Family Feud 2014

[Quizmaster]

Hello nice people,

let's celebrate the retrieval of the Quizmaster account!



This works like the Family Feud game a year ago.

Everybody shall participate! Look at the newest challenge of this thread and send your answers via personal message to the quizmaster.

Do not answer the questions in this post -- this is an old challenge!

For each family feud question, you get (participants with your answer) / (number of votes the most popular answer got) points. So, try to answer with the most popular answer:

1. Are you happy that the Quizmaster is back?
2. Name a food that bunnies eat.
3. Guess an ingredient in today's cooked dinner of geoo and Simon!
4. What equipment does Snyder's of Hanover (a snack company) use to turn pretzels into pretzel pieces?
5. Name a shape with three sides that is not a square.
6. Which Lemmings 2 tribe would you like to join? Here's the map.
7. Which of the following capybara gentlemen is the most dapper?



These questions have their own scoring scheme:

8. It's a conga line! Let's celebrate the quizmaster. Name a forum member (except Quizmaster) to put your hands on his shoulders. You get 0.3 points for every person in front of you in your component of the conga line. If you manage to close a cycle, you get a bonus of 0.5 points.

9. What does the quizmaster depicted in the avatar weigh in kilograms? Closest guesser to the average gets 1.0 point, next gets 0.8 points, then 0.6, then 0.4, then 0.2. If players tie, their placings and points are shared.

10. Guess a whole number between 0 and 9 inclusive. You get 1.0 point if you're closest to 2/3 of the average, 0.8 for the next place, etc., and ties are handled as in the previous question.

You can change your answers by submitting a new PM before the game ends.

This game runs for a couple days, and results will be posted when I believe no more answers will come in.

-- Quizmaster

[ccexplore]

Cool!   You should probably give it a few more extra days though to account for the ongoing MUMS puzzle thing.

[mobius]

in the event of a tie, we should move to a bonus round called SUDDEN DEATH where the tied members play a pick-a-number type of game which cannot end in a tie.
Or, like in the real family feud, go back to the original questions but the contestants must now pick new answers.

[ccexplore]

For question 8, is it possible to earn the 0.5 bonus points by choosing to put your hands on your own shoulders to form a degenerate cycle of 1?

[Simon]

Yes, cycles of 1 award 0.5 points.

The number of people in front of you is calculated like this: Point to yourself, loop this: advance the pointer, if pointing to (nobody or yourself or already pointed-to person): break; otherwise score += 0.3; end loop. So the trivial cycle is not worth any points in the loop, only the 0.5 bonus.

If the path from you eventually leads to a cycle that doesn't contain yourself, you don't get the 0.5 bonus, since you're not part of the cycle. You get full points for everybody in front of you (including those in the cycle) still.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Thanks for clarifying.

And I feel the need to emphasize to everyone that just because I brought it up doesn't mean it's the answer I plan to give for that question.  I do plan to touch someone else so please don't avoid me thinking I'll do the self-touch thing.  (Yes, risqué wording intentional.)

[ccexplore]

*Bump* given my previous post's proximity to a forum outage.

For question 8 I do not plan to answer with the solo conga, despite my public question about it (which I rather regret now).

[Quizmaster]

13 people have participated, of which Yassin and Stephan are real-life friends of mine. They have visited me while geoo is here this week.

1. Are you happy that the quizmaster is back?
yes: 1 point -- everybody

Quote by Insane Steve: "1) Yea, obviously (easiest question in forum history?)"

2. Name a food that bunnies eat.
carrots: 1 point -- Simon, geoo, Ramon, Akseli, Yassin, möbius, Steve, ccexplore, Stephan, Clam
grass/hay: 1/5 point -- NaOH, Rubix
Lettuce: 1/10 point -- Matt

3. Guess an ingredient in today's cooked dinner of geoo and Simon!
wurst: 1 point -- geoo, NaOH, Rubix, Matt, Yassin
noodles/ramen/pasta: 4/5 points -- Simon, Akseli, möbius, Steve
ham: 2/5 points -- ccexplore, Clam
clams: 1/5 point -- Ramon
rice: 1/5 point -- Stephan

That day's menu was noodles with cubed ham, leek, creme fraiche, and curry. Delicious and not too wursty, even though wurst has won. Leek is a good ingredient in many meals. Use it wisely!

4. What equipment does Snyder's of Hanover (a snack company) use to turn pretzels into pretzel pieces?
hammer: 1 point -- geoo, Clam
rolling pin: 1/2 points -- Simon
factory: 1/2 points -- NaOH
Large Hadron Collider: 1/2 points -- Rubix
pretzel twister (with "?" smiley): 1/2 points -- Matt
knife: 1/2 points -- Ramon
teeth: 1/2 points -- Akseli
clam: 1/2 points -- Yassin
pass: 1/2 points -- möbius
weight trap from L1: 1/2 points -- Steve
machines: 1/2 points -- ccexplore
grinder: 1/2 points -- Stephan

geoo and me consider the LPC (large pretzel collider) the best answer. Unfortunately, it's worth just half a point, like almost everything.

Akseli, bon appetit! (for answering teeth)

möbius, what is a pass in this context?

Steve, the 10-ton weight is better suited for making flour from the pretzels, instead of making pretzel pieces.

5. Name a shape with three sides that is not a square.
triangle: 1 point -- everyone

I wanted to lure people into answering rectangle. Nobody has bitten!

6. Which Lemmings 2 tribe would you like to join? Here's the map.
beach: 1 point -- NaOH, Ramon, Clam
circus: 1 point -- Yassin, möbius, Steve
space: 2/3 points -- Simon, geoo
outdoor: 2/3 points -- Rubix, Akseli
egyptian: 1/3 point -- Matt
classic: 1/3 point -- ccexplore
highland: 1/3 point -- Stephan

geoo doesn't understand ccexplore picking Classic. Why would anyone want to be in the tribe that uses exploders and saves the fewest for gold?

7. Which of the following capybara gentlemen is the most dapper?
right one: 1 point -- Simon, geoo, Akseli, möbius, Stephan, Clam
left/central one: 1 point -- NaOH, Rubix, Ramon, Yassin, Steve, ccexplore
front/bottom one: 1/6 point -- Matt

Quote by ccexplore: "the leftmost one [ie. the one with its right hand placed on neck/shoulder of the middle one--perhaps an attempt to start a conga line?]"

Quote by Steve: "The middle one, I mean LOOK AT HOW CASUAL HE SIPS THAT MARTINI, LOOK AT THAT I MEAN"

8. It's a conga line! Let's celebrate the quizmaster. Name a forum member (except Quizmaster) to put your hands on his shoulders. You get 0.3 points for every person in front of you in your component of the conga line. If you manage to close a cycle, you get a bonus of 0.5 points.



9. What does the quizmaster depicted in the avatar weigh in kilograms? Closest guesser to the average gets 1.0 point, next gets 0.8 points, then 0.6, then 0.4, then 0.2. If players tie, their placings and points are shared.

9 kg -- Matt
40 kg -- Yassin
70 kg -- Clam
72 kg -- Rubix
86 kg -- ccexplore (1 point)
87 kg -- Ramon (0.8 points)
88 kg -- Akseli (0.6 points)
89 kg -- Simon (0.4 points)
90 kg -- geoo (0.2 points)
91 kg -- Stephan
99 kg -- NaOH
100 kg -- Steve
200 kg -- möbius

Despite strange guesses with 8.5 kg and 200 kg, the average is 86.2 kg. We've rounded the values to full kilograms, but the placings and thus the point payoffs would have remained the same if the exact values had been used.

ccexplore has picked for his guess the American average weight. It has worked out nicely. We have a representative sample of the American population!

10. Guess a whole number between 0 and 9 inclusive. You get 1.0 point if you're closest to 2/3 of the average, 0.8 for the next place, etc., and ties are handled as in the previous question.

1 -- Simon, geoo, NaOH, Yassin (0.15 points each)
2 -- Ramon, ccexplore (0.9 points each)
3 -- Akseli (0.6 points)
4 -- Stephan
5 -- Rubix, möbius
6 -- Matt
7 -- Steve
8() -- Clam

The average is 3.5, and 2/3 of this is 2.3, making 2 the winning guess.

Total scores

7.52 -- geoo
7.50 -- Ramon
7.45 -- Yassin
7.36 -- Akseli
7.23 -- ccexplore
6.72 -- Simon
6.40 -- möbius
6.30 -- Clam
6.05 -- NaOH
5.80 -- Steve
5.27 -- Rubix
5.23 -- Stephan
5.13 -- Matt

Congratulations geoo! Clam picking your tool for crushing the Snyder's did it for you. It's hammer time!

-- Quizmaster

[Ramon]

Wow I actually didn't realize question 9 was an "average" question as well  I seriously looked at the avatar and analyzed his body parts to come to a realistic conclusion 

Also just missed geoo by 0.02 points, I'm gonna catch up next time 

[ccexplore]

Hey Simon, did you score me at all on question 4 (answer "machines")?   I better have my 1/2 point there like everyone else.

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I was under the impression that people here don't pay much attention or care for Lemmings 2 so Classic seems like a safe if boring choice.  I'm glad I'm wrong though.  And I'd argue that since we only know of 3 tribes that made it to Lemmings 3, the rest's fates are technically unknown and so Classic (along with Egyptian and Shadow) would be good choices in that regards.

I'm curious whether mobius' 200 kg is due to forgetting the answer is in kg not pounds.  Then again in the land of obesity maybe it's not all that extreme a guess (and isn't Mobius from the Southern parts of US known for frying everything)?

[Simon]

Hi cc, I've added your entry for that question in the results post. Everybody but the 1-point-scorers got 1/2 point for that in my manual addition, so the totals were correct.

-- Simon

[chaos_defrost]

200kg is a bit less than 441 lbs. I know for a fact there's a lot of people who weigh more than that. A bit surprised at the low guesses there, I mean those broad shoulders 

Also there's no room in the get out conga point (you can't make a defined line with only one point) for anyone else because if they were they'd be told to get out obviously.

[mobius]

4. I should've got a 0 technically, becuase "pass" meant I wasn't answering--I couldn't think of anything, even a funny answer. I did eventually think of a good answer but it was too late.

7. Right one is top answer because he stands out/ doesn't overlap the others as much and your eye is drawn to him first.

9. mobius doesn't have any idea how many pounds=kilograms. I got confused remembering that the "gram" the middle/standard mesurment is ridiculously small and over-componsated.

mobius is not from the southern parts of the U.S actually. I would've guessed a lower weight if I was unlazy enough to look up kilograms. Considering the quizmaster has no legs...

[ccexplore]

Is next round coming up anytime soon?

[Simon]

If anyone wants to host one, he can get the password.

Otherwise I'll host a round of mafia with geoo's rules: Including exploders, who are evil along with the mafia, but don't know who the mafia is; they may instant-kill anybody at day and die along with them.

-- Simon

[geoo]

I'm personally am fine with either, so I'll be away for a bit in about 2.5 weeks meaning that if we want to play a mafia round, it should start rather sooner than later for me to be able to participate.

[Simon]

Translated email comment from Stephan on the results: "How do they arrive at 86 kilograms for the quizmaster? The guy is a giant with shoulders like a wardrobe closet!"

I'd favor one or two quizmaster rounds instead of the mafia game -- 2.5 weeks sound like a tricky time should the game take longer than 2 day discussions. Hm, on the other hand, geoo's rules sound as if the mafia game will be over by then...

-- Simon

[mobius]

I can host a new quiz game, or give somebody else a bunch of questions to use.

somebody send me the excel sheet with the ready-to-go formula. I don't have any complicated questions in mind.

[Simon]

PM with Quizmaster password sent to möbius!

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Family Feud 2014 ROUND 2

For each question, unless otherwise stated, your task is to pick the most popular answer. If more people pick the same thing you did you will get more points. PM the quizmaster with your answers. You may change your answers before the game ends.

1. Name a word that rhymes with BOAT.

2. Name a four sided shape OTHER than square.

3. Name a star OTHER than our sun.

4. State something you can say about your house but NOT about your spouse/lover.

5. Name an object the size of the quizmaster's head.

6. Name the most memorable Oh No More Lemmings level?

7. If you were given 1 billion dollars right now, what is the first thing you would purchase?

8. KING OF THE CASTLE
For this question you must pick 1 forum member to be most popular and become the king of the castle, you may pick yourself. Just like the normal questions you will get more points if you pick a member most others picked.
However; if the most picked member is a player in this game; half a point we be deducted from their score.

9. Pick a number between 1 and 9 inclusive. If no one else picks your number you will receive 1 point. Your score will get smaller if more people pick the same number as you.

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The game will close in a few days. If the outcome is a tie between two or more players, those players may be asked to play a short tie-breaker game of Sudden Death.

[Clam]

Can you explain the scoring for 8 and 9 please? This may affect the strategy

(Guessing it's the usual 1/#players method)

[Quizmaster]

8. is the same as the normal questions. It just has the extra aspect of the person who "wins" gets a half point (0.5) deducted, if they are part of the game that is. If they aren't then nothing happens.

-If two or more people end up sharing title of "king of the castle" all those will be deducted the points

9.
-If no one else picks your number you will receive 1 point. If two people pick the same number, both will get 0.5 point. If three people pick the same number all those will get 0.33. If four, 0.25. If five, 0.2. If 6, 0.16 etc..
-If everyone ends up picking the same number everyone will get 5000 points! no points..

I also want to clarify question 4 for reasons:
4. State something you can say about your house but NOT about your spouse/lover. As in write something you could literally say in a conversation about your house but not about your spouse/lover.

[NaOH]

Wait, so, rational and real numbers are allowed? Or do they have to be integers?

Treaty of Versailles would indicate the numbers self-determine who picks them, rather than the other way around.

[Quizmaster]

This game has ended everybody, thank your for playing.

9 people played in this game, let's see what the survey said........

1. Name a word that rhymes with BOAT. Survey said:

float: 1 -- Clam; 0.33
goat: 2 -- Simon, NaOH; 0.67
moat: 3 -- geoo, Timballisto, Rubix: 1
coat: 3 -- Akseli, LemSteven, ccx: 1

COAT and MOAT were tied for the number one answer!


2. Name a four sided shape OTHER than square. Survey said:

rhombus: 1 -- LemSteve: 0.125

RECTANGLE was the number 1 answer! -- (everyone else): 1


3. Name a star OTHER than our sun. Survey said:

Vega: 1 -- Rubix: 0.25
Polairs(North Star): 1 -- LemSteven: 0.25
Proxima Centauri: 3 -- Simon, Akseli, Clam: 0.75

ALPHA CENTAURI was the number 1 answer! 4 -- geoo, NaOH, Timballisto, ccx: 1


4. State something you can say about your house but NOT about your spouse/lover.

existence: 1 -- Simon: 0.5
it can be purchased 1 -- geoo: 0.5
area 1 -- Akseli: 0.5
made of bricks 1 -- LemSteven: 0.5
it's warm 1 -- NaOH: 0.5
it's big 1 -- Timballisto: 0.5
dirty 1 -- Rubix: 0.5

LOOKS OLD/IT'S OLD (LIKE YOUR MOM) was the number 1 answer. 2 -- ccx, Clam: 1

-your lover could be warm and dirty, and purchased in some places of the world. Big too, but these are all things that may have great consequences if you let your spouse/lover know openly.
-I don't know what to make of existence and area, I hope they understood the question?
-Clam gets minus 2 ghost chips for insulting the quizmaster's mother.


5. Name an object the size of the quizmaster's head. Survey said:

football 1 -- geoo: 0.333
helmet 1 -- Akseli: 0.333
bowling ball 1 -- LemSteven: 0.333
BEACH BUCKET 1 -- Rubix: 0.333
basketball 2 -- Simon, Timallisto: 0.667

PORCUPINE was the number 1 answer. 3 -- NaOH, ccx, Clam: 1


6. Name the most memorable Oh No More Lemmings level?

thunder lemmings are go 1 -- Simon: 0.333
Look before you leap: 1 -- LemSteven: 0.333
Lemming Tomato Ketchup Factory* 1 -- Timballisto: 0.333
down and out lemmings 3 -- geoo, Akseli, Clam: 1
Introducing Superlemming! 3 -- NaOH, ccx, Rubix: 1

DOWN AND OUT LEMMMINGS and INTRODUCING SUPERLEMMING! were tied as the number 1 answer!

*It's actually Facility, but judges would've excepted this anyway.



7. If you were given 1 billion dollars right now, what is the first thing you would purchase?

wurst 1 -- NaOh: 0.2
copyrights to the Lemmings franchise 1 -- LemSteve: 0.2
yacht 1 -- Clam: 0.2

HOUSE was the number 1 answer. 5 people guessed correctly-- Simon, geoo, Akseli, Timallisto, Rubix: 1

Clam said a Yacht is required for real billionaire member status. Not, apparently, for winning at Family Feud.
LemSteven definitely gave the smartest answer as a true Lemmings fan. 


8. KING OF THE CASTLE
For this question you must pick 1 forum member to be most popular and become the king of the castle, you may pick yourself. Just like the normal questions you will get more points if you pick a member most others picked.
However; if the most picked member is a player in this game; half a point we be deducted from their score.

GuyPerfect 1 -- LemSteven: 0.333
Clam 1 -- Clam: 0.333
geoo 2 -- Simon, Timballisto: 0.667
Giga 2 -- ccx, Rubix: 0.667

A last minute change from geoo made CCEXPLORE take the title of KING OF THE CASTLE.
voted on by 3 people: geoo, Akseli and NaOH -- each receiving 1 point.

But the title of King of the Castle comes at a price: As promised; ccx receive a 0.5 point deduction.


9. Pick a Number
Pick a number between 1 and 9 inclusive. If no one else picks your number you will receive 1 point. Your score will get smaller if more people pick the same number as you. Only intergers were allowed.

the number 5 was picked three times by Simon, Timballisto and Clam: 0.333
the number 2 was picked twice by geoo and Akseli: 0.5
the number 8 was picked twice by LemSteven and Rubix: 0.5
the number 6 was picked twice by NaOH and ccx: 0.5

Nobody's number was picked only once. Great minds think alike?

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Let's see how we all did............

ccexplore scored the highets with a 7.37 but - 0.5 the decuction = 6.87 making....

1. geoo = 7.33
2. Akseli = 7.08
3. NaOH and ccexplore TIED at 3rd place with 6.87
4. Timballisto = 6.50
5. Rubix = 6.25
6. Clam = 5.95
7. Simon = 5.92
8. LemSteven = 3.58

and it seems geoo has a cutthroat strategy that paid off, putting him up top, usurping ccexplore. Congratulations geoo!

If you need to, please refute scores in posts below

Join us next time for your chance to win 20,000 dollars!!!!!!! 

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Let your quizmaster know if you would like to be a quizmaster in the future! He will email the password to you.

[ccexplore]

gg; I totally failed to grasp the scoring on 8 and thought the 0.5 deduction gets applied to the people who voted for the King, rather than the King him/herself.

Rather surprised "moat" tied "coat" for question 1.

For question 4, to me "existence" and "area" seems pretty similar kind of answers as "made of bricks"-- if it helps, think of those answers as "he/she/it exists" (ie. I only have one and not the other) and "It makes sense to talk about the house's area".

[NaOH]

I've barely played the original ONML, so I named the only level I'd ever heard mentioned. (Although apparently its name contains a spelling error: "Inroducing Superlemming!")

I thought "goat" would be a winner for sure.

3. Name a star OTHER than our sun.

From IRC:

<Clam> like in Sid Meier's Alpha Clamtauri

I very nearly submitted that as an answer. Centauri won out in the end. I'm surprised Clam didn't put down Alpha Centauri, too, though.

7. If you were given 1 billion dollars right now, what is the first thing you would purchase?

wurst 1 -- NaOh: 0.2
copyrights to the Lemmings franchise 1 -- LemSteve: 0.2
yacht 1 -- Clam: 0.2

HOUSE was the number 1 answer. 5 people guessed correctly-- Simon, geoo, Akseli, Timallisto, Rubix: 1

Clam said a Yacht is required for real billionaire member status. Not, apparently, for winning at Family Feud.
LemSteven definitely gave the smartest answer as a true Lemmings fan. 

Did ccexplore not answer this?

[Simon]

I found the feud questions quite hard, here are the comments from the entry.

1. goat (I wanted to guess "load", but people will probably not follow suit because it ends with "d" unlike "boat" in the written, not spoken, question.)
2. rectangle
3. Proxima Centauri (This is hard. Sirius is the brightest, and Alpha Centauri is larger than Proxima, but Proxima is closest and a namesake on these forums.)
4. existence
5. basketball (I'm tempted to guess the quizmaster's head itself, which is most obvious, but I fear not everyone will think of that.) Porcupine, from the avatar, is a very fine answer, obvious in hindsight.
6. Tame 13 = Thunder-Lemmings are Go
7. a house
8. geoo (He likes to pick himself for these questions, and people don't want him to win two games in a row! This should pay off not too shabbily.)
9. number 5

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

I thought "goat" would be a winner for sure.

Me too!  "coat" makes sense alphabetically, and then "goat" is pretty much the next thing that came to my mind.  I guess we have a lot of fans of castles here?

3. Proxima Centauri (This is hard. Sirius is the brightest, and Alpha Centauri is larger than Proxima, but Proxima is closest and a namesake on these forums.)

Wow, and here I was worrying that some people might not even know Alpha Centauri (so Polaris was actually a 2nd choice for me).  I have to admit I don't even know off top my head Sirius is brightest, nor was I aware that Proxima Centauri is actually closest (thought it was Alpha) and had to clear that up with Wikipedia.

7. If you were given 1 billion dollars right now, what is the first thing you would purchase?

Did ccexplore not answer this?

I answered "my own private island".  Honestly, people, think big!!!!

And yeah, seems like a recurring theme this year with the results post always forgetting one of my answers. However, I checked the math afterwards and the 7.37/6.87 did include 0.2 on that question, so all's well.

[ccexplore]

1. goat (I wanted to guess "load", but people will probably not follow suit because it ends with "d" unlike "boat" in the written, not spoken, question.)

That seems like German way of thinking?   At least the way I learned English, the final "d" and "t" sounds are different.  Though I don't know how much that matters for rhyming.

[Clam]

* various comments of the form "I'm sure I had the best answer to question ##" *

I must start writing these quizzes again

edit: written up most of a quiz since making this post 8()

[geoo]

I have to say Q8 is a bit unfair towards more popular players. I initially thought the question would be scored as ccx understood it, but then I re-read it and submitted a different answer. So ccx just lost by popularity (and maybe no understanding the question correctly, maybe he would have picked me then).

Q7 I went for house because it appears in Q4 (in reality I'd probably purchase a plane ticket or something, or just browse kickstarter), and in Q4 I went for 'can be purchased' because that's what happens in Q7 (my initial thought was existence as well, but I thought I'd not be the only one liking cross references). I'd say I picked 'moat' in Q1 because Q8 is about the king of the castle, but actually it was just the first word that sprang to mind.

As for the star from Q3 I thought of Polaris, Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri, and managed to pick the most popular of the three (after verifying that the Centauris were in fact stars and not Galaxies; I just knew that Proxima was the closest one, hinted at by its name).

That seems like German way of thinking?   At least the way I learned English, the final "d" and "t" sounds are different.  Though I don't know how much that matters for rhyming.

