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Offline Prob Lem

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Seeking classics I missed!
« on: March 14, 2013, 10:25:09 PM »
I've been annoyed lately at how there's an ever-increasing dearth of games to my interest these days (only two or three companies, at the most, produce anything that I want to play, anymore), so I've been looking to older games that I missed the first time around. Mostly I'm focussed on the SNES, Mega Drive, Amiga, and Atari ST right now, but any suggestions up to the PSX are fine, really, if you have any to share. :P

Very specifically, I'm seeking suggestions for well-known titles that I've missed, after I noticed that my collection contains obscurities like Lomax, The Adventure of Little Ralph, and Intrepid, but that it's missing the likes of Parasol Stars, Krusty's Super Fun House, and Frogger!

For what it's worth, I tend towards platformers and anything with a Lemmings'y twist, but I'm not averse to other genres, too, as long as they're not RPGs (I hate RPGs)!

I'm happy to share suggestions with others in the same boat, too, of course. :)

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2013, 01:41:12 AM »
Have you played Rod Land? I didn't get to play many Amiga games before the disk drive decided to die horribly, but that game was probably my favourite outside of Lemmings. It's a single-screen platform game where you can summon ladders and smack enemies silly with your magic wand. You can also collect all the flowers in each level for a chance of an extra life. :)
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2013, 01:43:36 AM »
Funnily enough, Rod Land is one of the ones on my must-buy list! :D A grand suggestion, and dead-on, I must say.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2013, 02:07:48 AM »
I'd highly recommend playing Wonderboy in Monsterland for the Sega Master System. It has a very slight RPG element - you buy upgrades for your armour, and special weapons as you go along, but it's mainly an action platformer. The RPG element just changes the way the game can be played in certain areas.

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2013, 02:18:06 AM »
Looks like we share a taste in Games then, I hate RPGs too. :P

If you're not averse to DOS (or have already played all of them, perhaps that's why you didn't ask for DOS :P), I'd recommend Pushover and StoneAge, both excellently designed puzzle games.
Of course for platformers, Prince of Persia and Commander Keen, in particular 5, which you probably know already though.
On the Genesis, there's a platformer called Kid Chameleon which, as far as I know, was Sega's answer to Super Mario (and it shows :P), it's pretty challenging the first time around, but I find it very enjoyable.
That's all I can think of right now, and then I haven't played that many games.

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 01:52:06 AM »
I'd highly recommend playing Wonderboy in Monsterland for the Sega Master System. It has a very slight RPG element - you buy upgrades for your armour, and special weapons as you go along, but it's mainly an action platformer. The RPG element just changes the way the game can be played in certain areas.
I loved Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap when I was a youngster, and I've often wondered about this, so I'm going to ask ( :P ): Is Wonder Boy in Monsterland worth it after that, or will it seem too dated or possibly clunky in comparison?

Looks like we share a taste in Games then, I hate RPGs too. :P
Hah, it's always nice to know that I'm not alone in that! Seems to be a somewhat rare thing, at times, though I'm sure it probably isn't, and that that's a result of the media skewing things in some way or another.

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If you're not averse to DOS (or have already played all of them, perhaps that's why you didn't ask for DOS :P), I'd recommend Pushover and StoneAge, both excellently designed puzzle games.
I'm not averse to MS-DOS, though I didn't mention it for a reason. I probably should have mentioned that in the first place!

I go through phases with what sorts of games I'm in the right frame of mind to play. Right now, my focus is stuff that was well-known in the UK and Europe in the early to mid-1990s, that I somehow didn't find interesting at the time even though it actually was to my tastes. When I was a kid, unappealing character design could put me off of a game entirely, for example; It does mean that there's now a goldmine of games to my tastes in these times of games-to-my-taste drought, at least! I could probably have expanded my list of systems a bit, to that end, since the Master System (which an alarming amount of people are forgetting was Europe's dominant-by-far 8-bit console) was still going strong, too.

