What does everyone make of Lemmings Paintball?

[Prob Lem]

I've had a look around for a thread like this, but there doesn't seem to be one. If I've missed one, please do point me there, instead!

Anyway, I've been wondering for a while, what's the general consensus on Lemmings Paintball, around here?

It's always seemed to be a bit of a divisive game among fans of the Lemmings series, as far as I've ever been able to tell, and I remember that it became a budget-priced title shockingly fast, at the time of its release. Hell, just over sixteen years on, I *still* don't quite know what I make of it, aside from the thoughts listed below;

1: The lemming illustrations on the menus and success/failure screens are weird-looking.

2: The in-game sprites are cute and I wish that I had the ability to rip them.

3: The controls, collision-detection, and player-lemming path-finding make things much more rage-inducingly difficult than they need to be by frequently behaving in a stupid fashion.

4: I quite like the music and really need to find a way to make accurate MP3s of it that sound as they did on the SoundBlaster-bearing Microsoft Windows 95 box that I first played it on.

5: The game has an odd intro and ending.

All of this said, I'm still not really sure whether I like or dislike the game, so I'm just wondering what everyone else thinks of it.

[mobius]

I was waiting for this!  I was actually going to make my own post eventually but I'm glad you did.

I'll write more later when I have time. For now; I like the game, indeed. And play it again from time to time.

I have the MIDI music files too and unfortunately, my Adobe Audition can't read them I think so I would like to turn up the volume because they are really quiet for some reason. Do you know of a way to get Audition (or any program) to work with MIDI files?

[Prob Lem]

I'm afraid I've never even heard of Adobe Audition until your mention of it, there! I use Linux, and Adobe doesn't really make a lot of stuff available for Linux. (My plan was to perhaps install this old Windows 95 disc I've got hanging around here in DOSBox, to get the sound I remember.)

[Minim]

Ah yes, I've also played this game before (and I remember that my CD also came with a free Lemmings game for Windows ) I certainly enjoyed this idea, having to shoot enemies before advancing. Even though I'm not into shooters, I've found Lemmings Paintball funny, unique and quite charming compared to the others, which had me playing for a while. If only they had more levels and had an idea about having some checkpoint positions for those longer levels (such as Grossi's Lair and Dead End Lemming), it would be a little more interesting. But still, I've enjoyed this unique shooter game for quite a few years.

[mobius]

I bought Paintball when I was pretty young and liked it for a few reasons. First of all it comes bundled with Windows Lemmings 95, so I got to play L1 again after a few years since after our computers didn’t have DOS anymore.
Anyway, I like the game despite having quite a few flaws. I like the isometric style. The concept is pretty cool and has some interesting chellenges. Getting the Lemmings to go where you want can be kind of confusing at first. But given the difficulties I think they actually handled it not too poorly. One of the biggest problems is lemmings can be hidden behind walls. They should have made them highlighted or something while hidden.

It has sort of the same flaws the other Lemmings games do. There are a good number of levels that are just kind of plain or boring. [The very first level is so easy its almost insulting] On the other hand there are some really fun puzzles, as well as some “dodging” challenges with the enemy lemmings or time tests.

My favorite levels are: Vortex, Lemming Aid, Bouncy Boing, The Red Lemming Connection, Lemmings in the Wood 2, (not 1!!!!!), Grossi’s Lair, Lemming Drops.

my least favorite are Lemmings in the Woods 1, To switch or not to switch, 12 Assasins of Lemming, and Dead End Lemming

I like the little clay animation cut scenes as well 

This game also has what I personally think is the most annoying level of any video game in history;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHxQOg1WpY&list=PLFAD0F65DD9F84AB5

go to 4:50

[Minim]

Oh yes, the annoying sheep's noise. " title="Angry" class="smiley" /> That's probably the biggest flaw in the game. That's why I couldn't be bothered to play that level. Luckily it was only on this level and nothing else. I also hated those rockets that appear out of nowhere (From I think Taxing 15 and Mayem 9). They always spook me.

