Family Feud (Round 15)

[Quizmaster]

Hey,

this is a quiz show!

You'll be asked some very simple questions, e.g., "name a common pet other than dog". Players submit their answers via private message, and you must try to match the most popular answer. In the example, you should name the pet which you also expect the other players to name. In other questions, you might be asked to pick a number from a given range, but the winner is whoever picks a number which nobody else chose.

Anyone on the forums is invited to participate -- the more players, the merrier, and the more diverse the answers will be. :-)

The Quizmaster is a secondary account of Simon, to keep personal messages separated. When participating in a quiz, send your PMs to the Quizmaster, not to Simon.

Rules for participation:

• You may join or leave at any time, without notice. Just start by submitting an entry to the current challenge.
  
• You participate in a challenge by sending your answers to the Quizmaster (not to Simon) via private forum message. The easiest way to do so is to click the speech bubble icon below the recipient's avatar.
  
• As long as the challenge is still open, you can override your earlier entry by submitting another one.
  
• Only the newest challenge is open for submitting answers. After 2 to 6 days, depending on participation, the challenge ends. I will post results and statistics, and make a new challenge.
  
• When you are asked to name things, I will fix all spelling errors, capitalization, and punctuation. However, two things are not considered equal if one is a subclass of the other. "ice-cream" and "Ice Ceram" are considered equal, but "ice-cream" and "chocolate ice-cream" are different things.
  
• This type of quiz is very prone to lobbying or teammaking. Please refrain from discussing popular answers while you're still not sure what you're finally going to guess.
  

We're starting right now! See next post for the first challenge.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

First challege! What will be the hottest answers? You get more points by answering what everyone else answers.

This challenge is closed, see results in next post.

-- Simon

[Simon]

Bumping the topic over the counting one. This needs publicity! What fun! ccx, geoo, Akseli, Clam have already entered.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Ironically, by the time I read this the bump already has no effect.

The one big disadvantage of doing this as a forum game is that it necessarily discourages forum posting, since one has to wait a few days to gather responses from enough people, and people are not allowed to discuss the quiz questions in the meantime (without influencing the game in undesired ways).  Still, I really hope the first game will prove worthwhile to continue on additional games.

[Quizmaster]

1. A very easy start: What's the easiest level in Lemmings 1?
Just Dig: 4
We all fall down (on increased splat distance versions): 1

2. What is the most useless skill in Lemmings 2 other than the Diver? (Screenshot of practice skill selection, if you need ideas. If you don't know the skill's name, state row and column.)
Skier: 3
Archer: 1
Roller: 1

3. You're a busy college student, living alone, and you're very hungry. What will you have for dinner?
Ramen: 3
Noodles: 1
Fried Capybara: 1

(I considered "Ramen" and "Ramen noodles" as synonyms, and "Noodles" as a more general class, which by the rules counts as a different thing.)

4. Name a suit from the standard deck of Poker or Bridge playing cards.
Hearts: 3
Spades: 1
Diamonds: 1

5. Name something you can buy in a pet store other than any animal.
Pet Food: 4
Leash: 1

Scoring: You can score up to 1 point for each question, but will score a fractional amount of points less than 1 when you deviate from the top answer. The exact score per question is (your answer's frequency) / (top answer's frequency). The scores for all questions are then added together, the result is your final score. (If scores were multiplied instead, the rankings would have been the same.)

ccexplore wins the first day with the full 5 points!

Runner-up scores are 4 + 1/3 points (shared by 3 people), and 1 + 1/2 points.

If you guys consider "noodles" as a synonym for "ramen", then Akseli shares the first place with ccx with 5 points.

-- Simon

[Clam]

Quality game, needs m0ar contestants for maximum awesomeness

If an admin is available, we could counter the game's tendency to disappear off the homepage by adding it to the news reel (the one above the boards list that hasn't been updated since forever).

[Quizmaster]

The second challenge is also closed now, see the next post for results.

The quizmaster will stay with his parents over the weekend, and deliberately does not take his notebook with him. The challenge will therefore be resolved at some time during the upcoming week.

I agree with addition of the thread to the news banner. Some more word of mouth in IRC might also do the trick, e.g. Steve hasn't seen this yet.

-- Simon

[Clam]

No spoilers as to who or how many entered this time! It was fine before, but such information could be useful in this round (Q6 in particular).

[ccexplore]

Is it fair to assume that for #3, we are not considering any avatar additions/changes that may occur after the quiz question has been posted?  Otherwise I can imagine a situation where someone go and create a whole bunch of new users with different rodent avatars to influence the answer.

[geoo]

About rodents in avatars, what about the groundhog in Dullstar's avatar (you missed that one)?

No spoilers as to who or how many entered this time! It was fine before, but such information could be useful in this round (Q6 in particular).

Well, you're allowed to change your guess at any point in time, so it's not that big of an issue I think. And if you e.g. actively persuade someone to join, you'll have that information anyway (which others then might not). And knowing it might be interesting to make a more educated guess.

[Quizmaster]

1. Easy one: Name a geometric shape that doesn't have any straight lines.
Circle: 7 (everyone agreed on this one)

2. You are a very angry computer user, because your system has just crashed and you've lost all your work. What part of the computer do you kick/punch?
Case/tower: 4
Keyboard: 2
Screen: 1

3. Name a kind of rodent that nobody here uses for his avatar (i.e., not hamster, capybara, lemming, porcupine).
Rat: 2
Squirrel: 2
Mouse: 2
Beaver: 1

This was surprisingly evenly-scattered; 6 people get 1 point, the Beaver is worth 1/2 point. It wouldn't have been a problem for a guess if someone had changed his avatar to the guess later. Groundhog is used by Dullstar, which I forgot in the list, yeah.

4. Which Lemmings 1 skill is most notorious for pixel precision?
Bomber/Exploder: 4
Builder: 3

5. Which computer/game system had the most well-known version/port of Lemmings 1 during the 1990's?
PC/DOS: 4
Amiga: 3

ccexplore was the only one to hit both top answers on the previous two questions, everyone else got exactly one top answer and one worth 3/4 points.

6. Choose a number from this range: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Try to choose a number which nobody else chooses. If several numbers are picked equally rarely, the lowest of them wins. (Worth 1 point for winner(s), 0 for others.)
Number 0 chosen: 5 (Akseli, Clam, Ramon, ccexplore, geoo)
Number 8 chosen: 1 (Gronkling; worth 1 point)
Number 9 chosen: 1 (möbius)

The number 8 wins, for being the smallest number chosen at least once with the least people choosing it.

ccexplore was the only one to change his guess, from 4 (which would have won on the spot) to 0, with the following note:

I expect I will change my mind about #6's answer multiple times (and potentially #7 too).  Right now I'm changing my answer to 0 hoping that everyone else will find it too risky to pick the lowest number.

I think it will be most fun for that question to reveal (at the closing of the quiz) exactly who answered what, including all answer changes.

Well, almost everyone was bold enough to pick 0. :-D The other two people -- I wanted to message them at first explaining the exact rules of the question again, but one has won the point after all. This question weighs rather much, because everyone else gets a straight 0 instead of fractional points.

7. There are three treasure chests: A holds 1.5 points, B holds 1.2 points, C holds 1 point. Pick one to plunder. You have to share the loot with everyone who chooses the same chest.
Chest A: 2 (Clam, Ramon; 3/4 points for each)
Chest B: 3 (Gronkling, ccexplore, möbius; 2/5 points for each)
Chest C: 2 (Akseli, geoo; 1/2 point for each)

This was also fairly well-distributed, the intakes differ only by 0.35 points.

Total scores

Gronkling wins 1st place with 6 + 3/20 points! Winning the number game with the number 8 was crucial, but you also gave no too unpopular answers in the first 5 questions.

Clam Spammer wins 2nd place with 5 + 1/2 points. Same points in first 5 questions as Gronkling.

möbius wins 3rd place with 5 + 3/20 points. Also same points in first 5 questions, but a little less points from the treasure chest.

The scores were bunched together quite nicely, the lowest score was 4 + 1/2. Giving popular answers to the first 5 questions proved rather important in the end.

Next challenge will be up later tonight or tomorrow!

-- Simon

[mobius]

AAAARG! I was even contemplating between 9 and 7! And then I thought I was over thinking it and maybe I should just go with a low number. 1 2,3 or even 4 I was thinking that’s what everybody else would pick, so I went high instead. Guess it turns out I would’ve won! I'm surprised everybody picked 0...

[Quizmaster]

Third challenge is closed, see next post for results.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Hmm, the 5-2 question distribution again.  Shouldn't we try a different distribution?  (Hey, maybe that can be a question on the next quiz )

[Quizmaster]

Results of the third challenge:

1. Easy start: Name an object/tool that can cut a sheet of paper.
Scissors: 9

Tempted to say chainsaw, but I'm gonna go with Scissors here

2. Name a company that sells computer operating systems.
Microsoft: 9

Full points for everyone so far.

3. Which PC game of the Lemmings series is least often played by members of this forum?
Paintball: 4
Lemmings 3D: 2
Lomax: 2
Revolution: 1

I believe Lomax is actually the correct choice, but this game is a little hard to think of; I'd probably have guessed Paintball myself.

4. Name a well-known country in Asia.
China: 8
Japan: 1

5. Name a number that many people consider lucky or unlucky.
Number 13: 8
Number 7: 1

6. Pick a girl:
A) the tall blonde woman in high-heels,
B) the short medium-blonde cutie with freckles,
C) the hunchbacked grey-haired witch with butt-ugly teeth.
If you pick the second-to-most popular girl, you get 1 point. If you pick the wallflower, you get 1/2 point. The most popular girl is worth 0. (She will just go out with someone else.) Ties will be broken in the manner A > B > C > A, where X > Y means that X gets half an extra pick should X and Y tie in picks. Should all 3 girls tie, then everybody gets 0.

Tall girl: 3 (möbius, Rubix, Clam; worth 1 point)
Short girl: 4 (Insane Steve, LemSteven, Ramon, Akseli; worth 0 points)
Witch: 2 (geoo, ccexplore; worth 1/2 point)

This matches my expected result. Next time, we will put three witches up for choice, so it gets more fair!

7. There are 5 kinds of vegetables: Tomato, Cucumber, Broccoli, Leek, and Eggplant. Choose one to eat, and a different one to deep-freeze. Scoring depends on what you eat: If nobody wants to freeze what you eat, you get 1 point. If you eat the most-frozen thing, 0 points. Scoring for the remaining vegetables is accordingly linearly arranged between 0 and 1, based on the number of freezings.

First, the freezing statistics:
Tomato: frozen 5 times (Insane Steve, geoo, LemSteven, Clam, Ramon)
Cucumber: frozen 1 time (möbius)
Broccoli: frozen 2 times (RubiX, ccexplore)
Leek: still fresh
Eggplant: frozen 1 time (Akseli)

Then, the choice of lunch:
Tomato: eaten 3 times (möbius, RubiX, ccexplore; worth 0 points)
Cucumber: eaten 2 times (geoo, LemSteven; worth 4/5 points)
Broccoli: eschewed
Leek: eaten 4 times (Insane Steve, Clam, Ramon, Akseli; worth 1 point)
Eggplant: eschewed

<SimonN> I figured that most people hate eggplant, but some people love it
<SimonN> Also Leek is something that nobody cares about really
<geoo> Yeah, I actually do. There's some I sorta like. There's also some that you can't really freeze because they suck really hard once you unfreeze them
<geoo> I deep-fry the Quizmaster

Results

Clam Spammer wins first place with 7 points, the highest possible score!

möbius gets second place with 6 points. geoo and LemSteven share third place with 5 + 4/5 each. Getting a good score meant answering the first 5 questions very consistenly, and ripping a fair benefit from the mind games.

Next challenge should be up around tomorrow, and it's a different format than 5 family questions + 2 mind games, guaranteed. ;-)

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Fourth challenge is over, see next post for results.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Day 4 is over! Here are the results.

1. We have two huts, one painted red, the other green. Choose one to enter. If there are more contestants in the other shelter than in yours, you get 1 point, otherwise nothing.

Red hut: 6 people (Simon, LemSteven, Ramon, Clam, ccexplore, Akseli; worth 0 points)
Green hut: 3 people (geoo, Rubix, Gronkling; worth 1 point)

The red hut had such a strong and unnerving color, everybody decided nobody else would go there!

2. We have a magical box. The first 100 hands that reach in will pull out a piece of candy. Afterwards, reaching in will just get your fingers hit by a mousetrap. Each piece of candy is worth 0.1 point, each mousetrap hit is worth -0.3 points, although you can't go negative within this question. Contestants are ordered in a circle at random, then take turns reaching in the box once before the next person gets a turn. The circle of players shrinks whenever someone has reached in as often as he wanted to. So -- how many times do you want to reach into the magical box? (Information: We had 5, then 7, then 9 contestants in the previous challenges. Simon will participate in the current one.)

We had 9 players reaching into the box a total of 92 times, so every reach was worth 0.1 points:

16 reaches: Gronkling
11 reaches: Rubix, Akseli
10 reaches: LemSteven, Ramon, ccexplore
 9 reaches: geoo
 8 reaches: Simon
 7 reaches: Clam

The greedy people still got their truckload of candy, whereas mousetrap hits might have been much more educational.

3. We also have a magical lamp. The genie allows you to wish for points! You may wish for something between 0.0 and 2.0 inclusive, and your wish must be a decimal fraction with at most one digit after the decimal point. The two greediest contestants get nothing, everyone else gets their wish granted. If >= 3 people tie for being most greedy, or >= 2 people tie for being second-to-most greedy with one single greediest contestant, then these tying people get nothing, and everyone who is less greedy than them gets their wish granted.