I was talking about this with NaOH on mumble earlier, wondering how someone could consider boat rhyming in something ending in d. So no, not German thinking.

[ccexplore]

So ccx just lost by popularity (and maybe no understanding the question correctly, maybe he would have picked me then).

I might've also set myself up to fail there simply by being the first person who asked about round 2.

Had I understood the scoring, I think I might more likely pick the QuizMaster (under the apparently false assumption of likely participation), which looks like would've been worse choice for me score-wise.  Then again, looking at the answers there were two other persons (possibly three--Clam picked himself ) who like me probably misunderstood how the question was to be scored, so who knows how things would go had everyone understood the scoring.

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Interesting to see some of the thought process btw, some of the answers made a lot more sense now when you consider someone who actually read through all the questions first, and then try to answer them accounting for possible influences from other questions.

[LemSteven]

My brain froze on Question 2.  I was torn between rhombus and parallelogram and completely forgot about the obvious rectangle!

Question 6 was a toss-up for me between the first and last levels, and I picked the wrong one.  I didn't even think of Superlemming.

I misread Question 8, thinking that if I picked someone who played this game, I would lose the points.  That's what happens when you're worn out after a long work week.

Finally, I don't care that nobody else said it; I still think my answer to Question 7 was best. 

[mobius]

aw,  sorry I missed ccxeploes one answer-- the private island, that was a good answer.

also sorry question 8 was so difficult to understand for everyone, though I really don't understand why--it seemed pretty simple to me.  I don't know how I could've worded it better.

also rhombus is one of my favorite shapes

[ccexplore]

also sorry question 8 was so difficult to understand for everyone, though I really don't understand why--it seemed pretty simple to me.  I don't know how I could've worded it better.

It's okay, I think you did a fair job clarifying the question, especially in response to NaOH's request for clarification.  I'll admit I just thought from the outset I understood question 8, and didn't really bother to read your clarification reply. (And even had I read it, I have a feeling I might have still misunderstood it.)  Maybe because it's so close to normal feud scoring, people are more likely to only think about their answers affecting their own scores, as oppose to also directly affecting someone else's as in this case.  I guess if you had explicitly mentioned with bolded text that the penalty is not being applied to the people casting the votes it'd help, but that would've only happened had it occurred to you that it's a likely misinterpretation.  Since you came up with the question and scoring in the first place, it is understandable that you would be the last person to have predicted such misinterpretations.

And ultimately part of the fun of the Feud is to illicit "dumb" answers, right? Mission accomplished!

[Clam]

looking at the answers there were two other persons (possibly three--Clam picked himself ) who like me probably misunderstood how the question was to be scored

I understood the question, but then went on to vastly overestimate the number of votes I'd get


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As mentioned, I've got a set of questions mostly written up, so barring any unexpected holdups (or objections) I'll have Round 3 up later tonight

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to Round 3! Enter or get munched! Enter and get munched anyway (see below)! PM your answers to Quizmaster, not Clam. 8()

Questions 1 to 7 use standard Family Feud scoring: you get (participants with your answer) / (number of votes the most popular answer got) points. Questions 8 to 10 have different methods of scoring.

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QUESTIONS

1. Name a word that rhymes with 'rhyme'.
2. Name a hair colour that is uncommon among humans.
3. Name a piece of attire that a lemming would look good in, in addition to his blue shirt.
4. You tire of rodents and decide to keep pet birds instead. What type of bird do you adopt?
5. You find 5 Euros (or equivalent in your currency) on the street, and wish to use it to buy the largest possible quantity of a single type of food. What do you buy?

6. Dumb Ways To Die, so many dumb ways to die! Which of the Dumb Ways to Die is the dumbest?

• Set fire to your hair
• Poke a stick at a grizzly bear
• Eat medicine that's out of date
• Use your private parts as piranha bait
• Get your toast out with a fork
• Do your own electrical work
• Teach yourself how to fly
• Eat a two-week-old unrefrigerated pie
• Invite a psycho killer inside
• Scratch a drug dealer's brand new ride
• Take your helmet off in outer space
• Use a clothes dryer as a hiding place
• Keep a rattlesnake as a pet
• Sell both your kidneys on the Internet
• Eat a tube of superglue
• I wonder, what's this red button do?
• Dress up like a moose during hunting season
• Disturb a nest of wasps for no good reason
• Stand on the edge of a train station platform
• Drive around the boom gates at a level crossing
• Run across the tracks between the platforms

7. Let's Play Mousecraft! Mice can climb up walls one block high, and you place tetris pieces on the level to help them past obstacles.

Choose a block place to get you over this obstacle. Blocks are labeled according to the usual tetris notation.




--- Non-standard scoring follows ---

8. 8() vs 8:()[

Choose whether to be munched by the clam 8() or the frog 8:()[. Because you don't want to get munched in with too many other people, scoring is the reverse of normal Family Feud questions: your score is (number of people who didn't pick your answer / number of people who picked the most popular answer).


9. PUZZLE TIIIME!

It's time for the inaugural Lemmings Forums Puzzlehunt! There are four puzzles, and you have to work together to solve them. The hunt doesn't run for very long though, so you can only work on one puzzle. If you solve the puzzle, you share the points equally with everyone else who worked on it. Puzzles are as follows:

The Easy Puzzle: Takes 1 person to solve, worth 1 point.
The Medium Puzzle: Takes 2 people to solve, worth 2 points.
The Hard Puzzle: Takes 3 people to solve, worth 3 points.
The Metapuzzle: Takes 1 person to solve, worth 1 point which you don't have to share (i.e. if you're on the Metapuzzle and it gets solved, you score 1 point). However, you need the answers to all the other puzzles before you can solve it. Therefore, if any of the first 3 puzzles aren't solved, you score zero.


10. MAFIA

As in the popular forum game, you play as either the evil Mafia or the innocent Town. In a normal game you get assigned randomly to a team. But in this game, you get to choose which team you're on!

Your score is the probability that your team will win, based on the number who choose to be on each team (with certain assumptions that I won't explain here - but note that it's much more Mafia-friendly than our forum games so far).

If you don't understand this game, don't panic! To help you check out the possible outcomes, there's a handy table here:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Numbers,_Part_1
and a calculator here (set Start = 1, Votechance = 0, and leave Nightless unchecked):
http://games-net.de/hosted/tggc/trash/mafiacalc.php

I will enter into the calculator the number of Mafia and Town players we end up with. Town players score (townwin/100), and Mafia players score (1 - townwin/100).

There's one catch though. If too many people choose Mafia (equal to or greater than (Town - 1)) the Mafia win straight away. But for Family Feud purposes, this disqualifies you (since everyone would pick Mafia otherwise), so in this case Town players get 1 point while the Mafia get zero. For storyline purposes, imagine the Mafia fight over who to kill first and end up killing each other


---


You can change your answers by submitting a new PM before the game ends.

This game runs for a couple days, and results will be posted when I believe no more answers will come in.

-- Quizmaster

[Quizmaster]

Because Question 10 is too hard, here's a table of the possible scores for up to 10 players.

Colour-coding:
Green: no mafia, town wins.
White: legitimate game, either team can win.
Yellow: too many mafia, town wins by default.

[Quizmaster]

Nine people chose to be munched this round. The rest will be munched in due course 8()


1. Name a word that rhymes with 'rhyme'.
time (1) - RubiX, NaOH, ccexplore, möbius, Nepster, Timballisto
thyme (0.33) - geoo, Simon
synonyme (0.17) - Akseli

It's all a matter of t(i|hy)me. Well, almost.


2. Name a hair colour that is uncommon among humans.
green (1) - everyone

A sensible choice by all, since the following question is explicitly about Lemmings.


3. Name a piece of attire that a lemming would look good in, in addition to his blue shirt.
hat (1) - möbius, Akseli
top hat (1) - NaOH, Simon
shorts (0.5) - RubiX
green shirt (0.5) - ccexplore
tie (0.5) - geoo
umbrella (0.5) - Nepster
sunglasses (0.5) - Timballisto

Note that according to the original rules, top hat is a subclass of hat so they can't be lumped together.


4. You tire of rodents and decide to keep pet birds instead. What type of bird do you adopt?
parrot (1) - NaOH, möbius, Nepster, Akseli, Timballisto
emu (0.2) - Rubix
kiwi (0.2) - ccexplore
raven (0.2) - geoo
Drillbird (0.2) - Simon ("DRILLBIRD WILL KILL YOUR FAMILY by digging in your holding pit!")

No love for chickens . They really are superb pets!


5. You find 5 Euros (or equivalent in your currency) on the street, and wish to use it to buy the largest possible quantity of a single type of food. What do you buy?
ramen (1) - NaOH, geoo, möbius, Timballisto
wurst (0.5) - Simon, Akseli
popcorn kernels (0.25) - RubiX
noodles/pasta (0.25) - ccexplore
rice (0.25) - Nepster

Wurst is a staple food in these parts, more so than rice!


6. Dumb Ways To Die, so many dumb ways to die! Which of the Dumb Ways to Die is the dumbest?
Take your helmet off in outer space (1) - RubiX, möbius, Timballisto
I wonder, what's this red button do? (1) - NaOH, Nepster, Akseli
Use your private parts as piranha bait (0.33) - ccexplore
Sell both your kidneys on the internet (0.33) - geoo
Disturb a nest of wasps for no good reason (0.33) - Simon

Also dumb would be to walk into a giant clam on the beach... but that didn't stop some of you 8()


7. Let's Play Mousecraft! Choose a block place to get you over this obstacle.
O (1) - RubiX, NaOH, geoo, Nepster, Akseli
Z (0.4) - ccexplore, Timballisto
I (0.2) - Simon
J (0.2) - möbius

Of course, any one of the blocks will do the job. But O "just fits".


8. 8() vs 8:()[
8() (0.8 ) - NaOH, ccexplore, Nepster, Akseli, Timballisto
8:()[ (1) - RubiX, geoo, Simon, möbius

Close one, but the clam cla(i)ms the larger portion 8()


9. PUZZLE TIIIME!
Easy (1) - RubiX
Medium (1) - NaOH, Timballisto
Hard (0.75) - geoo, möbius, Nepster, Akseli
Meta (1) - ccexplore, Simon

We solved all the puzzles! Unfortunately we still placed only 23rd in the hunt. /inside joke


10. MAFIA
Mafia (0) - RubiX, ccexplore, geoo, Timballisto
Town (1) - NaOH, Simon, möbius, Nepster, Akseli



The mafia plot their kill, after which they would take over the town, but just before they carry it out the Quizmaster comes along and munches them. What a twist!



THE SCOREBOARD
NaOH wins with 9.8 points, just one frogging short of a perfect score!

1. NaOH (9.80)
2. möbius (8.95)
3. Nepster (8.30)
4. Akseli (8.22)
5. Timballisto (7.70)
6. RubiX (6.95)
7. Simon (6.57)
8. geoo (6.12)
9. ccexplore (5.48)


Clampoints
Honourable mentions for entertainment value:

• NaOH for adopting frog twins, in surprise at the metapuzzle being solved
• ccexplore for appreciation of New Zealand's native fauna
• Simon for combining an internet meme and Clones (driller = digger) into a single joke
• Akseli for originality (on Q1)
• Timballisto for humility in munching ("GREETINGS O QUIZ MASTER, I COME HUMBLY BEFORE YOU BEARING ANSWERS TO THY QUESTIONS.")

Thanks for feeding the animals, and ask Clam for the password when you're ready to host!

[Timballisto]

I am once again extraordinarily average.  Can I get points for managing to land in the middle twice?

[ccexplore]

Honourable mentions for entertainment value:

• ccexplore for appreciation of New Zealand's native fauna

Well, that's one mistake I shall never repeat this year.   It's the second time this year my assumption of QuizMaster participation has proven to be an epic failure score-wise.  Parrot would've been my natural choice on that one otherwise.

I guess it's bound to happen eventually but damn, not expecting bottom place by such a large margin.  So many bad choices on normal feud questions.  Good job to NaOH though, that sure was close to perfect.

[NaOH]

Holy b*kldder, I wasn't expecting that!

9. Medium. (If the metapuzzle actually gets solved I will do something drastic, like adopt frog twins.)

I'm flabbergasted that that actually happened. So:

[edit from a year later. Picture is stupid, here are frogs instead now.]



In other news, I'll be Quizmaster next. Expect the list within 24 hours.

[Simon]

First entry in the new round before the quiz is even posted:



I don't have the Lix frog trap here for the corner. :-)

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Having some difficulties speaking without a mouth. Communicating through whiskers isn't easy.

[mobius]

I did much better than last time, yay me.  I didn't even remember that the quizmaster can participate himself when I did it.

on dumb ways to die: many of these deaths are not necessarily that deadly:

Set fire to your hair - loose your hair but not your life

Poke a stick at a grizzly bear - this one is actually pretty believable. I knew a person who allegedly kicked a bear and the bear promptly took his head off in a single swing. 

Use your private parts as piranha bait -- you won't be able to have children any more but good chance of surviving probably?

Do your own electrical work - I knew old man who had no light switch in his basement, he just pinched two wires together... Never heard what happened to him...

Eat a two-week-old unrefrigerated pie -- get sick but probably not die.
   
Take your helmet off in outer space -- that would be incredibly stupid, considering astronauts must automatically be very smart.

Use a clothes dryer as a hiding place -- I don't think most adults fit inside a dryer...

Keep a rattlesnake as a pet -- a lot of people do this. Why?

Sell both your kidneys on the Internet -- you can probably do this legit on Craigslist
   
I wonder, what's this red button do? -- usually the "big red button" is a safety switch that shuts off the electricity to that part of the building.

Dress up like a moose during hunting season -- very dangerous especially if you're in drunken red-neck country. Though they're just as likely to avoid moose and try shooting gas-tanks instead.

Drive around the boom gates at a level crossing- funny story:
my uncle tried to get through before it was coming down once. When it hit the car, the sound scared my aunt and she screamed so for some reason my dumb uncle slammed on the brakes and the car stalled, on the train tracks. They survived... somehow.

[geoo]

Yeah, this round was too hard for me. I'm amazed how NaOH almost got a perfect score, congrats!

I thought thyme would be the prime answer for Q1 as it not only rhymes, but it also has the same ending when written...

I think my brain didn't work for Q2, how could I forget monocle and tophat.

Same for Q4, I wasn't seriously thinking about pets, but more about remarkable or silly birds; a penguin is plump and looks silly, or maybe even a dodo, but then I went with raven as we have it as an avatar here. I don't think either qualifies as a suitable pet...

For Q6 I was pondering between a few: The red button one because it stands out (it's not explicitely written like a thing you can do but a question), but then pressing a red button that you don't know what it does is not such a dumb thing to do. Use your private parts as piranha bait as it was the dumbest one among the earlier few answers. Dress up like a moose during hunting season as it's so bizarre. And the one I picked, sell both your kidneys, as I thought it'd be the most sure-fire way to die.

For Q10 it seems like I was screwed anyway. Had I picked citizen it'd been 0.03 points for me, which is pretty much 0. I was hoping more people would go for the 'safe' townfolk points, ignoring that in most of the scenarios where the mafia don't lose by default the score is close to 0.

[NaOH]

I think my brain didn't work for Q2, how could I forget monocle and tophat.

Name a piece of attire that a lemming would look good in, in addition to his blue shirt.
tie (0.5) - geoo

For the record, a lemming in a tie would be darn cool.

By the way, I will be playing in this next round, even though I'm Quizmaster. Answers are already submitted.

[Quizmaster]

Willkommen to Family Feud Round #4. All questions use standard scoring, except for the bonus. Standard scoring is (participants with your answer) / (number of votes the most popular answer got).

1. What is most dangerous to a lemming?

2. Give an example of something that people have but lemmings do not.

3. Which is your favourite track from Oh No More Lemmings?
Youtube Links for convenience:

Track 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s08dtSrbQk
Track 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_5wo_KSd4k
Track 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VVU6npsQE
Track 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_BFKUTtd90
Track 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGu3XOM9KbE
Track 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M90bhzEITro

4. Are lemmings male, female, or something else? (for "something else" - you can specify, but it won't matter for scoring purposes.)

5. What do lemmings eat?

6. What's your favourite skill from Lemmings 2? (Edit: Thanks to ccexplore for this link to the Lemmings Encyclopedia entry listing all the skills in Lemmings 2, along with a picture and summary.)

Archer Attractor Ballooner Basher Bazooker Blocker Bomber Booter Builder Climber Club-Basher Digger Diver Exploder Fencer Filler Flame-Thrower Floater Glue-Pourer Hang-Glider Hopper Icarus-Wings Jet-Pack Jumper Kayaker Laser-Blaster Magic-Carpet Magno-Boots Mortar Parachute Planter Platformer Pole-Vaulter Rock-Climber Roller Roper Runner Sand-Pourer Scooper Shimmier Skater Skier Slider Spearer Stacker Stomper Super-Lem! Surfer Swimmer Thrower Twister

7. If you got to choose a new tileset for the next official Lemmings game, what would it be? It probably shouldn't be a tileset that has been seen in L1, ONML, L2, L3, etc. (Scoring on this will be lenient.)

8. Please provide the URL to the cutest picture of a real-life lemming that you can find. The following is not a real-life lemming.



(It is a video-game lemming; real life lemmings have fur.)
This is also not a real-life lemming:

                         

Note: Different URLs featuring the same picture or edited versions of the same picture will be considered the same answer for scoring purposes.

9. Which of the following lemmings would you least want to be right now?



10. What has been your favourite Lix Forums Family Feud Question of 2014? Any prior question (From here, here, or here) is valid, any question from this list other than this question is valid, and any future question is valid.

Bonus! Choose another user; one tenth of their score (prior to scoring this question) will be added to your score. However, there's a catch: if anyone else chooses the same user, the score will be split evenly between you. You may choose yourself; the same catch applies.

(ex. if users Alice, Bob, and Charlie all choose Dave, who earns 7.8 points, then Alice, Bob, and Charlie will gave 7.8/30=0.26 points)

As a fallback for if the user you choose doesn't enter, you may list multiple users in order; the first in the list who is playing will be considered for your score. If none are playing, you will be considered to have chosen yourself.

Good luck! (/evil laughter)

[Clam]

Some people have suggested that I should have entered the previous round, which I hosted. I'm not convinced either way.

On the plus side, having the "Quizmaster" play gives one extra participant each game...

but, on the flip side, it's kind of sketchy if the Quizmaster wins the game

Thoughts?

My rationale in this case was that we had plenty of players anyway, and the Quizmaster before me (möbius) didn't enter that round.

(Note to newer players: the person who has the Quizmaster account can legitimately play, by entering their answers at the start of the round and not changing them.)

[ccexplore]

Ultimately it's probably best for the game if it's close to 50-50 whether a QuizMaster participates in his/her own round, otherwise people can strategize around assumptions/probabilities of QuizMaster participation/non-participation (like I've tried in the past, somewhat more successfully in 2013 than 2014 apparently) which may be kinda unfair.

[ccexplore]

6. What's your favourite skill from Lemmings 2?

In case people need it:  The Lemmings Encyclopedia has a page that details all the Lemmings 2 skills, with pictures.

[NaOH]

On the plus side, having the "Quizmaster" play gives one extra participant each game...

but, on the flip side, it's kind of sketchy if the Quizmaster wins the game

So, why not have the Quizmaster contribute to the corpus of answers, but not be given a final score (and thus not be allowed to win.)

[geoo]

I think the Quizmaster should participate, for one to get more submissions, and then so (s)he has to suffer through their questions as well. (See how Clam bailed out of his hard round? This round is a lot easier, except for Q1.) I don't see the issue about cheating, the next quizmaster can check that the previous Quizmaster's submission was really the first and didn't get changed. And few of us would try to cheat in the first place anyway, there's very little motivation really.

Ultimately it's probably best for the game if it's close to 50-50 whether a QuizMaster participates in his/her own round, otherwise people can strategize around assumptions/probabilities of QuizMaster participation/non-participation (like I've tried in the past, somewhat more successfully in 2013 than 2014 apparently) which may be kinda unfair.

I don't get this point, for the regulars in this game you can say with 98% anyway that they'll participate, so why not about the Quizmaster. Also if you get the chance to submit a list of players that gets traversed linearly until there's a player that participates (like in the bonus question of this round), then frequent participation makes players stand out even less against the rest.

[Simon]

I'm still believing that BOAT rhymes with LOAD; you don't pronounce the T as hard as inside a word, do you?

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Ultimately it's probably best for the game if it's close to 50-50 whether a QuizMaster participates in his/her own round, otherwise people can strategize around assumptions/probabilities of QuizMaster participation/non-participation (like I've tried in the past, somewhat more successfully in 2013 than 2014 apparently) which may be kinda unfair.

I don't get this point, for the regulars in this game you can say with 98% anyway that they'll participate, so why not about the Quizmaster. Also if you get the chance to submit a list of players that gets traversed linearly until there's a player that participates (like in the bonus question of this round), then frequent participation makes players stand out even less against the rest.

So maybe not 50-50, but I still feel like there is a difference between 100% (or 0%) compelled to participate, as oppose to being as much their own free will to participate/not participate as everyone else.  I don't know if it matters as much with normal feud questions, I think in the past it may have more of an effect on non-feud type questions.

Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion either way, though I feel all arguments so far for compelled participation (ie. 100% or 0%) are not that strong, so might as well make it a free choice just like everyone else's choice to participate.

So, why not have the Quizmaster contribute to the corpus of answers, but not be given a final score (and thus not be allowed to win.)

This leads to the interesting possibility of QuizMaster more likely to answer a lot differently than (s)he would as a regular player whose answers actually affect his/here own scoring.  I'm not opposed to it per se, but it's something to point out.

[ccexplore]

I'm still believing that BOAT rhymes with LOAD; you don't pronounce the T as hard as inside a word, do you?

Try this:

http://www.text2speech.org/

It sounds decent enough to my ears to pass for actual human English voice for single words.  Try having it speak the word "font" and the word "fond" and see if you can hear the difference with the final consonant.  It is admittedly subtle, though I doubt native English speakers will have trouble telling the two apart.

Notes:
  - The "MP3 file" link shown after clicking on the "convert..." button only works if you do right-click "save as" and save to a file, then play the file; clicking on link directly doesn't do anything useful.  At least that's the case in IE but maybe it's just IE sucks.
  - I find selecting "American Male 2" for voice type works best for this, but that may be just me.  "American Male 1" is also okay.  Don't do the female one, it sounds fairly unnatural to me.  Note that the voice-type selection resets to "American Male 1" after each and every conversion, so take note if you want to use "Male 2".

========================

Feel free to try other words as well where the consonant appears in middle or start of a word.  I would say that in general as far as I'm taught (or at least as far as my ears are concerned, whatever that means ), the "t" and "d" sounds remain distinct regardless of where they appear in the word, one exception being that in the combination "st<vowel>" the "t" is pronounced like "d" would normally.

[Timballisto]

Huh.  Interesting.  This text to speech thing is pretty amusing.

Yeah, I don't think most people (myself included), at least in the midwest US, would say that boat and load are rhyming words.  South of me the difference might be even more pronounced.  The d in load is held a lot longer than the t is in boat.  If you went north of me though, around Wisconsin and Minnesota, it might be harder to distinguish the t from the d.  Not 100% sure on that one.

