Author Topic: Lemmings MODs (Amiga) (Read 14933 times)

Mindless · « **on:** September 22, 2005, 06:12:48 AM »

Since the MODs that I posted earlier were, IMHO, not satisfactory¹, I've started ripping the music myself. So far, I've ripped Awesome, and BeastI. They sound quite good, except the pan might be a bit off... perhaps the tempo, too, though I used the tempo from the earlier rips, since this sounds correct.

I am still confused by a few things in the .sjs file format, so if anyone finds any problems in the music, let me know.

http://it.travisbsd.org/lemmings/files/music/

¹These rips have notes added where there should be none, and some of the notes are wrong.

ccexplore · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2005, 06:31:31 AM »

Quote from: Mindless link=1127369568/0#0 date=1127369568

Since the MODs that I posted earlier were, IMHO, not satisfactory¹, I've started ripping the music myself. &#A0;So far, I've ripped Awesome, and BeastI. &#A0;They sound quite good, except the pan might be a bit off... perhaps the tempo, too, though I used the tempo from the earlier rips, since this sounds correct.

I am still confused by a few things in the .sjs file format, so if anyone finds any problems in the music, let me know.

http://it.travisbsd.org/lemmings/files/music/

I didn't notice any flaws in the two MODs you posted, except the panning. I played your MODs in DeliPlayer.

I'm not even sure if the real Amiga actually supports stereo sound, so you could probably fix the panning by making everything mono. In DeliPlayer, using the "Wide Stereo" sound effect (which presumably overrides whatever panning the MOD specifies) and the music sounds pretty perfect to me.

Where are you getting information on the sjs format by the way? While I don't pretend to know anything about it, having two people look at things could be helpful.

(By the way, I would really love for you to rip the last music of the 6 in Amiga ONML. Preferably as 4 separate MODs each containing one of the 4 channels.)

Mindless · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2005, 07:09:32 AM »

Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in) link=1127369568/0#1 date=1127370691

Where are you getting information on the sjs format by the way? While I don't pretend to know anything about it, having two people look at things could be helpful.

I've figured out most of it by using DeliPlayer and some "CustomPlay" files. Oddly, the music files on the Amiga Lemmings disk don't seem to be in .SJS format; they might be compressed, I really don't know.

Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in) link=1127369568/0#1 date=1127370691

(By the way, I would really love for you to rip the last music of the 6 in Amiga ONML. Preferably as 4 separate MODs each containing one of the 4 channels.)

I could do that.

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #3 on:** September 22, 2005, 10:40:01 AM »

Hey, great!

Since I integrated a mod player (as alternative to midi) in my slowly developing Java version of Lemmings, I also could use improved versions of the mods, especially for the ONML level, since I have only one or two midis there.

Mindless · « **Reply #4 on:** September 22, 2005, 12:16:52 PM »

OK, Tune6 is up, as well as BeastII.

@ccexplore:
tune6_split_channels.zip has all three channels in seperate MODs. (Three, because the fourth is a dummy channel.)

Edit: Tim2 ripped.

ccexplore · « **Reply #5 on:** September 22, 2005, 01:24:45 PM »

Thanks, but unfortunately that wasn't the tune I was looking for.

I'm looking for the tune that is played every 6th level in Amiga ONML, ie., Tame 6, Tame 12, etc. It (very roughly) corresponds to the music played 4th in DOS ONML.

Mindless · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:03:39 AM »

Tune4 ripped, and split channels... I think I got it right this time.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind if you'd take a look at the [link=http://it.travisbsd.org/lemmings/_misc/LemmingsAmigaHD.zip]original music files[/link], since I can't figure out how they are stored...

ccexplore · « **Reply #7 on:** September 23, 2005, 05:09:53 AM »

Quote from: Mindless link=1127369568/0#6 date=1127448219

Tune4 ripped, and split channels... I think I got it right this time.

Yep, that's it! Thanks!

Quote

Anyway, I wouldn't mind if you'd take a look at the [link=http://it.travisbsd.org/lemmings/_misc/LemmingsAmigaHD.zip]original music files[/link], since I can't figure out how they are stored...

I'll try, but be warned that I know less than you do at this point on this. Incidentally, did you by any chance try and see whether the DOS DAT decompression works on these files?

Mindless · « **Reply #8 on:** September 23, 2005, 12:11:23 PM »

Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in) link=1127369568/0#7 date=1127452193

I'll try, but be warned that I know less than you do at this point on this. Incidentally, did you by any chance try and see whether the DOS DAT decompression works on these files?