It was the case that x86 hardware running MS-DOS and/or Microsoft Windows wasn't really much of a player in the games market here at all until around 1996, for most people (x86 hardware's place largely seemed to be in workplaces, and most home users had Amigas and Atari STs). The very first MS-DOS game I ever encountered myself was Lemmings 3D, funnily enough. :P I've recently gone through a phase of picking up MS-DOS stuff that wasn't really a big thing here, so I'm on to different pastures for the time being. :)

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Of course for platformers, Prince of Persia and Commander Keen, in particular 5, which you probably know already though.
I have most of the Commander Keen games by virtue of them still being sold, luckily enough. Keen 5 is at about the limit of the hardware I usually emulate classic games on, though.

I have never played Prince of Persia. I know that I need to rectify this, so thanks much for suggesting it. :D

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On the Genesis, there's a platformer called Kid Chameleon which, as far as I know, was Sega's answer to Super Mario (and it shows :P), it's pretty challenging the first time around, but I find it very enjoyable.
That's all I can think of right now, and then I haven't played that many games.
I have Kid Chameleon! Brilliant title, that. For some reason, these days it puts me in mind of a game version of the cartoon series, Ben 10. :D I can only imagine that, had that been a 1990s TV series, that's the kind of game that would have been made of it.

Thanks guys, the suggestions are much appreciated. :D

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 02:49:27 AM »
I'd highly recommend playing Wonderboy in Monsterland for the Sega Master System. It has a very slight RPG element - you buy upgrades for your armour, and special weapons as you go along, but it's mainly an action platformer. The RPG element just changes the way the game can be played in certain areas.
I loved Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap when I was a youngster, and I've often wondered about this, so I'm going to ask ( :P ): Is Wonder Boy in Monsterland worth it after that, or will it seem too dated or possibly clunky in comparison??

I think Monsterland feels pretty smooth. I'd definitely recommend playing the Master System version - it's the most polished port.

I did a longplay of it here if you want to take a look and see how smoothly it plays. It's got a couple of subplots which keep the game interesting... there's a bit of a glitch which happens in Round 4 occasionally, where you get send into some sort of glitchy world, but that always rectifies itself.. just pissing annoying when you're going for a perfect run and lose a heart due to the eggtimer running out.

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2013, 04:24:17 AM »
This might just be for me*. Thanks for the link - I had no idea that SMSLemmings on YouTube was associated with the Lemmings Forums. I've watched a load of your videos before now, funnily enough. :thumbsup:

What happens with the glitch in Round 4, out of curiousity?

*And a quick look on eBay shows it to be very affordable, too, which is another reason for my choice to seek out older games at the moment. They're generally even cheaper than the somewhat-similarly-priced schlock that seems to choke a lot of platforms, now. :P

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2013, 04:55:37 AM »
Hehe!

I set up that YouTube account about a year before hosting the forum. Glad you enjoy watching the videos on there! Once I've got my PVR set up again, I plan to record some better quality SMS videos.

Just before the door to the boss battle on Round 4, there's a jump you can do to get hidden coins on top of the building where the boss door is. Sometimes - if you land in the wrong spot - you'll find yourself unable to scroll backwards, and you can't interact with any doors. So, you have to keep going left, falling through the floor, landing on top of glitchy buildings and falling through other buildings until you eventually get back to the boss door.

I keep meaning to play through it again - it's a game which requires a console to fully appreciate, though, and that means going up in the loft of my grandparents' house.

Another game to bear in mind is Psycho Fox - it's a nice take on a platform game. :-)

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2013, 05:41:34 AM »
Hehe!