Also, I thought what you said about st<vowel> was interesting, so I switched the t out for a d in the word stow and tried saying it.  I also had my dad do it.  There's definitely a difference there for us.

...Phonemes are cool.

[ccexplore]

Yeah, I expect there to be some regional variations; I'm not exactly a particularly well-traveled person.  That's why I mentioned "German way of thinking"--poor phrasing but basically I'm wondering if perhaps in Simon's accent (presumably colored by the German language of which I admittedly know close to nothing) the final "d" and "t" do actually sound the same (or possibly to those speakers they perceive them as same sound).

I may actually have been a little confused with the "st" thing.  Reading up more on Wikipedia, it seems like the difference is that the "t" is "st" is often (there may be some exceptions) unaspirated while normally "t" is aspirated.  In contrast the t/d difference is voiceless vs voiced, even though it is also true that the "d" is generally unaspirated as well (hence my confusion).  This basically means the "t" is "st" is sort of "in-between or mix" the normal t and the normal d sounds rather than being truly one or the other.  In any case, for rhyming purposes we don't care about the initial consonants in a syllable anyhow.   (And AFAIK there is no variance in the final "t" sound for "st" like in "must".)

Anyway, maybe the next feud round can feature some question based on pronunciation (beyond rhyming)......

[Quizmaster]

Results will be up shortly. They're currently being compiled.

[Quizmaster]

Five days have elapsed, so now it's time to look at the results!

Question 1: What is most dangerous to a lemming?

This question was actually originally buried later on, but after some rearrangement it ended up as the first. This was probably a bad idea; it's actually quite an intimidating question!

Water (6/6) Clam, geoo, Ramon, Simon, Timballisto, ccexplore
Cliffs/Heights (2/6) RubiX, möbius
Bomber (1/6) Akseli
The player (1/6) NaOH


Question 2: Give an example of something that people have but lemmings do not.

Intelligence (2/2) Clam, ccexplore
Survival Instinct (1/2) NaOH
Free Will (1/2) Ramon
Nose (1/2) Akseli
Mouth (1/2) geoo ("At least in most of the 90's box art and ingame sprites")
Fingers (1/2) Timballisto
Gender (1/2) Simon
Computers (1/2) RubiX
Money (1/2) möbius


Question 3: Which is your favourite track from Oh No More Lemmings?

Track 5 (4/4) RubiX, NaOH, geoo, ccexplore
Track 3 (2/4) Simon, Clam
Track 4 (2/4) Ramon ("I hate them all."), möbius
Track 2 (1/4) Timballisto
Track 1 (1/4) Akseli (Despite saying many days before this feud over IRC that his favourite was track 5.)


Question 4: Are lemmings male, female, or something else?

Male (5/5) Clam, RubiX, Simon, Timballisto, ccexplore
Something Else (5/5) NaOH, Akseli, geoo, Ramon ("Rodents!"), möbius ("Dinosaurs")

Looks like we're split half-and-half!

Question 5: What do lemmings eat?

Grass (4/4) Clam, RubiX, geoo, möbius
Leaves (1/4) ccexplore
Food (1/4) Timballisto
Nothing (1/4) Ramon
Wurst (1/4) Simon ("I'm pondering whether 'nothing' is better, but wurst seems a safe option" )
Salad (1/4) Akseli
Themselves (1/4) NaOH


Question 6: What's your favourite skill from Lemmings 2?

Jet Pack (2/2) Ramon, möbius
Roper (1/2) geoo
Ballooner (1/2) Clam
Planter (1/2) Simon
Bazooker (1/2) ccexplore
Archer (1/2) Timballisto
Twister (1/2) Akseli
Magno Boots (1/2) RubiX
Club Basher (1/2) NaOH


Question 7: If you got to choose a new tileset for the next official Lemmings game, what would it be? (Marking is lenient.)

Forest/Jungle (3/3) RubiX, geoo, Simon
Underwater (2/3) Clam ("With underwater 'water' like in Spongebob"), Ramon
Occult (2/3) Akseli, ccexplore (The Quizmaster is flattered)
Ruins (1/3) möbius
Desert (1/3) Timballisto
Sky/Cloud (1/3) NaOH


Question 8: Please provide the URL to the cutest picture of a real-life lemming that you can find.


This is the first result on google images searching for "lemming" (4/4) Clam, Akseli, geoo, Ramon


(3/4) RubiX, NaOH, ccexplore


Baby lemming (1/4) Simon


(1/4) möbius


(1/4)Timballisto
(As an aside: this is so adorable that the Quizmaster just squeed.)


Question 9: Which of the following lemmings would you least want to be right now?


The one in the trap (8/8) Clam, RubiX, NaOH, Akseli, geoo, Ramon, Simon, Timballisto
The drowning lemming (1/8) ccexplore
The faller (1/8) möbius

Question 10:

"It's a conga line!" Round one, question eight. (3/3) geoo, Simon, ccexplore
"Which of the following lemmings would you least want to be right now?" The previous question. (1/3) Ramon
"Are you happy that the Quizmaster is back?" Round one, question one. (1/3) Akseli
"PUZZLE TIIIIME!" Round three, question ten. (1/3) Clam
"favorite ONML track" (1/3) möbius ("I want more <listen to this audio aid> questions ")
"Which of these Capybara Gentlemen is most dapper?" Round one, question seven. (1/3) NaOH
"Pick a number between 1 and 9 inclusive. Your score will get smaller if more people pick the same number as you." Round two, question nine. (1/3) Timballisto
"Name a hair colour that is uncommon among humans." Round three, question two. (1/3) RubiX


Bonus:

Note that if you weren't chosen, that's not necessarily an insult -- some people were likely avoided because they were so popular it was predicted other people would choose them too.

Listed in ascending order of payoff:

Timballisto, with 5.42 points (0.18) geoo, Clam, Timballisto
Akseli, with 5.66 points (0.28) Akseli, ccexplore
möbius, with 5.38 points (0.54) möbius
NaOH, with 5.83 points (0.58) RubiX
Ramon, with 7.25 points (0.73) Ramon
RubiX, with 7.42 points  (0.74) Simon
geoo, with 9.00 points (0.90) NaOH

Nobody voted for Clam (8.00 points), ccexplore (7.29 points), or Simon (7.00 points).

Final Scores:

geoo: 9.18
Clam: 8.18
RubiX: 8.16
Ramon: 7.93
Simon: 7.74
ccexplore: 7.57
NaOH: 6.73
Akseli: 5.94
möbius: 5.92
Timballisto: 5.60

Interesting how the two top-scorers selected what was by all accounts the least lucrative bonus option.

Regardless, it seems the bonus hardly affected the rankings -- I feel like this is because the raw scores, especially in the upper echelons, were more spread-out than I anticipated. I recommend in the future that similar questions, rather than scoring based off some arbitrary fraction (one tenth), should score based off the standard deviation of the scores (a measure of how spread-out the scores are), to ensure that regardless of how scores are spread out, such questions are equally important.

Once again, it goes to geoo, our three-time champion! And Clam gets second place, hotly contested by RubiX.

Thanks for playing, everybody! If anybody else wants to be quizmaster again, contact me privately (PM or IRC /msg or email) and I'll send you the account password.

[ccexplore]

Good game, thanks for hosting!

Interesting how so many people picked water for #1.  Personally I remembered a somewhat similar question from one of the Feud 2013 rounds (see question 4 there) and actually looked up its answer, but back then the answers were much more spread out than here.

Question 5 I blame Wikipedia: " title="Angry" class="smiley" />

They are herbivorous, feeding mostly on leaves and shoots, grasses, and sedges in particular, but also on roots and bulbs.

Out of curiosity, what source did you guys used to come up with the winning "grass" answer?   Even Google pointed right back to Wikipedia as the top hit.

Finally, for question 8 for lack of strong feelings, I ended up banking on consistency with question 1 answer, though I'm aware such consistency had rarely been reliable even in past rounds.  I can see the logic (sort of) with the winning answer but am still a little surprised at how nearly unanimous it was.

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[edit:  P.S.  Simon's baby lemming is probably the cutest of them all for me.  Tim's would probably be cuter but I can't quite get past the blurriness of that photo compare to the one from Simon.

edit2:  I know no one thought that deeply on a feud question, but I have to ask:  if underwater is a tileset, what would the water/liquid object look like there?  Would there even be one, and if so wouldn't it be automatically weird? ]

[mobius]

Good game, thanks for hosting!

Interesting how so many people picked water for #1.  Personally I remembered a somewhat similar question from one of the Feud 2013 rounds (see question 4 there) and actually looked up its answer, but back then the answers were much more spread out than here.

Question 5 I blame Wikipedia: " title="Angry" class="smiley" />

They are herbivorous, feeding mostly on leaves and shoots, grasses, and sedges in particular, but also on roots and bulbs.

Out of curiosity, what source did you guys used to come up with the winning "grass" answer?   Even Google pointed right back to Wikipedia as the top hit.

Finally, for question 8 for lack of strong feelings, I ended up banking on consistency with question 1 answer, though I'm aware such consistency had rarely been reliable even in past rounds.  I can see the logic (sort of) with the winning answer but am still a little surprised at how nearly unanimous it was.

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[edit:  P.S.  Simon's baby lemming is probably the cutest of them all for me.  Tim's would probably be cuter but I can't quite get past the blurriness of that photo compare to the one from Simon.

edit2:  I know no one thought that deeply on a feud question, but I have to ask:  if underwater is a tileset, what would the water/liquid object look like there?  Would there even be one, and if so wouldn't it be automatically weird? ]

I came up with the grass answer same place you looked; Wikipedia  "Leaves and shoots" is too complex so I went with the smaller word "grass". "leaves and shoots" is almost grass anyway.
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If you've ever watched Spongebob, you'll see everyone there takes a shower or bath in a tub of water somehow...
IMO, if you had a underwater tileset instead of "underwater water" just have a pit with "temptations" like from Mario. e.i. In the underwater levels all the pits have a suction like mechanic that pulls mario down... oh wait that wouldn't work. 

[geoo]

Thanks for hosting, that was a nice and not so hard round again (at least no 30 minutes pondering over a binary choice question)!

I should say that the roper is definitely not my favourite skill as it's ropey and overpowered, but I thought people might pick it for its usefulness. Archer, planter and maybe bazooka and club basher are among my favourites, so it seems I would have been better off picking sincerely.

btw mobius' lemming and the second lemming picture look like palette swaps of each other.

Out of curiosity, what source did you guys used to come up with the winning "grass" answer?   Even Google pointed right back to Wikipedia as the top hit.

I actually (accidentally) got my information on that from the Wikipedia page for Lemmus Lemmus (that's the guy in the first picture, and that one appearing on the wikipedia page backed up me picking that particular image), and there it says "Adults feed primarily on sedges, grasses and moss". I expected no-one to pick sedges, so I went with grass. If I had read the correct page, I still would have followed mobius' rationale I think. And even if I hadn't looked up I would probably have picked grass too...pretty much all rodents like grass.

Finally, for question 8 for lack of strong feelings, I ended up banking on consistency with question 1 answer, though I'm aware such consistency had rarely been reliable even in past rounds.  I can see the logic (sort of) with the winning answer but am still a little surprised at how nearly unanimous it was.

I'm surprised how clear that one came out too. I thought of picking the drowner for a second too for consistency with Q1, but the one on the gallows looks like in a lot more pain, and at least in game engine terms is the only one of them that is already dead.

[ccexplore]

I should say that the roper is definitely not my favourite skill as it's ropey and overpowered, but I thought people might pick it for its usefulness. Archer, planter and maybe bazooka and club basher are among my favourites, so it seems I would have been better off picking sincerely.

I was actually quite cynical and assumed that many people here don't care enough about Lemmings 2 to really remember much about Lemmings 2 skills.  So I imagined looking through the alphabetical list on TLE and settled on the first one that I thought would sound/look kinda cool to someone not familiar with Lemmings 2.  In the end it doesn't matter too much, the choices are fairly evenly spread out.  There are so many good choices IMO that it'd pretty much be luck whether a choice would be shared by multiple people.

...pretty much all rodents like grass.

Ha, and here I am thinking they like cheese. Okay I know that's just a cartoon mouse thing.  But honestly I didn't actually have a gut answer at all for this one.  I can see cows and sheep and rabbits eating grass, never really thought of rodents doing the same.

[Clam]

edit2:  I know no one thought that deeply on a feud question, but I have to ask:  if underwater is a tileset, what would the water/liquid object look like there?  Would there even be one, and if so wouldn't it be automatically weird? ]

http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/Goo_Lagoon


For the L2 skill, there was a running joke about ballooners that went on for a while, so I expected at least a few people to choose it

I picked Nepster first for the bonus round but he didn't show...

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to Family Feud Round #5. All questions use standard scoring, except for the last. Standard scoring is (participants with your answer) / (number of votes the most popular answer got).


1. name a type of cheese.

2. Name a type of triangle.

3. Name another term for someone dying. [other than die/dying/death or any other form of the word "die"]

4. You're having a dinner party and you burned the roast. What do you do?

5. The Lemmings forum members are all stranded on a deserted island and have to resort to canabalism. Who do you eat first? [It does not matter if the person you pick participates in this game]

6. Name something you should never do naked.

7. Name something you would do at work if you really wanted to get fired.

8. of these images collected in the last round, which little guy has the best chance of survival/not being eaten by a lizard? [idk if real lizards acutally eat lemmings or not, it's not important shhh!]

A.

B.

C.

D.

E.

9. How likely are you to get picked in question 5? Enter a number as an answer: the number of people you think will pick you. If you are right on = 1 point. If you are off by 1 = 0.5, off by 2 = 0.25 etc... [your points get fractionally smaller farther away your answer is.

[Minim]

So, I did my first Family Feud today and read the rules by sending the post to QM. (I could tell who it was for that round! But it's a secret.)

7. Name something you would do at work if you really wanted to get fired.

I didn't quite get this question initially, as I personally thought this was poorly worded, but did a simple Bing search and found out a list of answers, I'll re-answer that question now, as my initial answer made no sense at all. (Work as a house-husband )

[Simon]

I will answer the feud! I will answer in the course of this Saturday...

I pronounce D and T the same at the end of boat/load, I was verifying this with NaOH in mumble last time!

Exclamation points!

-- Simon

[geoo]

In Newfoundland, 'mother' rhymes with 'udder'.

And probably somewhere in the southern US, 'ladder' and 'letter' are homophones.

'Boat' and 'load' might rhyme depending on who says it, but strictly speaking, they don't. Maybe 'letter' and 'ladder' are homophones when I say them...?

Anyway, I finally got my entry in. Medium difficulty round, very good. I'm pretty sure I botched the first question.

[Quizmaster]

This round has ended. 13 people participated! Thank you for playing. I, Joey Patone, am posting in behalf of the quizmaster who couldn't make because of death; he was eaten alive by InsaneSteve.


1. name a type of cheese.

cheddar 9 - Simon, mobius, LemSteven, NaOH, InsaneSteve, gronkling, Clam, minimac, ccx = 1
Edam 2 - Akseli and Rubix = 0.222
mozzerella 1 - Nepster = 0.111
(L)emmentaler 1 - geoo = 0.111

hubbard made a level entitled Lemmentaler which I did not get at all until geoo said this
Clam was tempted to go with 'clam'embert



2. Name a type of triangle.

equilateral 8 - minimac, LemSteven, NaOH, InsaneSteve, gronkling, Clam, Rubix, Nepster, ccx, geoo = 1
scalene 2 -Insane Steve, Gronkling =  0.25
right 2 - Simon, Akseli = 0.25
isosolese 1 - mobius = 0.125

wow really? ccx was the only person who even mentioned Isosolese; it's the funnest of all them for sure! Equilaterals are all the same and boring. Pizza guys!


3. Name another term for someone dying. [other than die/dying/death or any other form of the word "die"]

pass away 6 - Akseli, LemSteve, NaOH, Nepster, ccx, geoo = 1
kick the bucket 5 - mobius, InsaneSteve, gronkling, Clam, Rubix = 0.833
corpse 1 - Simon = 0.167
suffering 1 minimac = 0.167

Passed away, pass away, pass on; would've been considered same.
Note from InsaneSteve: my personal favorite is "went to Page 14" - it's a CYOA book reference


4. You're having a dinner party and you burned the roast. What do you do?

serve it anyway 4 - geoo, Nepster, gronkling, InsaneSteve = 1
get a pizza 3 - Simon, LemSteven, ccx = 0.75
get take aways/take out 1 - Clam = 0.25
cook ramen noodles 1 - mobis = 0.25
feed the dog/pets 1 - Rubix = 0.25
cook vegetables 1 - minimac = 0.25

really? Nobody thinks of Ramen again? ISteve at least menitoned it as a joke answer. Only 4 people were brave enought to serve burnt food and risk shame from angry guests.
Clam missed out for not being specific enough
minimac said:
I love Rubix's answer: forget the guests; they can starve, feed the pets!
Clam's serious/not serious answer: commit ritual seppuku!


5. The Lemmings forum members are all stranded on a deserted island and have to resort to canabalism. Who do you eat first? [It does not matter if the person you pick participates in this game]

Clam 5 - minimac, Simon, LemSteve, Clam, Rubix = 1
geoo 3 - mobius, Nepster, ccx = 0.6
ccx 2 - Akseli, geoo = 0.4
minimac 1 - NaOH = 0.2
quizmaster 1 - InsaneSteve = 0.2
Ramon 1 - gronkling = 0.2

Most decided to go with a tiny little Clam... pretty sure that won't sustain you people...
geoo and ccx fought and tried to eat eachother.
geoo said: ccexplore (he seems to be the most popular in 'pick a forum member' questions)
Nepsters said: geoo; nothing against him, but he displays the most meat in his avatar and this choice will make it more difficult for the three-times champion in Q9)
NaOH said: Might as well go for a mac as long as I'm resorting to meat
Clam, what a noble guy, sacrificing himself for everyone else.. unless he's got some weird fetish.


6. Name something you should never do naked.

Go to work 6 -LemSteven, IS, Clam, Rubix, Nepster, geoo =1
Show up in public 2 - Simon, Akseli =0.333
turn on webcam 1 - NaOH = 0.167
work/operate machinary 1 - mobius = 0.167
TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF 1 - gronkling = 0.167
public speaking 1 - ccx = 0.167
socialise in the city centre 1 - minimac = 0.167


six people are going to get fired.....
mobius surely does the most dangerous thing thus something you should never do. I am reminded of Dumb ways to die..
I debated whether to include "socialize in the city centre" same as show up in public or public speaking but in the end did not. They are decidedly separate things.
gronkling recommends not taking your clothes off while naked. yeah.


7. Name something you would do at work if you really wanted to get fired.

go to work naked 6 - LemSteven, InsaneSteve, Clam, Rubix, Nepster, geoo = 1
insult boss 3 - Akseli, NaOH, ccx = 0.5
slap boss 1 - Simon = 0.167
spit on boss 1 - mobius 0.167
DO YOUR WORK VERY BADLY ALL THE TIME 1 - Gronkling = 0.167
don't show up 1 - minimac = 0.167

six people paired questions 6 and 7.
minimac gave the smartest answer, at least the quickest and easiest way to get fired.
Gronkling's answer was also good, surprised more didn't choose this or minimac's
slap and spit was too specific I should've known that...


8. of these images collected in the last round, which little guy has the best chance of survival/not being eaten by a lizard? [idk if real lizards acutally eat lemmings or not, it's not important shhh!]

D 6 - minimac, Simon, LemSteven, NaOH, Clam, Rubix = 1
A 3 - mobius, ccx, geoo = 0.5
C 2 - InsaneSteve, Nepster = 0.333
E 2 - gronkling, Akseli = 0.333

D, ironically my picture, won due perhaps to being burried in snow as NaOH said or more likely, my lizard comment effected scoring.
I think A is definitely realistic option, he's the best physically fit. I mean look at these other guys they're either too fat or too scrawny.
C and E were good canditates however for being in the hands of protective humans... but those can just as easily do evil as they do justice! Take a look at these hands! I don't have to mention it...


9. How likely are you to get picked in question 5? Enter a number as an answer: the number of people you think will pick you. If you are right on = 1 point. If you are off by 1 = 0.5, off by 2 = 0.25 etc... [your points get fractionally smaller farther away your answer is]

name - guess - actual number of picks - score

minimac 1 - 1 = 1
Simon 2 - - 0 = 0.25
mobius 1 - 0 = 0.5
Akseli 0 - 0 = 1
LemSteven 0 - 0 = 1
NaOH 0 - 0 = 1
InsaneSteve 0 - 0 = 1
gonrkling 0 - 0 = 1
Clam 3 - 5 = 0.25
Rubix 1 - 0 = 0.5
Neptser 0 - 0 = 1
ccx 2 - 2 = 1
geoo 1 - 3 = 0.25

A surprising amount of people were right on the money. They know how tasey there are.
InsaneSteve asks: How would I finish ISteve11.dat if someone ate me?


RANKING:

Congragulations LemSteven! You've won the tile of best person in the world for the next 24 hours.

LemSteven = 8.75
Clam = 7.33
Nepster = 7.04
Rubix = 6.81
InsaneSteve = 6.62
ccexplore = 6.52
geoo = 6.26
NaOH = 6.12
minimac = 5.75
Gronkling = 4.95
Simon = 4.92
Akseli = 4.29
mobius = 4.14

[ccexplore]

My biggest miss is not seeing 6 can be linked with 7, and also missing out "Clam" for 5 (especially as I think I literally had some clams from a buffet dinner only like around a week ago).

Number 8 my brain wanted to go with D, I even told mobius about the snow, and how Lemmings are warm-blooded vs the cold-blooded lizards, but wasn't sure enough people here would go down such a scientific line of reasoning, and so ultimately went with a more gut answer.  But it's my fault for not having faith on the community here, considering the answers they have given on the "name a star" question from round 2.

And because it's the Internet it must be said:  nakedness may be required in some lines of work......

[RubiX]

GG all

[Simon]

Dinner choice wasn't so hard if you go by forum quotes. :-D

5. Clam! The giant clam isn't just for decoration, you know!

-- Simon

[Clam]

Clam, what a noble guy, sacrificing himself for everyone else.. unless he's got some weird fetish.

If choosing the best answer is a "fetish"... sure

This is a genuine disadvantage on Q9 though. Most people can safely guess zero for full points.

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to the long-awaited 6th round of Family Feud 2014! Why has it been so long since the last round? Could it be that everyone is tired of Family Feud?! Let's find out!

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Questions 1-7 use standard scoring.

1. Are you tired of Family Feud?

2. Name a major sporting event that occurs at least once every four years.

3. Name a fruit often found on a buffet or salad bar.

4. Name a shape with four sides that isn't always a rectangle.

5. Name something you should never leave alone.

6. Name something that would ruin a party.

7. Which round of Family Feud 2014 is the hardest so far?


8. Choose an integer from 0 to 10.

• If an odd number of players choose your number, you score (x/10) points.
  
