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Offline Hypotenuse

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Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« on: February 29, 2016, 12:58:33 AM »
I am currently working on arranging music from the original Lemmings "special" levels (Beast, Menacing, Awesome, Beast II) for string quartet. Beast I is about wrapped up, and Menacing is currently in progress. There are, of course, multiple versions of these songs out there, and I am arranging by ear. So I was wondering what the consensus is on the most full-sounding, most interesting, coolest version of the Awesome and Beast II soundtracks. I am mainly using the Amiga track for Beast I, and I am using the Amiga track for Menacing now (although I will include a bit from the -I believe- SNES track, whichever one is in A-flat major, just to spice it up a bit). Open to opinions!
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 07:58:36 AM »
I personally like the DOS version for Awesome and the Amiga version for BeastII, but I'm not sure if any general consensus has been established in that regard.
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 07:42:54 PM »
To be honest with very few exceptions, I think all 4 special levels' music are pretty much the same from port to port, except for basically instrumentation and sometimes the key.  And none of them of course will sound like a string quartet anyway, so you should just do what makes the most sense and works best musically.  (Indeed, I'm quite curious how it'll turn out to translate the metal sounds of Menace and Awesome to a string quartet setting.)  Make your version the most interesting and coolest! 8-)

For your reference, you can find youtube playlists of the different versions below:

Beast
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Beast II

Incidentally, are you only looking at the special levels' music, or might you also be looking into doing an arrangement of something in the game's regular music rotation?

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 04:03:58 AM »
Thank you both for the feedback! Fair point about the difference in the tracks being minimal given the new instrumentation, for sure. Also, to answer your question about it only being special levels: yes, for now, I may look into other music afterwards, but given that most of it is public domain material (Turkish Rondo, Can-Can, Doggy in the Window, etc.) I am sure plenty of arrangements of those are already out there. Although, ONML music....now there's a thought. ;) (Sidenote: other little gags, such as SNES intro music are coming to mind, perhaps a potential future project)
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 09:14:40 PM »
Sounds cool, I'll be looking forward to it!

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2016, 05:28:30 AM »
Aha! Correction: supposedly the version of Menacing music in A-flat major is from the PC-DOS version (at least according to the soundtrack I found). Strangely I don't remember that as someone who played on the PC-DOS version originally. I suppose I've spent too much time hearing good-ol' C-Major Menacing music on Lemmini recently. Also, Menacing is still in progress, personal life stalling me a bit as well as the struggle of where to splice in a bit of A-flat stuff. Not to worry, I will make myself finish Menacing tomorrow to move on to Awesome! I am also still open to suggestions for a conclusion (perhaps a bit of "Doggy in the Window" or the SNES "level complete" music? or something else entirely?). Haven't quite decided how to put a bow on it yet (pun most definitely intended).
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 01:26:11 AM »
Today, I wrapped up "Awesome!" Tomorrow, I will spend some quality time with "Beast II," perhaps even get through the whole thing, depending on how patient I am feeling. Ideally I will have parts and a score printed by next week, at which point all that will be left to do will be to pull together three friends to play it with me (which  shouldn't be terribly difficult). I expect to be able to record it and post it to YouTube for your viewing and listening pleasure by the end of next week.
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet! (It's here! kind of...)
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2016, 06:25:52 AM »
It has been quite some time since my last post here, and I must admit to being a bit behind schedule. The score and parts for the Special Levels Quartet are finished (those have been done for about a month now). However, (you had to know there was a "however" coming) we (me and my weird musician friends) have not had a whole lot of spare time on our hands to rehearse this. Since I can't give you an actual live video/audio recording of it yet, I don't want to spoil anything by giving away the score now. BUT, I do have some bonus material for you! Below is a link to my personal string-quartet take on one of Tim Wright's themes. This one is strictly digital for the moment, but you can hear the audio playback of it by hitting the little 'play' button (which should be lower-left). For now, enjoy this one and consider it a sort of little preview. More coming soon! Lem on!
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2016, 12:10:51 PM »
Oooh, very nice! :D
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2016, 06:25:47 PM »
I agree that's very nice. :thumbsup: Looks like we have another user that can read and compose digital music!
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 07:47:12 PM »
Cool, looking forward to hear it (and your other arrangements) played with real instruments, which undoubtedly will sound even better! :thumbsup: I do wonder though about the added ending (ie. final 2 measures) for your Tim 3 arrangement, feels a little too basic for me.