[mobius]

yeah, I have to wonder if the level designer put those sheep in there as a prank or some sort of in-joke thing and it was accidentally left in or something... It's so odd and annoying.

the rockets could be annoying too. Possibly the weirdest hidden trap ever. My favorite trap is the green monster or the "hand".  that scared me as a kid.

[grams88]

Oh yes the annoying sheep used to annoy my brother, somehow I liked it. 

To be honest I really liked this game, spent a lot of time trying to complete which eventually I managed to beat the game around five years ago.  The level that was holding me back was the red lemming connection mayhem one.  I agree the rocket traps were kind of spooky in a way

I would really like there to be a lemmings 2 paintball (who else agrees)

There was a website which I think was called Leo's lemmings paintball.

[Minim]

I probably would've liked to see some sort of expansion, but as it is actually a spinoff, they probably didn't have any intention of sequelising this game, or maybe it wasn't popular enough?

There was a website which I think was called Leo's lemmings paintball.

I think it's actually Lee's lemmings paintball, but it doesn't really matter because it's now closed down.

[DragonsLover]

I'm surprised Lee's website is no more, but anyways. I remember that within the game, there's a level editor included but kinda unknown to access. I know that, because the dialog boxes that served to edit levels are still inside the executable. Those are:
- Enter the level name
- Enter the lift data
- Edit the general properties
- Edit the ice sliding
- Edit the starting position of paintguns
- Edit the moving ground style
- Edit the ball speed
- Edit ammo
- Edit invisible switches

There are command lines to use, but their usage is still unknown. Once we could figure out how all this works, then surely that we could be able to edit our own Lemmings Paintball levels. And also, uncompressing the PBAIMOG.VSR file would definitely help. That's all I know.

[mobius]

I'm surprised Lee's website is no more, but anyways. I remember that within the game, there's a level editor included but kinda unknown to access. I know that, because the dialog boxes that served to edit levels are still inside the executable. Those are:
- Enter the level name
- Enter the lift data
- Edit the general properties
- Edit the ice sliding
- Edit the starting position of paintguns
- Edit the moving ground style
- Edit the ball speed
- Edit ammo
- Edit invisible switches

There are command lines to use, but their usage is still unknown. Once we could figure out how all this works, then surely that we could be able to edit our own Lemmings Paintball levels. And also, uncompressing the PBAIMOG.VSR file would definitely help. That's all I know.

holy crap on your momma's shoes!  I never considered making levels in Lemmings Paintball... There are certainty possibilities

[DragonsLover]

Lee started building his own Lemmings Paintball editor. There were only screenshots of it on his website, along with unimplemented elements.

You can still access to the site in the archives and look at the screens there.

[grams88]

Hi everyone

I never considered making levels in Lemmings Paintball... There are certainty possibilities

That might be something I might consider for the future making levels for lemmings paintball as long as it's not too complicated.

This game also has what I personally think is the most annoying level of any video game in history;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHxQOg1WpY&list=PLFAD0F65DD9F84AB5

That level was a nightmare especially when the flag is so near but then a wall blocks you off.  (Still not a bad level I thought)

I spent a lot of time playing this game, very fun. 

 

[grams88]

I bought this game twice, the very first disc I had was scratched to bits that it wouldn't work anymore so I decided to buy another one which I still have to this day. yippee

I wonder if we could contact Lee about the level editor.

[Flopsy]

Lemmings Paintball level editor! *mindblown*

That's something I could actually really get lost in if it existed!