The cut-off was between 1.2 and 1.3 points. Everybody below the cut-off got their points.

Wish for 1.7: Rubix (worth 0 points)
Wish for 1.3: LemSteven (worth 0 points)
Wish for 1.2: Simon, Ramon (worth 1.2 points)
Wish for 1.0: geoo, Clam (worth 1 point)
Wish for 0.9: ccexplore, Gronkling, Akseli (worth 0.9 points)

4. We have opinions about others. Who do you think will make the greediest wish in the previous question? You cannot guess yourself. This question is worth 1 point, with 0.1 being deducted for every contestant who wishes for more points than whoever you name; but you cannot score less than 0 here. If the named user doesn't participate in this challenge, you get 1/2 point of compensation as long as he is in this list: Akseli, ccexplore, Clam Spammer, geoo, Insane Steve, LemSteven, möbius, Ramon, Rubix, Simon. (These participated in the previous challenge or are sure to be in here.)

The greediest was Rubix, but nobody guessed him.

Guess Ramon: Clam, ccexplore (worth 0.8 points)
Guess geoo: LemSteven (worth 0.6 points)
Guess Clam: Ramon, Akseli (worth 0.6 points)
Guess ccexplore: Rubix (worth 0.4 points)
Guess möbius: Simon, geoo (möbius was a listed non-participant; worth 0.5 points)
Guess Insane Steve: Gronkling (IS was a listed non-participant; worth 0.5 points)

ccexplore was sneaky enough to not be too greedy with the genie, but he was very greedy with Britney Spears, as follows:

5. We have Britney Spears. Hit me baby one more time: Choose a number among 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. From the numbers picked at least once, the number which is picked least often wins; if two numbers are picked equally often, the lowest of them is best. How low do you dare to guess? Score is 1 for the winner(s), and 0.3 points for everybody who is one off the winning number in either direction. If you're off by two or more, 0 points.

Choose 0: ccexplore (worth 1 point)
Choose 2: Ramon, geoo, Gronkling
Choose 3: Simon
Choose 4: LemSteven, Clam
Choose 5: Rubix
Choose 6: Akseli

Ah, so people have learned that you cannot throw yourself like walruses onto the lowest number.

We had no amendments this time, everybody submitted just one message.

6. We have a democracy. The questions in this quiz have fallen in two categories so far: Family Feud questions ("Name a...", where you must match the top answer) and mindgames (everything else). How should the next challenge be composed: A) only Family Feud, B) much Family Feud, C) fifty-fifty, D) many mindgames, E) only mindgames? I will average all the votes, and the next challenge will be actually composed like that. Scoring for the votes: Most popular option = 0 points, 2nd popular = 1 point for each voter, 3rd = 0.6 points for each voter, 4th = 0.4 points for each voter, least popular = 0 points. Tied places will be merged and are woth the arithmetic mean. So, vote for what you actually want, but skew your vote just a little if you think you'd match the top answer.

Only Family Feud: 2 (Simon, Rubix; worth 0.6 points)
Much Family Feud: 4 (LemSteven, geoo, Clam, Akseli; worth 0 points)
Fifty-fifty: 3 (Ramon, ccexplore, Gronkling, worth 1 point)

This averages to about 28 % mindgames and 72 % Family Feud in the upcoming challenge. Because of possible 0 points for lots of users, this question caused some upsets in the scores again.

Totals

First place goes to Gronkling with 5.0 points!
Second place goes to ccexplore with 4.7 points.
Third place goes to Ramon with 3.8 points.

First, I thought that the huts were too harshly scored with 1 point against 0 for such a rather random question. However, from the top 3 players, only Gronkling went into the green hut for 1 point. ccx got his compensation in question 5 with a guess of 0, and Ramon had the most solid intakes from candy, the genie, and the democracy poll.

I believe geoo has his own challenge almost ready to be posted, so he will be quizmaster shortly!

<SimonN> geoo: I have scored the current challenge. If you want to be quizmaster, you can get the account
<geoo> Ok, what's the format of the new one, according to the scoring?
<SimonN> This averages to about 28 % mindgames and 72 % Family Feud in the upcoming challenge.
<geoo> screw that, most frequent answer counts
<SimonN> that would be 25 % mindgames, 75 % FF
<geoo> you never gave specific percentages; I take the most frequent answer and interpret it my way

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Screw silly percentage mangling, the most popular answer was "much family feud", and that's what you're going to get! 6 family feud questions, more than ever before!

Family Feud:

1. Name a planet in the solar system.
2. Name a handsome/pretty forum member (you may pick yourself).
3. Imagine you are a lazy husband and your wife wants you to work out.
You are very slouchy and not exactly enthusiastic about moving your body. So which
sports do you pick to impress your wife so she shuts up?
4. Which question from the previous round was the dumbest?
5. You're chief of a large corporation, and you just yawned and farted into your comfy armchair.
For how many days does the armchair retain the smell?
6. Name one member who you think guessed himself in question 2. (Remember: most popular answer, not correct answer, gets most points!)

Mixed questions:

7. How many people picked themselves in question 2? 1 point if you're correct,
0.5 if you're one off, 0 otherwise.

8. You're at a romantic beach with hot girls and 10 coco palms in a row, the
palm trees planted in increasing size,
i.e., palm tree 9 is the highest one, palm tree 0 is the lowest one.
Each palm tree has exactly one coconut hanging from it.
You pick one palm tree to climb. If someone else chooses the same palm tree,
you brawl for the coconut and everyone falls down that tree.
If you're alone on your tree, you must choose a palm tree to throw your coconut at,
but you can only throw your coconut at a tree of lower height, i.e., one with lower number.
(So if you're on tree 0, you cannot throw your coconut). You all throw simultaneously,
and if your tree is hit by a coconut, you fall down the tree.
The players that haven't fallen off their tree at that point get points.
The lower the palm tree, the closer your view at the hot girls at the beach.
Therefore the remaining player in lowest position gets 1.0 points, the one in
second lowest position 0.8 points, and so on.
Which tree do you pick to climb, and which tree (which must have lower number) do
you throw you coconut at if you get the chance?

9. There are four safes, each containing points. You want to steal the content,
but there is one issue. Each safe has an elaborate security mechanism, which can only be broken by kicking
against it really hard for a certain number of times. However you can only kick once,
as afterwards your feet hurt too much
to dare another kick. So the players picking the same safe to crack have to work together.
Each player can kick the safe, but they can also be smart and choose not to kick,
just waiting at the safe watching the others do it.
If the safe opens, you share the loot, but those whose feet don't hurt are quicker to prey the safe,
so they get twice as much as the other ones.
If the safe doesn't open because too few people kicked against it, you get nothing.
Below is the list of safes, each with the number of kicks they need to open
and the points inside.

#1: 1 kicks, 1.0 points
#2: 2 kicks, 2.4 points
#3: 3 kicks, 4.2 points
#4: 4 kicks, 6.0 points

Which safe do you pick, and do you choose to kick against it or just wait beside it and watch the others do it?

10. You're a hungry bum, and go to the bum shelter's soup kitchen everyday.
Today it is open the entire day from midnight 0:00 to midnight 24:00. There is
only one spoon, and you bums are hostile (there's food at stake after all!), so if there's
some other bum having food already, you throw him out and have food youself.
But if someone else comes, he'll throw you out and have food. If two bums arrive at the same time,
a brawl ensures, and no-one will remain at the bum shelter, until someone else arrives later.
What time of the day do you plan to arrive at the bum shelter for food (be precise to the minute)?
Longest time being there and enjoying savory food before being thrown out gets 1.0 points, second longest 0.8, third 0.6, and so on.
Ties get the mean of points of the ranks of the players in the tie.

[ccexplore]

Let me say that I totally misread the red/green hut question, and thought the one that was most chosen wins.

[chaos_defrost]

Oops, forgot to submit last round hahaha

Also I'm totally up for writing a quiz at some point sometime

[Clam]

To make clear something that has been discussed on IRC, but hasn't got much mention here:

(Information: We had 5, then 7, then 9 contestants in the previous challenges. Simon will participate in the current one.)

What we decided (I think; it's possibly still open to debate) is this: The person setting the quiz can participate, but has to submit his answers to the Quizmaster account as soon as the round starts, and can't change them after that.

[ccexplore]

Oops, forgot to submit last round hahaha

Assuming you have all your answers before the round closed (and just forgot to submit), I'd be curious to know what your answers are, to see how the outcome might have changed.

[Gronkling]

I would mostly likey have lost if Insane Steve entered  *u*

[Simon]

I can be Quizmaster in Chrome and geoo in Firefox! Quiz is open. Wait, I have to submit answers first... Crap, now the quizmaster has sent his answers to geoo.

-- Simon

[chaos_defrost]

I would mostly likey have lost if Insane Steve entered  *u*

I would've put 1.1 for the "pick a number from 0-2" problem, so you'd have actually gotten one tenth more point there

EDIT: But gotten smacked pretty badly on the mousetrap question so yea actually you would have haha

[Quizmaster]

Day 5 is over! These are the results:

Family Feud:

Each line contains an answer, and in brackets the players who guessed it.


1. Name a planet in the solar system.

Earth (Insane Steve, ccexplore, Clam Spammer, Ramon, Lem Steven, Simon, Gronkling, geoo) - 1 point
Alpha Ceti 6 (möbius [changed from Mars]) - 1/8 points
Uranus (Rubix) - 1/8 points


2. Name a handsome/pretty forum member (you may pick yourself).

Simon (Ramon, Lem Steven) - 1 point, everyone else 1/2 points
Prob Lem (Simon)
geoo (ccexplore)
ccexplore (geoo)
Gronkling (Gronkling [changed from ccexplore])
möbius (möbius [changed from geoo])
Clam Spammer (Clam Spammer)
Insane Steve (Insane Steve)
RubiX (RubiX)

( i dont even know of any girls on the forum?) do they exist!

Simon is considered the most handsome, and the only one to pick a girl, might he have a chance here (probably not)?
ccexplore picks geoo and geoo picks ccexplore, another couple? (And in fact, until people changed the mind later, considered very handsome as well.)


3. Imagine you are a lazy husband and your wife wants you to work out.
You are very slouchy and not exactly enthusiastic about moving your body. So which
sports do you pick to impress your wife so she shuts up?

Golf (ccexplore, Lem Steven) - 1 point, everyone else 1/2 points
Darts (Gronkling)
Competitive eating, just out of pure spite (Insane Steve)
Archery (Clam Spammer)
Yoga (Ramon)
Chess (Simon)
Billiards (geoo)
Pelota (möbius [changed from Soccer])
Soccer (RubiX)

Darts and Golf are two really appropriate answers, but competitive eating is my favourite if you want to flip off your wife!


4. Which question from the previous round was the dumbest?

Q1 [Hut question] (Insane Steve, Clam Spammer, Ramon, Simon, geoo, RubiX) - 1 point
Q4 [Who's the greediest] (Lem Steven, Gronkling) - 1/3 points
Q6 [Format for next round] (ccexplore, möbius [changed from 1]) - 1/3 points


5. You're chief of a large corporation, and you just yawned and farted into your comfy armchair.
For how many days does the armchair retain the smell?

0 days (möbius) - 1/7 points
1 day (ccexplore, Clam Spammer, Ramon, Lem Steven, Gronkling, geoo, RubiX) - 1 point
3 days (Simon) - 1/7 points
FOREVER (Insane Steve) - 1/7 points


6. Name one member who you think guessed himself in question 2. (Remember: most popular answer, not correct answer, gets most points!)

geoo (ccexplore, Simon, geoo, möbius) - 1 point
Clam Spammer (Ramon, Gronkling, RubiX) - 3/4 points
Rubix (Insane Steve) - 1/4 points
ccexplore (Clam Spammer) - 1/4 points
Simon (Lem Steven) - 1/4 points

comment: seems like a logical strategy regarding 2, 6, and 7 for the quizmaster to answer himself for #2 (assuming participation), so going with that and hope it works out.

Turns out geoo didn't pick himself, was the most popular answer anyway though.


Mixed questions:

7. How many people picked themselves in question 2? 1 point if you're correct,
0.5 if you're one off, 0 otherwise.

Correct Answer: 5
Guesses:
3 (Insane Steve, Clam Spammer, Lem Steven, RubiX)
2 (ccexplore)
1 (Ramon, Simon, geoo, Gronkling [changed from 0], möbius [changed from 0])
So no-one gets any points here

You scoundrel, putting the two questions so far from each other. Only geoo will think of that [Guessing himself in Q2 to affect the standings on Q7].

Turns out this was a pretty popular thing to do, two people doing it after reconsidering their guess.

but not because I agree or because I think it's the highest scoring answer but because I don't see this being a very high consensus question and I want to throw off the numbers for question 7 because strategery that's why

(I’ll really laugh if I get this one right)

8. You're at a romantic beach with hot girls and 10 coco palms in a row, the palm trees planted in increasing size, i.e., palm tree 9 is the highest one, palm tree 0 is the lowest one. Each palm tree has exactly one coconut hanging from it. You pick one palm tree to climb. If someone else chooses the same palm tree,you brawl for the coconut and everyone falls down that tree. If you're alone on your tree, you must choose a palm tree to throw your coconut at, but you can only throw your coconut at a tree of lower height, i.e., one with lower number. (So if you're on tree 0, you cannot throw your coconut). You all throw simultaneously, and if your tree is hit by a coconut, you fall down the tree. The players that haven't fallen off their tree at that point get points. The lower the palm tree, the closer your view at the hot girls at the beach. Therefore the remaining player in lowest position gets 1.0 points, the one in second lowest position 0.8 points, and so on. Which tree do you pick to climb, and which tree (which must have lower number) do you throw you coconut at if you get the chance?