• If an even number of players choose your number, you score (1 - x/10) points.
  (where 'x' is the number you picked)
  
  Examples:
  
• You pick number 10 and no one else does: 1 point
• You pick number 9 and one other person does: 0.1 point
• You pick number 2 and one other person does: 0.8 point
• You pick number 5: 0.5 points (regardless of how many players choose this number)

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Enter now, unless you really are tired of Family Feud! (This shouldn't influence the answers at all, nope )

-- 8(QM)

[Quizmaster]

4. Name a shape with four sides that isn't (in general) a rectangle.

Clarification / edit: By "isn't in general" I mean not always. For example:
A square is always a rectangle. (All squares are rectangles.)
A rectangle is not always a square. (A rectangle can be a square, but not all rectangles are squares).

[Quizmaster]

Round 6 shall remain open for another 2 days, for 7 days total. Enter now for your chance to win clampoints! (Or actual points.)

[NaOH]

Will the Quizmaster be playing this round?

[Quizmaster]

10 people proved they aren't tired of Family Feud yet. And, thanks everyone for asking, the Quizmaster (Clam) did not bail this time!



1. Are you tired of Family Feud yet?
No (1) - everyone

Selection bias much?


2. Name a major sporting event that occurs at least once every four years.
Football/Soccer/FIFA World Cup (1) - Clam, NaOH, Simon, Akseli, Nepster, geoo
Olympics (1/2) - Gronkling, ccexplore, RubiX
soccer [not further specified] (1/6) - möbius

"Soccer" doesn't score because there are other regular soccer events besides the World Cup.


3. Name a fruit often found on a buffet or salad bar.
Apple (1) - Akseli, Nepster, geoo
Orange (2/3) - Gronkling, RubiX
Banana (1/3) - Clam
Melon (1/3) - NaOH
Watermelon (1/3) - möbius
Cantaloupe [aka. rockmelon (I actually had to look this up)] (1/3) - ccexplore
Paprika (1/3) - Simon

Not all melons are created equal (or equally specific)! New Zealand's statistically most popular fruit (2 per person per week) apparently isn't so popular elsewhere?


4. Name a shape with four sides that isn't always a rectangle.
Parallelogram (1) - Clam, möbius, ccexplore, Akseli, RubiX
Rhombus (2/5) - NaOH, Gronkling
Quadrilateral (2/5) - Nepster, geoo
Trapezoid (1/5) - Simon

This was a tough one with the specificity rule. The preference seems to be for parallel sides, but not necessarily of equal length.


5. Name something you should never leave alone.
Money/wallet (1) - Simon, Akseli, RubiX
Baby (1) - NaOH, möbius, ccexplore
Children/kids (2/3) - Clam, ccexplore
Lemming (2/3) - Gronkling, Nepster

Those lemmings will be just fine if you pen them in, they will merely walk back and forth


6. Name something that would ruin a party.
Police (1) - Clam, ccexplore, Akseli, RubiX
Argument (1/4) - NaOH
Karaoke (1/4) - möbius
Parents (1/4) - Simon
Blood (1/4) - Gronkling
Vomiting (1/4) - Nepster
Party pooper (1/4) - geoo [perhaps in reference to Clam and ccexplore not playing Mafia thus resulting in a brief game?]

Nothing poops a party like a visit from the cops!


7. Which round of Family Feud 14 is the hardest so far?
3 (1) - Clam, NaOH, ccexplore, Akseli, geoo
2 (2/5) - Gronkling, Nepster
4 (1/5) - RubiX
6 (1/5) - Simon
dinosaur ["I don't care to get this one right"] (1/5) - möbius

Unfortunately the integrity of this question may have been compromised by discussion on IRC. But IRC regulars will already be aware that round 3 was so hard that the quizmaster himself "bailed" and didn't enter


8. Choose an integer from 0 to 10.

• If an odd number of players choose your number, you score (x/10) points.
• If an even number of players choose your number, you score (1 - x/10) points.

(where 'x' is the number you picked)

10 (1) - ccexplore, Nepster, geoo
9 (0.9) - RubiX
7 (0.7) - NaOH
5 (0.5) - möbius
2 (0.2) - Simon
0 (0) - Clam, Gronkling, Akseli

Risky plays were rewarded and punished in equal measure



SCOREBOARD

Congratulations to Akseli, who won Round 6 with exactly 7 points, of a possible 8!

Akseli 7.00
ccexplore 6.83
geoo 6.32
RubiX 6.27
Clam 6.00
Nepster 5.72
NaOH 5.68
möbius 4.45
Simon 4.18
Gronkling 3.88



Clampoints (entertainment value)

- Gronkling for his creatively formatted answer text. muchanswers. sofeud. wow.
- Nepster for suggesting clams as a salad bar fruit (fruits de mer, perhaps).
- möbius for not being bothered by the difficulty of the questions.



*yawn* Well that was tiring, I don't feel like playing another round for a while! (Only kidding! If anyone wants to host now, go right ahead and ask for the password!)

[geoo]

Sorry for making a comment in IRC, I completely forgot about Q7 when commenting on how hard this round is (which I do pretty much any round). I thought it was well known how I felt about round 3 anyway, though looking it up I didn't quite stress it as much in this topic as I complained in IRC about it back when round 3 was running. I think Akseli's win was well deserved either way, only missing out on points in the last question which was a lot about luck.

Yeah, not as hard as round 3, but not completely easy, and as always so far my view on that ended up being reflected in my ranking.

For question 6, party pooper was just the first relevant answer that sprung to mind and seemed quite appropriate. Police never even crossed my mind.

As for bananas, I think they are popular, but not so much on buffets.

[Quizmaster]

Round 7

For questions 1-4, the normal feud scoring applies. For questions 5-8 the normal feud scoring applies as well, but to the answers given after the bribes.

1. Name a member (not the Quizmaster) who is not participating in this round! (-0.5 points penalty if member ends up participating.)

2. Name a utensil useful for eating!

3. How do you address (i.e. call him/her to get their attention) a person unfamiliar to you if you don't know their name?

4. Name a cold place.


5. Name an important ingredient for making cookies.

6. If you were granted one super power of your choice, what super power would you wish for?

7. Name something one can say about your mom.

8. Why did the chicken cross the road?

9. This round is rigged! You can bribe other players to change their answer to any of the previous four questions!
First pick a question from the last four, i.e. between Q5 and Q8. For fairness, you won't bribe specific players, but anyone for that particular questions.
Then pick the amount of points you're willing to pay as a bribe to other players so they change their answer to whatever you want. You can pick a specific answer (e.g. your answer; anyone accepting the bribe will then answer with this exact same answer), or a dumb answer that will be different for everyone accepting your bribe, ensuring they score the minimum amount of points (you can provide a few dumb sample answers if you want).
But you can be bribed too (maybe)! Also choose an amount of points above which you accept bribes, and for which question(s) you accept bribes!
If there are multiple bribe offers to some player, the player only accepts the highest paying bribe. If the best two offers tie, then the player accepts none of the bribes. The bribe amount will be deducted from the briber (the player who bribes) and awarded to the bribee (the bribed player). Only exception: You cannot bribe yourself. It's possible that multiple people will accept your bribe, so you might lose a lot of points here, so your bribe offer should probably be less than 0.50.
The bribes obviously affect the scoring of the previous four questions!

For clarity, format your answer like this:
"I offer [bribe amount] to anyone for changing their answer to Question [X] to [alternative answer]. I accept any bribes above and including [bribe amount] for question(s) [X, Y, ...]."
You can write 'a dumb answer' for [alternative answer] and provide some sample answers if you want.

[ccexplore]

3. Name a fruit often found on a buffet or salad bar.
Apple (1) - Akseli, Nepster, geoo
Orange (2/3) - Gronkling, RubiX
Banana (1/3) - Clam
Melon (1/3) - NaOH
Watermelon (1/3) - möbius
Cantaloupe [aka. rockmelon (I actually had to look this up)] (1/3) - ccexplore
Paprika (1/3) - Simon

Not all melons are created equal (or equally specific)! New Zealand's statistically most popular fruit (2 per person per week) apparently isn't so popular elsewhere?

I didn't expect such a spread of answers, but then I guess it only makes perfect sense that different fruits are more/less popular (and available) in different countries.  If you look up Wikipedia's entry for Cantaloupe it claims it is the "most popular variety of melon in the United States", and definitely in my experience plenty of fruit salads here often feature honeydew and cantaloupe melons (green and orange fleshed, respectively).  Sometimes watermelon as well but not as often.

And maybe it's also different from country to country, but the melon thing is also kinda specific to fruit salads and such.  Apples, oranges and bananas are far more common as something you might bring to work or school for lunch/snack for example.

Love Simon's answer there btw.

[NaOH]

I was going to say Cantaloupe, but I was worried it would be too obscure a name (despite the fact that I see it everywhere), so I chose melon instead, which are similar enough and also fairly popular

[ccexplore]

Wow, of all the persons to come up with complicated questions, I did not expect something like question 9 from geoo who whined about difficulty just a few rounds ago......

[edit1: as I'm reading through the details, first clarification question:  I imagine answer is obvious, but bribe amount offered cannot be negative? (actually, on second thought since it "probably" "won't work", maybe it is actually acceptable even if unlikely to do anything?) What about 0?]

[edit2: the "highest-paying" rule for accepting bribes amongst multiple offers doesn't quite seem to account for ties?  what happens then?]

[Simon]

Melon is essentially water with some random carbon atoms to hold it in a spherical form. :>

I'm not sure why paprika is so funny nor why it is eschewed by everyone, it is a great fruit!

-- Simon

[NaOH]

The only definition of "paprika" that I know is the spice made from peppers. Peppers are a fruit, which I adore, but it's a stretch to say that paprika is also a fruit.

[geoo]

Wow, of all the persons to come up with complicated questions, I did not expect something like question 9 from geoo who whined about difficulty just a few rounds ago......

Huh? I've never complained about questions being too convoluted/complicated, just about hard questions which are usually even just standard feud format, or imbalanced ones (that's why I didn't make it that you can bribe specific players). For instances the questions I considered particularly hard in round 3 were question 3, 4, 6 and 10 three of which were standard format. I've come up with complicated questions in the past myself.

But really, the sentence "I offer [bribe amount] to anyone for changing their answer to Question [X] to [alternative answer]. I accept any bribes above and including [bribe amount] for question(s) [X, Y, ...]." pretty much sums up what's going on here, the stuff above is just a length explanation of the gist of this sentence.

Well if you're lazy you can also just ignore question 9 and I'll interpret it as 'You don't accept or give any bribes' (More formally, I assume the default values to be -infinity and +infinity).

[edit1: as I'm reading through the details, first clarification question:  I imagine answer is obvious, but bribe amount offered cannot be negative? (actually, on second thought since it "probably" "won't work", maybe it is actually acceptable even if unlikely to do anything?) What about 0?]

The rules don't say anything here, so it's allowed. No imaginary bribes though please.

[edit2: the "highest-paying" rule for accepting bribes amongst multiple offers doesn't quite seem to account for ties?  what happens then?]

Ok yeah I missed this, in this case let's just say the bribee can't decide which offer to take and ends up taking none.

[Simon]

The only definition of "paprika" that I know is the spice made from peppers. Peppers are a fruit, which I adore, but it's a stretch to say that paprika is also a fruit.

Oh right. In English, the word is not used for a certain subclass of pepper, but pepper seemed too general an answer to try.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Huh? I've never complained about questions being too convoluted/complicated, just about hard questions which are usually even just standard feud format, or imbalanced ones (that's why I didn't make it that you can bribe specific players). For instances the questions I considered particularly hard in round 3 were question 3, 4, 6 and 10 three of which were standard format. I've come up with complicated questions in the past myself.

Hmm, perhaps you have some more strategic insights into that question then.  It does feel like it would qualify as a tricky question anyway simply in terms of deciding how best to answer, though I guess the lazy approach is probably a decent fallback.

[ccexplore]

For question 3, if one answer specifies two different words to use based on gender, and another answer only includes one of those words, would that be scored as:  totally different answers?  subset rule (and which would be the subset)?  or lenient scoring (considered equivalent)?

[mobius]

do we post a bribe in a post like this? [for everyone to see]

[ccexplore]

I'm pretty sure bribes are only to be seen by the QuizMaster, in the same way that you don't share normal feud answers to everyone before the round is over.

Not to mention that typically bribes are not made brazenly in public eye anyway......   [edit: okay to be fair, that's maybe a somewhat naïve view...but let's just say in those "public" cases you probably would call it by some other name like "campaign donations" or whatever ]

[geoo]

For question 3, if one answer specifies two different words to use based on gender, and another answer only includes one of those words, would that be scored as:  totally different answers?  subset rule (and which would be the subset)?  or lenient scoring (considered equivalent)?

Lenient scoring.

do we post a bribe in a post like this? [for everyone to see]

No, you submit your bribes as answer to question 9 to the Quizmaster via PM, preferrably in the format "I offer [bribe amount] to anyone for changing their answer to Question [X] to [alternative answer]. I accept any bribes above and including [bribe amount] for question(s) [X, Y, ...].".

[Quizmaster]

Round 7 - Results!

1. Name a member (not the Quizmaster) who is not participating in this round! (-0.5 points penalty if member ends up participating.)
Adam (1) - Clam, NaOH, Ramon
Giga (2/3) - mobius, Gronkling
Insane Steve (2/3) - Simon, RubiX
namida (2/3) - ccx, geoo
Prob Lem (1/3) - Akseli

2. Name a utensil useful for eating!
Fork (1) - Clam, NaOH, mobius, Simon, Gronkling, Akseli, RubiX, ccx
Spoon (1/8) - geoo
nutcracker (1/8) - Ramon

Maybe people considered the spoon essential rather than just useful? In the soup kitchen the spoon is the go-to tool if you don't want to end up hungry, only beaten by the ladle allowing to devour the soup even faster!

3. How do you address (i.e. call him/her to get their attention) a person unfamiliar to you if you don't know their name?
sir (1) - NaOH, ccx, geoo
excuse me (1) - Simon, Gronkling, Akseli
(hey) butthead (1/3) - mobius
(hey) pigface (1/3) - Ramon
(hey) man (1/3) - RubiX
hey (1/3) - clam

When I wrote the question I was really going for a noun referring to the person you address, but it seems the question wasn't quite clear, as ccx also elaborated on in a paragraph in his answer submission.

4. Name a cold place.
Antarctica (5) - Clam, NaOH, Akseli, geoo, RubiX
Adam's shoulder (1/5) - mobius
North Pole (1/5) - Simon
Space (1/5) - Gronkling
Finland (1/5) - ccx
fridge (1/5) - Ramon

mobius answer is oddly appropriate and quite creative.

5. Name an important ingredient for making cookies.
flour (1) - Clam, NaOH, Simon, Ramon, Akseli, RubiX, ccx, geoo
sugar (1/8) - mobius
chocolate chips (1/8) - Gronkling

6. If you were granted one super power of your choice, what super power would you wish for?
flight (1) - Clam, Simon, mobius, Ramon, Akseli, RubiX, geoo
shapeshifting (2/7) - NaOH, Gronkling
time manipulation (1/7) - ccx

I have to say the most useful superpower I've come up with for me is teleportation (many times I'd wish for that to be possible, while I can't say the same about flight), but I expected flight to be popular. My favourite answer though is Ramon's (before taking a bribe) 'Completing the Lix Community Level Pack'.

7. Name something one can say about your mom.
She's a good cook (1) - Clam
She is my mom (1) - NaOH
I love you (1) - mobius
She's great (1) - Simon (changed from 'She's female', which would have been a winner here)
She's cool (1) - Gronkling (in reference to question 4?)
She's fat  [not even remotely accurate of course, but decent chances for feud purposes? ] (1) - ccx
She looks like me  (1) - Akseli
She's female (1) - Ramon
She's old (1) - geoo (in reference to Clam insulting the quizmaster with that two rounds ago, thought it would be a good middle ground between saying something nice and saying she's fat)
She's nice (1) - RubiX

A lot of people complimenting their mom, or going for a quasi-tautology, rather than going for the obvious answer 'She's fat'. Afraid your mom is stalking you on the forums?

8. Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side (1) - Clam, NaOH, Simon, Gronkling, Akseli, RubiX, ccx, geoo
To secure the existance of this pitiful question (1/8) - Ramon
Did the chicken cross the road? Did it cross it with a toad? Yes! the chicken crossed the road, but why---I've not been told. (1/8) - mobius

Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends on your frame of reference.
Here's what various scientist think about this question: https://www.physics.harvard.edu/academics/undergrad/chickenroad

9. Here's what's been going on behind the scenes for question 5-8 (not much, really):
Akseli: I offer [0,05] to anyone for changing their answer to Question [7] to [She looks like me]. I accept any bribes above and including [0,05] for question [6].
Clam: I offer 0.10 to anyone for changing their answer to Question 7 to "She's a good cook". I accept any bribes above and including 0.15 for question 7.
Ramon: I won't bribe anybody but I'll take any bribe I can get.
mobius: I offer 0.3 to anyone for changing their answer on Question 6 to "flight" or "flying". I accept no bribes.
Simon: Bribe 0.06 to whoever changes the answer of Q7 to "she is great". Accept bribes of 0.51 or higher to Q5, Q6, Q8.
NaOH:  I offer for 0.001 points anybody willing to change Question 5 to flour. I accept any bribes above but not including 0.5 points for all relevant questions.
geoo:  I offer 0.10 to anyone for changing their answer to Question 7 to "She's old". I accept any bribes above and including 0.20 for questions 5, 6 and 7.
RubiX, ccx and Gronkling are not corrupt. Gronkling: "IM A GOOD COP"

Only benign bribes (i.e. asking to change your answer to something popular), so taking bribes was a good way to get some extra cash.

Best offers:
Q5: 0.001 by NaOH for changing answer to 'flour'. Accepted by Ramon who changes his answer from 'Cookie jar' to 'flour'.
Q6: 0.3 by mobius for changing answer to 'flight'. Accepted by Akseli, geoo (doesn't affect answer) and Ramon who changes his answer from 'Completing the Lix Community Level Pack' to 'flour'.
Q7: 0.1 by geoo and Clam each for "she's old"/"she's a good cook" respectively, but by the rules these offers cancel out.
Q8: No offers.

Clam and geoo had a good strategy going here considering the answers to Q7 were completely scattered, but failed in the execution (going for 0.11 wouldn't have been that far off now, would it?)

Net gain: +0.301 Ramon, +0.3 Akseli, +0.3 geoo, -0.001 NaOH, -0.9 mobius.

Final Results:
1   Akseli   7.63
2   Clam   7.33
3   NaOH   7.28
4   geoo   7.09
5   RubiX   7.00
6   Simon   6.87
7   ccexplore   6.01
8   Gronkling   5.28
9   Ramon   5.08
10   möbius   3.55

A very tight race with the first 6 players less than a point apart, but in the end Akseli emerges victorious for the second time in a row, getting ahead of Clam by taking a bribe.

[ccexplore]

All I have to say is that my superpower for question 6 would've probably been very useful for this game, if nothing else.

[edit: additional comment

In IRC they talk about how, um, talking about your mom's weight wasn't as popular an answer as may have been expected, due to apparent psychological factors.  I had in the past consider hosting a feud round where many questions have these sorts of answers (perhaps more extreme though) where there are psychological/sociological factors potentially leading one against choosing the otherwise very obvious answer the question is pushing for.  But I've had trouble coming up with good questions so far......]

[Quizmaster]

Round 8!

To celebrate the near-completion of the Lix Community Set, as well as Akseli's near-completion in playtesting, here is a Lix-themed round!

1. Name a word that rhymes with "Lix".

2. Which is the best Lix skill that's not present in L1/ONML?

3. You are playing the first level, "Any Way You Want" (screenshot attached below). For whatever reason, you've decided to challenge yourself to complete the level using only one type of skill. Which do you choose?

4. Which difficulty rating of the Lix Community Set is the most fun overall?

5. Name a Lix multiplayer level, other than those mentioned in this post.

6. Wait, why is there a tree?

7. Does this round have too many Lix-themed questions?

8. Name a puzzle game (individual game or series) that doesn't have Lemmings-like gameplay.

9. Name an anime (Japanese animation) series.

10. You wake up in a deserted military base. Over the intercom, your brother (or, if you don't have a brother, someone you trust absolutely) tells you that aliens have invaded and you are humanity's only hope. What weapon do you select?

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It's Lix multiplayer time! First select a colour. This is not scored, but determines which team you are on for the following rounds. Valid colours are, in the order they appear in Lix's selection menu: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, grey, black. (I will refer to this sequence of colours as "standard order".) No conferring -- the unpredictability is what makes this fun!

11. Round One -- Stepping Stones! (Screenshot attached.) We're playing an adapted version of the map for any number of players. It's cylindrical, with colours in standard order -- Red's exit is by Orange's hatch, Orange's exit by Yellow's hatch, and so on. Any unused colours are omitted without changing the order of the others. Each team has a crowd 80 lix; for simplicity, I will assume that work can be done without removing lix from the crowd. Each player must decide whether to work the ceiling route, middle route or floor route, or stay and defend the hatch. A team whose members all defend cannot reach their exit and scores 0.

Let's say the largest number of players on the same team working the same route is 3; then any route worked by three players from the same team is deemed to be complete after one minute, any route worked by two players from the same team after two minutes, and any route worked by a single player after three minutes. Each team will send their crowd as soon as one route is complete. If a team has multiple routes complete simultaneously, they divide their crowd evenly. It takes the crowd one minute to reach the exit.

If a crowd is travelling at the same time as a lix from another team is working the same route, the worker will sabotage, causing half the crowd to fall. Fallers from the ceiling route die, unless their team has the middle route already complete (in which case all survive) or their team completes the middle route in the same minute (in which case half survive). Similarly, fallers from the middle route die unless their team has completed or is completing the floor route. Fallers from the floor route all die.

If Red's crowd reaches their exit at the same time as Orange's crowd leaves (i.e. they beat Orange by exactly one minute) then they steal half of Orange's lix, unless an Orange player elected to defend the hatch. If they beat Orange by more than one minute, they steal all of Orange's lix -- and similarly for the other colours.

Each team scores (number of lix saved) / 80.

12. Round Two -- Shion's Fun Fun Torture Room! (Screenshot attached.) Each team has just one lix, and the last survivor wins. You may choose to hunt other lix, walk back and forth or build a bunker. If two or more players on the same team select different options, the lix gets confused and jumps into a sawblade.

The remaining lix are those committed to a single strategy. Let A, B, C be the numbers of hunters, walkers and bunkerers respectively. Hunters have an advantage over bunkerers, as building is slower and it takes three skill assignments (stop building, turn, bat) to defend against an incoming hunter. Walkers have an advantage over hunters, as they can just turn and bat the hunter away. Finally, bunkerers can slip out of their bunkers and surprise walkers. Each round can only have one winner, but we're playing enough rounds that it averages out. However, if there are multiple lix of the same type in play, victories are shared between them. Therefore:

Hunters score (C - B)/A if this is positive, otherwise 0
Walkers score (A - C)/B (ditto)
Bunkerers score (B - A)/C (ditto)

13. Round Three -- Downward Reduction! (Screenshot attached). This is a free-for-all with no bunkering. Each team has 80 lix and 40 miners. The map is cylindrical, with exits in standard order (again, any unused colours are omitted without changing the order of the others). Each player must decide how many miners to use in early play: the team then uses up the sum of the number used by each player, without going over 40.

