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Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« on: September 27, 2014, 06:27:08 am »
A reference guide to the messages you get after completing a level based on how many lemmings you saved, and other awards / game-completion status that are based on the number of lemmings saved.

This is a work-in-progress. Contributions from any of the Lemmings games and ports are most welcome! :thumbsup:



Lemmings (DOS)

This covers the first-generation games up to Holiday Lemmings 1994.

Game Completion
Each level has a specified number of lemmings and number (expressed as a percentage) to be saved before you can progress to the next level.
The game is considered "complete" (you get a special end-game message) after you solve the final level in the highest rating.

Post-level messages
In the table below, R is the required percentage saved to complete the level, rounded down to a whole number (eg. 40/60 = 66%).
Messages are quoted verbatim, including double-spaces, ellipses of varying lengths, and one case where the fullstop appears after the space that should follow it :P
If more than one case applies, the lowest is taken, unless R=100 in which case you get the 100% message on solving the level.

% SavedLemmingsOh No! More Lemmings / Xmas Lemmings 1991 / Xmas Lemmings 1992Holiday Lemmings 1993Holiday Lemmings 1994
= 100Superb! You rescued every lemming on that level. Can you do it again....?WOW! You saved every Lemming. TOTALLY EXCELLENT!Excellent!  You've managed to save all of the little rodents!  Now do it again!Excellent!  You've managed to save them all!  Can you do as well next time?
< 100You totally stormed that level! Let's see if you can storm the next...What a fine display of Lemming control. Take a bow then carry on with the game.An exemplary instance of rodent control. Now, onto the next challenge.Very impressive.  You're well on your way to becoming a Lemmings Master!
< R+20That level seemed no problem to you on that attempt. Onto the next....More than enough .You have the makings of a master Lemmings player.Well done.  You've made it with plenty to spare.  Now onto the next...Well done.  You've made it with plenty to spare.  Now onto the next...
= RRIGHT ON. You can't get much closer than that. Let's try the next....Just made it by the skin of your teeth. Time to progress..That was close, but you made it! Onwards and upwards...Whew!  That was close, but you made it! On to the next challenge!
= R-1OH NO, So near and yet so far (teehee) Maybe this time.....Shame, You were short by a tiny amount. Go for it this time.Just a tiny bit more effort on your part will get the lemmings home!Just a tiny bit more effort will get the lemmings home for the holidays!
< R-1You got pretty close that time. Now try again for that few % extra.Getting close. You are either pretty good, or simply lucky.Not bad, but you can certainly do a bit better!Not bad, but you can certainly do a bit better!
< R-5A little more practice on this level is definitely recommended.We are not too impressed with your attempt at that level!Try a bit harder...the lemmings are depending on you!Try a bit harder...the lemmings are depending on you!
< R/2 (rounded down)Better rethink your strategy before you try this level again!Yes, well, err, erm, maybe that is NOT the way to do this level.Umm, maybe you'd better rethink your strategy a bit!Umm, maybe you'd better rethink your strategy a bit!
= 0ROCK BOTTOM! I hope for your sake that you nuked that level.Oh dear, not even one poor Lemming saved. Try a little harder next time.At this rate, the lemmings are not going to have a very happy holiday!Uh-oh!  Not a single lemming saved! Try harder, the lemmings need you!



Lemmings 2 (DOS)

Game completion
Level 1 of each Tribe starts with 60 lemmings, and lemmings saved carry over to the next level.
After each level (if you saved any lemmings), you are awarded a medal based on the number saved. This may be Gold, Silver or Bronze.
After level 10, you receive a piece of the Talisman. The colour is the same as the lowest medal you've achieved across the ten levels.
To complete the game, you must obtain a Gold piece of the Talisman in each of the 12 Tribes.

Awards
The medal given is determined as follows:
T = the number of lemmings you start the level with.
L = the number of lemmings you can lose and still get Gold. This is specified in the level file, but hidden from the player.
G = T - L is the minimum number of lemmings you need to save for Gold.
S = G - T/2 (round up the result) is the minimum number of lemmings you need to save for Silver.