Here's how the palm trees are occupied, in brackets is the palm tree the respective player aimed at with his coconut.
0
1
2 Ramon (0)
3
4 ccexplore (3), Clam Spammer (3)
5 Gronkling (3), RubiX (3)
6 Lem Steven (5), geoo (2)
7 Insane Steve (2), Simon (1)
8 möbius (2) [changed from palm tree 2, throw at (1)]
9
Palm trees 4 to 7 are occupied by 2 players each, so only Ramon on palm tree 2 and möbius on palm tree 8 remain.
möbius however aimed at tree 2 with his coconut, so Ramon falls down and möbius is the only one remaining on a tree, not exactly having the most excellent view on the girls, nevertheless gaining 1 point.
(möbius changed his guesses once, including for this game, and here it was a good choice, as otherwise no-one would have won)


9. There are four safes, each containing points. You want to steal the content, but there is one issue. Each safe has an elaborate security mechanism, which can only be broken by kicking against it really hard for a certain number of times. However you can only kick once, as afterwards your feet hurt too much to dare another kick. So the players picking the same safe to crack have to work together. Each player can kick the safe, but they can also be smart and choose not to kick, just waiting at the safe watching the others do it. If the safe opens, you share the loot, but those whose feet don't hurt are quicker to prey the safe, so they get twice as much as the other ones. If the safe doesn't open because too few people kicked against it, you get nothing. Which safe do you pick, and do you choose to kick against it or just wait beside it and watch the others do it?

#1: 1 kicks, 1.0 points - kicking: Insane Steve, Gronkling (0.25 points), waiting: ccexplore (0.5 points)
#2: 2 kicks, 2.4 points - kicking: Lem Steven, Simon, geoo (0.48 points), waiting: Clam Spammer (0.96 points)
#3: 3 kicks, 4.2 points - kicking: Ramon, waiting: RubiX
#4: 4 kicks, 6.0 points - kicking: möbius (changed from waiting)

Only few players were reckless enough to try to crack open the third and fourth save, but don't get rewarded as it doesn't budge. The cowards win, but don't get too much overall.


10. You're a hungry bum, and go to the bum shelter's soup kitchen everyday. Today it is open the entire day from midnight 0:00 to midnight 24:00. There is only one spoon, and you bums are hostile (there's food at stake after all!), so if there's some other bum having food already, you throw him out and have food youself. But if someone else comes, he'll throw you out and have food. If two bums arrive at the same time, a brawl ensures, and no-one will remain at the bum shelter, until someone else arrives later. What time of the day do you plan to arrive at the bum shelter for food (be precise to the minute)? Longest time being there and enjoying savory food before being thrown out gets 1.0 points, second longest 0.8, third 0.6, and so on. Ties get the mean of points of the ranks of the players in the tie.

There's a huge rush on the soup kitchen in the early morning, with 4 players arriving within one hour. Simon is the last one of them, and can enjoy soup for over 8 hours, until he is kicked out by geoo. Here's the detailled list of who occupied the bum shelter at what time, with arrival and kick-out times, the duration of the stay, and who's in the shelter during that period:
01:33-04:10 2:37 Clam Spammer (0.4 points)
04:10-04:17 0:07 RubiX
04:17-04:40 0:23 Gronkling
04:40-05:03 0:23 Ramon
05:03-13:12 8:09 Simon (1.0 points)
13:12-14:14 1:02 geoo (0.2 points)
14:14-15:01 0:47 möbius
15:01-18:02 3:01 Lem Steven (0.6 points)
18:02-19:02 1:00 Insane Steve
19:02-24:00 4:58 ccexplore (0.8 points)


Final results, barring computation mistakes:

 1. ccexplore: 5.8 + 1/3 = 6.13
 2. geoo: 5.68
 3. Lem Steven: 5.33 + 1/3 = 5.66
 4. Simon: 5.48 + 1/7 = 5.62
 5. Clam Spammer: 5.61
 6. Ramon: 5.5
 7. Gronkling: 4.0 + 1/3 = 4.33
 8. RubiX: 3.875
 9. Insane Steve: 3.5 + 1/7 = 3.64
10. möbius: 3.125 + 1/7 + 1/3 = 3.60

[Simon]

I'm genuinely flattered to be considered most handsome. :-)

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Round 6 is over, results are four posts down.

[Ramon]

I'm genuinely flattered to be considered most handsome. :-)

-- Simon

No offense but I just chose the first member that came to my mind, because I don't really know anybody here

(sorry if that hurt your feelings)

[ccexplore]

In the case of Simon and geoo, you can judge for yourself (Simon's on the left) from a photo they posted on this thread in the forums:



[To be clear, in my quiz answers I was purely betting on geoo-as-Quizmaster answering himself for the handsome question (#2).  What my answer would be if I were to answer honestly, shall remain a mystery. ]

[LemSteven]

I took that picture into account when I made my guess.  I was betting that a lot of people would vote for Simon and Geoo because their pictures have been posted on the forums.

Also, for question 3, I nearly said bowling.  If I had, there would have been ten unique answers!  I guess it's a good thing I stuck with golf. 

[Quizmaster]

Round 6 results! 10 people took part in Clamily Feud this time.

Family Feud:

1. Let's start out tame... with Tame! Which is the tamest of the Tame levels?

Tame 1 / Down And Out Lemmings: 10, 1 point (everyone)


2. What colour is a Lemming's hair, if it isn't green?

Blue: 7, 1 point (Insane Steve, ccexplore, Gronkling, Rubix, LemSteven, Akseli, geoo) (alt-colour for permanent skills in Lemmings 2)
Brown: 1, 1/7 point (Clam) (no one else thought of real-life lemmings? )
Red: 1, 1/7 point (Simon)
Lime: 1, 1/7 point (Ramon) (technically true, but too "green" for most to dare to guess)


3. Name a non-Lemmings game or series made by the developers of Lemmings.

Grand Theft Auto: 7, 1 point (Clam, Insane Steve, Simon, ccexplore, Ramon, Akseli, geoo)
Menace: 2, 2/7 point (Gronkling, Rubix)
Shadow of the Beast: 1, 1/7 point (LemSteven)


4. You are a lemming at the top of a high, vertical cliff. Which Lemmings 2 skill do you use to get to the bottom safely? To make this exciting, you may not use floater, slider or parachuter.

Hang glider: 2, 1 point (Clam, geoo)
Magno boots: 2, 1 point (Ramon, Akseli)
Ballooner: 1, 1/2 point (Simon)
Superlem: 1, 1/2 point (ccexplore)
Digger: 1, 1/2 point (Gronkling)
Diver: 1, 1/2 point (Rubix)
Jet Pack: 1, 1/2 point (LemSteven)
Screaming at the TV as loudly as I can: 1, 1/2 point (Insane Steve)

A good range of methods here, with varying levels of practicality (immediately go back to fanning?) and survivability.



Non-Family Feud

5. Choose a level from the Fun rating. You team up and play the level co-operatively (via the Lix network, or course) with all other players who choose the same level as you. These levels are insultingly easy, so you reach the minimum save requirement, no more, and nuke the remainder to enjoy the confetti shower. However, after the game, you fight over who saved how many lemmings, and in the end you each take an equal share. Your score is 1/80 times the number of lemmings you claim for yourself.

(Ordered by points value, then level number)
21, 28, 29 (all 48 lemmings): picked once each, 0.6 points (in order: Akseli, Insane Steve, LemSteven)
22 (64 lemmings): picked 2 times, 0.4 points (Gronkling, Rubix)
14 (60 lemmings): picked 2 times, 0.375 points (Clam, Simon)
8 (76 lemmings): picked 3 times = 0.317 points (ccexplore, Ramon, geoo)

Fun 9's 72 lemmings remain unclaimed


6. We all fall down! Choose one of the four versions of everyone's favourite Lemmings level:
- Fun (20 lemmings)
- Tricky (40 lemmings)
- Taxing (60 lemmings)
- Mayhem (80 lemmings)
You play the level co-operatively with all the other players who choose the same as you. This level isn't hard, but it requires patience and care. Therefore, if your team contains half or more of the participants in this round, you fall over each other and fail the level horribly, saving no lemmings at all. Otherwise, you save all lemmings and pass the level. Your score is 1/80 times the number of lemmings saved by your team (ie. 1/4 point for Fun, 1/2 for Tricky, 3/4 for Taxing, 1 for Mayhem, zero if you failed).

Mayhem: picked 3 times, 1 point (Ramon, Rubix, geoo)
Taxing: picked 4 times, 0.75 points (Clam, Insane Steve, Simon, Gronkling)
Tricky: picked 3 times, 0.5 points (ccexplore, LemSteven, Akseli)

No level was picked by 5 or more of the 10 players, so everyone gets their points.


7. Onward to Mayhem now. Choose any level from the Mayhem rating. (You may pick We All Fall Down again, again. ) Once again, you play co-operatively with all other players who choose the same level as you. However, because these levels are harsh and unforgiving, attempting to cooperate is sure to end in failure. If no one else chooses the same level as you, you pass the level, and save exactly the required number of lemmings. Otherwise, you save none. Your score is 1/80 times the number of lemmings you save.

11 (80 lemmings): picked once, 1 point (Ramon)
18 (72 lemmings): picked once, 0.9 points (Clam)
27 (50 lemmings): picked once, 0.625 points (LemSteven)
7 (45 lemmings): picked 2 times, no points (Insane Steve, Rubix)
8 (72 lemmings): picked 3 times, no points (ccexplore, Akseli, geoo)
23 (64 lemmings): picked 2 times, no points (Simon, Gronkling)

Rather unfortunate for the two who unselfishly went for only 45 lems and still had competition


8. Lemmings for Presidents! The inhabitants of Lemerica - that's you guys! - are about to vote for your next President. You may vote for the Red lemming or the Blue lemming.



(The Lemerican election happens to fall close to Christmas.)

Lemerica is comprised of three states: the Red state where everyone votes Red, the Blue state where everyone votes Blue, and the Swing state where some vote Red and some Blue. The winner is the candidate who wins the most states, so whoever wins the Swing state, wins the election. (Note: Red and Blue win their home states even if no one votes there.) In case of a tie in the Swing state, the most total votes wins (which means the entrenched state with the most voters).

Choose a state to vote in, and, if you choose the Swing state, choose a candidate to vote for. Voting in the Red state implies a vote for Red, and voting in the Blue state implies a vote for Blue. You score 1 point if your candidate wins, zero if he loses, and half a point in the unlikely case of a tie both in the Swing state and the country as a whole. If you vote in the Swing state, you have more influence over the result, but you are driven insane by the endless campaigning, so your points are halved.

Note: I received two entries that specified a candidate but not a state. I considered these as votes in the Swing state, since this is the only state where you can vote explicitly for a candidate. As it turns out, it doesn't matter as far as who won this round, or even the top half of the rankings.

The votes have been counted, and your new President is the Blue Lemming!
Voted in Swing state for Red: 0
Voted in Swing state for Blue: 3, 1/2 point (Gronkling, Rubix, LemSteven)
Voted in Blue state: 5, 1 point (Clam, Insane Steve, ccexplore, Akseli, geoo)
Voted in Red state: 2, 0 points (Simon, Ramon)


Results for Round 6: (scores to 2dp)
1. geoo, 6.32
2. Clam, 6.17
3. Akseli, 6.10
4. Insane Steve, 5.85
5. Ramon, 5.46
6. ccexplore, 5.32
7. LemSteven, 4.87
8. Rubix, 4.69
9. Gronkling, 4.44
10. Simon, 3.77

A very close round, to be expected given the small fraction of a point for each lemming saved in questions 5 to 7.

[chaos_defrost]

Blue is the pretty obvious choice imo in question 8 if you pay any attention to American politics -- one of our major parties is represented by the color blue, the other by the color red. Pretty much everyone in the world hates the "red" party for very good reasons.

Fortunately the "blue" party did very well in the real elections this year 

On the other hand, how does someone else go for 7 in the Mayhem question 

Anyways, I think I'm slated as the Quizmaster next round, and have most of my questions written, but they are on the computer at home and I'm on the netbook now. I'll post them when I get home, probably this night sometime.

EDIT: I also really need to starting being more serious with some of my answers, like on 3 I think I'd have put Superlem as a serious answer; I do that and I get 1st in the round. Ah well, pretty sure I've done my answer far more than that anyways, no regrets whatsoever.

[ccexplore]

Blue is the pretty obvious choice imo in question 8 if you pay any attention to American politics -- one of our major parties is represented by the color blue, the other by the color red. Pretty much everyone in the world hates the "red" party for very good reasons.

That's an interesting theory, now I'm curious how many people actually thought like that when they answered that question, especially with I think more than half the people here not actually from the US.

[Simon]

Blue is the pretty obvious choice imo in question 8 if you pay any attention to American politics -- one of our major parties is represented by the color blue, the other by the color red. Pretty much everyone in the world hates the "red" party for very good reasons.

That was the exact reasoning for picking red. I was waiting to snatch the full point away from the probably numerous blue state people, and hoping someone else would do the same for 1/2 point in the swing state.

-- Simon

[LemSteven]

That's an interesting theory, now I'm curious how many people actually thought like that when they answered that question, especially with I think more than half the people here not actually from the US.

I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't take politics into consideration at all.  I just went by
the fact that lemmings wear blue shirts, and therefore people would naturally pick blue.

