votes:
bagpipe quartet; ccx, Simon, SQRon, Nessy (1 point)
four bagpipes; 607, Akseli (0.5)

Bagpipes' are not actually plural (necessarily). A single instrument is referred to as 'bagpipes'
They also didn't exactly originate in Ireland like most people think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagpipes


picture 2 was drawn by Nessy, his phrase was 'the cake is a lie'



votes:
the cake is a lie: Simon, Akseli, Nessy (1)
Portal; ccx, SQRon (0.7)
not a piece of cake: 607 (0.3)



picture 3 was drawn by SQRon, his phrase was 'Chocolate Rain' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA

 

votes:
Markiplier  ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnuBxD1vYe0 ) 607, Nessy (1)
singer; ccx (0.5)
DJ Butthead; Simon (0.5)
chocolate rain; Akseli (0.5)

Raymanni: "those teeth are very scary"


picture 4 was drawn by geoo, his word was 'Frankenstein'

 

votes:
Frankenstein: ccx, SQRon, Nessy (1)
Frankenstein's Monster: Simon, Akseli (0.7)
autopsy: 607 (0.3)

case wasn't important and I didn't consider misspellings as separate answers.
I did however consider 'Frankenstein' to be different from 'Frankenstein's Monster', not sure if that's a good idea
Technically 'Frankenstein' was the name of the scientist, not his monster as most people today think that haven't read the book or the original movies. But most people lump them together and call the monster 'Frankenstein'
But people in this game seemed to consider them two separate things



picture 5 was drawn by mobius, his phrase was 'space station'
(mobius was Quizmaster during this game so he did not participate in the other 2 rounds)



votes:
space station; ccx, SQRon (1)
satellite; Simon, Nessy (1)
sausage on spit; 607 (0.5)
they see me rollin'; Akseli (0.5)



picture 6 was drawn by 607, his phrase was 'sphinx'



votes:
sphinx: ccx, Simon, SQRon, Nessy (1)
Egypt: 607 (0.25)
the sphinx from UCH; Akseli (0.25)



picture 7 was drawn by namida, his phrase was 'teleporter/teleportation'




votes:
teleporter: ccx, Simon, Akseli, Nessy (1)
continuity: 607, SQRon (0.5)



picture 8 was drawn by Akseli, his phrase was 'wurst'



votes:
wurst: ccx, SQRon, 607, Akseli (1)
sausage: Simon, Nessy (0.5)


picture 9 was drawn by Simon, his phrase was 'zombie'



votes:
zombie: ccx, Simon, SQRon (1)
night: 607 (0.3)
dancing on someone's grave: Akseli (0.3)
The night of the living dead: Nessy (0.3)

"this one's very well drawn!" -SQRon



score:
1. Nessy (7.5)
2. ccx (7.17)
3. Simon (6.67)
4. SQRon,  (6.17)
5. Akseli (5.42)
6. 607 (4.42)


Akseli also attempted to guess the correct phrases:
1. bagpipes
2. lie
3. chocolate rain
4. Frankenstein
5. space station
6. sphinx
7. teleporter
8. [my own picture]
9. zombie

he got 7 out of 9 correct!


if someone else would like to host a game using the quizmaster account PM the quizmaster.

[Simon]

"this one's very well drawn!" -SQRon

Thanks!

Funny drawings by everybody. Thanks for hosting.

It was tricky to vote because several clearly wrong answers felt snappy too. Looking forward to the next round, where, in round 3, we won't vote for popularity, but guess the round-1 phrase.

-- Simon

[607]

It was tricky to vote because several clearly wrong answers felt snappy too. Looking forward to the next round, where, in round 3, we won't vote for popularity, but guess the round-1 phrase.

-- Simon

I wonder how that'll work. These phrases were too easy for that. Unless people deliberately try to make their picture hard to guess.

[ccexplore]

It looks like QuizMaster forgot to include #9 in the scores.  This changes the ranking between ccx and Nessy but leave everyone else same rank:

ccx:  8.17 (1 + 0.67 + 0.5 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1)
Nessy: 7.83 (1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + .5 + .33)
Simon: 7.67 (1 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.67 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 0.5 + 1)
SQRon: 7.17 (1 + 0.67 + (0) + 1 + 1 + 1 + 0.5 + 1 + 1)
Akseli: 5.75 (0.5 + 1 + 0.5 + 0.67 + 0.5 + 0.25 + 1 + 1 + 0.33)
607: 4.75 (0.5 + 0.33 + 1 + 0.33 + 0.5 + 0.25 + 0.5 + 1 + 0.33)

To be fair, Nessy's "Night of the Living Dead" answer is quite reasonable for #9, not really deserving of losing 0.67 out of 1 point for that.  Feud scoring can be a female dog sometimes, especially with such similar answers.  For example I actually nominated "the cake is a lie" for #2, but still guessed "Portal" instead for round 3 because I wasn't sure if people would pick the more specific answer or not.  I'm surprised that the actual answer is the phrase and not merely "Portal".

There were way more care put into some of the pictures than I expected.  For example if it were me, I would've just copy-paste the one bagpipes into N copies (and stopped at 2) rather than actually drawing 4 of them out.  Mobius even bothered to do pixels of stars in the background of his picture (though to be fair, it's a decent way to convey "space").  On that note, I love how two of the nominated answers "sausage on spit" and "they see me rollin'" were so far off from the actual answer but still fits the picture quite well.

[ccexplore]

I wonder how that'll work. These phrases were too easy for that. Unless people deliberately try to make their picture hard to guess.

This game reminds me of a TV variant I've seen somewhere sometime ago, either on an afternoon or late night talk show, or maybe even some sort of primetime variety game show in the summer or something.  Anyway, in the particular TV version I remember seeing, the answers were always movie titles, but the drawers only have 10 seconds(!) to draw their pictures (this is with markers and paper), then the host and audience try to guess the movie from the picture.  Obviously with only 10 seconds, sometimes the drawing can be hilariously off, though it's also amazing how sometimes someone in the audience still manage to guess correctly.

Anyway, I think proper nouns in general will likely make for harder pictures to draw, as do multi-word phrases, so that's something to consider if we're worried about the phrases too easy.  I'll leave it up to the next host whether to consider narrowing the answers to a particular category like movies versus completely open like this round.

[grams88]

I wonder who the host was just out of interest.

[ccexplore]

It was mobius:

picture 5 was drawn by mobius, his phrase was 'space station'
(mobius was Quizmaster during this game so he did not participate in the other 2 rounds)