Post-level messages
Where more than one of the cases below applies, the order of precedence is: 0 > Bronze > Silver > 1.
Saved (minimum)MedalMessage
GGoldExcellent! A gold standard successful rescue attempt.
G-1SilverThat was a sparkling performance.
G-2SilverNice one! But can you give that extra bit of effort?
G-3SilverYou got a grade "A" for merit.
G-4SilverYou obviously had few problems there.
G-5SilverThat was a reasonably good go.
G-6SilverDo you think those were acceptable losses?
SSilverThat was a passable effort. Must try harder.
S-1BronzeA little practice might be what you need.
S-2BronzeNot bad, but not good either.
S-3BronzeThat just wasn't good enough. They're relying on you.
S-4BronzeThat wasn't very impressive was it?
S-5BronzeYou saved so few that they are going to be very lonely.
1BronzeUh oh. That was a feeble effort.
0NoneOh Dear. You seem to have made this tribe extinct!



Lemmings Chronicles / All New World of Lemmings

Game completion
Level 1 of each tribe starts with 20 lemmings, and lemmings saved carry over to the next level. Some levels contain pre-placed lemmings that can be saved in addition to the ones you start with. To complete the game, you must save 50 lemmings in each tribe.

Post-level messages
In the table below, T is the number of lemmings you start the level with, and E is the number of extra lemmings on the level.
Messages are written in the game's font which has no distinction between upper and lower case, and thus appears as all upper case.
SavedMessage
>T if E>0, =T if E=0WELL DONE
=T if E>0GOOD WORK
>1YOU CAN DO BETTER !
=1*THATS A BIT FEEBLE !
=0HARD LUCK
* Takes precedence over other messages.

End-of-tribe messages
If you saved less than 50:
CONGRATULATIONS !
YOU HAVE REACHED THE END OF THE (TRIBE) ISLAND WITH (N) LEMMING(S)
HOWEVER YOU MUST SAVE 50 LEMMINGS TO COMPLETE THE TRIBE
PLEASE GO BACK AND SAVE SOME MORE !

If you saved 50 or more:
EXCELLENT !
YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE (TRIBE) TRIBE WITH (N) LEMMINGS

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 07:21:23 am »
Almost all of these strike me as rather passive-aggressive.

G-4     Silver     You obviously had few problems there.

Like this one.

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 09:16:40 am »
I find it amusing that they ask for more effort at G-2, then meekly congratulate you at G-1.

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 10:11:10 am »
Added an entry for Lemmings 1 thru Holiday 1994 :)

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 12:30:46 pm »
Nice! But you're missing the R - 1% message (if this exists in DOS?)

** Exceptions exist depending on the total number of lemmings. For example, saving 12 out of 25 required yields this level of message when there are 80 lemmings total, but the one below when there are 50 lemmings total. Further research required :)

Perhaps to do with the way the game rounds percentages? 12/25 with 50 lemmings is 24%/50%, less than half, but 12/25 with 80 lemmings is 15%/31%, and half of 31% is 15% if you always round down.

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 12:36:13 pm »
I disassembled from the game's programming the post-level message conditions for (DOS) Lemmings 1 a long while ago and was able to dig up my notes just now.  The conditions are actually based on the percentage number rather than the actual count of lemmings (same results in most cases, but not all as you've observed due to rounding).  And as Proxima noticed, you missed one of the messages.

The following checks are done, in order given:

[note: the calculated percentages used in the checks below are actually rounded down to integer, ie. floor(x).  So 44 out of 66 is exactly 66% as far as the checks are concerned, and not 66.6666666...% as normal arithmetic would dictate.  This goes for both the required and actual percentages.]

100%
0%
less than floor(required% / 2)   [math note: floor(x) means "always round down"]
less than required% - 5%
less than required% - 1%
equals required% - 1%
equals required%
less than required% + 20%
greater than or equals required% + 20% (Thus not achievable if required % is 80 or higher, as no known way [almost certainly none] exists to get higher than 100% in the game.)

So as an example, take "All the 6's" level, which has 66 lemmings and requires 66% (44 out of 66).  Then

Saved (percent)Saved (number out of 66)Message (Lemmings)
100%66Superb! You rescued every lemming on that level. Can you do it again....?
86%-99%57-65You totally stormed that level! Let's see if you can storm the next...
67%-85%45-56That level seemed no problem to you on that attempt. Onto the next....
66%44RIGHT ON. You can't get much closer than that. Let's try the next....
65%43OH NO, So near and yet so far (teehee) Maybe this time.....
61%-64%41-42You got pretty close that time. Now try again for that few % extra.
33%-60%22-40A little more practice on this level is definitely recommended.
1%-32%1-21Better rethink your strategy before you try this level again!
0%0ROCK BOTTOM! I hope for your sake that you nuked that level.