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2016, 03:11:32 AM »
Today has been a long and rainy Saturday, and I haven't had a whole lot to do, so..........I decided more bonus material would be a good idea! In the continued absence of the perpetually-delayed special levels quartet live performance, I give you (digitally)...drumroll please...the Ascending Pillar Disco! (Once again, audio playback using the little play button.)

"Ascending Pillar Disco for String Quartet:" https://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/d8a71b81067f7fe50b2549fa64b4340135fff341

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2016, 03:58:45 AM »
Not so sure about this one. It felt a bit too... hm, I don't really know how to describe it, being not too musically-inclined myself. But like... the prominent melody is very good, but it needs more "background"y stuff, I guess?
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 04:26:46 AM »
Very fair assessment, and yes I completely understand what you mean there. I guess having the initial melody (that octave-flickering stuff) serve as the only background was a bit odd. Also, perhaps the SNES version was not the best to base it off of, I think the DOS edition of that one has something more behind it. I kind of start to wonder if adding drums wouldn't be a bad idea in a couple of places. Thanks for the feedback as always! :)
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2016, 04:56:30 AM »
Given that occasional notes already sound somewhat drum-like (which perhaps adds to the silent background feeling in other parts), a drum line on that track could work very well.
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2016, 05:51:20 AM »
The problem I think namida is trying to articulate is what you did with the bass line (the cello part).  You kind of simplify it too much to the point of losing the critical harmonic progressions in some places (particularly in theme A).  Also in your arrangement the bass line is often not quite loud enough and tends to get lost over the other parts, and since the bass line also provides a counterpoint rhythm against the melody, the bass line getting lost would also weaken the rhythmic structure (though adding percussion may help offset this a little).

Here's the Amiga version for reference.  It's not really that different from SNES version, I think either version's bass line will work if you stick closer to the original notes and make the bass line stand out more.  It's also quite possible that this is just one of those tunes that are harder to adapt for string quartet similar to my concerns with Awesome for example.


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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2016, 06:52:20 AM »
The Master System version might be well suited to this, actually. The downside being it doens't include the full normal track; only the "main" part of it (I may be biased in considering it this, since this is the first version I knew of the track).

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2016, 11:50:41 AM »
Great stuff!

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2016, 08:42:20 PM »
Very good point about the way I kind of pushed the cello part to the back at times. I'll give that another look and see how that changes it. I also feel like what's really missing from this one (in contrast to the other one (Tim 3? Tim 2?) is that nice counter melody. Tim 3 (?) had a viola part in their that really filled out the puzzle; perhaps I can work something like that in there. Maybe I can layer the two melodies on top of each other at some point (spoliler alert: I did this in "Beast").
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2016, 07:34:35 PM »
In a slight change of style, and primarily thanks to my laziness when it comes to going back and revising, I took to arranging the SNES title theme for piano. (The one real perk of piano arranging on NoteFlight is that its piano audio track sounds a lot more realistic than its string instrument audio track.) Enjoy!
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2016, 11:57:39 AM »
I played around with Ascending Pillar Disco a little, and I think your idea of percussion is spot-on.  Attached MIDI's a slightly modified version, where instead of percussion, I made the viola part basically emulate what the percussion would do.  That little added bit of steady rhythm seems to be enough to make it work.