Politically speaking, I'm pretty much fed up with both parties, anyway.

[Quizmaster]

Here have another quiz.

NOTE: I (Steve) will be entering this quiz and have filled out my answers and will not change them.

Family Feud:

1) What skill in Lemmings 1 is it really annoying when a level has a ton of?

2) Overall, what difficulty rating of Oh No, More Lemmings has the most enjoyable levels?

3) What is the best sub-forum of the Lemmings Forums?

4) What is the opposite of hard?

5) Name a word that's plural is spelled exactly the same as its singular form.

6) In your mind, is Pluto still a planet?

7) What member of the board will get last place in this round? (Remember, most popular answer, not most correct.)

Mind Games:

8) Rock, paper, or scissors? Pick a throw to make. You gain 0.3 points for each person you beat, but lose 0.3 points for each person who beats you. You can't lose points here, though.

9) Select an integer between 1-100. You score 0.1 points * the positive difference between your number and the closest number to yours another player selected.

10a) You all have a ghost who, on occasion, taunts you with delicious ghost chips, which you presently can't grab. One day you encounter a wizard who offers to turn you all into ghosts so you can grab some ghost chips. Ghost chips are incredibly delicious, but you do have to share, though. Score 5.0 points divided by the number of players who turned themselves into ghosts.

There is a party later in the day, but ghosts aren't allowed to attend, so you have a bit of a complicated situation to internalize in your head. If you decide to party instead, you'll find chips there too, but they're soggy and not all that delicious, and you still have to share. Gain 2.0 points divided over all people who are not ghosts.

10b) (Only answer if you did not turn yourself into a ghost in part a) When you get to the party, you notice three girls in the corner of the room who catch your eye. YOu decide to go talk to them, but not before taking a few drinks first (for the purposes of this question, pretend you are of age if you are not). Decide how many drinks to take before approaching. The most drunk person will just make a fool of themselves and not get the girl, and any people equally drunk will just look weird and also not get the girls. Of those left, the person who took the most drinks will be the most outgoing and get the best girl (worth 1 point), the next will get the 2nd best (worth 0.6 points), and the next will get the third girl (worth 0.3 points).

11) But really, which member will get last place? Pick a member. Whoever picks last place gets 1 point, whoever picks next to last gets 0.9 points, then 0.8, etc. If you pick someone who has entered at least two earlier rounds who does not enter, you will get 0.5 points. This question will be scored last, and will be based on the scores before this question is scored. So it's possible for there to be a TIME PARADOX here.

Have fun!

*Note, the video question 10 is based off of is here and is recommended viewing for everyone

[Quizmaster]

And awaaaaaaaaaaaay we go! We have 11 entrants this time.

1) What skill in Lemmings 1 is it really annoying when a level has a ton of?

Builder (1 point): 10 - (Insane Steve, Simon, geoo, Rubix, Clam Spammer, Gronkling, möbius, Akseli, LemSteven, ccexplore)
Bomber (1/10 point): 1 - (Ramon)

Pretty good consensus here, but not the most auspicious start for Ramon 

2) Overall, what difficulty rating of Oh No, More Lemmings has the most enjoyable levels?

Havoc (1 point): 4 - (geoo, Rubix, Gronkling, Akseli)
Wicked (3/4 point): 3 - (Simon, LemSteven, Ramon)
Crazy (1/2 point): 2 - (Insane Steve, möbius)
Wild (1/4 point): 1 -(ccexplore)
Tame (1/4 point): 1 -(Clam Spammer)

Much bigger spread this time, but it seems that harder is better. Something perhaps to think about for question 4...

3) What is the best sub-forum of the Lemmings Forums?

Lemmings Discussion (1 point): 3 - (Simon, Akseli, LemSteven)
Level Designing (1 point): 3 - (Insane Steve, geoo, Gronkling)
Challenges (2/3 point): 2 - (möbius, Ramon)
Forum Games (2/3 point): 2 - (Clam Spammer, ccexplore)
Off Topic (1/3 point): 1 - (Rubix)

Another pretty spread out set of answers. I wonder how many people answered honestly and who sold out here?

4) What is the opposite of hard?

Easy (1 point): 10 - (Insane Steve, Simon, geoo, Clam Spammer, Gronkling, möbius, Akseli, LemSteven, ccexplore, Ramon)
Soft (1/10 point): 1 - (Rubix)

Not too surprising; this is a forum based on a video game where the word hard is used far more often for difficulty than durability. This may have been a more interesting question on the knitting/fiber arts forum my girlfriend posts on all the time.

5) Name a word that's plural is spelled exactly the same as its singular form.

Fish (1 point): 5 - (Insane Steve, Simon, Rubix, Akseli, LemSteven)
Sheep (4/5 point): 4 - (Clam Spammer, Gronkling, ccexplore, Ramon)
Deer (1/5 point): 1 - (möbius)
Scissors (1/5 point): 1 - (geoo)

Fish and sheep split the top pretty evenly. Unfortunate for geoo that no one read ahead to question 8 before reading this.

6) In your mind, is Pluto still a planet?

Yes (1 point): 7 - (Insane Steve, Rubix, möbius, Akseli, LemSteven, ccexplore, Ramon)
No (4/7 point): 4 - (geoo, Simon, Clam Spammer, Gronkling)

This board consensus is correct fwiw, and all of the jerk scientists are wrong. All of them.

7) What member of the board will get last place in this round? (Remember, most popular answer, not most correct.)

Simon (1 point): 5 - (Insane Steve, Simon, Gronkling, möbius, Akseli (with a :--D after it))
Rubix (2/5 point): 2 - (LemSteven, ccexplore)
möbius (1/5 point): 1 - (geoo)
LemSteven (1/5 point): 1 - (Rubix)
Insane Steve (1/5 point): 1 - (Clam Spammer)
Clam Spammer (1/5 point): 1 - (Ramon)

Most people seem to be going off of Simon's last place finish in the last quiz. He did pretty well in the Feud in this quiz, though, so we may all be wrong.

Mind Games:

8) Rock, paper, or scissors? Pick a throw to make. You gain 0.3 points for each person you beat, but lose 0.3 points for each person who beats you. You can't lose points here, though.

Rock (0 points): 1 - (Ramon)
Scissors (2.4 points): 1 - (möbius)
Paper (0 points): 9 - Everyone else

Well, that was... something. I guess everyone thought everyone else was going to throw rock, and thus möbius cleans up by thinking everyone else will think that everyone else will throw rock. Or something. Ramon very lucky that 0 is the worst you can do here.

9) Select an integer between 1-100. You score 0.1 points * the positive difference between your number and the closest number to yours another player selected.

geoo: 1 (0 points)
Ramon: 1 (0 points)
möbius: 12 (0.5 points)
Rubix: 17 (0.1 points)
Insane Steve: 18 (0.1 points)
Akseli: 36 (0.1 points)
LemSteven: 37 (0.1 points)
Simon: 55 (1.8 points)
Clam Spammer: 75 (1.6 points)
ccexplore: 91 (0.9 points)
Gronkling: 100 (0.9 points)

Simon and Clam Spammer the big winners here, picking nice middling numbers that no one else stepped on. Three people go on the extreme ends, with one doing a fair bit better than the others.

10a) You all have a ghost who, on occasion, taunts you with delicious ghost chips, which you presently can't grab. One day you encounter a wizard who offers to turn you all into ghosts so you can grab some ghost chips. Ghost chips are incredibly delicious, but you do have to share, though. Score 5.0 points divided by the number of players who turned themselves into ghosts.

There is a party later in the day, but ghosts aren't allowed to attend, so you have a bit of a complicated situation to internalize in your head. If you decide to party instead, you'll find chips there too, but they're soggy and not all that delicious, and you still have to share. Gain 2.0 points divided over all people who are not ghosts.

Ghosts: (5/9 points): 9 - (Insane Steve, Simon, geoo, Clam Spammer, Gronkling, möbius, Akseli, LemSteven, Ramon)
Partiers: (1 point): 2 - (Rubix, ccexplore)

Looks like quantity wins out over quality here. And it also looks like Rubix and ccexplore aren't going to have much competition for the girls at the party, either...

10b) (Only answer if you did not turn yourself into a ghost in part a) When you get to the party, you notice three girls in the corner of the room who catch your eye. YOu decide to go talk to them, but not before taking a few drinks first (for the purposes of this question, pretend you are of age if you are not). Decide how many drinks to take before approaching. The most drunk person will just make a fool of themselves and not get the girl, and any people equally drunk will just look weird and also not get the girls. Of those left, the person who took the most drinks will be the most outgoing and get the best girl (worth 1 point), the next will get the 2nd best (worth 0.6 points), and the next will get the third girl (worth 0.3 points).

2 drinks (0 points): 2 - (Rubix, ccexplore)

Oh dear, looks like everyone goes home alone tonight. What a shame. Plus, the ghosts will inevitably get more delicious ghost chips in the future. I think möbius put it best:

As a ghost I can haunt the people after the party and make their life miserable

Also, interestingly, one ghost (geoo) put how many drinks they'd have hypothetically if ghosts could drink, and he ALSO put 2. What is it with you people and two drinks?

11) But really, which member will get last place? Pick a member. Whoever picks last place gets 1 point, whoever picks next to last gets 0.9 points, then 0.8, etc. If you pick someone who has entered at least two earlier rounds who does not enter, you will get 0.5 points. This question will be scored last, and will be based on the scores before this question is scored. So it's possible for there to be a TIME PARADOX here.

Scores after round 10, to the nearest 100th of a point:

möbius: 1 + 1/2 + 2/3 + 1 + 1/5 + 1 + 1 + 2.4 + .5 + 5/9 = 8.82
Simon: 1 + 3/4 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4/7 + 1 + 0 + 1.8 + 5/9 = 8.68
Gronkling: 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 4/5 + 4/7 + 1 + 0 + .9 + 5/9 = 7.83
ccexplore: 1 + 1/4 + 2/3 + 1 + 4/5 + 1 + 2/5 + 0 + 1.6 + 1 = 7.72
Akseli: 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 1 + 0 + .1 + 5/9 = 7.66
Insane Steve: 1 + 1/2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 0 + .1 + 5/9 = 7.16
LemSteven: 1 + 3/4 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2/5 + 0 + .1 + 5/9 = 6.81
Clam Spammer: 1 + 1/4 + 2/3 + 1 + 4/5 + 4/7 + 1/5 + 0 + 1.6 + 5/9 = 6.64
Rubix: 1 + 1 + 1/3 + 1/10 + 1 + 1 + 1/5 + 0 + .1 + 1 = 5.73
geoo: 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1/5 + 4/7 + 1/5 + 0 + 0 + 5/9 = 5.53
Ramon: 1/10 + 3/4 + 2/3 + 1 + 4/5 + 1 + 1/5 + 0 + 0 + 5/9 = 5.07

And as for the results of the last question...

möbius: Rubix (0.8 points)
Simon: geoo (0.9 points)
Gronkling: Rubix (0.8 points)
ccexplore: Rubix (0.8 points)
Akseli: Rubix (0.8 points)
Insane Steve: Simon (0.1 points)
LemSteven: Rubix (0.8 points)
Clam Spammer: Gronkling (0.2 points)
Rubix: Gronkling (0.2 points)
geoo: möbius (0 points)
Ramon: Insane Steve (0.5 points)

A rather startling lack of confidence in Rubix. Also funny how people at the top picked better than people at the bottom, for the most part.

Which makes the final standings:

1) möbius: 9.62
2) Simon: 9.58
3) Gronkling: 8.63
4) ccexplore: 8.52
5) Akseli: 8.46
6) LemSteven: 7.61
7) Insane Steve: 7.26
8) Clam Spammer: 6.84
9) Rubix: 5.93
10) Ramon: 5.57
11) geoo: 5.53

So a few people swapped places in the last question. Most importantly, though, if I scored question 11 AGAIN with these result, Simon actually becomes the winner of the entire contest.

SUCCESSFUL TIME PARADOX YESSSSSSSSS

Congratulations möbius (or perhaps Simon?)! Thanks to all for participating.

[RubiX]

I got thrown under the bus! 


gg though, worked out very well.

[Quizmaster]

Welcome all to Family Clam Round 8!

EDIT: Fixed Question 3 image being unavailable for some. Consequently I had to swap the numbers over and change my answer accordingly.

Clam's answers will be entered immediately and will not change (except they already have due to technical reasons. Oh well).


Family Feud questions

1. Name a word ending with the letters 'ough'. (Be careful with spelling!)

2. LET'S LOSE FRIENDS BY BATTLE PLAYING! Which one of the five rules of 2P Lemmings battle-play do you break?
(a) Digging out of the screen
(b) Blocking in obnoxious locations
(c) Pausing in the middle of a battle
(d) Not cooperating on the cooperation levels
(e) Killing the other player's lemmings instead of saving your own

3. The new year approaches, time to get a calendar!
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57182300/feudcalendar.png
Which of the adorable guinea pig pictures in this calendar is the cutest?
(edit) Clarification: The panels don't correspond to months in an obvious way, please choose a number (1 to 13) rather than a month.

Family non-feud questions

4. It's Christmas time! Yes, already. Well, whether it is or not is up to you! Choose any day from now (November 15) until Christmas Day (December 25) to put up your Christmas tree. That's 41 dates to choose from. Having a tree up gives you Christmas cheer, so for each day your tree is up you gain 0.1 points (including the day you put it up, and up to and including Christmas Day). However, every person who puts their tree up later than you berates you for starting too soon, causing you to lose 0.4 points. You can't get a negative score though, however badly your Christmas gets ruined.