Presumably the checks/conditions are exactly the same for the other first-generation games, even though the messages themselves are different.  Message for the R-1 case for the rest left as exercise for Clam. ;P

[edit: although technically more a post-game message, my notes also mentioned the following:

(Lemmings)
Congratulations! Everybody here at DMA Design salutes you
as a MASTER Lemmings player. Not many
people will complete the Mayhem levels,
you are definitely one of the elite
Now hold your breath for the data disk

(ONML)
Congratulations!
You are truly an Excellent
Lemmings player
The Lemmings Saga continues at a
later date, watch this space

These came from my copy of the games as downloaded from abandonia.com.]

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 08:12:12 pm »
Ah, so they actually calculate based off the rounded percentages thus introducing a round-off error (if you can call it an error in this context).

And apparently I missed an entire category despite testing levels from every game. I blame the 80-lemming limit for making single lemmings worth 2% :P

Post-game messages may as well go in this topic too :)

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 08:31:20 pm »
Just want to add my mustard (excuse me, it's a strictly German expression I just love using in English :p ) , the SNES version of Lemmings 1 has "SPOT ON" instead of "RIGHT ON", also it doesn't use a period after "I hope for your sake that you nuked that level"

 ;P Just in case you wanted to go into more detail.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 08:25:50 am »
Fixed the L1 entry with formulas based on percentages, Required % - 1 messages, and precedence order.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 02:07:57 pm »
Awesome. I had never seen the ONML R - 1 message before (it is difficult to get when the Tame levels are all 50% of 50 and many other levels are 100% of 80!)

From your description of the priority order, it sounds like you get the 100% message when you save 100% even if that was the requirement. Is that the case in DOS? Mac Lemmings / ONML definitely does not do this, you just get the "SPOT ON" message.

The Mac version, incidentally, has all the same messages, but it calculates based on number of lemmings rather than % (which is also why there is no nuke glitch in this version) -- if you ResEdit the level data so a level has 120 lemmings, you can get "You needed x%, you saved x%" but you don't pass the level. However, if levels have over 80 lemmings, the display starts glitching -- completion messages and ratings in particular don't display or are replaced with random characters. So I don't know what completion message would display in that case  :P

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 07:16:13 pm »
Awesome. I had never seen the ONML R - 1 message before (it is difficult to get when the Tame levels are all 50% of 50 and many other levels are 100% of 80!)

I counted (using the spreadsheet of levels) the number of levels per game where it's possible to get R-1%:
  • Lemmings: 13/120
  • ONML: 13/100
  • Xmas 1991: 0/4
  • Xmas 1992: 1/4
  • Holiday 1993: 11/32
  • Holiday 1994: 20/64 (includes the Holiday 1993 levels)
You'll actually find them more often in ONML than L1, since ONML has fewer levels :)


From your description of the priority order, it sounds like you get the 100% message when you save 100% even if that was the requirement. Is that the case in DOS? Mac Lemmings / ONML definitely does not do this, you just get the "SPOT ON" message.

A quick test on Fun 4 (Now use miners and climbers, 10/10 required) confirms that you get the 100% message, not the R% one.

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 07:44:57 pm »
Interesting, didn't know Mac prioritizes "requirement met" over 100%.  The ordering of checks I mentioned in my post (100%, 0%, etc.) reflects exactly how the DOS game's programming does it.

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 09:24:16 pm »
Clam, I think your precedence order for first-generation Lemmings fails to take into account the cases where P is low enough such that P - 5 < floor(P/2).  For example say P is 8% (7 out of 80).  If you save 3% (3 out of 80), I believe you should still be getting the "1" message rather than the "P-5" message.

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 09:11:54 am »
Ah, you're right. There aren't any official levels with save requirements below 10%, so you'd only encounter this in edited levels.

I've changed the "Saved" column to match the actual list of checks that the game does. Also changed the 'P' to 'R'.