I set up that YouTube account about a year before hosting the forum. Glad you enjoy watching the videos on there! Once I've got my PVR set up again, I plan to record some better quality SMS videos.
It was very handy in helping to pick out a good level to take a screenshot from for a background for photographing my most recent plush lemming, too, actually, so thanks for that. :D

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Just before the door to the boss battle on Round 4, there's a jump you can do to get hidden coins on top of the building where the boss door is. Sometimes - if you land in the wrong spot - you'll find yourself unable to scroll backwards, and you can't interact with any doors. So, you have to keep going left, falling through the floor, landing on top of glitchy buildings and falling through other buildings until you eventually get back to the boss door.
How unusual. I wonder if it's present in the arcade game, too, or if it's unique to the Master System version?

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Another game to bear in mind is Psycho Fox - it's a nice take on a platform game. :-)
I have Psycho Fox, and its spiritual-sequel, Decap Attack, too (I don't have the Japanese version of the latter, Magical Hat Flying Turbo Adventure, though I gather that the level designs are different). Haven't had the time to put into actually finishing them yet, though. Must get around to that!

Also, I just realised that I completely forgot to comment on geoo's suggestions of Pushover and Stone Age! :o Oops! Sorry about that!

Those two have Amiga versions, too, and whilst I've not heard of Stone Age before (I assume this is the same title?), I know that Pushover (which in its original incarnation, at least, was sponsored by the weird British cheese-flavoured potato snack, Quavers) is well-regarded. More to add to the list! :D

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2013, 05:52:10 AM »
Hehe!

I set up that YouTube account about a year before hosting the forum. Glad you enjoy watching the videos on there! Once I've got my PVR set up again, I plan to record some better quality SMS videos.
It was very handy in helping to pick out a good level to take a screenshot from for a background for photographing my most recent plush lemming, too, actually, so thanks for that. :D

You're very welcome - those plushes are SO cute! You've got a real talent there!

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Just before the door to the boss battle on Round 4, there's a jump you can do to get hidden coins on top of the building where the boss door is. Sometimes - if you land in the wrong spot - you'll find yourself unable to scroll backwards, and you can't interact with any doors. So, you have to keep going left, falling through the floor, landing on top of glitchy buildings and falling through other buildings until you eventually get back to the boss door.
How unusual. I wonder if it's present in the arcade game, too, or if it's unique to the Master System version?

As far as I'm aware, it's unique to the Master System version - the Master System version was built from scratch, as far as I'm aware! :-)

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Another game to bear in mind is Psycho Fox - it's a nice take on a platform game. :-)
I have Psycho Fox, and its spiritual-sequel, Decap Attack, too (I don't have the Japanese version of the latter, Magical Hat Flying Turbo Adventure, though I gather that the level designs are different). Haven't had the time to put into actually finishing them yet, though. Must get around to that!

I always preferred Psycho Fox over Decap Attack, but there's something fun about screaming "DECAPITATION" at the top of your voice every time you kill an enemy in Decap Attack!

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2013, 06:18:49 AM »
Those two have Amiga versions, too, and whilst I've not heard of Stone Age before (I assume this is the same title?), I know that Pushover (which in its original incarnation, at least, was sponsored by the weird British cheese-flavoured potato snack, Quavers) is well-regarded. More to add to the list! :D
Yep, that's the one. It's a very pure puzzle game, so no kind of precision or anything needed. There's an easy mode and a hard mode, the only difference is that the time limit is a lot more lenient in easy mode. So unless you like to solve puzzles under time pressure, easy mode is the way to go. I think they should have done away with the time limits and the life system (each time you run out of time you lose a life, and once you lose 5 you have to enter a level code to get back to where you were). I noticed I have a folder with the tracker music of StoneAge, and it's a completely different soundtrack from the DOS version. I think I prefer the DOS music, but then I'm fond of Adlib. :)
Pushover was also released for SNES, I only thing I know about that version is that level 91 works differently (or is different, I don't recall).