5. There is another soup kitchen across town from geoo's, open 24 hours, but this one operates differently. The student volunteer chef makes soup at a constant rate of 0.3 litres per hour (0.005 per minute). She chooses this rate to make the maths work out nicely, not to help the starving people (seriously how many bums can you expect to feed at that rate). When you visit, you take however much soup there is at the time and leave. Because it's across town and you bums lack a decent means of transport, you can only visit once between 00:00 and 24:00. Choose a time of day, to the minute, to collect your soup. If multiple bums arrive at the same time, each gets an equal share of the offering. You score 1 point * the amount (in litres) of soup you get.

6. You all enter a dark and scary cave in search of treasure. There isn't any really, but you're not to know that yet . The cave is laid out like this:

Whatever path you take, you come across 5 junctions, and at each junction you can turn left or right. What sequence of turns do you take? Because there's no treasure, your only consolation is the shared sense of adventure with your fellow treasure-hunters. After each turn, you gain 0.2 points if you still have company and aren't left on your own, cold and lonely in the deep dark cave.

7. This question refers to itself. How many players (including yourself) will choose the same number as you for this question? You score 1 point if correct, 1/2 if off by 1, 1/3 if off by 2, etc. Answer must be a positive whole number.

8. This question also refers to itself. How many players will choose a different number to you for this question? Scoring as in the previous question. Answer must be a positive whole number.


Scribble your answers on a piece of paper and feed it into the giant clam. Or, alternatively, PM them to Quizmaster.

[ccexplore]

I got thrown under the bus! 

  Blame it on the Quizmaster starting to report everyone's scores and standings starting on round 5.  I wager I'm not the only person who actually reviewed everyone's standings on all previous rounds, and noticed that Rubix never made top 3 ever, and managed to be exactly 3rd from last for both of 2 previous rounds.

And sure enough, he was once again cursed to be 3rd from last on the most recently scored round, both before and after question 11.  Spooky...

[RubiX]

Dam, so I guess I shouldn't have read from this witches book I found on halloween night.

[geoo]

That was a neat round, except for the rock, paper, scissors question. I wanted to take scissors there, but I rolled my die and it said to take paper.
Made a bunch of wrong decisions on the questions I was unsure on, so it looks like Simon and me almost changed positions compared to last round. Oh well.
Oh and for the record, in my mind, Pluto never deserved to be a planet in the first place. (Was tempted to pick yes to appeal to the majority, but no.)

Next round looks exciting too.

[mobius]

Rock (0 points): 1 - (Ramon)
Scissors (2.4 points): 1 - (möbius)
Paper (0 points): 9 - Everyone else

  …I didn’t think about this question at all. What is there to think about, it’s rock paper scissors?

Steve must have read my mind because in the last quiz, for the planet question I was going to answer “Pluto… AND DON’T TELL ME IT’S NOT A PLANET DAMMIT!”

also, I agree it should not have been considered a planet in the first place, as part of the Kuiper belt… but once you declare something; Stand by your word dammit!!!! No matter how wrong it is!! That’s the George Bush logic.


geoo and Simon often predict failure for me....    To the victor belong the spoils!

[Quizmaster]

Bumping this topic in case anyone hasn't seen Round 8 yet. One day (plus a few hours) to go!

[Quizmaster]

Dingdingding! Round 8 is over! Once again there were 11 entries.

1. Name a word ending with the letters 'ough'.

tough: 3
though: 2
through: 2
enough: 1
cough: 1
rough: 1
dinosaur: 1

A tough one () given the number of choices. Fun fact: the most commonly used in actual writing is 'through', according to this page.


2. LET'S LOSE FRIENDS BY BATTLE PLAYING! Which one of the five rules of 2P Lemmings battle-play do you break?

(e) Killing the other player's lemmings instead of saving your own: 4
(a) Digging out of the screen: 2
(b) Blocking in obnoxious locations: 2
(d) Not cooperating on the cooperation levels: 2
(c) Pausing in the middle of a battle: 1

This pretty well matches the overall effectiveness (some may say 'cheapness') of these actions in the game


3. The new year approaches, time to get a calendar!
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57182300/feudcalendar.png
Which of the adorable guinea pig pictures in this calendar is the cutest?

#1: 3
#6: 3
#11: 2
#2: 1
#4: 1
#5: 1

Pretty flowers win the day here. Awww :3


4. It's Christmas time! Yes, already. Well, whether it is or not is up to you! Choose any day from now (November 15) until Christmas Day (December 25) to put up your Christmas tree. That's 41 dates to choose from. Having a tree up gives you Christmas cheer, so for each day your tree is up you gain 0.1 points (including the day you put it up, and up to and including Christmas Day). However, every person who puts their tree up later than you berates you for starting too soon, causing you to lose 0.4 points. You can't get a negative score though, however badly your Christmas gets ruined.

 Date     Cheers  Complaints Score
19 Nov      37        10      0
21 Nov      35         9      0
24 Nov      32         8      0
 4 Dec      22         7      0
 8 Dec      18         6      0
11 Dec      15         5      0
16 Dec      10         4      0
18 Dec       8         3      0
21 Dec (x2)  5         2      0.1
25 Dec       1         0      0.1

Well, this was a miserable Christmas for all involved – including the Quizmaster whose scoring system didn't take into account the number of players. It is marginally better though to just enjoy Christmas when it comes, and not get caught up in the hype early on.


5. There is another soup kitchen across town from geoo's, open 24 hours, but this one operates differently. The student volunteer chef makes soup at a constant rate of 0.3 litres per hour (0.005 per minute). She chooses this rate to make the maths work out nicely, not to help the starving people (seriously how many bums can you expect to feed at that rate). When you visit, you take however much soup there is at the time and leave. Because it's across town and you bums lack a decent means of transport, you can only visit once between 00:00 and 24:00. Choose a time of day, to the minute, to collect your soup. If multiple bums arrive at the same time, each gets an equal share of the offering. You score 1 point * the amount (in litres) of soup you get.

Remarkably, one time got picked twice, out of 1441 possible choices.

Time       Score
01:20      0.4
01:28      0.04
06:37      1.545
06:56      0.095
08:44      0.54
10:57(x2)  0.3325
11:59      0.31
12:00      0.005
13:02      0.31
16:03      0.905

A couple of good scores here, but the real winner is the student volunteer who gets to keep almost a third of the soup for herself! (I knew she wasn't doing it to help the poor! )


6. You all enter a dark and scary cave in search of treasure. There isn't any really, but you're not to know that yet . The cave is laid out like this:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57182300/feudcave.JPG
Whatever path you take, you come across 5 junctions, and at each junction you can turn left or right. What sequence of turns do you take? Because there's no treasure, your only consolation is the shared sense of adventure with your fellow treasure-hunters. After each turn, you gain 0.2 points if you still have company and aren't left on your own, cold and lonely in the deep dark cave.

Let's check out the map and see where everyone ended up:

In case you can't see/interpret the picture:
LLLLL: 5, 1 point
RRRRR: 2, 1 point
RLRLR: 2, 1 point
LLLRL: 1, 0.6 points
LRRRL: 1, 0.2 points

Okay, so most people picked the simplest sequences available. Maybe worth revisiting sometime with different wording (if that's even possible).


7. This question refers to itself. How many players (including yourself) will choose the same number as you for this question? You score 1 point if correct, 1/2 if off by 1, 1/3 if off by 2, etc. Answer must be a positive whole number.

1: picked once, 1 point
2: picked 2 times, 1 point
3: picked once, 1/3 point
4: picked 6 times, 1/3 point
5: picked once, 1/5 point


8. This question also refers to itself. How many players will choose a different number to you for this question? Scoring as in the previous question. Answer must be a positive whole number.

3: picked once, 1/8 point
6: picked once, 1/5 point
7: picked 3 times, 1/2 point
8: picked 4 times, 1/2 point
9: picked once, 1/2 point
13: picked once, 1/4 point

No one got a here, but most (8/11) were only one off.


And now for the rankings! (Scores to 2dp)

1st: Ramon 5.81
2nd: LemSteven 5.74
3rd: möbius 5.31
4th: Rubix 4.63
5th: geoo 4.5
=6th: Clam, Insane Steve 4.31 (exactly equal: 3.64 + 2/3 )
8th: Simon 3.98
9th: Gronkling 3.21
10th: ccexplore 2.95
11th: Akseli 2.88

It's been a round of remarkable ties (okay, the tree one isn't remarkable at all if you're familiar with probability) and suboptimal scoring mechanisms. Fun times!

Finally, some loose ends:
1) Thanks to Gronkling for sending in this lovely drawing!


2) I (Clam) scored this round with a spreadsheet: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57182300/LemForums/feudscore.xls
With this you can:
- See who gave what answers (which, as you've likely noticed, I've left out of this post)
- Check my scoring
- Score your own Feuds by reusing the template

See you next time, when there will be a brand new Quizmaster!

[chaos_defrost]

Wait why didn't I get any soup 

I think I put 8:something which doesn't get me a ton of soup but should bump me up to 4th iirc rabblerabblerabble

[Quizmaster]

That's what happens when you enter after I've mostly typed up the post Your soup is included in the final score already, you can see this in the spreadsheet.

[chaos_defrost]

Ah, cool. Doesn't help that I don't have an .xls reader on the netbook here so I can't read the scoresheet until tomorrow. Makes the tie even more awesome 

Good round overall 

[ccexplore]

Yikes, I was so completely off-base on some of the questions.

#6: originally picked LLLLL, then changed it to LRRRL because Rubix mentioned that exact sequence in IRC when asking Clam about answer format.  Of course Rubix ended up using another sequence for his answer, so changing my answer totally backfired and made me score lowest on that one (even Rubix's answer scored higher ).

#5: indeed the student volunteer is the real winner here--judging by some of the answers given, I wonder how many people understood that question at all!  I was actually counting on my answer (10:57) to be amongst the earliest ones, and was expecting the answers to cluster more around the later parts of the day, not the early parts.  Even if people picked in early part of the day to avoid a predicted later-part clustering (like I did), I wouldn't expect answers like 1:20 which seems rather absurdly early.

Hell of a coincidence that geoo picked the exact same time as I did , good thing this question at least lets you split the spoils evenly in that case.

#4: ok, I have to say my brain probably farted a little on that one.  I was expecting at least one or two people to pick November 15 and thought I could at least beat them.  Should've been more conservative and account for the possibility that my answer may be the earliest (which turned out to be the case), and just pick November 15 to at least make it more likely to get a nonzero score.

[Quizmaster]

Come on down!

It’s time to play the Faaamilyyyyy-Fued! The contestants who participate in this round have a chance to win a fabulous prize, tell them what they can win Dave.

Dave: Well Bob, today we have a great prize for everybody. It is… a brand… new… television set! (television set not included with this prize) Back to you Bob.

Thank you Dave.

A few rules first.
-This game will be open for entry for a total of three days, and that's firm. It will not change. Unless the Quizmaster decides differently.
- You hereby swear that all the questions you answer are truthful to the best of your knowledge, before God.
-You may ask the quizmaster questions. He may answer them if he sees fit.
-There is no challenging the quizmaster. If you anger the quizmaster you may lose points.
-The quizmaster can give additional points to those contestants who show extra creativity and awesomeness.
- Mr Green, in the Kitchen, with the Knife


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part One: (In questions 1-5 pick the most popular answer)

1. Who ya gonna call?

2. Whose avatar on this forum is the best?

3. You’re hunting in the forest just to keep your family fed, and you only have 1 bullet left in your gun. So which of the following animals do you shoot and take home for dinner?

a) Capybara
b) Porcupine
c) Guinea pig
d) Beaver

4. Pirates or Vikings?

5. “As the students know, we always ask this question:”
What’s your favorite swear word?

IMPORTANT: The forum automatically censors swear words, so you can censor it yourself if you like. Either way please make sure the quizmaster can understand what the word is. Try using it in a sentence; that will help, and if you’re lucky the sentence may appear on the results for all to see and you may even get an extra point for creativity.

scoring for popular questions:
Your answer was picked x times. The most popular answer was picked y times. Your score is x/y (rounded to the nearest tenth, hundredth etc. if necessary)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part Two:
Now it’s time to kick it up a notch!

--Trust-- [questions 6,7 and 8 are linked]
6. All the contestants are sent to Compton, California (a notoriously dangerous city). You all must tour the city in pairs, so choose a partner. You must pick (3) players of the last game or ones you think will join this game. You cannot pick yourself. Put your most desirable partner as first on the list. If this player doesn’t participate, your second will get chosen, etc.
This question has no score.

7. (Based on question 6) Imagine you are in the city, with your partner [that you chose in question 6]. Sometime during your tour you need to use a restroom or water closet. But you’re not allowed to take your wallet, purse, or European handbag into the restroom or water closet. You can either

a) Attempt to hide your wallet, purse, or European handbag while doing your business, upon which you get caught and punished. You get 0 points.
b) Entrust your wallet, purse, or European handbag with your partner. You either get 1 point or -1 point with this option depending on the outcome of the next question.


8. (Based on question 6) Now imagine you are in the city, this time assume you were chosen as somebody’s partner. Your partner needs to use the restroom or water closet. Assume they choose to leave their wallet, purse, or European handbag with you. You have two options:

a) STAY and keep their belongings for them.
b) RUN off with all their money and pictures of their children.

=========
Scoring explanation for both 7 and 8:
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY. The quizmaster doesn’t like to repeat himself.

7:
-If you chose option (b) in question 7 and the partner you chose chooses to STAY in question 8: you’ll get 1 point.
-If you chose option (b) in question 7 and the partner you chose chooses to RUN in question 8: you’ll get -1 point.