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2014, 09:43:08 am »
Added an entry for Lemmings Chronicles / All New World of Lemmings :)

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2014, 10:20:52 am »
Where exactly does the new line fall in the messages? Specifically the H94 ones; so that I can put the correct texts in the Lemmix players.
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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2014, 02:28:53 am »
It did occur to me most of the way through that the newlines might be important :XD:. I'll find those when I get a moment.

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2014, 02:57:29 am »
Another thing: Am I correct in thinking CustLemm, Covox and Prima use the OhNo messages?
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2014, 05:22:33 am »
CustLemm uses the ONML text. Covox and Prima use the original Lemmings text.

There's another complication - the alignment isn't consistent, which means they are using spaces to manually align the text.

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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2014, 09:31:37 am »
... and (I saw this headache coming) the forum doesn't like leading spaces. So I've attached a spreadsheet here with the L1 messages with the proper spacing. I might end up going this route for all the games, rather than try to fight the forum software :P

I can't tell whether there are trailing spaces, nor whether there's an actual linebreak or just spaces to pad out the rest of the line. If you do need to add trailing spaces, then I can tell you that each line is 40 characters.

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 10:45:58 am »
... and (I saw this headache coming) the forum doesn't like leading spaces.

Haven't tried this in tables, but try using the [ tt ] bbcode tag, that seems to preserve leading spaces (and also uses a monospace font which works best for representing the exact spacing and alignment of these texts).

   (test with 3 leading spaces)
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2017, 04:44:55 am »
There oughta be a set of levels, one per game, to check for all messages. E.g. All the 6's from L1. If necessary, two or more to check if you can't do one in, say, ONML.

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 06:09:42 am »
<strong>Post-level messages</strong>
Where more than one of the cases below applies, the order of precedence is: 0 > Bronze > Silver > 1.
Clarify this, please? It's less than clear to me.

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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 06:50:52 am »
<strong>Post-level messages</strong>
Where more than one of the cases below applies, the order of precedence is: 0 > Bronze > Silver > 1.
Clarify this, please? It's less than clear to me.

When more than one criterion from the list is satisfied, the game needs a tiebreaker to determine what message to print.

Example: 6 lemmings at start, you may lose 0, you save 2. This qualifies for both G-4 (Silver) and S-1 (Bronze). Since, in the precendence list "0 > Bronze > Silver > 1", Bronze comes before Silver, the game prints the flavor text for S-1 (Bronze).

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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2017, 10:58:45 am »
The precedence list is incomplete, and should read:
0 > Gold > Bronze > Silver > 1.

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Re: Post-level messages, awards and game completion
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2017, 08:39:12 pm »
Here are the messages for 3D Lemmings:

Personal Record Messages: The game keeps track of your best score and time on each level (except the practice levels).  If you complete a level, and subsequently complete it again with a better score or time, you will receive one of these messages.  These messages supersede the standard messages.
Improved Score: Wow! You beat your record.
Improved Time: Impressive! You were quicker than before.

If you improve both the score and the time, you will receive the Improved Score message.

Standard Level Completion Messages:
If you save every lemming: You can’t get much better than that.
If you save more than the requirement, but not all lemmings: You’ve played this level Before.
If you meet the requirement exactly: That’s exactly what we thought.
If you fall between 1 and 3 lemmings short of the requirement: So Near. But Yet So Far.
If you save at least 2 lemmings, but fall more than 3 short of the requirement: Oh well. Maybe next time.
If you save exactly one lemming: The lone Lemming
If you save no lemmings: Nuke them Lemm’s.

Practice Level Completion Message: When you complete all of the Practice levels, you will receive this message:
Well Done! You Are Now A Fully Qualified Lemming Handler

Rating Completion Messages: After completing the final level of any rating, you will get the standard completion screen, followed by a screen that says:

Congratulations! You Have Completed The [Rating] Levels

where [Rating] is either "Fun", "Tricky", "Taxing", or "Mayhem".  This screen also displays the number of attempts, lemmings killed, lemmings saved, and time used while competing the rating.  After this screen, a cutscene will play.

Game Completion Message: After completing the final Mayhem level and viewing the Rating Completion Message and cutscene, you will receive a message that says:
THE END
Thank You For Playing 3D Lemmings

This screen also displays how many of each skill you used in the game.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2017, 08:44:26 pm by LemSteven »