Yup, it doesn't work... the header is invalid.

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #9 on:** September 23, 2005, 01:30:24 PM »

Any chance you could rip Menacing and the missing ONML mods?

Mindless · « **Reply #10 on:** September 23, 2005, 03:07:26 PM »

I'll be ripping them all, including Holiday Lemmings, but I can't do them this weekend, so expect them sometime next week.

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #11 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:04:43 PM »

Ok, great. I'm still in alpha development anyway

G3K · « **Reply #12 on:** September 23, 2005, 04:53:01 PM »

Excellent work Mindless, I look forward to being able to hear the whole set. ^^

ccexplore · « **Reply #13 on:** September 23, 2005, 11:58:33 PM »

Quote from: Mindless link=1127369568/0#10 date=1127488046

I'll be ripping them all, including Holiday Lemmings, but I can't do them this weekend, so expect them sometime next week.

Aren't the Holiday Lemmings music just a subset of the ONML ones? (at least it seems so on the PC version).

Shvegait · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2005, 12:17:11 AM »

Nope.

Holiday Lemmings has 3 songs: Jingle Bells, Here we Come a Caroling/Old King Wenceslas, and song 17 from DOS Lemmings (not ONML).

Maybe you have the ONML Adlib.dat when you're playing Holiday Lemmings?

ccexplore · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2005, 12:30:04 AM »

Maybe Holiday Lemmings is different from the Xmas ones then. Can you e-mail me the adlib.dat for that game? Thanks.

Shvegait · « **Reply #16 on:** September 24, 2005, 12:45:13 AM »

Oops! You are correct. The XMas Lemmings (91, 92) songs are different from the ONML ones, but the Holiday (93, 94) songs are some ONML ones. You can download XMas Lemmings off of Abandonia.com if you'd like. No point in me e-mailing it.

DragonsLover · « **Reply #17 on:** September 24, 2005, 04:25:59 AM »

Hey, how do you rip Mods from Amiga games? What program are you using?

Mindless · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2005, 06:59:44 PM »

I'm not exactly ripping the music from the game, I'm ripping it from what I believe to be a decompressed version of the music. (see http://amiga.emucamp.com/wt/examples.html)

And I'm using a little script I wrote to translate the files into readable information that I can compose in MODPlug Tracker. The samples (instruments) however are ripped directly from the Amiga disks.

Edit: fixed typo.

Mr. K · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2005, 09:14:58 PM »

Man, this is neat. I remember that a year ago I was looking around and realized that only the Lemmings 2 & 3 songs were in MOD format. Great work Mindless.

Mindless · « **Reply #20 on:** September 26, 2005, 03:53:20 AM »

Menace ripped.

I'll be slightly recomposing the MODs I've already ripped because of a small difference between the SJS and MOD formats. It's only about 1 note of silence, probably nothing anyone would notice, but I want my rips to be exact copies of the originals.

Edit: BeastI and BeastII are the only two of the songs that I've ripped so far that needed recomposing, so they have been, none of the other files have changed.

DragonsLover · « **Reply #21 on:** September 26, 2005, 01:37:30 PM »

ModPlug Tracker?

Niiiiice!!! Here's another music sequecing program! Thanks for the info!

ccexplore · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2005, 03:19:46 PM »

I think that program's for making MODs though not MIDIs.

Mindless · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2005, 11:46:22 PM »

Modplug has MIDI capabilites, but they're rather hard to use...
(duplicate post from http://eng-forum.lemmingswelt.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1124711479;start=15#19)

Edit: All ONML tunes ripped now... tell me if anything sounds wrong.

Proxima · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2005, 09:44:30 AM »

How hard is "hard", though? Could you use them?

ccexplore · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2005, 10:49:33 AM »

As you can see, Ahribar is desperate to get anyone else to finish the MIDIs that I still haven't finished, just so you know what he's really asking

Proxima · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2005, 11:03:37 AM »

Well, you did say you'd have another one done this weekend...........

Mindless · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2005, 11:19:48 AM »

I could use them, but you wouldn't like it.

ccexplore · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2005, 12:58:27 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1127369568/15#26 date=1127819017

Well, you did say you'd have another one done this weekend...........

Yeah, I probably would've too, but that was before I got the Mac emulator running...... X_X

I'm going to try very very hard to get one done tonight.

Proxima · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2005, 02:55:46 PM »

Quote from: Mindless link=1127369568/15#27 date=1127819988

I could use them, but you wouldn't like it.