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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2013, 10:47:05 AM »
You're very welcome - those plushes are SO cute! You've got a real talent there!
Ee, thanks very much! :-[

Yep, that's the one. It's a very pure puzzle game, so no kind of precision or anything needed. There's an easy mode and a hard mode, the only difference is that the time limit is a lot more lenient in easy mode. So unless you like to solve puzzles under time pressure, easy mode is the way to go. I think they should have done away with the time limits and the life system (each time you run out of time you lose a life, and once you lose 5 you have to enter a level code to get back to where you were).
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Pushover was also released for SNES, I only thing I know about that version is that level 91 works differently (or is different, I don't recall).
I'm going to hit YouTube later and check out the different versions of both of these games, methinks... All I (vaguely) know about the SNES version is that it lacks the Quavers sponsorship, and even then I'm not 100% sure that that's the case!

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I noticed I have a folder with the tracker music of StoneAge, and it's a completely different soundtrack from the DOS version. I think I prefer the DOS music, but then I'm fond of Adlib. :)
I lean towards Amiga music myself, but again, I'm going to head to YouTube and see which I prefer before I try to track anything down. :P

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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2013, 04:08:23 PM »
Benefactor (Amiga, CD32)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjlo6l8NzR0

Fury of the furries (Amiga, CD32, PC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vD80v5PZ-A

Pac in time (PC, Mac, SNES) variant of 'Fury of the furries' but check SNES version
PC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCXxPcFimTU
SNES (different one) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSvCiL9oJJg

Putty (Amiga)
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Silly Putty (SNES)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFeZeKhnJhM

Putty squad (SNES)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3LBjR0VL4

One step beyond (Amiga, Atari ST, PC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7MlVHitcSE

Ugh (Amiga, PC, C64)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzM1qHJ04k0

Lost in mine (Amiga)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5ovfC0Rl2U

Troddlers (Amiga, SNES, PC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc13_0voSEU

Cool croc twins (Amiga, Atari ST, PC, C64)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ebCUo-ytw

Gulp (Amiga, CD32)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33POMcQBBaY

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 10:23:02 AM »
Thanks Leo - some great ones there.

Funnily enough, I already have the SNES versions of both Putty and Putty Squad, and Troddlers has been on my "shopping list" for a little while. :D

Also, I had no idea that Pac in Time had any relation to Fury of the Furries... :o

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 11:32:54 AM »
Will definitely consult this list in the future, although for me, I kinda feel like I should at least complete all the PC lemmings game in the franchise first (well, maybe minus Lomax and Paintball as they aren't IRS).  I still have some levels left in Lemmings 3, about 1/3 of Lemmings Revolution, and I haven't played a single Lemmings 3D level yet (admittedly I'm still not sure if I'll like doing the game in 3D).

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 11:43:35 AM »
(well, maybe minus Lomax and Paintball as they aren't IRS)
I would recommend going with the PlayStation version of Lomax, myself. The Microsoft Windows version is a hobbled port of it, and it lacks transparencies - these elements are displayed as solid in the Windows version, and considering the fact that some levels use translucent foreground effects very heavily, your vision would be impaired quite badly.

I do very highly recommend the game, though. It's my second-most-favourite game in the Lemmings series, though it's just about tied with the first...

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and I haven't played a single Lemmings 3D level yet (admittedly I'm still not sure if I'll like doing the game in 3D).
... Which just so happens to be Lemmings 3D. :D

I love it, myself - it challenges you to think of the consequences of the lemmings' actions in multiple dimensions, and it's really quite refreshing. It's also devoid of some of the more frustrating aspects of the titles that came before it (for example, levels where you you mess up late on and just use replays to skip up to that point on your next attempt are counted as having been completed "properly", unlike The Lemmings Chronicles, and there are never any instances of expecting you to know obscure/convoluted tricks in order to pass a level). Just bear in mind that it's block-based instead of pixel/tile-based, and it all falls into place quite nicely.