The lix end up clustered above the exit of whichever team has used the most. That team has an "exit distance" of 1; teams with exits one place away have an "exit distance" of 2, and so on. Each team has a "saving chance" equal to their number of remaining miners divided by their exit distance. These "saving chances" are then added, and each team's score is equal to (team's saving chance x number of teams) / (sum of all saving chances). If two or more teams tie for most miners used early, the lix split into two (or more) groups and each is calculated separately, assuming that all teams split their remaining miners evenly between the groups.

[NaOH]

It's cylindrical, with colours in standard order -- Red's exit is by Orange's hatch, Orange's exit by Yellow's hatch, and so on. Any unused colours are omitted without changing the order of the others.

The map has two hatches; does that mean for N players there are N/2 copies of the map placed side-by-side? What happens if N is odd?

[Quizmaster]

No, there are N copies of the central playing area, in a cylinder, separated by N copies of the hatch/exit area (with only one hatch and exit in each). It doesn't matter whether N is odd or even.

[ccexplore]

Isn't there a possibility of a divide-by-zero error for question 12's scoring?  Or did I miss something?   [edit: got it; I can't read, as usual ]

[Quizmaster]

Hunters score (C - B)/A, where A is the number of hunters, so this formula will only be called on if A is non-zero, and similarly with the others 

[ccexplore]

This may be one round where the complexity/amount of work of the QuizMaster's job to score the round seems to greatly exceed the complexity of the participants trying to answer "optimally".

I'm actually fairly tempted to try to program some sort of HTML+javascript visualization aid to automatically work out the scores given a set of answers as input, and more importantly, especially for question 11, try to visually show the actual minute-by-minute progress of each team.  Besides simplifying the QuizMaster's work of scoring, it would be a lot of fun for the participants to view the outcome as well.  Sadly, given the time commitment and relative inexperience with HTML/javascript it may likely remain a wish......

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But in light of that, some further technical/clarification questions I'd have to ask if I were to implement such a thing:

* I think this is obvious, but each individual player would each earn the score of their team (or their choice of action for #12) for each question, correct?

* I think the answer here is likely "yes", but anyway:  #11 and #13's scoring involves splitting a team's lixes in case of certain tie conditions.  Will this splitting be done in fractional values if necessary (even if technically that can't actually happen in an actual Lix game, except as some sort of statistical average)?  If not, how will values be truncated or rounded during the calculations?

* For question 11, this may be simply because I haven't ever really played that map, or perhaps I misunderstand part of the description.  But I'm not sure I understand fully how different team's routes are overlapping such that sabotage is possible: "If a crowd is travelling at the same time as a lix from another team is working the same route..."?  With the exception of the ceiling route which I guess initially goes backwards, doesn't each team get their own copy of the 3 routes with no overlap, given N copies of the central playing area?  I think the screenshot of the original map may be confusing matters here unfortunately; it might be helpful to have a sketch that more accurately depicts the way the modified map is supposed to work for question 11, in particular the flow of the different choices of routes for each team and at which locations sabotage is supposed to occur.

[Quizmaster]

* Yes -- for the last three questions, each player receives their team's score.

* Yes.

* The rules are a rough approximation of the gameplay of the actual Stepping Stones level, which is strictly a 2-player (or 2-team) level, and expanding it to any number of players wouldn't really work in the manner described. So I just ask players to assume that workers on, for example, the ceiling route, can interfere with any other team's crowd travelling that route. I suppose the best way to approximate this with an actual map would be that each team is travelling to an exit N-1 places away, so they have to go through all the other teams' areas.

[ccexplore]

Thanks for clearing up question 11.  In light of the explanation, one more question:  in the sabotage case where the affected crowd(s) get split up, is the effect of the split up exactly the same whether it was one team causing the sabotage vs multiple teams?  In other words, there could be one or more than one team working the same route at the same time.  I'm assuming that the "multiple worker sabotage" case is no different than the "single worker sabotage" case--the affected crowd always get split half-and-half (as oppose to having more of the crowd fall down to a lower route the more worker-teams there are)?

[Quizmaster]

Yes, they always split half-and-half.

[ccexplore]

I'm actually fairly tempted to try to program some sort of HTML+javascript visualization aid to automatically work out the scores given a set of answers as input, and more importantly<snip>

Sadly, even though I really shouldn't be spending time on this, I can't resist and started the HTML/javascript score calculator.

Sorry, clearly no time to do any fancy visualization.  To be honest, now that we establish question 11's model of gameplay is a gross simplification anyway, it wouldn't have been possible to depict the action realistically anyhow.  So now I'm just aiming for detailed calculations, similar to seeing the scoring spreadsheet for this round.  (And honestly with maybe exception of question 11, the other 2 questions are pretty easily handled with just a spreadsheet.)

Attached WIP only scores question 12 for now, the easiest one to do.  I'll likely tackle question 11 next as it seems to be the more complex out of the three, and therefore the most useful for something like this.  Just download to your computer and double-click to open it in web browser.  Depending on your browser/browser settings, you may get a warning about ActiveX or scripting being blocked (due to the webpage living directly on your computer as opposed to remotely on a web server), select the option to unblock and allow scripting to run, otherwise it won't work (I promise it's safe; the page is completely self-contained and neither talks to any remote server nor tries to access anything on the computer itself.  You can also try uploading it to DropBox or a proper web hosting service, and see if you can browse to the same page completely over the web instead.).  Scripting is disabled if you see "You need to enable scripting" giant text on top of the page; it is enabled (and the page working as intended) if the "score now" button is the first thing at top of the page.

Start adding players with the "add" button, and additional controls will appear to allow you to input the player's answers for each question.  It should be fairly intuitive.  Whenever all players and their answers have been entered into the page, click the "score now" button at the top, and it will spit out the corresponding results at the bottom of the page (and automatically scroll there) for your viewing pleasure.

[edit: download removed, an updated version is now hosted on the web]

[ccexplore]

Okay, as I read question 11 more carefully, I need to better understand the 1-minute/2-minute/3-minute thing in the event that two or more routes tie for most number of players (within same team) selected.  I think I've identified 4 cases total, examples of each:

A) 5 top, 3 middle, 2 bottom:  top 1 minute, middle 2 minute, bottom 3 minute.
B) 4 top, 4 middle, 1 bottom:  top 1? minute, middle 1? minute, bottom 2? minute (or 3?)
C) 3 top, 2 middle, 2 bottom:  top 1? minute, middle 2? minute (or 3?), bottom 2? minute (or 3?)
D) all 3 choices tied:  all 1? minute (or 2? or 3?)

I'm also assuming that routes which no one on the team chooses (eg. "0 bottom") work no differently from above cases?  So for example, with 5 top, 3 middle, 0 bottom, top takes 1 minute, middle takes 2 minute, just like case A?  Or does it become top 2 minute and middle 3 minutes?

[Quizmaster]

Sorry about the confusing question    Looks like I won't be invited back to quizmaster again. But we've started with this question, so we'll stick with hit.

In case A, because the highest number of same-team players working on the same route is 5, they take one minute, the team with 3 takes three and the team with 2 takes four (and any route with only a single worker would take five).

In case B, the top and middle routes would take one minute and the bottom would take four. In case C, the top route would take one minute, the middle and bottom two. In case D, all routes would take one minute.

[ccexplore]

Sorry about the confusing question    Looks like I won't be invited back to quizmaster again.

Don't worry about it, and I won't count you out just yet.  To be fair I don't think a lot of the details matter all that much for the people trying to answer, the bulk of the work goes to the QuizMaster doing the scoring.  I think the multiplayer questions are pretty innovative at least in concept, and I for one look forward to seeing how it all turns out.

[ccexplore]

Here's a BETA version of the Round 8 Multiplayer score calculator:

http://cxtest001.net76.net/FeudRound8MPCalculator.html

I explained how to use it in a previous post and I think it's fairly self-explanatory, but if not just PM me.

I've only implemented question 11 and 12 at this point, and may not have time/interest to handle question 13 before the round's over.  Bugs are quite possible but it lays out the calculations in great detail, so it should be possible to check and see if it matches your expectations or not.  There is actually one point which I'm still waiting on Proxima to clarify on, namely for question 11, whether sabotage is a one-time deal vs potentially multiple ones where survivors of one are subjected to possible further sabotage at the lower route they land on.  (Current implementations do the latter; it's simple enough to change it to do the former.)

I'll continue to tweak the page's code as needed to fix bugs and other miscellaneous improvements.

[ccexplore]

I have added a new useful feature in the javascript calculator above.  Now when it scores the answers, in addition to displaying the results, it will also create and display a "quick link" URL that you can use in the future to directly re-generate the results from the given set of input (this is done by encoding the players' names and answers into the URL).

What this mean is that if Proxima chose to use this, once he has entered in the answers by hand and have the page do the scoring, he can then get a link that will directly display the results given the final set of answers he received, so everyone else here can then see the results as well by simply using the link, rather than having to manually input all the answers into the page again themselves.

Question 13 is still not implemented.

Sidenote: the page is hosted via 000webhost.com.  It is relatively ad-free, except on initial loading of the page it appears to force the display of an ad, in a style where you are forced to manually close it to actually see the page it is covering up. " title="Angry" class="smiley" />  It's something which I probably have no control over.  Just look for the close button near top-right corner of the ad.  You may have to scroll around a little to get the ad into view sometimes so you can close it.

[Quizmaster]

Wow, impressive! 

As a trial run, I entered the responses received so far, and the calculation exactly matches mine.

Though it will be much more interesting if we get a few more players....

[ccexplore]

You have one more player now--I finally submitted my answers.

I still need you to confirm whether my interpretation is correct or not when it comes to chains (or lack thereof) of sabotage for question 11--can survivors of sabotage (ie. the ones who fall to next lower route but survive) be subjected to further sabotage (ie. some percentage dies or falls down again to next lower route) on the lower route, or are they immune and all will exit once they survive the one fall?  The current implementation of my score calculator does sabotage chaining (it's easy enough to change it to not chain, so it's totally your choice), but that may simply not have a chance to operate with the current set of answers you've received so far.

[Quizmaster]

No, it doesn't chain, though that doesn't make a difference as things stand currently.

Also, I would like to change the scoring system for Q12, if that's okay. I apologise for making a late change, but I think the current system is clearly unfair in one respect -- and my lix has already sawbladed, so I'm not benefiting myself.

With the current system, if the sawblade-survivors are all of one type, or evenly split between the three types, everyone scores 0 -- but survivors should score more than suiciders. So I want to change the formulae to:

Hunters score (C - B + 1)/A (and similarly with the other two)

[ccexplore]

Okay, scoring calculator has been updated: no chaining for question 11, and (C - B + 1) / A for question 12 (but only when C >= B, otherwise it's still 0 as before).  I also completed the programming for question 13, so the page now is basically done, barring bugs yet to be discovered.  Same place as before:

http://cxtest001.net76.net/FeudRound8MPCalculator.html

[edit: hallelujah!  Finally figured out how to suppress the stupid ad! ]

[Quizmaster]

Just one small problem -- the interface doesn't allow entering "0" for Q13.

[ccexplore]

Fixed now, thanks.

[Quizmaster]

Round 8 - results!

1. Name a word that rhymes with "Lix".

Rubix (1) - Simon, NaOH
six (1) - Akseli, Proxima
bricks (0.5) - Insane Steve
clicks (0.5) - ccexplore
mix (0.5) - geoo
sticks (0.5) - möbius

2. Which is the best Lix skill that's not present in L1/ONML?

batter (1) - ccexplore, Akseli, möbius, Simon, NaOH, Proxima
walker (0.16) - Insane Steve
cuber (0.16) - geoo

3. You are playing the first level, "Any Way You Want". For whatever reason, you've decided to challenge yourself to complete the level using only one type of skill. Which do you choose?

bomber/exploder (1) - ccexplore, geoo, Simon
miner (0.66) - möbius, Proxima
digger (0.33) - Insane Steve
blocker (0.33) - Akseli
platformer (0.33) - NaOH

The community certainly like making things unnecessarily difficult for themselves!

4. Which difficulty rating of the Lix Community Set is the most fun overall?

Cunning (1) - Insane Steve, ccexplore, möbius, Simon, NaOH
Hopeless (0.4) - Akseli, geoo
Vicious (0.2) - Proxima

In strong contrast to the earlier question about the ONML difficulty ratings, this was a landslide victory for one of the middle tiers. So evidently one can have too much difficulty....

5. Name a Lix multiplayer level, other than those mentioned in this post.

Ghetto Wars (1) - Insane Steve, ccexplore, geoo, NaOH
Pancake Compression (0.25) - Akseli
Compression Method (0.25) - möbius
What's behind the curtain? (0.25) - Simon
Superbowl (0.25) - Proxima

6. Wait, why is there a tree?

Steve put it there (1) - möbius, geoo
The level wouldn't be unbeatable without it (0.5) - Insane Steve (so I suppose this is the definitive answer!)
Someone planted it there (0.5) - ccexplore
To prevent you going on (0.5) - Akseli
Because it's underused in other levels (0.5) - Simon
Forty-two (0.5) - NaOH
Why not? (0.5) - Proxima

7. Does this round have too many Lix-themed questions?

No (1) - Insane Steve, ccexplore, Akseli, geoo, Simon, NaOH, Proxima
Yes (0.14) - möbius

Awww, thanks 

8. Name a puzzle game (individual game or series) that doesn't have Lemmings-like gameplay.

Deadly Rooms of Death (1) - möbius, NaOH, Proxima
Chip's Challenge (0.66) - Akseli, geoo
Tetris (0.66) - Insane Steve, Simon
Antichamber (0.33) - ccexplore

9. Name an anime (Japanese animation) series.

Death Note (1) - möbius, geoo, Simon, NaOH, Proxima
Pokémon (0.6) - Insane Steve, ccexplore, Akseli

No takers for Sailor Moon or Haruhi Suzumiya, which share the honour of being referenced in Lix level titles 

10. You wake up in a deserted military base. Over the intercom, your brother (or, if you don't have a brother, someone you trust absolutely) tells you that aliens have invaded and you are humanity's only hope. What weapon do you select?

Lix cannon (1) - Insane Steve
Missiles (1) - ccexplore
Nuclear bomb (1) - Akseli
Killer rabbit (1) - möbius
Nuke (1) - geoo (specifying a Lemmings-style nuke, so I cannot count this the same as "nuclear bomb")
Resonance Reflector (1) - Simon (this is a weapon from Iji, the game referenced by the scenario)
Chainsaw (1) - NaOH
Shotgun (1) - Proxima

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It's Lix multiplayer time! First select a colour.

Red - ccexplore
Orange - Simon, möbius
Purple - geoo, Akseli, NaOH, Proxima
Black - Insane Steve

For the detailed results of Questions 11-13, see ccexplore's calculator.

11. Round One -- Stepping Stones!

PURPLE saved all 80 lix and stole 40 of Black's, for a score of 1.5.
ORANGE saved all their own lix for a score of 1.
BLACK saved their remaining 40 lix for a score of 0.5.
RED failed to save any lix and scored 0.

12. Round Two -- Shion's Fun Fun Torture Room!

Only BLACK and RED survived the sawblades. Black chose to hunt and Red to walk, so Red (ccexplore) emerges the winner and scores 2.

13. Round Three -- Downward Reduction!

ORANGE'S strategy of using the fewest miners early turns out a winner. They score 1.52.
RED are unlucky as the lix cluster furthest from their exit. ccexplore scores 0.86.
Insane Steve (BLACK) used the most miners of any individual player, but was lucky to be in a team on his own for this question. He scores 0.82.
PURPLE use up nearly all their miners and come last, with 0.78. Which just shows how swingy this map can be -- had they used up fewer but still more than the other teams, they could easily have won 

Final standings:

NaOH 11.11
Simon 10.6
ccexplore 10.46
möbius 10.07
geoo 10
Proxima 9.55
Akseli 8.69
Insane Steve 7.75

A very close-fought contest. Congratulations, NaOH! 

[geoo]

That was a very interesting round with a good choice of stardard-scoring questions too. No-one getting too close to a perfect score in these, and only very few questions with an obvious answer or all answers completely scattered.

Some comment:

I was contemplating both RubiX and six for Q1, but then I made a bad choice.
For Q2, I think I wasn't really thinking about multiplayer (where the batter is clear favourite), but the cuber which I think is more versatile in single player. I'm surprised the results are that clear on this one though.
Q4 I'm really surprised at so many people picking Cunning. I'm not surprised at a middle tier being favourite, but everyone coming up with the same one (that's why I thought Hopeless would be the easy way out).
For Q8 I changed my answer from DROD to Chip's Challenge which was obviously a mistake. I'm surprised that ccx of all people didn't pick Chip's Challenge though.
Yeah so my strategy for Q10 was to apply the lemmings-style nuke which would eradicate every single alien without too much collateral damage. Too bad no-one else thought of that strategy.

I'm honored so many people wanted to join my team! That was definitely good for Q11, but not giving as high a scoring advantage as I hoped. Maybe the better strategy would have been to desert you people (especially after the scoring rule change for Q12 which initially I viewed like 'I'm not going to score on that one anyway') and pick a colour adjacent to purple no-one else likes, like grey. In Q12 I would have had a decent chance to score a bit, and in Q13 I would just pick 0 miners and (hopefully) be adjacent to the team using the most miners in the first part.
Funny how both Simon and I picked 0 miners, probably expecting some team mates, though even without teammates using almost no miners is a decent strategy in the actual level too. Ending up right above your exit isn't such a good idea anyway as miners don't go straight down.

Congrats to NaOH for winning and doing especially well in the first part of the round! The second part was very interesting, maybe I should have put a bit more thought into my answers than just trying to be predictable so other players can join me and score well on Q11.

[ccexplore]

For Q1 I was debating between "sticks" (first word that came to mind) and "clicks" (second word came to mind), then settled on latter as I thought it'd be more favored for obvious reasons.  But I was wrong and should've gone with "sticks" like mobius did.

For Q2, I think most people like the idea of a batter and find it fun, and since the question simply says "best" and not necessarily "most useful" (though as you pointed out, it is that too especially for multiplayer), that's probably why most people picked batter.

For Q4 I'm merely trying to answer for feud purposes only.  I browsed through the Lix thread and Akseli mentioned some level as his favorite and it was in the Cunning rating.

Yeah, Q8 I soooooooooo would've picked Chip's Challenge, but then I thought with Insane Steve having recently livestreamed AntiChamber maybe that would be a popular answer, clearly big mistake there.

Yeah so my strategy for Q10 was to apply the lemmings-style nuke which would eradicate every single alien without too much collateral damage.

Hmm, I think you are assuming the aliens are all still up in the sky?  Otherwise I'm not sure why you think it would have little collateral damage (such as to buildings and everything else that would count as "terrain")?  (Also, not sure you can find them right now in military bases.  Maybe we need to fix that and put you in charge of our military spending. )

And yeah, what's up with purple?  Was it truly mere coincidence that of all the colors, that wound up being the most popular (50%!) , or is there some factor behind it that I'm unaware of?

So I was clearly too optimistic about having teammates with my (in hindsight too risky) answer for question 11, though I suppose the lack of teammates also benefited me for question 12.  Actually the last minute scoring change there gave me an unexpected extra boost (as a perhaps unintended side effect).

[geoo]

I pretty much always play purple in lix, and NaOH likes to play purple too so when we're playing 2vs2 it's often me and NaOH together. So it was quite predictable that us two would pick purple. I know Akseli is aware of it and Proxima probably too, so I guess they wanted to join the team here.
Simon also usually plays orange in lix, and he also recruited one team member like that.
And then there's also that aspect that purple is the prettiest of the colours available.

Hmm, I think you are assuming the aliens are all still up in the sky?  Otherwise I'm not sure why you think it would have little collateral damage (such as to buildings and everything else that would count as "terrain")?

Well they'd just take out a bit of terrain around them. Considering how warfare works nowadays with airstrikes covering whole areas and killing lots of civilians, that little bit of terrain as collateral damage is quite acceptable I think. Maybe even better would be a cuber nuke.

[Proxima]

I haven't played Lix multiplayer for a long while, being too busy with DROD and real-life, so I didn't know that about NaOH. Back when I was a regular player, I liked purple and always made sure to nab it if I joined before geoo 

[chaos_defrost]

Huh, suppose I'm out of touch with stuff in chat? Surprised that e.g. Death Note being most popular anime, must have been a topic of discussion or something?

Last time I submit drunk though 

[RubiX]

Dam, sorry I wasnt around to participate in the Lix feud
Was very busy the whole week with brothers wedding around vancouver.

[mobius]

on #5 -- 'compression Method' isn't even a real lix level was it?
I think I was thinking of 'Decompression Method' 

I've been watching Death Note recently because NaOH told me about it on IRC. While it's very entertaining it's not my favorite or the most popular anime (I would guess) by any means. if we held this question last year the winner would probably have been One Piece

#8 -- I debated chips challenge but I think Deadly Rooms of Death was talked about about as much as CC so I wasn't sure.

I usually pick orange or red in Lix so I did that n the questions as well

[Proxima]

on #5 -- 'compression Method' isn't even a real lix level was it?

Your multiplayer adaptation of "Compression Method 1". It's always been one of my favourite MP levels 

[ccexplore]

Ah, so people picked the favorite lix colors of the best MP players (geoo and Simon).  Should've thought of that, but even then I probably wouldn't have known what the colors are, as that's one thing I don't think I can find on the forums nor on IRC.

[NaOH]

Ah, interesting results! I really enjoyed the Lix Multiplayer questions, they were very creative. And, yes, purple is my favourite colour, but since geoo has prior claim I generally use grey. Which, as geoo pointed out, probably would've gotten me (even) more points! I'm not exactly sure how I pulled this one off, so I'll just say good job to everyone who participated and/or created the feud and/or scored the questions.

Also, good night; I have just returned from a weekend trip and now I will take my victory nap.

[Clam]

Dam, sorry I wasnt around to participate in the Lix feud
Was very busy the whole week with brothers wedding around vancouver.

Copy that, but substitute Phoenix for Vancouver. Normal life resumes in a week or so

[Quizmaster]

Velcome to another grand feud for the peoples of the republic of LemmingLand. Thank Simon for most of the questions today.

1-8 are standard feud questions. [For each family feud question, you get (participants with your answer) / (number of votes the most popular answer got) points. So, try to answer with the most popular answer.
Turn your answers into quizmaster via PM.


1. How much weight will geoo lose in Ghana from cutting back on Club-Mate and instant ramen?

2. How many bugs (glitches) are in Lix?

3. What goes best with Wurst and Sauerkraut?

4. Your Finnish is not good enough to order pizza per phone. Perkele! What do you get instead as a lone student in Finland out of your jääkaappi?*

5. How many rotations does ccexplore's avatar do within 24 hours?

6. What kind of rodent makes the cutest noises?

7. How long will it take the puzzle people to solve all of the SUMS puzzles this year?

8. How many holes are in octohole?

the scoring for this question is different:

9. There are 100 coins in a community bag. You may take any number of them. The greediest players get their coins later than those who want fewer coins, and if the bag runs out before you get coins;





the score for this question will be: your pick X 0.1
If the bag runs out during part of a player's pick that player will only get whatever remains in the bag. Everyone afterward will get nothing.