Honestly, anything's better than nothing. And we need to leave ccexplore free to play with his new toy, since he likes it so much

ccexplore · « **Reply #30 on:** September 27, 2005, 04:52:51 PM »

Quote from: Mindless link=1127369568/15#27 date=1127819988

I could use them, but you wouldn't like it.

If you're going to do it, do ONML #3 first. The one that I've worked on the least.

ccexplore · « **Reply #31 on:** September 27, 2005, 04:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1127369568/15#29 date=1127832946

Honestly, anything's better than nothing.

Well, you know, the very first MIDIs I sent you were the raw conversions, and they include all 6 ONML tracks. Do those count as "anything"?

(I would hope not, unless you're really getting that desperate.)

Mindless · « **Reply #32 on:** September 27, 2005, 09:33:39 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1127369568/15#29 date=1127832946

Honestly, anything's better than nothing. And we need to leave ccexplore free to play with his new toy, since he likes it so much

I'd really rather spend time on MODs than MIDIs, since MIDIs seem to be relatively tedious work.

Mindless · « **Reply #33 on:** October 02, 2005, 06:50:57 PM »

All Tim# MODs up.

ccexplore · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2005, 11:58:12 PM »

Are you still working on this? It seems like you're still missing 7 songs from the Lemmings game (like Can-can for example).

Mindless · « **Reply #35 on:** October 14, 2005, 02:23:29 AM »

Yup, I'm still planning to rip the rest... They've been piling on the tests and projects at school, so that's why I haven't been working on them lately.

Mindless · « **Reply #36 on:** October 15, 2005, 11:09:16 PM »

CanCan, Doggie, Lemming1 - 3 ripped.

Mindless · « **Reply #37 on:** October 23, 2005, 03:01:22 AM »

TenLemmings and Mountain ripped. All music from Lemmings and ONML is now ripped... now I just hope 0xdeadbeef can get a preview of his clone out.

*waits in anticipation*

ccexplore · « **Reply #38 on:** October 28, 2005, 08:15:44 AM »

Don't rest just yet. I finally found the first real issue with your MODs.

Compare your version of Lemming2 to the one on the jukebox (http://www.deveria.com/alexis/lemmings/lemmings/music/lemjuke.html, Track 4). You can stop listening as soon as the main melody starts.

Notice that in your version, at least when I played it on DeliTracker, you have an instrument sound that resembles a high-pitch snare drum (as opposed to the other snare drum sound, which is lower pitched and louder). But in the jukebox version, that same instrument is decidedly not a snare drum sound. If this isn't clear, the difference should be very noticeable in that measure that was immediately before the main melody, the measure leading directly to the start of the main melody.

I checked the jukebox version against both the game as played in WinUAE (admittedly with the AFS rather than your IPF), and also the Cust.Lemming rips played on DeliTracker. Those are all the same; yours is different.

Explanation please?

I should note that in pointing this out, my assumption was that your MODs are supposed to be exact replicas of what the music would sound like if I were to play the game on its original Amiga disks on the real Amiga. If instead it's the case that you are deliberately making your own slightly altered versions of the Amiga music, I'm fine with it but please make it clear that's the case.

Mindless · « **Reply #39 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:04:39 PM »

Hmm... I'll check it out... I may have to fix the instruments, it was probably my mistake, since the Cust.Lemming rips do NOT store which instruments are used.

Anyway, I'll try to get this fixed.

ccexplore · « **Reply #40 on:** October 29, 2005, 12:28:15 AM »

If you can somehow give me the instrument set as a bunch of WAV files or the like, I can, when I have time, go thru all the MODs to identify all the instrument mistakes, and then tell you what the correct instruments are.

Mindless · « **Reply #41 on:** October 29, 2005, 01:12:44 AM »

x_x Ouch, now that I'm at a computer w/ speakers... um... that's depressingly bad... I've figured out the correct instruments, tho, and I'll go thru them all tonight to make sure they have the correct instruments.

Mindless · « **Reply #42 on:** October 29, 2005, 02:50:57 AM »

Fixed. Additionally, I have ripped Intro.

Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in) link=1127369568/30#40 date=1130545695

If you can somehow give me the instrument set as a bunch of WAV files or the like, I can, when I have time, go thru all the MODs to identify all the instrument mistakes, and then tell you what the correct instruments are.

Sorry, I have no means of converting 8SVX to WAV. Luckily, Open MODPlug Tracker can use 8SVXs.

Author Topic: Lemmings MODs (Amiga) (Read 14933 times)

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