[remember: if you chose option (a) in question 7, you’ll get 0 points for question 7 regardless of the outcome of question 8]

8:
-If you are picked as somebody’s partner and you chose to STAY in question 8 (and they entrusted their money to you): you get 0 points. Kindness isn’t rewarded here.
-If you are picked as somebody’s partner and you chose to RUN in question 8 (and they entrusted their money to you): you get 1 point. You get to run off with money, yay!
-If you’re picked as somebody’s partner, you choose to STAY but they didn’t give you their
wallet, purse or European handbag, you’ll get 1 points.
-If you’re picked as somebody’s partner, you choose to RUN but they didn’t give you their wallet, purse or European handbag, you’ll get 0 points.
-If you are NOT picked as anybody’s partner and you chose to STAY in question 8: you get 1 point for being a good person. Kindness is rewarded here.
-If you are NOT picked as anybody’s partner and you chose to RUN in question 8: you get 0 points (for running away with nothing in your hands).
-If you are picked as partners to multiple people, you’re a popular guy and you’ll get scored for each partner.
-If all three people on your list in question 6 have not participated, you are very unlucky and get -1 point for both 7 and 8.
===============


9.  Dinner Time
All the contestants are at a dinner party, sitting around a large table and there is a plate of food in front of you. However, you are not going to eat the plate in front of you. Rather you must pick from someone else’s plate. You’re picking another contestant again. Pick (3) players other than yourself. You cannot pick your own plate. As in question 6 your first player will be chosen unless they don't participate.

scoring:
-If all the people on your list do not participate; you’ll get 0 points. (and go away very hungry)
-If you pick a plate that nobody else has picked you’ll get 1 point and yummy food.
-If more than one person pick the same plate, that plate will be divided up evenly, accordingly. (example: if three people pick 1 plate, they all will get 1/3 a point.)
-In addition; if your plate remains untouched you’ll get an extra point. (and more yummy food!)


10. Time Paradox
Who will get first place or the highest score in this game? You’re trying to get the CORRECT answer here.
Pick a member. Whoever picks first place gets 1 point, whoever picks next to first gets 0.9 points, then 0.8, etc. If you pick someone who has entered at least two earlier rounds who does not enter, you will get 0.5 points. This question will be scored last, and will be based on the scores before this question is scored, in order to increase time paradoxification.
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[ccexplore]

To clarify on question 9, does it mean you only score 0 only if all 3 people you specified in the list all do not participate?

[Quizmaster]

Yes. ccexplore is very wise. (the quizmaster re-worded the post)

It has also come to the attention of the quizmaster that there is a flaw in question 8. As of now, ignore it and participate as usual until the league of awesomeness can fix this catastrophe.

[Simon]

For clarity, the flaw is the point distribution in this case:
- Let A denote the set of players that choose player B as their partner.
- A is not empty.
- All players from A smuggle the wallet into the restroom.
- Player B runs.

Point distribution is ambiguous because there are merely statements for "B is not chosen by anyone and runs away with nothing" and "B is chosen and runs away with money".

Actually, möbius sent me the questions beforehand to check for any holes like this, I'm a bit afraid that this has slipped through. >_> This multi-question is actually one of the most complex we've had so far.

-- Simon

[Clam]

The Birthday Paradox

works out the chance of two people picking the same answer from a fixed number of options, if everyone chooses at random. (Okay, we don't really answer at random, but this way you can at least calculate something )

11 people entered Round 8, so the chances of a match are:
Q4 (Xmas trees, 41 options): 77%. It's actually unlikely that everyone picks differently!
Q5 (soup time, 1441 options): 3.8%, actually quite unlikely.

[ccexplore]

For clarity, the flaw is the point distribution in this case:
- Let A denote the set of players that choose player B as their partner.
- A is not empty.
- All players from A smuggle the wallet into the restroom.
- Player B runs.

Point distribution is ambiguous because there are merely statements for "B is not chosen by anyone and runs away with nothing" and "B is chosen and runs away with money".

Actually, möbius sent me the questions beforehand to check for any holes like this, I'm a bit afraid that this has slipped through. >_> This multi-question is actually one of the most complex we've had so far.

Good catch.  Based on the scoring description so far, I'm guessing the intend is that B only scores 1 pt in the "steal your wallet" case for each player that chose B as partner and entrust B with wallet, otherwise 0.  In other words, 1 pt for each wallet he actually successfully steals, and the above scenario would therefore yield 0 points for B.

[Quizmaster]

The following changes (additions only) have been appended to question 8:

-If you’re picked as somebody’s partner, you choose to STAY but they didn’t give you their
wallet, purse or European handbag, you’ll get 1 points.

-If you’re picked as somebody’s partner, you choose to RUN but they didn’t give you their wallet, purse or European handbag, you’ll get 0 points.

Not a major change in the rules, only covering a plot hole in the storyline which wouldn't have made much sense in the results. Never-the-less if you would like to review the rules and change your answer feel free.

Two days remain to enter your entries!!!

[ccexplore]

It may be a small addition to the rules, but I'd have to imagine some people needing to really reconsider their answers now, since holding on to one's wallet can now benefit your chosen partner over yourself score-wise.  This in turn may change a participant's expectation how question 7 would be answered by potential partners, and thus changing how the participant would answer 8.

[Quizmaster]

Just a reminder that there's not much time left to enter! 
[Technically the time is up but I'll wait for the stragglers]

also, the quizmaster wishes you a happy thanksgiving

[Quizmaster]

ROUND 9 RESULTS:

round nine is now closed!

Round 9 Results are in! A bit of a startling lack of participants this time; made for some interesting scores.


1. Who ya gonna call?
Ghost busters: picked 5 times, 1 point.
girlfriend: picked 1 time, 0.2 points
Chris Hansen: picked 1 time, 0.2 points

perhaps xxxx’s girlfriend is a ghost buster? Mobius chose Chris Hansen because Chris Hansen can get anybody to do anything and isn’t afraid of no ghost.


2. Whose avatar on this forum is the best?
Clam_Spammer: picked 3 times, 1 point
ccexplore: picked 3 times, 1 point
Gronkling: picked once, 0.33 points

It looks like we have a tie between Clam and ccexplore. Gronkling also gets a worthy mention. Perhaps animated avatars are the new trend?


3. You’re hunting in the forest just to keep your family fed, and you only have 1 bullet left in your gun. So which of the following animals do you shoot and take home for dinner?
Capybara: 6 times, 1 point
Beaver: 1 time, 0.167

Well, the capybaras may become endangered. On the other hand, the porcupine and guinea pig both made it out of the forest alive today.


4. Pirates or Vikings?
Pirates: 5 times, 1 point
Vikings: 2 times, 0.4 points

When I was in high school Vikings would have won hands down. Perhaps ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ brought Pirates back. Or maybe I really did learn nothing in high school.


5. What’s your favorite swear word?
f%ck: 4 times, 1 point
sh%t: once, 0.25 points
fan: once 0.25 points
f%cknuggets: once 0.25

this forum has quite the pottymouth. For example, like this:
“because I am a big fan of the lemmings-style gameplay that the Lix has to offer"


The scores resolved so far marked here are:

Clam Spammer - 5
Simon – 4.4
ccexplore – 3.45
RubiX - 5
geoo - 5
LemSteven – 3.417
mobius – 2.15

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The second part:

6. List of players and the partners they chose:

(player-------------partner chosen)
Clam Spammer----ccexplore
Simon ---------------Rubix
ccexplore -----------Rubix
RubiX ---------------LemSteven
geoo -----------------LemSteven
LemSteven  -------mobius
mobius   -------------?

[Only 1 player (mobius) was unlucky enough to have all 3 of his choices not enter]

This question has no score


7. (Based on question 6) Imagine you are in the city, with your partner [that you chose in question 6]. Sometime during your tour you need to use a restroom or water closet. But you’re not allowed to take your wallet, purse, or European handbag into the restroom or water closet. You can either

a) Attempt to hide your wallet, purse, or European handbag while doing your business, upon which you get caught and punished. You get 0 points.
b) Entrust your wallet, purse, or European handbag with your partner. You either get 1 point or -1 point with this option depending on the outcome of the next question.

Clam Spammer—--trusted his partner (B), got -1 point, ccexplore ran off with his money!
Simon ---------------trusted his partner (B), and got 1 point, Rubix is trustworthy
ccexplore ----------doesn’t trust his partner, he chose to be safe and take 0 points (A)
RubiX ---------------doesn’t trust his partner, he chose to be safe and take 0 points (A)
geoo -----------------trusted his partner (B), got -1 point; LemSteven ran off with his money!
LemSteven  -------doesn’t trust his partner, he chose to be safe and take 0 points (A)
mobius   ------------trusted his partner (B), but since he has no partner, -1 and sad face .

-Only 1 person is trustworthy!

8. (Based on question 6) Now imagine you are in the city, this time assume you were chosen as somebody’s partner. Your partner needs to use the restroom or water closet. Assume they choose to leave their wallet, purse, or European handbag with you. You have two options:

a) STAY and keep their belongings for them.
b) RUN off with all their money and pictures of their children.

Clam Spammer---wasn’t picked as anybody’s partner and ran away with nothing, 0 points.
Simon -------------wasn’t picked as anybody’s partner and chose to Stay, 1 point for kindness.
ccexplore ---------ran off with Clam’s money! 1 point.
RubiX --------------stayed to keep both ccexplore and Simon’s money. Simon trusted him, 0 pt. ccexplore didn’t trust him however and gives Rubix 1 point for attempted kindness.
geoo --------------- wasn’t picked as anybody’s partner and chose to Stay, 1 point for kindness.
LemSteven  ------runs off with geoo’s money! 1 point, but Rubix didn’t trust him so 0 there.
mobius   -----------tried to run off with LemSteven’s money but LemSteven didn’t trust him, 0 points. 

-----------
Only 2 people got to run off with somebody’s wallet. Only one person gained a point in question 7.
Three people are either untrusting or don’t like to gamble. The majority chose to run in question 8, looks like we have some untrustworthy people here. The lesson learned here today is obvious; next time you need to use a restroom in the city: hold it.
At least nobody got a negative score


9.  Dinner Time
All the contestants are at a dinner party, sitting around a large table and there is a plate of food in front of you. However, you are not going to eat the plate in front of you. Rather you must pick from someone else’s plate. You’re picking another contestant again. Pick (3) players other than yourself. You cannot pick your own plate. As in question 6 your first player will be chosen unless they don't participate.

scoring:
-If all the people on your list do not participate; you’ll get 0 points. (and go away very hungry)
-If you pick a plate that nobody else has picked you’ll get 1 point and yummy food.
-If more than one person pick the same plate, that plate will be divided up evenly, accordingly. (example: if three people pick 1 plate, they all will get 1/3 a point.)
-In addition; if your plate remains untouched you’ll get an extra point. (and more yummy food!)


Clam Spammer-----plate was eaten by ccexplore; ccexplore gets 1 point.
Simon ---------------remains untouched, Simon gets 1 point.
ccexplore ----------plate was eaten by Simon and geoo. Simon and geoo each get 0.5 point.
RubiX ---------------plate was eaten by Mobius, mobius gets 1 point.
geoo ----------------remains untouched, geoo gets 1 point.
LemSteven  -------plate was eaten by Clam, Clam gets 1 point.
mobius   ------------plate was eaten by Rubix and LemSteven, Rubix and LemSteven each get 0.5 points.


-Rubix was the last person on Mobius’ list, so Mobius was the unluckiest player this round.
-the most picked partner and plate was Akseli, he’s a popular guy.
-the second part really hurt Clam and took him down from first place in the first section.

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The scores for the entire quiz thus far:

Simon – 7.9
RubiX - 6.5
geoo – 6.5
ccexplore – 5.45
Clam Spammer - 5
LemSteven – 4.917
mobius – 2.15

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10. Time Paradox
Who will get first place or the highest score in this game? You’re trying to get the CORRECT answer here.
Pick a member. Whoever picks first place gets 1 point, whoever picks next to first gets 0.9 points, then 0.8, etc. If you pick someone who has entered at least two earlier rounds who does not enter, you will get 0.5 points. This question will be scored last, and will be based on the scores before this question is scored, in order to increase time paradoxification.

picks:
Clam Spammer - Clam Spammer -  0.6
Simon – Gronkling – 0.5 (did not enter)
ccexplore – mobius – 0.5
Rubix – ccexplore – 0.8
geoo- geoo – 0.9
LemSteven – Simon – 1
mobius – ccexplore -  0.8

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Making the scores after number 10………………

Simon – 8.4
geoo – 7.4
Rubix – 7.3
ccexplore – 5.95
LemSteven – 5.917
Clam Spammer – 5.6
mobius – 2.95

-no time paradox   However, some people moved up in position.
-1 Person guessed first place correctly.


----Points for awesomeness---
Clam Spammer gets an extra point for spotting that the Clue accusation in the description changed.
Simon gets an extra point for making a sentence in question 5: “I'll rather watch f***ing Arielle than the f***ing sports channel all day”
ccexplore gets an extra point for providing some interesting information on eating Guinea Pigs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pig#As_food (not for his sentence I was expecting that )
LemSteven gets an extra point for providing pretty pictures:


geoo loses a point for insulting the quizmaster….. (jk  )

making the final scores::::::::::::

Simon – 9.4
geoo – 7.4
Rubix – 7.3
ccexplore – 6.95
LemSteven – 6.917
Clam Spammer – 6.6
mobius – 2.95
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aaaaaaaand nobody changed position..
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Making the winner of this game …………


They say when Superman’s in trouble; he comes to the rescue.
…and that he’s run around the entire world seventeen times.
all we know is…

he’s called Simon.