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2016, 12:59:51 PM »
It sounds nice, though it feels like the main melody should be a tad louder relative to the rest.
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2016, 06:14:05 PM »
Oh yes, I highly approve of that tweak there, ccexplore! As an arranging traditionalist who really doesn't like having to add percussion, I definitely like what you did there with the viola part. Also, whatever software you are using there has a far more accurate audio playback of string instruments than cheapy ol' NoteFlight, lol. Would you mind sharing the score for your version, so I can compare on paper?
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2016, 11:57:37 AM »
Also, whatever software you are using there has a far more accurate audio playback of string instruments than cheapy ol' NoteFlight, lol. Would you mind sharing the score for your version, so I can compare on paper?

Actually in terms of audio playback, the software used to compose doesn't really matter in this case, as I saved/exported it as MIDI file format, which does not contain instrument sounds on its own.  For most Windows PCs, MIDIs will be played through a software MIDI synthesizer that comes with Windows since XP, thus using whatever instrument sounds that provides.  It's not bad, but undoubtedly one can probably find more professional software out there with much more authentic instrument sound samples than whatever comes with the MIDI synthesizer (especially if you pay).

The software used to compose it is Noteworthy Composer, more precisely, an unregistered free trial version from over 10 years ago.  Honestly it's not all that better than NoteFlight, it's just happened to be something I found back in the day and still have a copy of.  I've attached PDF of the score.

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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2016, 06:27:08 AM »
I noticed something today. I left my score of the Special Levels Quartet public and open to search because I am terrible at editing and viewing settings. I suppose some of you may have already found it by this point. And, that, combined with my continued inability and general laziness when it comes to contacting people and rehearsing has led me to indefinitely put a live recording of that on hold and (drumroll, please) post a link here. I am, as always, open to feedback, but this one is pretty set in stone. Nonetheless, all comments appreicated. Noteflight got a new format recently, so you might have to hunt for the play button, but I trust you all to find it. Enjoy!
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2016, 10:34:13 PM »
Beast: There are a few parts where there's noticable awkward silence before a new note starts. I don't know if this is avoidable at all, but may be worth looking into (perhaps start the new note a fraction of a time unit sooner?). It definitely has a very creepy feel that would suit the level well! :)

Menace: Sorry to say, this one sounds a bit off. Some of the timings don't seem quite right, some parts have too much silence again, and some "double notes" (I'm not sure what the technical term is - two of the same note quickly in succession) sound excessive. I think this music just isn't generally suited to strings, though. I like some of the creative freedom you've taken throughout it though. :)

Awesome: The start bit (with the four long rising notes), the 3rd note seems to cut off early in both iterations. Overall though, this one is very nice! :) I feel it'd be even better with some drumming, though... :P

BeastII: The very first section of "background" notes sound off-key (a bit high, I think)? A few background notes near the end sound a tad off too, very minorly though. Aside from those small detail though, this one is simply AMAZING!
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2016, 12:03:34 PM »
Overall I think they all work reasonably fine for me, even Menacing works okay for me.  I've heard versions from at least 3-4 different ports so in some cases, I wonder if it's just a matter of you basing sections off from a different port than one namida's used to hearing?

Beast:
  - measure 12, cello part: it really shouldn't go to C# on the fourth beat, leave it on F# for the whole measure.
  - the staccato notes often seem a little too short and barely audible against the melody and bass line, feel like it could either be a little louder or not as short.
  - measure 33 etc.: in many if not all ports, the harmonic progression there starts with 4 measures of F# follow by 4 measures of C#.  In your viola part there you basically leave it on C# throughout that whole section.  That's a fairly long time leaving the harmony completely static, I think the 4 measures of F# will work better.

Menacing:
  - I think the "double note" is okay, some ports like the Amiga are actually a little more like that (although typically not quite as prominent as this arrangement, because of the percussion and bassline).  I'll accept it as a creativity choice.  It is a fair point that having it mostly in double notes will probably create a slightly different rhythmic feel than the original with less doubling.
  - measures 76-79: this may be the part where namida hears too much silence.  There are no sustained notes in those measures, maybe there should be some (on C)?
  - measure 114, 122: those two measures lack sustained notes and stand out oddly against surrounding measures that have them.
  - measures 123-127:  this transition just doesn't make much sense to me, sorry.  Granted, it's perhaps not easy to come up with a good one going from Menacing to Awesome.