If you're going with the MS-DOS version, be sure to check all of the keyboard/mouse commands first, though. Whilst I always found them to be nicely intuitive, some folks seem to find them confusing. Same for the equally-intuitive PlayStation version, too, really. :P

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 11:47:51 AM »
cc: At least the blocky L3D landscape should be to your liking, and the already mentioned legal action replay.

Pushover, One Step Beyond, and Stoneage are great puzzle games, with only the time limits and life systems as major annoyances. There are a few special tiles to learn in each game, but not many. Another nice puzzle game is Avish, DOS only. It's not well-known, but its physics are fully discrete and there is no time limit.

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 03:35:06 PM »
Another nice puzzle game is Avish, DOS only. It's not well-known, but its physics are fully discrete and there is no time limit.
I just had to look this up, 'cos I've never heard of it before (there's a video here, for everyone else :P), and it looks pretty clever! Nice one. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 04:46:47 PM »
There is one Lemmings game (I think) not even mentioned here on the forum, 'Lemmings Tribes' (Glu Mobile). It is just mobile version, but can be played on the PC with a help of the emulator.
There are 3 tribes in the game, Classic, Space and Medieval. Game is different compared to any other Lemmings game. Only problem for me is a lack of mouse support, I really don't like to play Lemmings with keyboard (joypad/joystick doesn't help either). But, whoever don't mind playing with keyboard, should really consider to try this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YlrNBGADy8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIf0lMDRk9I

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 05:44:55 PM »
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Troddlers (Amiga, SNES, PC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc13_0voSEU

Good call! Troddlers was one of my favourite Amiga games back in the day, and was obviously inspired by Lemmings.

I still search google every now and again, hoping someone has made a remake or a level editor for one of the ports.

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2013, 12:53:13 PM »
Hi Prob Lem

Check my you tube account see if you like any of the atari st games I have on there, I only have four long plays.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TGreyhair/videos?flow=grid&view=0

Three of the games are quite rare ones but the blues brothers was a classic.

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2013, 06:12:37 PM »
Thanks very much, grams88. :thumbsup:

This is very timely, as I've just been starting to focus on looking into what I've missed on the Atari ST over the last couple of days, funnily enough!

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2013, 09:51:48 PM »
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Have you played Rod Land? I didn't get to play many Amiga games before the disk drive decided to die horribly, but that game was probably my favourite outside of Lemmings. It's a single-screen platform game where you can summon ladders and smack enemies silly with your magic wand. You can also collect all the flowers in each level for a chance of an extra life.

I got my dads mate into this game two years ago as I thought it was challenging.  I liked the yellow guys at the start of the game and later on the yellow guys end up multiplying and it ends up they are loads around.  :thumbsup:   

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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2013, 08:27:46 AM »
Suggestions, eh? Then you should try out Rayman 1. It's one of the best platformers out there. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2013, 11:22:52 PM »
I like that suggestion, and funnily enough, I already have the game. :thumbsup:

It's been on my next-to-finish list ever since I completed Lomax - which you should probably check out if you like both Lemmings and Rayman, which I'm guessing you do, since it's very much in that vein.

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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2013, 08:44:16 AM »
I have not yet played Lomax, but I'm sure I will love it, because the style is similar to Rayman 1.  :D

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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2013, 10:44:44 PM »
I've have been playing this game on the Atari st called Erik, Interesting game so close to completing it in one run.  I can get to the spider boss but I'm always getting killed (Maybe I might do a long play of this game as I think it's really fun)

http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-st-erik_9241.html

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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2013, 04:58:12 PM »
Amiga were my favorite days.  Lemmings being my true favorite game on it, this was followed by 'fury of the furries' (which i noticed someone else mentioned.    If you haven't tested it, its really a must)

it's an amazing platform puzzler.   The early levels are more about just platform run and jump, but then you start getting into solving puzzles to get through the level.   

Great fun, awsome level music.

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 11:45:11 AM »
Has anyone tried the game Cloud Kingdoms for the atari st, I managed to complete this game around the start of the year,

A very tricky game but sure is fun.