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the Quizmaster would like to thank Clam Spammer for providing a scoring spreadsheet for the game. It is attached to this post for future Quizmasters and the Quizmasters after them.

[geoo]

This round was interesting, especially who considers whom trustworthy.

For the avatar question, I put the following note with my pick: "This is a toughie, Clam Spammer's is nice too, but ccx' post is directly above the Quizmaster one."

Still curious about the story about ccx' favourite swearing word (I assume it's not really 'fan'). And the rationale behind the Ghostbusters answer (though I guess it's a reasonable answer if you don't know the Ghostbusters reference).

Not surprised that no-one tried to steal from Simon's and my plate, considering we posted that kind of stuff we cook in the 'geoo visiting Simon' topic.


Regarding the previous round 8, I love the Clam Quizmaster drawing Gronkling made!

For the Christmas tree question there, I thought I'd be one of the last ones to erect it on Dec 8.

For the previous soup question, the tie on 10:57 is probably not that unlikely. The 3.8% are under the assumption that every pick is equally likely, and any other distribution will actually give a higher value. Here I think the distribution is somewhat skewed towards times close to full hours. Though I'd just say, great minds think alike. (Had a couple of other answers shared only with ccx before in previous rounds too.)
Considering the Quizmaster picked 1:28 on that question, I'm not sure whether the skew towards earlier times is really caused by players not having understood the question fully. Funnily, the later entries that are a few minutes after a full hour would be more of an indication of that, if true.

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to the 10th anniversary of the Lemmings Forum family feud! In celebration of this, this round will contain a best-of selection of questions (euphemism for a lot of rehashes).
I, geoo, will be your host tonight and enter my answers right as this round is posted.


Family Feud

1. Name a planet in the solar system that is not earth.

2. Which is the dumbest question of the previous round?

3. Which is the dumbest question of this (the current) round?

4. Which skill is the least useful in Lemmings 1?

5. Does this round have too many rehashed questions?

6. Who will get his PhD first, Simon or geoo?

7. You're a busy college student, and there's a lot of procrastinating on your to-do list.
But you have an assignment due on Friday at noon (11:59 am).
It's Monday morning right now. What day do you start working on the assignment?


Mixed Questions


8. [The brazen verbatim rehash] The safes from round 5 have been reinstated, and after only getting the small bits last time, you yearn for more loot. The safes operate exactly the same way as before:
There are four safes, each containing points. You want to steal the content, but there is one issue. Each safe has an elaborate security mechanism, which can only be broken by kicking against it really hard for a certain number of times. However you can only kick once, as afterwards your feet hurt too much to dare another kick. So the players picking the same safe to crack have to work together.
Each player can kick the safe, but they can also be smart and choose not to kick, just waiting at the safe watching the others do it. If the safe opens, you share the loot, but those whose feet don't hurt are quicker to prey the safe, so they get twice as much as the other ones. If the safe doesn't open because too few people kicked against it, you get nothing.
Below is the list of safes, each with the number of kicks they need to open and the points inside.

#1: 1 kicks, 1.0 points
#2: 2 kicks, 2.4 points
#3: 3 kicks, 4.2 points
#4: 4 kicks, 6.0 points

Which safe do you pick, and do you choose to kick against it or just wait beside it and watch the others do it?


9. You all enter a dark and scary cave in search of treasure. The cave is laid out like this:

Whatever path you take, you come across 5 junctions, and at each junction you can turn left or right.
What sequence of turns do you take?
Because in the previous cave, there was no treasure, everyone is grumpy and moaning that there's probably no treasure in this cave either. So your goal is to get away from the rest as soon as possible, to avoid that annoyance: After each turn, you gain 0.4 points if you're alone and have no obnoxious company left, secretly hoping to be the one to get the treasure all for himself, 0 points if you're still with someone annoying you.


10. After the previous storm on the bum shelter's soup kitchen, the administration has decided to increase the capacity: Now two bums can eat in the soup kitchen at the same time. However, this renovation required a budget cut somewhere else, so no spoons are available anymore, and you have to bring your own device to spoon your soup. (But unlike Clam's soup kitchen, you can at least stay there to have your soup, and don't have take it away with you. And the amount of soup you get is only limited by how fast you can eat!)
There are three devices available, in decreasing order of attacking power: Fork, ladle and bucket.

• The fork is the most powerful weapon. It's hard to spoon soup with it though (it's mostly just good for picking the few sausage bits out of the soup), so you can only get 0.15 soup units per hour.
• The ladle is not as powerful as the fork, but better suited for having soup with it. You can get 0.3 soup units per hour with it.
• The bucket is the weakest weapon, but you can get 0.5 soup units per hour with it.

You have to decide on some time of the day you want to arrive at the soup kitchen; the soup kitchen is open the entire day, from midnight 0:00 to midnight 24:00. (Note: In case multiple bums arrive at soup kitchen at the same time, a fair dice roll will decide who is first.)

• If you arrive at the bum kitchen and there's still space in the soup kitchen, you sit down and start spooning your soup.
• If you arrive and all spots are occupied, but everyone inside has a strictly stronger weapon, you wait in line outside of the soup kitchen. It might be that you'll have to wait in line until midnight and get nothing.
• If all spots are occupied but there is someone with a weaker or equal weapon, you attack the bum with the weakest weapon (of both have the same weapon, the one who arrived earlier), and immediately overthrow him if he has a weaker weapon, or engage in a short struggle with equal weapons which you win. In either case, the loser runs away from the kitchen in fear. However, if you engage in a struggle with equal weapons while some bums are waiting outside in line, the first bum in line will sneak into the soup kitchen and steal the spot you're fighting for. In that case, exhausted from the struggle, you'll have to leave the soup kitchen with nothing, despite winning the struggle.

Whenever you're in the soup kitchen during peace, with relish you'll enjoy your soup. The soup units you end up eating equal the points you get for this question.

At what time of the day do you choose to arrive at the soup kitchen (be precise to the minute), and which soup spooning device do you choose?


11. But really, who will get his PhD first, Simon or geoo? This question will be scored in a couple of years.

[ccexplore]

Placeholder post for commentary I'll edit in later. Just want the new Quizmaster post to be the newest one.

Of course you know I'll just start yapping about the previous round anyway, so it'd never be newest for long.

But actually I'll get dinner first, so I'll edit this post later.  Do want to start by saying even though it's a game, I do feel a little sorry that I ended up stealing Clam's wallet and eating his food.

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For questions 7 and 8, I drew the following table:

Code: [Select]

A      B      A's score gain  B's score gain
trust  stay?       on #7          on #8        A - B   B - A
-----  -----  --------------  --------------   -----   -----
No      Yes         0               1           -1       +1
No      No          0               0            0        0
Yes     Yes         1               0           +1       -1
Yes     No         -1               1           -2       +2
For question 7 I look at the A-B column, and with my gut, I decided that the -1 worst case of not trusting my partner is not as bad as the -2 worst case of trusting my partner.  Similarly, for question 8 looking at the B-A column, running off with the wallet looks better with the 0 to +2 compared to the +1 and especially -1 of staying. I did some further calculations of expected values assuming uniformly random choice of the other person, and still end up with trusting vs not trusting work out basically the same, but running off with wallet being better, and of course if you think running off with wallet is likely to be popular then you would lean towards not trusting.

I definitely recognize it's a rather flimsy bit of reasoning--that's why I started wondering about game theory and whether it would be able to give more rigorous conclusions on how to answer the questions.  Anyhow, in real life I probably won't trust a random stranger, but I would never dream of stealing someone's wallet.

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For question 1, yep, I'm aware of the GhostBusters movie but have yet to actually watch it.  Or I might have watched one of the movies in the franchise a bit too young for me to actually remember any noteworthy lines from it, and then never watched it again when I got older.  So anyway I didn't get the reference.  I suppose I could've looked it up on Wikipedia.

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avatar question:  I have to say I didn't expect mine to be as popular as Clam's.  I picked Clam's as I genuinely like it and thought others might too, also figured most people can remember his avatar off top of their head since it matches his username so directly.  In contrast while I suppose the animation grabs people's attention, I was also thinking some (many?) people (definitely Proxima at least, though granted he doesn't participate in the feud) are sick of the spinning hamster by now and that would give a reason for people to stay away from my avatar.
 
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For question 4, it may well be the movies, but it also just seems like the pirate caricature is more defined for most people, what with the eyepatch and the "Yarrrr" and maybe the wooden leg and hook for a hand.  Viking? All I can picture is horned helmet warrior.

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I picked Capybara because it's the biggest rodent, so from a dinner standpoint it would mean more meat to feed the family, and I was hoping other people would go down the same line of reasoning.  Although I guess that doesn't take into account how easy or hard it would be to hunt the thing.  Porcupine definitely seems like a pain to prepare with all those spines.  I actually know off top of my head (due to watching some food-related travel shows on cable TV) that guinea pigs were domesticated and eaten as food in like the Peru region (in fact, I think I even remember now that the TV episode even mentioned how one of the Queen of England was once served guinea pig during a visit to Peru, as it is considered food for special occasions, and then back home the newspaper made a fuss about how the Queen was served rat), so I would most definitely answer guinea pig if I were to answer truthfully rather than guessing the popular answer.

Still curious about the story about ccx' favourite swearing word (I assume it's not really 'fan').

Wow really?  Sorry to disappoint then, it was indeed "fan" when I was talking on IRC; mobius was talking about the forum censoring swear words and the first thought that came to mind was the whole "fan" thing and how it's something that definitely won't be censored.  I will grant you though that had that conversation never came up on IRC I probably would not have picked "fan".  I was sorta hoping at least one other person on the IRC conversation would do "fan" as well, but I'll admit picking an actual swear word would be a better choice for them score-wise.

If I were to pick the most popular I'd indeed pick the f word since intuition says it's the most infamous one for English, in terms of how many people know about it and how likely it is considered the "worst" swear word.

If I were to answer truthfully...hmm, I'm not sure, but I think the ones I've used the most myself is probably either s@it or d@mn/d@mmit.  To be honest I can't say I have a "favorite" one in the sense of "I like", since I'm pretty sure every situation in which I have to use a swear word is a situation I probably didn't like in the first place.

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Ok, enough yapping, time to read and work on the current round.

[Clam]

I mentioned in IRC that these questions are Harrrrrrrrrd. And they were - so much so that I didn't care to think them through completely, since this is meant to be a fun quiz game after all. So I made my choice based on this:
(1) running seemed an obvious choice before the question was changed,
(2) you (ccexplore) hinted that you would change your answer after the question was changed.

You did actually give me something back (1/2 point) by picking my avatar instead of your own

I would guess the difficulty of questions 6-8, plus the creeping number of questions per round, are turning away some players. As fun as it might be to invent hard questions (and, for some of us, to properly think them over ), the Feud thrives on popularity and the chaos that brings. For this reason I'd suggest turning it down just a little in future rounds.

[Simon]

Yeah, many contestants make feud work. In the best case, there are so many contestants that for "What did the wise men bring to baby Jesus as a present?", you get answers like PAPRIKA, WINE, HORN, and JESUS.

Anyway, möbius's feud was still a good one of course. I didn't expect to do so well at all.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Okay, I promise I would expand more on the previous quiz but got distracted.  I will say for now that yes, initially I did thought the rule clarification might give an additional scoring opportunity for staying, but further "analysis" seem to show it wasn't helpful enough to make me change my choice to "stay".  "Analysis" in quotes because it was not at all rigorous (I don't actually have the mathematical know-how to try doing it more properly anyhow. And probably too much work even for the Beaver even if I do know how.)  Roughly speaking, maybe if the penalty for one's wallet getting stolen isn't as harsh as it was (-1 for you and +1 for your partner, so a net loss of 2 comparing your score to your partner's), it might be more compelling to consider "stay" as an option.

In the best case, there are so many contestants that for "What did the wise men bring to baby Jesus as a present?", you get answers like PAPRIKA, WINE, HORN, and JESUS.

Yes, but of course, one must note that they aren't anywhere close to the winning answers either, so to put it nicely, it's not only the number of contestants, but also the, well, "mix" of contestants.  In particular I'm not sure having 100 additional Simon-like people participating in our feuds would make for any surprising and entertaining answers.  Frankly, I suspect anyone who likes Lemmings games and participates in this forum would highly unlikely be someone who would gave above answers to the question Simon referenced.

I do have to admit on multiple rounds I have wondered whether I should just screw it for at least that round and go for intentionally funny answers instead, but so far I haven't take the jump yet.

[mobius]

I forgot to mention in the results but 7 people participated (in round 9)

I picked Capybara in spite specifically because of geoo subjecting me to “capybara porn” in the IRC. Yes, I know I clicked on the Link but I wasn’t sure it was actual… ya know. It could’ve been something else. Some funny cartoon or something. 

I was initially going to answer f#ckamabob but remembered I made that word up. There are definitely more creative swear words out there I would’ve like to see. I keep forgetting the goal of this game is guess popular answers though.

[ccexplore]

Wonder what Clam's gonna think about current round's question #10.  It seems just as complex if not more so than last round's trust-based questions.

[Clam]

I'm happy to keep playing, I'm just warning that some people might not be so keen. The rehashes are good though, hopefully some people will return to have another crack at these

[geoo]

There's still soup left, if you come at the right time with the right device!

I never analyze the questions very thoroughly like ccexplore did with Q6/7/8 from the previous round, and mostly go by intuition and heuristics, and I don't seem to do significantly worse than him. It's just for the fun.