[Quizmaster]

I changed the scoring on question 9. Remember you can change your answers if you wish

[Quizmaster]

8 people participated

1. How much weight will geoo lose in Ghana from cutting back on Club-Mate and instant ramen?

5 pounds - Simon: 0.333
15 pounds - mobius: 0.333
5 kilograms - Akseli: 0.333
15 kilograms - InsaneSteve: 0.333
1 kilogram- Clam: 0.333
0 was number answer (and apparently true answer); NaOH, geoo and minimac; 1


2. How many bugs (glitches) are in Lix?

5 - mobius; 0.333
1 - minimac: 0.333
The world will never know - InsaneSteve: 0.333
10 - Simon, Clam: 0.667
0 was number one answer - Akseli, geoo, NaOH: 1


3. What goes best with Wurst and Sauerkraut?

beer - Akseli; 0.5
club mate and instant Ramen - NaOH: 0.5
a bun? I don’t know - InsaneSteve: 0.5
cabbage - minimac: 0.5
these were tied for the number one answer:
mashed potatoes (the true answer) - Simon, mobius: 1
club mate - Clam, geoo: 1


4. Your Finnish is not good enough to order pizza per phone. Perkele! What do you get instead as a lone student in Finland out of your jääkaappi?*

Leipajuusto;
http://www.buzzfeed.com/tabathaleggett/traditional-finnish-foods-that-you-desperately-need-in-yo
- mobius: 0.333
coke - NaOH: 0.333
Lessons on how to order a (just cheese no sauce) pizza in Finland - InsaneSteve: 0.333
club mate - Clam: 0.333
sandwhich - minimac: 0.333
wurst was number one answer - Simon, geoo, Akseli: 1
“Wurst -- or maybe my initial hunch Club-Mate?” -geoo [the first answer given must be taken]

*I’m sorry but I kept forgetting I wanted to say that this word is Finnish for “refrigerator” It looks like it might have influenced ISteve’s answer...


5. How many rotations does ccexplore's avatar do within 24 hours?

50000 (actual number higher but aiming for a rounded number for popularity) - Clam: 0.2
1 million - minimac: 0.2
72000 (24 × 60 × 60 / (0.15 s/frame × 8 frames)) - NaOH: 0.2
86,400 (1 per second) was number one answer - Simon, mobius, Akseli, InsaneSteve, geoo


6. What kind of rodent makes the cutest noises?

Hamster Eh? - InsaneSteve: 0.2
lix - Clam: 0.2
Capybara - geoo: 0.2
Lemming was number one answer - Simon, mobius, Akseli, NaOH, minimac: 1


7. How long will it take the puzzle people to solve all of the SUMS puzzles this year?

2 weeks - mobius: 0.333
12 hours - minimac: 0.333
these were tied for the number one answer:
one week - Simon, Akseli, NaOH: 1
NEVER (or INFINITY TIME) - InsaneSteve, Clam, geoo: 1

the puzzle participants were the ones who answered: “never”

8. How many holes are in octohole?

10 - minimac: 0.125
8 was number one answer - Simon, mobius, geoo, Akseli, NaOH, InsaneSteve,Clam: 1

maybe this was a trick question? .....nope, no trick here.


the scoring for this question is different:

9. There are 100 coins in a community bag. You may take any number of them. The greediest players get their coins later than those who want fewer coins, and if the bag runs out before you get coins you get nothing.

ranked from least to greediest:

simon - 8: 0.8 points
minimac - 9: 0.9 points
InsaneSteve - 9.667: 0.967 points
Clam -10 - 1 point
Akseli-   19: 1.9 points
NaOH-   19: 1.9 points
mobius- 20: 2 points

geoo chose to take 28.99, making him the greediest and taking the last pickings of the bag; only 5.333 coins were left to take; geoo gets 0.533 points.
“I'll probably regret changing my initial value from 9 to this” Turns out it wouldn’t have mattered.

There weren’t enough to go over the bag limit so everyone got something. Sadly I couldn’t show this to anyone as a response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Dshk1XfDc

Final Score:

Akseli: 8.73
NaOH: 7.93
Simon: 7.8
geoo: 7.73
mobius: 7.33
Clam: 5.73
InsaneSteve: 5.67
minimac: 4.73

[Minim]

Wow. Bottom of the pile? That must be my mind playing tricks, or maybe I just think differently to other people, or maybe it's my British mind? I don't know, but I'm sure you'd enjoy some of my answers.

Anyway, I must've read that octohole question literally and thought of October. Ended up being the only one to say 10.

[Quizmaster]

Family Feud Round 10!

Question 1. What is the tastiest colour of jelly bean?

Question 2. You're making yet another Lemmings clone. What critter do you use instead?

Question 3. What doesn't go well with Club-Mate?

Question 4. The IRC logger bot needs a new name, because |Lovely| just isn't lovely enough. What would you suggest?

Question 5. What is a Lemming's best weapon?

Question 6. How much meat is enough meat?

Question 7. Who will be the next Quizmaster?

Question 8. (Blame geoo for this one) The number of holes in Octohole is not 0, 1, 8, or 10. What's your next guess?

Question 9. Can you guess the Quizmaster password? It has more than five letters. (Oh, and you get a 0.5 point bonus if your answer is correct ignoring the sequence of random characters I've added to the end for safety.)

Bonus Round! (0.5 points)

Pick a positive integer (i.e. 1, 2...). The 0.5 bonus points go to whoever submits the lowest integer that nobody else submits.

[NaOH]

I have inside information on question nine, so I won't be answering that one. I have answered the others, however.

Edit: also, what a rude Quizmaster, posting before there was time to discuss the previous round! Let's have a comment thread.

5. How many rotations does ccexplore's avatar do within 24 hours?
72000 (24 × 60 × 60 / (0.15 s/frame × 8 frames)) - NaOH: 0.2

I'm really the only one who actually bothered to check the frame rate?   " title="Angry" class="smiley" />

9. There are 100 coins in a community bag. You may take any number of them. The greediest players get their coins later than those who want fewer coins, and if the bag runs out before you get coins you get nothing.

ranked from least to greediest:

simon - 8: 0.8 points
minimac - 9: 0.9 points
InsaneSteve - 9.667: 0.967 points
Clam -10 - 1 point
Akseli-   19: 1.9 points
NaOH-   19: 1.9 points
mobius- 20: 2 points

geoo chose to take 28.99, making him the greediest and taking the last pickings of the bag; only 5.333 coins were left to take; geoo gets 0.533 points.
“I'll probably regret changing my initial value from 9 to this” Turns out it wouldn’t have mattered.

I liked this question, although I probably would have played more conservatively if the penalty for being too greedy was zero coins rather than the remainder. I think 100/8=12.5 would have been the highest safe bet; I'm surprised the bets went as high as they did.

[Minim]

I have inside information on question nine, so I won't be answering that one. I have answered the others, however.

Edit: also, what a rude Quizmaster, posting before there was time to discuss the previous round! Let's have a comment thread.

5. How many rotations does ccexplore's avatar do within 24 hours?
72000 (24 × 60 × 60 / (0.15 s/frame × 8 frames)) - NaOH: 0.2

I'm really the only one who actually bothered to check the frame rate?   " title="Angry" class="smiley" />

I was thinking about checking the frame rate too. I knew it was 8 frames, but didn't know how long each frame took. Your maths are very good looking at the number you came up with!

[Quizmaster]

Welcome back, folks! Without further adieu, here are the results of the feud.

Contestants, in no particular order:
ccexplore
Akseli
Simon
NaOH
Clam
geoo
mobius
Minim(ac?)

Breakdown of score by question:

Question 1. What is the tastiest colour of jelly bean?

Red (1): Minim, Clam, Simon, geoo, Akseli, ccexplore
Yellow (0.167): möbius
Green (0.167): NaOH

Question 2. You're making yet another Lemmings clone. What critter do you use instead?
Capybaras (1): Clam, geoo, Akseli
Mice (0.667): Simon, Minim
Bunnies (0.333): ccexplore
Pandas (0.333): NaOH
Spiders (0.333): möbius

Question 3. What doesn't go well with Club-Mate?

Nothing (1): Akseli, Simon
Wurst (0.5): geoo
Chocolate (0.5): Minim
Everything (0.5): möbius
Coffee (0.5): Clam
Leek (0.5): ccexplore
Guile's Theme (0.5): NaOH

Question 4. The IRC logger bot needs a new name, because |Lovely| just isn't lovely enough. What would you suggest?

|Lovelier| (1): Simon
|Loveliest| (1): Clam
|Adorable| (1): geoo
|Bob| (1): AKseli
Bunny (1): ccexplore
Spybot (1): NaOH
Killer (1): Minim
Penny Farthingale Elanor Rosenshaft III (1): möbius

Question 5. What is a Lemming's best weapon?

Suicide bomber (1): geoo, Clam, Minim
Nuke (0.667): ccexplore, Akseli
Numbers (0.333): NaOH
Bazooka (0.333): Simon
Miner's Pick (0.333): möbius


Question 6. How much meat is enough meat?

There is never enough meat (1): möbius, geoo, Akseli
There is never too much meat (0.333): ccexplore
Another day, another cow (0.333): NaOH
1 kg (0.333): Simon
100 g (0.333): Minim
Zero (0.333): Clam

ccx's answer gave me a lot of grief. Is "there is never too much meat" equivalent to "there is never enough meat"? On the one hand, the statements "there is enough meat" and "there is too much meat" are clearly distinct. However, their negations are more difficult to compare.

Finally, I decided I couldn't score this objectively and decided to open the floor to the two people sitting next to me in chemistry. They both agreed that the two statements mean different things, although had trouble elucidating exactly how. By democracy, ccx loses points.

Question 7. Who will be the next Quizmaster?

geoo (1): NaOH, Clam, geoo, Akseli
Simon (0.5): ccexplore, möbius
ccexplore (0.25): Simon
möbius (0.25): Minim

Interestingly, even geoo predicts geoo will be the next Quizmaster. Peer pressure?

The ccexplore-Simon loop is very amusing. Perhaps they should both host a round.

Question 8.  The number of holes in Octohole is not 0, 1, 8, or 10. What's your next guess?

9 (1): ccexplore, geoo, Simon, NaOH
18 (0.5): Akseli, Minim
2 (0.25): Clam
i^2 = -8 (0.25): möbius

I was completely unaware of the true meaning of Octohole, but here is an explanation from Simon:

[Nine] is the factual answer, Octohole was a Clones map modification with 8 dark holes plus another huge one in the center.

Question 9. Can you guess the Quizmaster password?

password (1.5): Clam
asdfasdf (1): Akseli
wurstwurst (1): Simon
octohole (1): geoo
Steve Harvey (1): Minim
ClubMate867 (1): möbius
(NaOH's last name in real life) (1): ccexplore

The correct answer is, indeed, password. 

Bonus:

1. ccexplore, Akseli, geoo
3. Clam, möbius
4. Simon, NaOH
5. Minim

Looks like the highest number wins out. Minim gains 0.5 bonus points.

Trivia:
Question 1: geoo is a vampire.

RED (tastes like blood!)

Interestingly, the bonus question was the premise for an actual bid in Germany.

Regretfully, Clam, who, learning from the results in the previous feud, gave the smallest answers possible for the quantity questions (6 and 8 ), expecting them to be the most popular... Clam gains 0.5i bonus points for irony.

Final results:

8.5 geoo
8.167 Akseli
7.58 + 0.5i Clam (Imaginary part discarded for scoring, sadly)
6.75 Minim
6.58 Simon
6.33 ccexplore
5.08 möbius
4.67 NaOH
♥.♥♥ |Lovely|

[ccexplore]

ccx's answer gave me a lot of grief.

Something you could have cleared up quickly by just PMing me for a clarification. My answer is meant to be equivalent to "There is never enough" (ie. an entire universe's worth of meat is not "too much").  But hey, I understand the ambiguity and I accept the resultant scoring.  I blame the lousy language of English.

My Octohole answer is purely by luck, as 9 is between 8 and 10 and I figure it'd be a popular random guess.  I've played Clones but predominanently singleplayer, so I forgot about that multiplayer level even though I think I might've played it a few times actually.

[ccexplore]

I blame the lousy language of English.

Or perhaps the specific wording of the question.  I think a "too much" wording pops into my head because the question starts with "how much".  I acknowledge though that the question does ask about what quantity is "enough", so an "enough"-based wording would've been the more logical answer to give.

The difference between enough and too much is not that confusing actually, once you break things down per below.  Although there is another ambiguity not really addressed in NaOH's comments:
  - There are 3 mutually-exclusive categories, from smallest to largest:  "not enough [aka too little]", then "enough", and then finally "too much".
  - In one interpretation, "there is never <blah>" merely means "the other two categories that is not <blah>".  So technically "there is never enough" can mean you always have either too little or too much.
  - That said, I'm pretty sure what möbius, geoo, Akseli meant is this other, more likely/common interpretation (partly due to the question asking "how much" and "much" by itself refers to a big quantity):  "the categori(es) smaller than <blah>".  In this interpretation, "there is never enough" means "there is always too little", while "there is never too much" technically means "there is always either too little or just enough".  Even though in my mind I meant to say "there is always too little, never even just enough" despite my answer.

And anyway, feud scoring technically doesn't care what any of the answers mean, as long as they are the most popular.  Though I suppose the subset rule does have to take into account the semantics of the answers.  Not sure how it'd apply in this case.

[Simon]

Yes, exactly the right entertainment before going to bed, feud-induced philosophical/metamathematical discussion with ccexplore. *hamster* *hamster* *hamster* Thanks for the nice read.

[20:48] <SimonN> "never too much" allows for a quantity that is enough, but not too much; "never enough" doesn't (I'm very happy posting this quote, because this turns out to hold in both interpretations of the categories!)
[20:49] <NaOH> so they are distinct then, very good. I had three hours of sleep so logic is not my forté at the moment.
[20:49] <geoo> yeah, they are clearly distinct. Of course, maybe ccx mean't something else than he wrote
[20:50] <SimonN> half the fun of the game is that you're hosed if you write something else than you mean
[20:50] <NaOH> haha, yes

[mobius]

I blame the lousy language of English.

no you're right; English sucks

on the other hand: I immediately thought of One Piece on this question knowing NaOH is also an anime fan. It could be argued this was unfair in my favor but octohole question also seemed to be insider knowledge question which was unfair against my favor. I'm not complaining however; I don't care about this sort of thing at all.

[Proxima]

The difference between enough and too much is not that confusing actually, once you break things down per below.  Although there is another ambiguity not really addressed in NaOH's comments:
  - There are 3 mutually exclusive categories, from smallest to largest:  "not enough [aka too little]", then "enough", and then finally "too much".
  - In one interpretation, "there is never <blah>" merely means "the other two categories that is not <blah>".  So technically "there is never enough" can mean you always have either too little or too much.

This isn't really true    "Enough" means "the required quantity or more". "There's never enough" means "There is always a quantity less than required".

[ccexplore]

Hmm, fair point.  "Enough" by itself means sufficiency so "more than required" would also qualify as "enough".  I guess you can say I'm mixing up "enough" with "just enough".  +1 again to language subtlety.

[grams88]

Hi everyone

There was an interesting study where the question was something like, what is the first colour that comes to mind. The answer that appears the most seems to be red, (Interesting how most of you picked the red Jelly baby)  Could be a connection.

[Quizmaster]

Family Feud Round 11 (apparently)!

Note: questions 0-7 and 9 use standard feud scoring, question 8 has its own scoring.

0. It's your anniversay for joining the Lemmings Forum, time to celebrate big!
But first you need to prepare for the party. You need to send invitation letters.
How many guests do you invite?

1. You're in a dark alley, trying to buy white powder to decorate your cake.
There are various persons, some shadier than others. Who do you buy from:
a) the tall groomed guy in a suit sporting a fedora
b) the old man with a filthy beard and rugged clothes
c) the lightly dressed blonde woman who looks a lot younger than she really is
d) the grandma running a baking accessories store having an angry look and a
rolling pin in her hand

2. You want to make special brownies from the stoner's cookbook.
The ingredients list reads as follows:
a) 1 cup of special brownie mix
b) 1 cup of sugar
c) 1 cup of butter
d) 2 cups of milk
e) 2 eggs
Unfortunately, you're on a limited budget, having spent all your money on white
powder from some shady person, and can only afford four of the ingredients.
Which one do you leave out?

3. You bought your ingredients now, but you just realized that you missed
that the recipe also says that you need 2 cups of flour.
You don't want to go to the shops again, and you can't afford it anyway,
what do you use as substitute?
a) sweepings from sweeping your floor
b) concrete from drilling a hole in a wall
c) more white powder you got from a shady person in a dark alley
d) sawdust from sawing your desk into bits

4. You mixed all the ingredients now, put everything in the oven at 200
degrees celsius. How long do you wait until you take the cookies out of the
oven?

5. While your cookies are baking, you decorate your cake. Alas, you lack
cherries, what to you put on top instead?

6. On to the main dish. What, in your opinion, is the most important
ingredient in curry-leek noodles?

7. Looking at your creations, you realize that maybe you should have hired a
proper chef. Who's the best chef of the Lemmings forum?

8. Too late for a new chef though, so guess what, you order pizza. You'll
order three pizzas, all with different toppings. You'll order one pizza with
each of the three most popular toppings, and each pizza is shared evenly
between those people who requested the topping (1 pizza = 2 points). If
there's a tie for third, you only order two pizzas. If there's a three-way tie
for second, you only order 1 pizza. If there's a four-way tie for first, you
just argue and don't order anything. What topping do you request?

9. Who should host the next round of Family Feud?

[grams88]

Hiya

Could I take part? I never took part in this one before so this would be the first time. I take it you send the answers by Private message, keep me right guys just in case I'm doing something wrong (Many thanks) 

[Quizmaster]

Of course you can! Just send a PM with your answers to the Quizmaster.

[grams88]

That's me sent my PM.

[Quizmaster]

This is a friendly yet forceful reminder to please enter your answers, thank you very much. " title="Angry" class="smiley" />

[ccexplore]

I'd like to think we are given at least a week for each round, so there's still 2 days left by my count.   At least this time around, I know I'll have plenty free time starting Thursday (Thanksgiving in US) so you'll see my answers soon anyhow.

[grams88]

Just to double check did my PM come through okay.

(Many thanks) 

[Quizmaster]

The results for the last round are out! Here are the answers:


0. It's your anniversay for joining the Lemmings Forum, time to celebrate big!
But first you need to prepare for the party. You need to send invitation letters.
How many guests do you invite?

10 (1) - Simon, geoo, Akseli, Clam
everyone (1/2) - Steve, Minim
8 (1/2) - mobius, ccx
6 (1/4) - NaOH
20 (1/4) - grams

Steve and Minim are definitely the most considerate hosts. geoo also suggested
706 (the ID of the newest member at the time of submission), but suspected 10 to be
more popular.


1. You're in a dark alley, trying to buy white powder to decorate your cake.
There are various persons, some shadier than others. Who do you buy from:
a) the tall groomed guy in a suit sporting a fedora
b) the old man with a filthy beard and rugged clothes
c) the lightly dressed blonde woman who looks a lot younger than she really is
d) the grandma running a baking accessories store having an angry look and a
rolling pin in her hand

d (1) - geoo, mobius, Clam, Steve
a (3/4) - Simon, NaOH, grams
c (3/4) - Akseli, Minim, ccx

mobius, on picking the grandma: because she's obviously the most equipped for this task (assuming the powder is really for a cake...) even if she's angry and has a rolling pin. I can still defend myself against an old woman. I also suggest that B is actually you in disguise watching us contestants.
Steve (and probably the others) had the same rationale: I mean, she might look mean, but she knows baking, and ostensibly also strange white powders.


2. You want to make special brownies from the stoner's cookbook.
The ingredients list reads as follows:
a) 1 cup of special brownie mix
b) 1 cup of sugar
c) 1 cup of butter
d) 2 cups of milk
e) 2 eggs
Unfortunately, you're on a limited budget, having spent all your money on white
powder from some shady person, and can only afford four of the ingredients.
Which one do you leave out?

a (1) - geoo, Akseli, Minim, NaOH
b (1) - mobius, ccx, Clam, Steve
c (1/4) - Simon
d (1/4) - grams

Some people, like Steve and ccx opted for the 'specialness' over taste, while
others need their brownies to taste good or are just oblivious to what can
make brownies so special.
Steve: They may not taste great, but it's the one ingredient that doesn't
seem needed for those kinds of brownies, and tasting good isn't the point
here.
ccx: with sufficient white powder, I'm sure I won't care about sugar or taste
in general, wink wink
Minim: Never heard of a special brownie mix


3. You bought your ingredients now, but you just realized that you missed
that the recipe also says that you need 2 cups of flour.
You don't want to go to the shops again, and you can't afford it anyway,
what do you use as substitute?
a) sweepings from sweeping your floor
b) concrete from drilling a hole in a wall
c) more white powder you got from a shady person in a dark alley
d) sawdust from sawing your desk into bits

c (1) - geoo, Akseli, NaOH, mobius, ccx, Clam, grams, Steve
b (1/8) - Simon
d (1/8) - Minim

The people picking c seem to have different sentiments about their choice:
Steve: Awesome trip, here we come! Probably.
grams: Oh man I hope that the white powder is not anything bad.


4. You mixed all the ingredients now, put everything in the oven at 200
degrees celsius. How long do you wait until you take the cookies out of the
oven?

10 minutes (1) - Akseli, NaOH, ccx
1 hour (2/3) - Simon, geoo
30 minutes (2/3) - Steve, Minim
40 minutes (1/3) - mobius
15 minutes (1/3) - Clam
5 minutes (1/3) - grams

Some people have done their research while Simon and geoo are just natural
masterchefs (as evidenced below) and know how to ensure that brownies become
crispy an really brown/black, even if you're missing the brownie mix.
ccx: really want to answer "until they're ready", but probably not ideal for
feud purposes. recipes found by Google seem to settle around 10 minutes
And some people just don't care.
Steve: I haven't made cookies before, and the recipe's ruined anyways, so I
mean


5. While your cookies are baking, you decorate your cake. Alas, you lack
cherries, what to you put on top instead?

white powder (1) - ccx, Clam
chocolate (1) - Simon, grams
strawberry (1) - geoo, Akseli
marzipan lemmings (1/2) - Minim
hamster droppings (1/2) - NaOH
sprinkles (1/2) - mobius
frosting (1/2) - Steve

Only few people seem to remember what exactly they bought the white powder for
(see question 1), the others have probably already consumed all of it.
Simon: I'm extremely tempted to say wurst, because it's not been an
applicable answer yet for anything in this feud.


6. On to the main dish. What, in your opinion, is the most important
ingredient in curry-leek noodles?

leek (1) - geoo, Akseli, NaOH, mobius, Clam, ccx
noodles (1/3) - Steve, Minim
curry (1/6) - grams
ham (1/6) - Simon

Simon says screw the recipe and make sure namida gets offended by having ham
in his vegetarian dish.