Awesome:
  - Yeah, I heard the same "3rd note cut off early" as namida, and it is as notated in the score.  I have to say like namida I don't agree with the choice.  At the very least, the cutoff should be shorter (try an 8th or 16th rest instead of the current quarter rest, if you still want a cutoff there).

Beast II:
  - namida points out that, relative to a number of ports including Amiga and Genesis, the viola notes in measures 174-176 is higher than usual (usually G#, you have D#).  But there are also other ports that play that part with percussion of indeterminate pitch, so I don't think it matters too much what pitch you choose there.
  - the staccato notes are once again too short and too soft for me (can you really even make them sound that short on a real violin/viola?)
  - I feel like having only the cello play a soft (mp) note as the final closing measure is a little too wimpy?  At the very least, feels like every instrument should be playing something there.

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2016, 10:39:28 PM »
I don't have a ton of time to address stuff right this minute, but the awkward transition you reference from menacing to awesome was actually not a transition. It was meant to imitate "danger, danger" at the end of the menacing music. Also the "overly-short" nature of the staccato notes is just a lame facet of noteflight as a whole, real staccato doesn't sound that ugly. (Also, yes the double note exists in the Amiga version, and that was the primary track I used.) Couple of other things: the dramatic pauses in Awesome at the beginning were intentional, as was the little jumpy-section in menacing. Ccex is dead on about the C#-forever viola bit in beast, I just got lazy there. As for the BeastII beginning bit, those pitches are dead on with whatever version I used, I think Amiga, but yes I think it varies by port.
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2016, 10:05:20 PM »
Ok, so it's been awhile hasn't it? Well, I have some exciting news. Live performance tonight (in about 2 hours) of something you have heard part of. As for the rest of it, those of you who played Pieuw's PimoLems will probably recognize it. (I'll go ahead and spoil that this is not the Special Levels Quartet. That one is still in the works.) I will have it recorded and will post a link to it on YouTube as soon as we are done. Be on the lookout for it later tonight. :)
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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2016, 11:57:00 PM »
Awesome (no pun intended or whatever ;)), looking forward to it! 8-)

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Re: Special Levels Music for String Quartet!
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2016, 03:05:52 AM »
Here it is! Enjoy! :)
(We flubbed the end big time, but hey, the rest of it came out in one piece :P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U7cgbNQ6qY
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2016, 10:31:22 AM »
Finally got a chance to listen.  Not bad! 8-)  Actually whatever the flub was at the end wasn't particularly noticeable IMO, sure maybe it wasn't as clean and strong and together as it could've been, but I don't think it was noticeably worse than the rest of the performance.  Actually, the only thing that did stick out for me was at around 2:30 (which admittedly is near the end so maybe that's the flub? ???) when you (I'm assuming you're the 1st violin) seem to be suddenly playing a whole bunch of fast notes.  I can't hear the notes clearly and they don't really sound like they quite fit with the rest of the music, it was just kind of strange.  If I were just listening I probably wouldn't even take notice (as I said, couldn't actually hear those notes clearly anyway), but watching the performance visually it was hard not to take notice of the furious bowing at that point that was not matched by any of the other parts.

Overall, assuming that there simply wasn't much rehearsal time spent on this, it worked out alright I think.  Out of curiosity, is this quartet thing just you and the other three rehearsing and practicing all on your own, or was there some sort of coach or teacher to help provide constructive feedback and technical advice?

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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2017, 12:57:55 AM »
Within the next week, I will post a video of the latest product of my increasingly limited downtime. This will be a violin+viola arrangement of the two originals I've always called "Two Lemmings Tango" and "Lemming Calliope." I haven't done much arrangement or composition in over a year and I'm certainly excited to share more of my cacophony with you all! Be on the lookout, possibly as soon as tomorrow!

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