I did an LP of Lemmings Paintball on my YT channel a few years ago and I think the worst levels in the LP were hands down the Mayhem levels
Mayhem 5 - Teaching a Lemming New Tricks (those damn star platforms are so hard to get onto for some reason!)
Mayhem 7 - Lemmings in the Woods (yeah the sheep are annoying but not a hard level overall)
Mayhem 8 - 12 Assassins of Lemming (a bit of a shoot out but at least you get 3 extra lemmings)
Mayhem 9 - Big Trouble in Little Level (this solution is showed in demo on title screen, imagine solving it without that help!)
Mayhem 10 - Dead End Lemming (F**k this level, seriously. 5 minutes and 2 lemmings is not enough for this!)
Mayhem 13 - Babylem 5 (this is hands down the hardest level in the game puzzlewise, it's just so tough to work out)
Mayhem 14 - Lemming Aid (this level is just long and full of times you can trip up!)
Mayhem 17 - Lemming Flambe (platforming nightmare with 3 flags!)
Mayhem 18 - Nowhere to Run (repeat of 12 assassins and there's little difference!)
Mayhem 19 - Lemmings DiLemma (another tricky puzzle!)
Mayhem 20 - The Last Red Lemming Connection (yeah, this level is tricky in terms of puzzle and shooting!)
Mayhem 22 - Be Careful Who You Shoot (this is a repeat of Mayhem 19, a weak last level but it's even harder)

I'm just curious also if anyone managed to try out the Network Game option in Lemmings Paintball, I was never able to get it working sadly and I've never seen the 2 player specific levels let alone how many there are.
It was so complicated to get the Network Game set up I thought, it would also have been an interesting game to play on multiplayer.

[grams88]

Hi Flopsy

Sorry to hear about the bad news Flopsy. Life can be very cruel.

I found this youtube channel which looks quite interesting. I've tried the two player lemmings paintball but it was a long time ago and it does seem like something that was fun to do, I remember it being a nightmare to set up as you were saying.

Here's a link I found a while back which shows what the two player was like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Y8iYyYUJk

I'm not too sure how many two player levels they were.

I remember that one well watching you do the lets play of the lemmings paintball, that was a fun one to watch and actually made me want to play the game again which was something I did. (You got me playing that game again). You done it well the game, was that you blindly doing the lets play of lemmings paintball?

I might as well add my top ten hardest levels or the ones that I found to be the hardest. It's in a random order so maybe not a top ten as such.

Mayhem 10 (Dead End Lemming) This was one that took me a long time, I think at first I cheated to get past this level to see what levels came next but don't I did manage to complete this one the proper way.

Mayhem 20 (The Last Red Lemming Connection) That was the level that stopped me on my tracks and I think it wasn't until I was 18 that I managed to complete that one once and for all.

Mayhem 9 (Big trouble in little level) Yeah I had to wait on the demo screen coming up to solve that one.

Mayhem 13 (Babylem 5) It's a very hard level, I might actually go as far as to call this the second hardest level in the game. I found the last red lemming connection the hardest.

Mayhem 7  (Lemmings in the Woods) Oh I really liked the sheep and the level, I know this was something my brother hated with a passion those sheep. I would say this level was hard for the reason that you had to search everywhere. In a way this is the like lemmings paintball search for the exit type of level.

Taxing 23 (Curse of the paintball) When I saw this level for the first time I thought it looked impossible.

Mayhem 14  (Lemming Aid) One mistake and you lose the level. I found this level fun but I can also understand if anyone finds this level frustrating.

Mayhem 17  (Lemming Flambe) Sort of similar to lemming Aid in that you can't make too many mistakes. The level itself looks really nice.

Mayhem 2 (Let's split) This was one I used to struggle with in the past. I used to get frightened with the green dots which used to kill the lemmings. I think I remember the lemmings making a sound which used to scare me.

Taxing 15 (Its a-maze-ing) I think this was one I found hard because of the bit at the end of the level where you could get taken away in a rocket, there were a few rocket traps located at the end of the level if you were to pick the wrong path to the flag.

One last thing I was going to say was we need more people to do a lets play of lemmings paintball. I think that would be cool. It's interesting seeing what peoples opinion is of the game.

[Flopsy]

Wow great find there grams

me and Mobius are enjoying this video and are thinking of going one better than LPing the game.

We are interested in doing a stream (or a video if no one is interested in watching live) of us playing the multiplayer on Lemmings Paintball if we can get it working.

If we were able to get it working then would anyone else on here be interested in playing.
Obviously it's only 2 player and you'll need a real copy of the game (or a pirated copy, not sure whether it is somewhere on the internet).