7. Looking at your creations, you realize that maybe you should have hired a
proper chef. Who's the best chef of the Lemmings forum?

geoo (1) - geoo, NaOH, mobius, Clam, Steve
Simon (4/5) - Simon, Akseli, ccx, grams
Prob Lem (1/5) - Minim

(Almost) everyone knows who the masterchefs of this forum are, but it's hard
to make a decision between the two.
ccx: actually I want to answer "Simon and geoo", because in all their get-
together posts they always say "we cooked..."/"we made..."; but clearly for
feud purposes I probably should only pick one
Steve: geoo (also simon, but being Quizmaster breaks the tie here)
Minim thinks it's women who belong in the kitchen:
Minim: Well, I think she made Lemming figurines out of marzipan so I don't
think cooking would be much different for her


8. Too late for a new chef though, so guess what, you order pizza. You'll
order three pizzas, all with different toppings. You'll order one pizza with
each of the three most popular toppings, and each pizza is shared evenly
between those people who requested the topping (1 pizza = 2 points). If
there's a tie for third, you only order two pizzas. If there's a three-way tie
for second, you only order 1 pizza. If there's a four-way tie for first, you
just argue and don't order anything. What topping do you request?

Note: those people who requested multiple toppings I picked the first one listed.

pepperoni (4) - mobius, ccx, Clam, grams (assuming 'Perperami' is the same as pepperoni)
leek (2) - geoo, Simon
pineapple (1) - Akseli
ham (1) - Minim
cheese (1) - Steve

So we order one pizza with pepperoni, shared between ccx, mobius, Clam and
grams for 1/2 point each, and one pizza with leek, for geoo and Simon
(certified master chefs, they know what's good) for 1 point each.

ccx had a hunch for what's best, but ultimately wasn't confident enough yet to
trust his masterchef sense:
ccx: really wanted to go for 2nd/3rd popular instead of the likely most
popular answer, but ultimately wussed out.  The riskier choices that tempted
me include "white powder", "leek", or "beef" (based on a long-ago round).


9. Who should host the next round of Family Feud?

Simon (1) - geoo, mobius, Clam, grams
Clam (3/4) - Akseli, ccx, Steve
ccx (1/2) - NaOH, Simon
Akseli (1/4) - Minim

Simon has a really strong desire for ccx to host, while Steve wants Clamily
Casino once more gogogogogo


Final Results

Code: [Select]

1   geoo   9.67
2   Clam   8.83
3   Akseli   8.3
3   ccx   8.3
5   mobius   7.83
6   NaOH   7
7   Steve   6.92
8   Simon   6.26
9   grams   6.05
10   minimac   4.49
Congratulations to the winners (and losers) and first-time player grams88 for not coming last!

[chaos_defrost]

Seriously how many more times is me not being able to eat pizza going to haunt me 

[grams88]

I was so close with some of the questions, I picked curry instead of leak oops.

That was fun.

Geoo is the champion.

[Minim]

Ughh... a distant last, two times out of three. Maybe I didn't get the humour in the questions, or it is that I didn't read them properly, which is unusual for me because I'm an excellent reader. Well, on a positive note I seem to be the best Pointless player in the community. That game show is very popular in Britain so maybe I should encourage everyone to play that game instead.

[NaOH]

7. Looking at your creations, you realize that maybe you should have hired a
proper chef. Who's the best chef of the Lemmings forum?

geoo (1) - geoo, NaOH, mobius, Clam, Steve
Simon (4/5) - Simon, Akseli, ccx, grams
Prob Lem (1/5) - Minim

I was actually going to vote for Prob Lem, too, but I figured nobody else would vote for somebody who hasn't participated in the feuds.

[ccexplore]

4. You mixed all the ingredients now, put everything in the oven at 200
degrees celsius. How long do you wait until you take the cookies out of the
oven?

10 minutes (1) - Akseli, NaOH, ccx
1 hour (2/3) - Simon, geoo
30 minutes (2/3) - Steve, Minim
40 minutes (1/3) - mobius
15 minutes (1/3) - Clam
5 minutes (1/3) - grams

Some people have done their research while Simon and geoo are just natural
masterchefs (as evidenced below) and know how to ensure that brownies become
crispy an really brown/black, even if you're missing the brownie mix.

Wait, so are we doing cookies or brownies here? You know what, nevermind all this fuss, I'm sure I can do just fine with only white powder and nothing else.

---------------

Did have an initial guess of 10 for #0, but ended up picking 8 as that was number of contestants last round. Considered "everyone" but wasn't sure a non-numeric answer is a good idea for feud purposes on that question.

7. Looking at your creations, you realize that maybe you should have hired a
proper chef. Who's the best chef of the Lemmings forum?

Prob Lem (1/5) - Minim

Minim thinks it's women who belong in the kitchen:
Minim: Well, I think she made Lemming figurines out of marzipan so I don't
think cooking would be much different for her

Hmm, the weird thing is, I can't seem to actually find (via search) any posts by Prob Lem that has the word "marzipan" in it.  The closest I can find is one with the word "bake" in it that referred to sponge cakes, except they were apparently made by her mom, not herself:  http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=852.msg17463;topicseen#msg17463

That said, I should've mentioned my answer is strictly for feud purposes only.  Really the only advantage Simon/geoo had over the rest of us is they've shown us pictures of their creation, but aside from maybe after a liberal application of white powder, we don't primarily eat with our eyes (and frankly, even judging by the pictures themselves I'm somewhat skeptical, usually not entirely convinced that I couldn't do better just making ramen ).

[geoo]

Wait, so are we doing cookies or brownies here? You know what, nevermind all this fuss, I'm sure I can do just fine with only white powder and nothing else.

Cookies, brownies...same thing. At least same purpose.

That said, I should've mentioned my answer is strictly for feud purposes only.  Really the only advantage Simon/geoo had over the rest of us is they've shown us pictures of their creation, but aside from maybe after a liberal application of white powder, we don't primarily eat with our eyes (and frankly, even judging by the pictures themselves I'm somewhat skeptical, usually not entirely convinced that I couldn't do better just making ramen ).

Wow, that's rude. I challenge you to post photos of your best creations. Show me your ramen delights!   And you've probably had too much white powder while writing this post, because I think photos can be a pretty good indication of how something is going to taste (unless you're deliberately trying to be deceitful, which we weren't because you know, we had to eat that stuff). Simon and I are excellent chefs and I think we should start a grad student cooking show.

In fact, I think we should have a Lemmings Forum cook-off. I'm also excellent at making Greek stews, too bad I'm in no position to cook right now because here all the food is done and served to me and all the students, and the kitchen in my place is dysfunctional, basically consisting of a sink and cupboards.


Masterchef: ccexplore level.

[ccexplore]

Wow, that's rude. I challenge you to post photos of your best creations. Show me your ramen delights!   And you've probably had too much white powder while writing this post, because I think photos can be a pretty good indication of how something is going to taste (unless you're deliberately trying to be deceitful, which we weren't because you know, we had to eat that stuff). Simon and I are excellent chefs and I think we should start a grad student cooking show.

Chill, ramen doesn't mean it's unedible.  To me ramen is a perfectly sound choice for lunch (or maybe a light dinner) when you don't want to spend too much effort on the meal (mind you, I do put or make other things to go with the noodles; a meal with just the noodles alone is not nutritionally sound).  But I stand by what I said, no pictures posted here has made me think, "ooh, I'd love to try making this myself" or "wonder how it'd taste" or "yes, I will definitely take this over making ramen/ordering pizza/Chinese/whatever from the nearest place".

I might be more convinced though if you do start a cooking show on youtube, it'll probably be a better gauge of the food anyway than a static picture.

And you've probably had too much white powder while writing this post, because I think photos can be a pretty good indication of how something is going to taste (unless you're deliberately trying to be deceitful, which we weren't because you know, we had to eat that stuff).

Even you have to admit that a picture cannot really convey, say, how the food is seasoned.  I'll grant you that the food doesn't look burned or anything; as I said, I didn't say the food is bad or even that it looks bad, but at the same time I simply need more convincing if you are to proclaim yourself master chefs .  I'll grant you that it is very fulfilling to cook something yourself, so don't let my opinions take away from your sense of accomplishment and pride on your food.

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I should also mention that with regards to the feud round, it's been said cooking and baking are fairly different.  You tend to have more leeway with cooking, whereas baking tends to be more unforgiving if you aren't exacting with the amount/proportion of ingredients, time, and steps.  Mind you, I never bake myself so this is more hearsay than anything else.

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In fact, I think we should have a Lemmings Forum cook-off. I'm also excellent at making Greek stews, too bad I'm in no position to cook right now because here all the food is done and served to me and all the students, and the kitchen in my place is dysfunctional, basically consisting of a sink and cupboards.

Okay, I'll admit the Greek stew does sound intriguing.  Maybe post a picture/recipe of that next time you (or maybe "we") made it?

[Quizmaster]

Cooking is interesting, but so is blowing out the big bucks tonight!

Noble Family Feud

1. We'll be going to a noble casino. Would you like to be a male or female guest? No scoring, but your choice will influence future questions.

2. Welcome to the noble hall of this exclusive casino, where only the most dapper ladies and gentlemen socialize. What item of clothing is mandatory for the gentlemen here? Normal feud scoring.

3. What kind of drink do you choose at the entrance? Normal feud scoring.

4. Such a nice gathering of dapper Lemmings players. Secretly, you're looking for a date! For simplicity, we assume heterosexuality. Guess whether there are more, fewer, or equally many players of the other gender. You win 0.7 points if you're right. If you guess "equally many", you get an extra 0.3 points, no matter whether you're right.

5. Let's play Texas Hold'em Poker together, because that's a very emotional game, a good choice for fiery lovebirds. You're dealt a pair of aces. What are your aces' two different suits? Normal feud scoring, order of suits is ignored.

6. Would you like to join the noble Gentlemen's Pipe Smoker's Club? Normal feud scoring, almost -- if you're female and join the club, you must buy a fake mustache before you're allowed in. The mustache costs 0.3 points, this is deducted from your overall score.

7a. If you're a member of the pipe club: How many pipes do you smoke at the club? You must smoke at least one.

7b. If you're not a member of the club: How long do you play Bacarrat, waiting for the smokers to return? You can play any number of full hours, including zero.

• Merged feud scoring: Answers to question 7a/7b from both groups are merged, then normal feud scoring applies to the merged answers. For this, x pipes is treated as equivalent to x hours of Baccarat. Exciting! In addition:
  
• Puff-Puff Duel Winner: If you smoke exactly 1 more pipe than another member of the pipe club, you win an extra 0.3 points.
  
• Desperate Gambler: If nobody plays Baccarat for longer than you, you lose an extra 0.2 points. For this, all pipe smokers play 0 hours of Baccarat.
  

8a. If you're male: You may now flirt with the ladies and buy them drinks. Each drink costs 0.1 point. How many drinks do you buy for the ladies? A total of 2 points will be distributed evenly among those gentlemen who buy the largest number of drinks. A total of 1 point will be distributed amonst those who chose the next-highest occuring value. Beware, you can easily make a loss at this question.

8b. If you're female: How many drinks do you expect the men to buy for you? If all men have bought fewer drinks than your expectation, you win nothing, you demanding fury. Otherwise, you win 1/n points, where n is the amount of gentlemen who have bought at least your expected number of drinks. So, maybe you don't want to be the easiest girl around either.

8c. Screw this? Old video games are what's important in life, not dating? Regardless of your gender, you can take 0.3 points for free instead of answering 8a/8b. However, you'll probably make the dating game easier for others.

9. Exhausted and tired, you wind up with a decent partner in the taxi back home. Do you go to your place or to your partner's? Normal feud scoring.

[Minim]

For the second straight time, the Quizmaster started off too quickly and not given everyone a chance to express their thoughts (Or second thought, in my case).

7. Looking at your creations, you realize that maybe you should have hired a
proper chef. Who's the best chef of the Lemmings forum?

geoo (1) - geoo, NaOH, mobius, Clam, Steve
Simon (4/5) - Simon, Akseli, ccx, grams
Prob Lem (1/5) - Minim

I think I know why Simon and geoo never entered my head as chefs, and thought about Prob Lem's designs instead. They've shown pictures of their creative cooking back in this thread. Posted two years ago, that never stuck in my memory whilst doing the quiz, maybe because I never posted in it.

[NaOH]

6. Would you like to join the noble Gentlemen's Pipe Smoker's Club? Normal feud scoring, almost -- if you're female and join the club, you must buy a fake mustache before you're allowed in. The mustache costs 0.3 points, this is deducted from your overall score.

1. We'll be going to a noble casino. Would you like to be a male or female guest? No scoring, but your choice will influence future questions.

Saw question 6 before question 1. Spat out my tea.

[ccexplore]

Trying to win this feud round is probably much more hassle than actually trying to get a date in real life, I tell ya.

[grams88]

Lol Ccexplore 

If you get in second or third place I think you should reward yourself at least give yourself a medal of bronze or silver. I think you got bronze in the last round if that's allowed. Yourself and Akseli got a I bronze I think.

I might be last or second last again, oh my I'm tempting fate by mentioning it. 

[geoo]

Trying to win this feud round is probably much more hassle than actually trying to get a date in real life, I tell ya.

I fully second this. This round is too hard and I just gave up and entered something.

Chill, ramen doesn't mean it's unedible.  To me ramen is a perfectly sound choice for lunch (or maybe a light dinner) when you don't want to spend too much effort on the meal (mind you, I do put or make other things to go with the noodles; a meal with just the noodles alone is not nutritionally sound).  But I stand by what I said, no pictures posted here has made me think, "ooh, I'd love to try making this myself" or "wonder how it'd taste" or "yes, I will definitely take this over making ramen/ordering pizza/Chinese/whatever from the nearest place".

Haha, I didn't expect you to take my post that seriously. My post was mostly tongue-in-cheek, I joked with Simon in the channel when I was posting. I was just amused by your ramen statement. So what do you serve as a side? I bet it doesn't look as delightful as what's printed on the ramen packages. I've eaten plenty of ramen myself during my master's, and I only cooked some stew once a week which together with a rice-cooker usually could keep me fed until the next weekend. Though there's one thing you have to admit: The stuff we posted has better nutrient value than basic ramen and is cheaper than take-out.
Can't really give away the recipe for the Greek stew because it's a secret because it's just a guideline that I improvise on, but I can tell you one secret: It uses a bottle of wine.

I might be more convinced though if you do start a cooking show on youtube, it'll probably be a better gauge of the food anyway than a static picture.

Nah, the cooking show would have to be with Simon and mostly for entertainment value rather than good food.

[ccexplore]

So what do you serve as a side? I bet it doesn't look as delightful as what's printed on the ramen packages.

I have bags of Chinese-style dumplings (similar to Japanese gyoza if you are familiar with those, but the ones I have just need to be boiled--laziness in exchange of not having the nice crispy browned bottom bit with the pan-fried+steam thing the typical gyoza asks for) in my freezer, which helps take care of protein.  An egg also works but I don't do it often because #1 cholesterol, #2 I don't cook often enough so a dozen eggs in a carton would last me a little bit longer than I prefer.  For vegetables I may throw in some corn from the freezer and maybe some fresh spinach, though I'll admit maybe I do skip veggies a little more often than I should.   [I suppose in my defense, the dumplings' filling is supposed to have some veggies mixed in with what's predominantly minced pork I think.]

I also have breaded fish sticks in the freezer which can be dealt with in my toaster (and then served on the side of course, otherwise it'll get soggy in the ramen soup), but they tend to take slightly longer than the noodles/dumplings [and is a little more unforgiving due to risk of charredness (ie. over-baked), though I suppose mushiness is also maybe a concern with over-boiling things depending on how tolerant you are of that] so it's not an option I take too often with ramen.

I do wonder whether you can throw the same ham that you guys featured in photos in ramen.  I'd imagine it may be a bit too much with the salt in both the ham and the ramen broth (but then I again I avoid drinking too much of the packaged broth anyway as it's pretty high in sodium).  Maybe a different kind of ham or cold cut of meat, that could be even simpler since they technically don't need to be cooked at all.

My guess is if one really wants to, you could probably buy some of the toppings you may see in the package (well depending on what they actually show on the package, it obviously varies widely) in Asian or even regular supermarkets.  For example that pink fish-cake thing (though frankly I think I'd pick my dumplings over that anyway, the pink is obviously pointless artificial coloring).

In principle, if I actually cook a lot and have leftovers, I suppose I could simply microwave leftovers to go with plain ramen.

I should admit that I'm frankly not that picky of an eater, and I'm sure if I'm hungry enough I'll eat all the things you've shown us in photos, regardless of how they actually taste. [edit: within reasonable limits I mean.  I am still human after all and not some dude from Jackass]

[Quizmaster]

Noble answers

1. Would you like to be a male or female guest? No scoring, but your choice will influence future questions.

male: grams88, Minim, Timballisto, Akseli
female: Simon, möbius, Insane Steve, NaOH, ccexplore, geoo

No points here, but interesting reasons: NaOH is extremely happy to be female, putting the thumbs-up emoticon. möbius wants to be a woman with big berbs because he doesn't want to work anymore.

2. Welcome to the noble hall of this exclusive casino, where only the most dapper ladies and gentlemen What item of clothing is mandatory for the gentlemen here? Normal feud scoring.

suit (1 point): Minim, NaOH, geoo
tie (2/3 points): ccexplore, Akseli
top hat (2/3 points): möbius, Timballisto
monocle (1/3 point): Insane Steve
tuxedo (1/3 point): Simon
suit and tie (1/3 point): grams88

The subclass rule screws grams here. Even though both suit and tie were excellent answers, using both cannot be counted as either. Same for the tuxedo, I believe it's not synonymous with suit.

grams88: Suit and Tie, the men must look presentable and be as uncomfortable as possible.
Insane Steve: The most dapper of monocles. AND ONLY THE MOST DAPPER OF THEM
geoo: suit (though really I think it should be a top hat)

Yes, geoo could have chosen the top hat and still come out on top hat.

3. What kind of drink do you choose at the entrance? Normal feud scoring.

martini (1 point): möbius, NaOH, ccexplore, Akseli
wine (1/4 point): grams88
beer (1/4 point): Minim
milk (1/4 point): Timballisto
water (1/4 point): geoo
champaign (1/4 point): Simon
Spyritus 192 Proof (1/4 point): Insane Steve

Dangit, martini seems like an obivous answer now.

Insane Steve: A LITERAL TEN GALLON HAT OF SPYRITUS 192 PROOF LET'S GET WRECCCCCCKKKKKED
möbius: martini [in the capybara pic] I also want to bet that I am wrong on this question, I wager 0.3 points that I will not get top answer.

No, möbius, you've lost this bet! But unfranchised gambling is forbidden, so you shall keep your wager.

4. Such a nice gathering of dapper Lemmings players. Secretly, you're looking for a date! For simplicity, we assume heterosexuality. Guess whether there are more, fewer, or equally many players of the other gender. You win 0.7 points if you're right. If you guess "equally many", you get an extra 0.3 points, no matter whether you're right.

We have 6 ladies and 4 gentlemen at this noble meetup.

male, guessing more (0.7 points): grams88
female, guessing fewer (0.7 points): geoo, Simon
guessing equally many (0.3 points): Minim, ccexplore
male, guessing fewer (no points): Timballisto, Akseli
female, guessing more (no points): möbius, NaOH, Insane Steve

NaOH: More male players. Just guessing most forum-goers will not cross-dress for this dapper event. And what do you mean heterosexuality is simpler? X-(
Insane Steve: More male players, but I mean if there aren't more this may say one of at least two things that are both equally awesome about this board.
grams88: More of the other gender, I hope this tactic works. *thumbs up*

5. Let's play Texas Hold'em Poker together, because that's a very emotional game, a good choice for fiery lovebirds. You're dealt a pair of aces. What are your aces' two different suits? Normal feud scoring, order of suits is ignored.

hearts and spades (1 point): möbius, Insane Steve, Minim, NaOH, Timballisto, Akseli
hearts and diamonds (1/2 point): grams88, ccexplore, Simon
spades and clubs (1/6 point): geoo

Minim: Spades and Hearts (Because they both look too similar)
Insane Steve: Spades and Hearts, let's lose to that idiot who flats a raise and 3-bet pre with 93 sooooted in clubs YEA
5. spades and hearts. I also want to wager 0.3 points that I will not get top answer on this question.

Möbius, you lose the bet once more. You must answer the feud more weirdly to win such a bet!

Of course, 5 happy lovebirds have called your raise and the flop brought a lovely 4, 5, 6, with two clubs. geoo stands to hit the double-runner flush!

6. Would you like to join the noble Gentlemen's Pipe Smoker's Club? Normal feud scoring, almost -- if you're female and join the club, you must buy a fake mustache before you're allowed in. The mustache costs 0.3 points, this is deducted from your overall score.

don't join (1 point): möbius, Minim, NaOH, ccexplore, geoo
join as a male (1 point): grams88, Timballisto, Akseli
buy mustache and join (0.7 points): Insane Steve, Simon

The Pipe Smoker's Club turned out just as attractive as the Baccarat table. After composing the feud, I felt unsure whether the penalty for longest Baccarat gambling was necessary. Apparently, it didn't entice everybody into smoking after all.

Insane Steve: Um yes, I mean as a biological male I'll grow a mustache, and then pur-stache the MOST DAPPER OF UPGRADES as the ultra-discerning male pretending to be a female pretending to be a male here

7a. If you're a member of the pipe club: How many pipes do you smoke at the club? You must smoke at least one.

7b. If you're not a member of the club: How long do you play Bacarrat, waiting for the smokers to return? You can play any number of full hours, including zero.

• Merged feud scoring: Answers to question 7a/7b from both groups are merged, then normal feud scoring applies to the merged answers. For this, x pipes is treated as equivalent to x hours of Baccarat. Exciting! In addition:
  
• Puff-Puff Duel Winner: If you smoke exactly 1 more pipe than another member of the pipe club, you win an extra 0.3 points.
  
• Desperate Gambler: If nobody plays Baccarat for longer than you, you lose an extra 0.2 points. For this, all pipe smokers play 0 hours of Baccarat.
  

0 hours of Baccarat (1/6 point): ccexplore
1 hour of Baccarat (0.8 points): möbius, Minim, NaOH, geoo
1 pipe in the club (1 point): grams88, Akseli
3 pipes in the club (1/3 point): Timballisto, Simon
420 pipes in the club (1/6 point): Insane Steve

Together, 1 hour of Baccarat and 1 pipe in the club were named 6 times out of 10. But only the 1 pipe scores 1 point, the 1 hour of Baccarat scores 0.8 points due to the Desperate Gambler penalty.

Despite trying very hard, nobody has won a puff-puff duel. But Insane Steve got eyeballs larger than the moon now:

7a) 420 pipes BLAZE THEM GET THE HIGHEST OF HIGH BLAZE ALL THE PIPES ALL OF THEM
7b) I'm pretty sure I walk into the baccarat room high and absolutely wasted and play 3 hours of this in the absolutely wrecked gambling realms, so yea. (Accept 7a answer. 7b answer is a joke and I'm pretty sure it didn't happen but I can't remember?!)

8a. If you're male: You may now flirt with the ladies and buy them drinks. Each drink costs 0.1 point. How many drinks do you buy for the ladies? A total of 2 points will be distributed evenly among those gentlemen who buy the largest number of drinks. A total of 1 point will be distributed amonst those who chose the next-highest occuring value. Beware, you can easily make a loss at this question.

8b. If you're female: How many drinks do you expect the men to buy for you? If all men have bought fewer drinks than your expectation, you win nothing, you demanding fury. Otherwise, you win 1/n points, where n is the amount of gentlemen who have bought at least your expected number of drinks. So, maybe you don't want to be the easiest girl around either.

8c. Screw this? Old video games are what's important in life, not dating? Regardless of your gender, you can take 0.3 points for free instead of answering 8a/8b. However, you'll probably make the dating game easier for others.

Only a single person bought drinks: Minim bought 5 drinks for a total of 0.5 points. Congratulations, you make a net profit of 1.5 points! All the real ladies, feud-wannabe-ladies, and female spambots on this board are throwing themselves all over you like walruses!

möbius, geoo, and Insane Steve win 1 point each for question 7b. möbius and Insane Steve guessed 2 or more drinks, geoo guessed 1 or more drink. Insane Steve felt inclined to reveal his subtle reasoning for all three questions:

8a) I am biologically male and would buy 0 drinks irl, but am FFuedly female so this is ignored
8b) There is a weird psychological barrier to "2 drinks." So, given that "at least" is the wording here, 2.
8c) I get blackout drunk and win a "Super Mario 3 no warps" race after the dating is done, despite being do wasted I transcend space, time, and biological sex here. (not taking 8c points)

grams88, Timballisto and Akseli play video games for 0.3 points each.

Timballisto: 8c. @#$% it - where did I put those quarters...

NaOH (guessed 6), ccexplore (guessed 6) and Simon (guessed 8) don't win anything here.

9. Exhausted and tired, you wind up with a decent partner in the taxi back home. Do you go to your place or to your partner's? Normal feud scoring.

partner's (1 point): grams88, Insane Steve, Minim, NaOH, Akseli, Simon
own place (2/3 points): möbius, Timballisto, ccexplore, geoo

Quite frankly, Q9 and Q4 were the only question in which I (Simon) did well.

geoo: my place (so I don't have to figure out how to get home at some point)
Insane Steve: Ummmm, partner, in some weird space time rift where I andfskdhjhefuioerufioeuo --passes out

Minim's closing words:

{I'm not into nightclubs so don't expect me to top this list}

Not at all, you're a nightclub king. You've made first place!

Total scores

6.850: Minim
6.133: möbius
5.967: Akseli
5.800: NaOH
5.583: geoo
5.083: grams88
4.450: Insane Steve
4.300: ccexplore
4.217: Timballisto
3.817: Simon

What a hard feud, the next one will be easier for certain. Thanks for playing!

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Interesting that it ends up more female than male.  At the start I intuitively thought it might be more male than female, but as I go through the questions that are gender-dependent, it becomes less and less clear which gender has advantage, to the point that I cross-dress myself and wussed out on question 4.

Unfortunately I didn't take heed to that when looking at question 8, somehow thinking that there are still enough males and at least one crazy one that may pick a high number just to screw with other males.  Then again maybe it's for the best that things didn't go that direction: cross-dressing, drunk and in the company of the same (biological) gender can't possibly end well.

3. What kind of drink do you choose at the entrance? Normal feud scoring.
milk (1/4 point): Timballisto
water (1/4 point): geoo

Really?  If you're going to give up, at least come up with something funny or crazy?

I'm genuinely surprised with #5 though.  Diamond is the other red suit! (plus you know what they say are a girl's best friend...)  Or maybe you folks are all into goth chicks wearing black lipstick?

#7 is one question where common sense totally escaped me for some reason, in hindsight 1 is so obvious and logical.   Oh well, at least I screwed the other baccarat players there. (probably the only screwing that happened on this noble evening)

Finally totally forgot to mention this remark for #9:  if I don't plan to see that person again, she can come to my place and be grossed out at its messiness, otherwise I better get to her place instead. (a 2nd, wink emoticon retracted as it can unintentionally put the final part of the sentence in a rather dirty light)  [For the feud though, I was thinking exactly the same line of thinking as geoo's.]

[mobius]

for once I got a lot of top answers but do not realize it at all, and that same time I choose to wager that I'd lose (honestly thinking I would), thankfully Simon didn't allow the wagering.

I hardly felt motivated to understand the complicated questions but enjoyed reading the answers for some reason; "420 pipes in the club (1/6 point)..." made me  for some reason.

[geoo]

3. What kind of drink do you choose at the entrance? Normal feud scoring.
milk (1/4 point): Timballisto
water (1/4 point): geoo

Really?  If you're going to give up, at least come up with something funny or crazy?

By my hazy memory water was actually a popular choice last time the question was about a beverage (I seem to recall at least Akseli went for that), and if you think about something to drink without any context that's actually the most basic and natural choice. I did actually think of martini due to the capybaras, but didn't expect it to be so popular.

I'm surprised at the suits of the aces too. Last time I think spades was popular when a suit of cards was part of the question, and I thought I'd just match it up with the other black suit, naturally. Well at least I'll get some big money from Steve with my clubs flush.

I love how Steve still finished before ccx, Tim and Simon despite his junk answers.

[NaOH]

This was a cool feud. I loved the fancy party theme. Thanks for hosting, Simon!

1. Would you like to be a male or female guest? No scoring, but your choice will influence future questions.

male: grams88, Minim, Timballisto, Akseli
female: Simon, möbius, Insane Steve, NaOH, ccexplore, geoo

No points here, but interesting reasons: NaOH is extremely happy to be female, putting the thumbs-up emoticon. möbius wants to be a woman with big berbs because he doesn't want to work anymore.

Wow, this one surprised me. I mean no offence, but in the past I've noticed males tend to get flustered about showing signs of femininity, so I figured, given the gender distribution on this forum, female wouldn't be a popular choice. I must be very close-minded, then!

I was actually tempted to cross-dress myself, since I felt the odds were slightly skewn in favour of males, but I thought the feud would be more interesting with at least one female player. If only I'd known.

Anyway I probably would have bought the women ladies a ton of drinks and ended up broke. Shucks.

hearts and spades

Hearts is fairly straight-forward. Spades is the other defacto special suit; it's highest in poker (IIRC) and in the game Hearts the Queen of Spades is the only non-heart card to award points.

Also, spades just seem daring to me. Clubs are boring and diamonds are what people buy when they want to get something special but have no good ideas.

NaOH (guessed 6), ccexplore (guessed 6) and Simon (guessed don't win anything here.

Shucks, I was too greedy to get Minim's drinks. Or maybe I got the five drinks and am still not satisfied. I hope they're not alcoholic drinks...

[Timballisto]

....I just genuinely enjoy drinking milk >_>

[ccexplore]

To my surprise, after some reluctant initial semi-joking prodding on IRC, it looks like I might actually have enough decent questions to consider hosting the next round (8/8.5 at the moment, still thinking through a game-style non-feud question to finish).  I'm still happy at this point to defer to someone else to host (especially if popular demand demands so), but otherwise there's a good chance I'll host the next feud round for real within the next 3-4 days.

[Quizmaster]

Sorry for the delay! And a preemptive sorry if this round's questions aren't that great, being my first time and all.

Family Feud 2014 Round 13

Except for question 9 (and 4B, which isn't so much a separate question as just a bonus attached to 4A), questions will be scored via standard feud scoring.  A few questions may explicitly specify certain answers or categories of answers as forbidden, in which case any forbidden answers received will be scored 0 instead.  The QuizMaster will reply via PM as soon as possible to warn participants of submissions with forbidden answers.  (For the most part you shouldn't need to worry, I'm not trying to trick anyone.)

1. What's the correct answer to this question?

2. We all know Akseli's king of pounding the mattress.  Who on the forums is the second-best mattress pounder?

3. We all know Simon lives to shower.  Who on the forums do you suspect showers the least?

4A. Fill in the blanks below with the funniest responses [note: no implied restrictions on number of letters or words]:

    I will give ____ (someone from here) ____ (something) for the holidays because ____ (something that person did or said recently).

For 4A scoring purposes, only your "something" response (ie. second blank above) will be used, with standard feud scoring.  The "someone" and "reason" responses are there just to open up the possibilities, and also for 4B below.

4B. Holiday bonus time!  Obviously the QuizMaster was inspired by something semi-random that someone here did or said recently, when coming up with 4A.  In other words, there were specific responses in mind filling in the blanks above, at the time QuizMaster begin formulating question 4A.  Let's call them the "inspiration responses".

For the same answer you gave in 4A, if by miracle all 3 of your responses match those in the inspiration responses, you will earn a bonus 0.2 points.  If 2 out of 3 matches, you will earn a bonus 0.1 points.  Matching is done semantically (ie. wording doesn't have to be exact, and will basically be treated reasonably leniently in favor of scoring you max bonus). For fairness:
   - The QuizMaster himself (shall he choose to participate) is not eligible for the bonus.
   - Shall the QuizMaster participate, even though there would be no bonus anyway, his answer for 4A will not be the inspiration responses.  (He thinks the inspiration responses would have been too random to work well for feud scoring in 4A anyway.)

5. Speaking of holidays, what's the best thing about Christmas?

6. You are asked to create a hazard object (ie. can kill lemmings) for the Christmas graphics set, for a remake of Holiday Lemmings (as you might know, the original Holiday Lemmings feature no deadly objects on purpose).  You are also forbidden to reuse the following hazards featured in Oh No! More Lemmings's Snow set:  icy water, icicles, and what The Lemmings Encyclopedia called the "nitrogen trap" (link to picture). So what would you use?

7. The music of Lemmings and Holiday Lemmings contain potentially-too-obvious answers, so: which of the following music from Oh No! More Lemmings is the most Christmas-y?  Please refer to your answer using letters A-F as used below (click on link to listen):
  A) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtWBEFMHk
  B) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EkZYqb0Stc
  C) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eauv0M96zI
  D) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPzTySHlcs
  E) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7ldSABWG6A
  F) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRVw8Mp5tfI

8. What would a person who does not celebrate Christmas eat on Christmas day for lunch or dinner?  Restriction:  your answer must be specific to at least a type of food, cuisine or diet--answering "same thing they'd eat normally" is for example forbidden.  Rule of thumb: if you give the answer as-is to a cook with infinite knowledge of food, the cook should know what kinds of food/dishes to prepare, without having to know the specific person, or be so generic that practically anything could be prepared.

Some examples of acceptable answers:
  - "dinosaur" (specific animal, vegetable, mineral, or really whatever random thing you can think of; an actual dish is of course also a fine choice)
  - "Martian cuisine"
  - "a high-lead diet" (amongst many possible dietary plans, including those with brand names attached if you so choose)

Note: to avoid skewing the results, the example answers given above ("dinosaur", "Martian cuisine", "high-lead diet") will also all be forbidden.

9. Newsflash: the QuizMaster has just successfully hacked Santa! The following knowledge and capabilities have been gained as a result:

• Apparently for years now, Santa had been replaced with a robot , whose behavior can now be influenced by the hack!  (The QuizMaster was originally just hoping to hack his naughty/nice list.)
• Besides completely bypassing the naught-list check for everyone, with the hack you can now also direct Santa-bot to arrive at your place on a specific time of your choosing, ranging from 12:00 midnight up to 5:00 morning (inclusive), down to the minute.
• Unfortunately due to technical limitations, the hack is unable to directly command Santa-bot to give you the best gifts.  What it can achieve though, is to influence Santa's gifting behavior via the cookies he may be offered during his visits prior to and at your house.  Basically Santa on fuller stomach will now give better gifts.  You will see this reflected in the scoring details, as explained below.

With that in mind, choose a time between 12:00 midnight to 5:00 morning (inclusive, down to the minute) for Santa's arrival, and decide on the number of cookies (can be zero) you'll offer Santa.  Alternatively, you may choose to be a decent person and refrain from directly taking advantage of the hack (say "no hacking" as your answer, which also implies you'll offer no cookies).  Scoring will be carried out as follows:

• Each cookie a participant offers to Santa will incur a cost (ie. points taken away from your score) of 0.2 points, whether or not Santa ends up consuming it.
   
• cookie and gifting mechanics:  Santa's "stomach" can hold up to 2 cookies at any moment (well it's really just simulation being a robot and all, but don't tell that to the children!).  Each cookie will last exactly 30 minutes from the time it is consumed, gone exactly on the 30-minute mark.  (For example, if Santa consumed a cookie of yours at 12:00, that cookie will be considered in his stomach from 12:00-12:29 inclusive, and no longer so at 12:30.)  Upon visiting a participant, Santa will start by expiring any cookies that are offered exactly at or more than 30 minutes prior to the current visitation time, then consume as many cookies offered by the participant as there's now room in Santa's stomach.  Then the participant will receive presents worth a score of 1 + C x 0.4 points, where C is the total number of cookies now in Santa's stomach (ie. ones he just ate, as well as the ones offered during previous visits before yours, if they happened less than 30 minutes ago).
  
  [Note: it is always a whole number of cookies--it's not like there is digestion simulation leaving fractional decrease of cookies from minute to minute.]
   
• visitation schedule:  For the hackers, Santa will visit them exactly on their specified time, except for the cases where two or more hackers happened to have chosen the same time.  For the rest of non-hackers as well as the hackers with time collisions:
  
  • In terms of scoring, they will effectively all have a visitation time exactly N x 6 minutes after the latest time (including those with time collisions) requested by a hacker, where N is the total number of hackers (including those with time collisions).
  • Due to bugs triggered by the time collision, Santa will not consume any cookies offered by the time-collided hackers. [Hey, consider yourself lucky that you even get a visit; it could've easily been triggering some other bug that would've exploded Santa-bot or something. ]  But the scoring effect from however many cookies still remain in Santa's stomach at this special "6N minutes after" visitation time, those will still be in effect for the gift score, for time-collided hackers and non-hackers alike.

[Quizmaster]

Ok, 4 people responded so far. Given this round's theme however, I guess I'll wait until after the 25th to score this, probably the 26th or 27th since some people will presumably be busy with real gifts on the 25th.

(Although if anyone's itching for a new round, I'm not opposed to wrapping this one up earlier. )

[Quizmaster]

Also until further notice, please keep to the old forums (ie. this one) for now when PMing Quizmaster with your responses.  Amongst other things, I don't currently know what the QuizMaster password is on the new forum since it's based on the January backup, and I suspect no one else remembers either.

[Quizmaster]

Sorry for delay, but I've greatly underestimated time spent on real-life activities and will probably not be able to get to scoring the round (due to some traveling that's happening) until 12/28. Happy holidays! [edit: correct typo--I meant to say 28th]

[Simon]

The quizmaster is not me, but ccexplore. So, you can safely stroke the corresponding rodent behind the ears and tell it's all right, no problem with the little delay.

Edit: replaced the Quizmaster's porcupine with the spinning hamster.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Holiday 2014 answers

1. What's the correct answer to this question?

what (1 point): Simon, geoo
yes (1 point): Timballisto, NaOH
the most popular answer (0.5 points): Akseli
42 (0.5 points): mobius
I don't know (0.5 points): ccexplore

No points, but Akseli earns one bonus cookie for his answer.

2. We all know Akseli's king of pounding the mattress.  Who on the forums is the second-best mattress pounder?

Simon (0.5 points): Simon, ccexplore
geoo (0.25 points):  Timballisto
mobius (1 point): geoo, Akseli, NaOH, mobius

2. me [hopefully since I was the first to say that quote (from The Godfather)...]

3. We all know Simon lives to shower.  Who on the forums do you suspect showers the least?

geoo (1 point): Simon, Timballisto, geoo, ccexplore
mobius (0.5 points): Akseli, mobius
Akseli (0.25 points): NaOH

I guess someone's getting deodorant for Christmas.   For the record:

3. geoo (The one who complains about Simon's showering the most. Or maybe Akseli using sauna as a substitute?)

3) geoo [reasoning: he seems to do the most traveling out of all of us, and there's slightly more of a chance of skipping or otherwise unable to shower during traveling circumstances]

3. Akseli only uses saunas and never needs a towel

3. Me, because I may have been talking to "dirty" lately on IRC 

Hmm, admittedly the sauna theory is a sound one, maybe geoo should start trying that?

4a. (the holiday 2014 LemmingsForums gifts exchange)

Simon: I will give namida 10 euros for hosting the next forum.
Timballisto: I will give geoo a shower because he needs them the most.
geoo: I will give Akseli a towel for the holidays because it'll allow him to cover his privates.
Akseli:  I will give Simon Wurst for the holidays because he gave us all light entertainment in the Lix chat.
NaOH:  I will give Akseli a towel for the holidays because he has no shame
mobius:  I will give Akseli towel(s) because he doesn't have one for the sauna.
ccexplore:  I will give ccexplore a dress for the holidays because he said he liked the crossdressing aspect of the previous feud round.

Well that was obvious in hindsight...and looks like I might've just solidified my newfound status as the community weirdo.  Then again, Tim apparently wants to give geoo a hot, steamy shower, possibly without any towels...

Anyhow...1 point each to geoo, NaOH and mobius, and 0.333 points each to everyone else.  Plus a huge stack of towels for Akseli, by popular demand.  And geoo would like to offer an extra present:

[I wanted to write "wear a turban in the sauna" but as there's 0.1 point to be gained here I'm going for the more likely answer]

4b. No one got bonus points here--frankly I called it a "bonus" but didn't honestly expect anyone to get anywhere close to this; just figures having it might add some fun and variety to 4a.  Here's my original inspiration thought:

I will give NaOH spades (ie. the tool) for the holidays because she apparently preferred them over diamonds accordingly to her comments on the previous feud round.

Also, spades just seem daring to me. Clubs are boring and diamonds are what people buy when they want to get something special but have no good ideas.

5. Speaking of holidays, what's the best thing about Christmas?

food (0.25 points): Simon
time off (0.25 points): Timballisto
presents (1 point): geoo, Akseli, NaOH, ccexplore
Christmas Lemmings (0.25 points): mobius

One bonus Surprise Package awarded for mobius' answer--the only correct answer for a true Lemmings fan.

6.  For the Christmas graphics set for a remake of Holiday Lemmings, what would you use as a hazard object (ie. can kill lemmings)?

ice machine [from Lemmings 2 Polar tribe practice level] (1 point): Simon, geoo
empty light socket (0.5 points): Timballisto
Santa Claus (0.5 points): Akseli
fireplace (0.5 points): NaOH
snowman (1 point): mobius, ccexplore

real life answer (if it were a real thing): A MUTANT ZOMBIE SANTA CLAUS THAT EATS OFF YOUR FACE

7. Which music from Oh No! More Lemmings is the most Christmas-y?

C (1 point): Simon, Timballisto, geoo, ccexplore
A (0.5 points): Akseli, NaOH
B (0.25 points): mobius

bells and whale's singing for the win

Though to Akseli and NaOH's credit, in the Amiga version of the music I linked to, I think A actually does feature more bell-like sounds than C.  (And since geoo asked: the ordering of the music choices is based on the Amiga version, it looks like.  The PC version is A, B, C, F, D, E I think.)

8. What would a person who does not celebrate Christmas eat on Christmas day for lunch or dinner?

pizza (0.5 points): Simon
toast (0.5 points): Timballisto
wurst (1 point): geoo, Akseli
leek (0.5 points): NaOH
turkey (0.5 points): mobius
chicken (0.5 points): ccexplore

9. (hacking Santa with cookies)
ccexplore: 12:00, 2 cookies (which carried over to geoo's stop)
geoo: 12:26, 1 cookie
NaOH: 1:02, 1 cookie  (which carried over to Simon's stop)
Simon: 1:21, 0 cookie
mobius: 2:00, 4 cookies
Timballisto: 3:00, 1 cookie
Akseli: no hacking (which by the given rules, implies a visit at 6x6 = 36 minutes after 3am, ie 3:36. So unfortunately no cookies left in Santa's stomach by then)

ccexplore: 1 + 2x0.4 - 2x0.2 = 1.4 points
geoo: 1 + 2x0.4 - 1x0.2 = 1.6 points
NaOH: 1 + 1x0.4 - 1x0.2 = 1.2 points
Simon: 1 + 1x0.4 - 0x0.2 = 1.4 points
mobius: 1 + 2x0.4 - 4x0.2 = 1 point
Timballisto: 1 +1x0.4 - 1x0.2 = 1.2 point
Akseli: 1 point

Total scores:

geoo: 9.6
ccexplore: 7.233
Simon: 6.983
NaOH: 6.95
Akseli: 6.333
Timballisto: 6.033
mobius: 6
Congratulations to geoo (practically a perfect score!), and merry holidays and a happy new year to all!

[geoo]

Wow, I certainly didn't expect this outcome considering how hard this round was. Almost a perfect score (could have scored 1.8 on the last one), and way ahead of everybody else!

Re: my answer with the turban, what I mean was that I'd give Akseli a towel so he can fold it into a turban to wear in the sauna because I don't believe in the necessity of covering your privates in a sauna. I opted for the obvious answer as I thought that might be the one to get 0.1 points for (so in that regard the bonus points limited rather than extended the creativity of the answer).

I think this was a very nice round with all questions ending up with good point distributions (never everyone or no-one getting the same answer), the description for the Santa round was quite lengthy but the idea was in essence not too complicated, so at least I had a good intuition for what to do.

So who's up for hosting the next round? Akseli?

[NaOH]

Congratulations to geoo for winning another feud! Doing well on these requires knowing the rest of us really well. And thank you ccexplore for hosting a fabulous round. The Santa Claus question was rather overwhelming, but the other questions were really stellar brainfood. The references to the latenight IRC conversations made me chuckle.

(Actually most of those weren't truly late at night for me, but there's always some time zone in latenight for any conversation.)

4b. No one got bonus points here--frankly I called it a "bonus" but didn't honestly expect anyone to get anywhere close to this; just figures having it might add some fun and variety to 4a.  Here's my original inspiration thought:

I will give NaOH spades (ie. the tool) for the holidays because she apparently preferred them over diamonds accordingly to her comments on the previous feud round.

Also, spades just seem daring to me. Clubs are boring and diamonds are what people buy when they want to get something special but have no good ideas.

I don't think I'd have guessed this in a million years Oh well, that's why it's a bonus question.

So who's up for hosting the next round? Akseli?

Akseli. Seconded.

[geoo]

2014 is over now, here's the overall tally of winners:

geoo 6
Akseli 3
NaOH 2
LemSteven 1
Minim 1

[ccexplore]

If anyone is interesting in hosting next round, please PM me (ccexplore) rather than QuizMaster for the password to the QuizMaster account.  Simply because I can't be bothered to log in separately every day to the QuizMaster account just to see if anyone PM'd there for that.

[Akseli]

I think I've never commented any Feud round due to laziness even though I've always had something to say.

#1 - Really no one wasn't bothered to go the way I went here?
#2 - Everyone probably knows by now that mobius infected me with this.
#4 - Huh? This was a question I was sure that no one ever was going to get the same answer with anyone else. Didn't even think about the towel thing, was that really that memorable? :--D
#7 - C, obviously in DOS because it sounded like it and also is always remembered being the tune in the first Snow level, Tame3: Undercover Lemming. I changed my answer to A at the last moment, because in Amiga samples it sounded more Christmas-y like ccx stated. :I
#8 - I actually am not that proud of getting points with this answer anymore... But I'm definitely not disgracing geoo at all for answering this, it's absolutely fine to seriously try to go with the answer that one thinks to be the most popular one, obviously.

Oh yea, and I originally replied now in this topic because I could host the next round, so ccx, could I have the Quizmaster's password, please? [sent via PM from QuizMaster --ccexplore]