[Quizmaster]

Round 10 closes now, here are the results:

Family Feud

1. Name a planet in the solar system that is not earth.
Mars [9] - 1 point
Uranus [1] - 1/9 point

2. Which is the dumbest question of the previous round?
Q1 (Who ya gonna call?) [3] - 1 point
Q4 (Pirates or Vikings?) [2] - 2/3 points
Q7 (Trust/purse stealing) [2] - 2/3 points
Q3 (Hunting rodents) [1] - 1/3 points
Q5 (Swear word) [1] - 1/3 points
Q9 (Dinner time) [1] - 1/3 points

3. Which is the dumbest question of this (the current) round?
Q3 (This question) [4] - 1 point
Q5 (Too many rehashes?) [2] - 1/2 points
Q8 (Rehashed safes) [2] - 1/2 points
Q2 (Dumbest previous question) [1] - 1/4 points
Q10 (Soup kitchen) [1] - 1/4 points

The Bums revisitation is this rounds dumbest bumest question!

4. Which skill is the least useful in Lemmings 1?
bomber [6] - 1 point
blocker [2] - 1/3 points
climber [1] - 1/6 points
floater [1] - 1/6 points

5. Does this round have too many rehashed questions?
yes [7] - 1 point
no [3] - 3/7 points

6. Who will get his PhD first, Simon or geoo?
Simon [6] - 1 point
geoo [4] - 2/3 points

Simon most handsome>geoo smartest. No, really I flipped a coin

I've got to make up to him for stealing his money!

geoo would like to thank those who picked him (the correct answer), and apologize for picking Simon, as he expected most players would be mislead and do the same.

Simon. Geoo will actually quit college and find his true calling in the Circus. Years later he’ll marry a Chinese dwarf and live happily ever after on an island in the South Pacific.

7. You're a busy college student, and there's a lot of procrastinating on your to-do list.
But you have an assignment due on Friday at noon (11:59 am).
It's Monday morning right now. What day do you start working on the assignment?
Thursday [4] - 1 point
Wednesday [3] - 3/4 points
Monday [2] - 2/4 points
Firday [1] - 1/4 points

Right now! Today. I’m going to procrastinate the procrastination.

In reality, I'd do it Thursday night, but I expected the other players to be a bit more diligent, like mobius, so I went with Monday.

Thursday night, sorry. Most of my profs don't take late work.

Mixed Questions

8. Safes

The haul is even worse than the previous time the safes were attacked:

#1: 1 kicks, 1.0 points - waiting: Akseli
#2: 2 kicks, 2.4 points - kicking: Gronkling, Insane Steve (0.3 points); waiting: Clam Spammer, ccexplore (0.6 points)
#3: 3 kicks, 4.2 points - kicking: Simon, geoo; waiting: RubiX
#4: 4 kicks, 6.0 points - kicking: möbius

Only safe 2 gets cracked, and in addition to the two guys kicking it, there's two more leeching (LemSteven doesn't kick because  because his foot still hurts from kicking it the last time, and Clam brazenly rehashes his answer from the previous time). Akseli could have got the 1.0 points from the first safe for himself, but he waits in front for it to open, which doesn't happen. RubiX is lazy too and doesn't help Simon and geoo to open the third safe.

9. Cave

Two pairs of players annoy each other till the end, and no-one finds the treasure:




10. Soup kitchen

Time	Event	Bum 1	Bum 2	in line
00:00	Clam (bucket) enters	Clam (bucket)	-	-
00:16	Steve (bucket) enters	Clam (bucket)	Steve (bucket)	-
03:54	Akseli attacks Clam with a fork	Steve (bucket)	Akseli (fork)	-
05:14	geoo attacks Steve with a fork	Akseli (fork)	geoo (fork)	-
08:14	Simon (ladle) arrives, waits in line	Akseli (fork)	geoo (fork)	Simon (ladle)
08:20	RubiX (ladle) arrives, waits in line	Akseli (fork)	geoo (fork)	Simon (ladle), RubiX (ladle)
09:06	mobius (bucket) arrives*, waits in line	Akseli (fork)	geoo (fork)	Simon (ladle), RubiX (ladle), mobius (bucket)
09:43	LemSteven (bucket) arrives, waits in line	Akseli (fork)	geoo (fork)	Simon (ladle), RubiX (ladle), mobius (bucket), LemSteven (bucket)
19:00	Gronkling (bucket) arrives**, waits in line	Akseli (fork)	geoo (fork)	Simon (ladle), RubiX (ladle), mobius (bucket), LemSteven (bucket), Gronkling (bucket)
19:41	ccexplore fork-fights Akseli, Simon sneaks in	geoo (fork)	Simon (ladle)	RubiX (ladle), mobius (bucket), LemSteven (bucket), Gronkling (bucket)
24:00	soup kitchen closes, everyone leaves	-	-	-

*) mobius actually wears the bucket on the top of his head and runs around singing: “How do you solve a problem like Maria?”, but the distraction maneuver doesn't work unfortunately.
**) Gronkling actually tries to ladle-attack Akseli (see photo below courtesy of Gronkling), but Akseli fends him off and sends him to the end of the waiting queue.


Scoring:
2.82 - geoo
2.48 - Insane Steve
2.37 - Akseli
1.95 - Clam
1.30 - Simon
0.00 - everyone else

Early Clam catches the soup (even though he commented "I am *so* gonna get screwed for trying this"), and so does Steve, before both get kicked out by Akseli and geoo respectively. Akseli and geoo occupy the soup kitchen for most of the day, intimidating everyone else with their forks, until ccexplore attack Akseli, and Simon gets rewarded after waiting for over 11 hours. But RubiX, mobius, LemSteven and Gronkling wait all night and get nothing, no soup for them.


Final results:

1. geoo (9.62)
2. Clam (8.72)
3. LemSteven (8.133)
4. Insane Steve (8.129)
5. Simon (7.91)
6. Akseli (7.35)
7. ccexplore (6.16)
8. Gronkling (5.72)
9. mobius (5.67)
10. RubiX (5.24)

LemSteven leads quite comfortably after the first nine questions (see spreadsheet), but the soup kitchen questions scores unproportionally high, so he gets bumped down to third place after getting nothing there.

The attached spreadsheet (based on Clam's, thanks for that!) contains the detailed results.

[Quizmaster]

Feeling lucky? Then roll on up to the Clamily Casino, where your luck will be put to the test! There are no random draws though – as always, all that counts is your answers!

DISCLAIMER: The Quizmaster does not endorse gambling in any form. (Well, today's Quizmaster doesn't. Others might ) Gambling with real money will ruin your life. Do not do it. Ever.
Conscience clear? Okay, let's gamble!


Pre-Gambling (common answer questions)

1. Rehashed for luck: Choose a number that is considered to be lucky.

2. Choose your lucky charm! Name a physical object that is considered to be lucky.

3. Name something you might play at a casino, that isn't mentioned in this post.


Gambling

4. Slot machine! You each take a seat at a slot machine. Choose how many times you wish to play, up to a maximum of 20. Everyone rolls at the same time, before anyone leaves or takes their next roll. To begin with, each roll is worth 0.1 point. (This is how they suck you in ) However, when half the players have left, the machines stop giving and the remaining players lose 0.1 point per roll. As per usual, you can't get a negative score.

5. Poker! Three cards from a standard deck are laid out on the table: 7H 8H 9H (H = Hearts). Choose two cards to complete a poker hand of five cards. (Yes, I know regular poker gives you five community cards, not three. I picked three to keep it simple.) The best hand wins 1.6 points, the second best 1.4 points, then 1.2, and so on down to zero. There's only one deck, so if you have a card that someone else has, one of you must have cheated by hiding cards up your sleeve. However, no one can tell who really cheated, so rather than being thrown out, you just get ranked below everyone who isn't accused. Ties (hands are identical apart from suit) get the greater value of the two positions, eg. if two players tie for 1st then both get 1.6 points.  If you're not familiar with Poker hand rankings, try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poker_hands

6. Lottery! Choose five different numbers from 1 to 30 to be your Lucky Numbers, and choose a number from 1 to 30 to draw as a Winning Number in the lottery.  You score 1/2 point for each of your Lucky Numbers that is drawn by someone else as a Winning Number.
Notes:
- You can't win off your own Winning Number, unless someone else picked the same one.
- If more than one person picks the same Winning Number, you can't score twice from it. It just means there are less Winning Numbers in the lottery!


Meta-Gambling

7. Bonus round! Choose a Gambling question (4, 5 or 6) in which to score double! Your score for this question is the same as your score for the question you picked. (Note: you get these points in Q7, not as extra points in the question you picked.)

8. Second chance draw! Choose a Gambling question (4, 5 or 6) and submit a different answer for it. I will re-score questions 4-6 as though each player had submitted their new answer instead of the one they originally gave. (Clarification: Your original answers remain for the other questions, in order to score for players who choose those questions).
Your score for question 8 is your new score for your chosen question.

The Clamily Casino closes in 3 days, be sure to lose all your money in the meantime!

[ccexplore]

Hmm, so my worst fears did come true on last round's soup kitchen.  Actually, I'm surprised (although in hindsight perhaps I shouldn't be) at how many people ended up waiting outside, it basically means I would've been screwed anyway even if I did  try to go for a "sneak in" strategy.  I was expecting a lot more people to bring the fork to fight.  Should've just done what Clam did and start off with the bucket as soon as the kitchen opened (or at least fork my way in around that earlier time).

And darn it, with Clam's latest round that's one more theme I can't use for my own questions.  It's so easy to come up with feud questions but I'm having a hard time coming up with decent non-feud questions (only 3 so far and they are all sort of rehashes, except a mediocre one).

[ccexplore]

DISCLAIMER: The Quizmaster does not endorse gambling in any form. (Well, today's Quizmaster doesn't. Others might ) Gambling with real money will ruin your life. Do not do it. Ever.

It's not so much the gambling as not being able to stop yourself.  Of course, you might not know if you are able to stop or not until it's too late......

(also, one might note that unlike real life, Clam has generously run his casino to explicitly not let you to lose anything, as there are no negative scores to be had......)

[Simon]

Great results, comments, and imagery.

Gambling is not endorsed, yes. At a college mate's home town, four farmers sat together one evening between Christmas and New Year to play Mensch Ärger Dich Nicht with a wager of 50 Euros (about 60 to 70 USD), winner takes all. It's a simplified variant of Pacheesi, you can sometimes meaningfully choose which person's piece to throw out, but that's it; it is just luck-driven otherwise. Quote by the student: "And the dumb blacksmith even won twice for 300 Euros!"

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Presumably for the poker question, if you actually try to give a hand using one of the 3 cards already on the table, or using 2 identical cards, you score 0 and get thrown out of the Casino, right?

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Also, the phrasing of question 8 is a little bit unclear.  Does it mean that all original answers are thrown out, or will the original answers be used for the people who didn't choose to repeat the question being re-scored?  For example, if only 1 person chooses to repeat 4 for 8, does it mean the total number of players is 1 (and so basically he can roll 20 times scoring each time), or does it merely mean the question will be re-scored using the original answers from the N-1 other people who didn't repeat it?

[Quizmaster]

(1) I don't think it's even a poker hand if you do that, so yeah.

(2) You keep your original answers to the other two questions, so there's still a full set of answers for each question.

[Quizmaster]

ATTENTION ALL FEUDERS! The current round will remain open for one more day, for reasons which I won't mention until it's closed (to avoid any unfairness).

The Quizmaster would like to remind all players to read and understand the questions before answering, even if this is just for fun. It's in everyone's interests, because your answers affect everyone's score, but mostly it's in your own interest if you want to score well

[Quizmaster]

The Clamily Casino is now closed so I can count my money score the questions.

[Quizmaster]

Round 11 results! Eight players tried their luck at the Clamily Casino.

1. Rehashed for luck: Choose a number that is considered to be lucky.

7: picked 7 times (snap!)
13: picked 1 time


2. Choose your lucky charm! Name a physical object that is considered to be lucky.

Four-leaf clover: 5
Horseshoe: 1
Rabbit's foot: 1
Lucky charm: 1 (I guess this is some kind of unidentified generic trinket)


3. Name something you might play at a casino, that isn't mentioned in this post.

Blackjack: 5
Roulette: 3
Also worth a mention is Gronkling's initial answer of "annoying music"


4. Slot machine! You each take a seat at a slot machine. Choose how many times you wish to play, up to a maximum of 20. Everyone rolls at the same time, before anyone leaves or takes their next roll. To begin with, each roll is worth 0.1 point. (This is how they suck you in ) However, when half the players have left, the machines stop giving and the remaining players lose 0.1 point per roll. As per usual, you can't get a negative score.

Answers given were:
4, 0.4 points (picked twice)
6, 0.6 points
9, 0.9 points
10, 0.8 points (picked twice)
12, 0.6 points
14, 0.4 points

Most players know the folly of slot gambling and leave quite early.

5. Poker! Three cards from a standard deck are laid out on the table: 7H 8H 9H (H = Hearts). Choose two cards to complete a poker hand of five cards. The best hand wins 1.6 points, the second best 1.4 points, then 1.2, and so on down to zero. There's only one deck, so if you have a card that someone else has, one of you must have cheated by hiding cards up your sleeve, so you will be accused of cheating. However, no one can tell who really cheated, so rather than being thrown out, you just get ranked below everyone who isn't accused. Ties (hands are identical apart from suit) get the greater value of the two positions, eg. if two players tie for 1st then both get 1.6 points. If you're not familiar with Poker hand rankings, try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poker_hands

Legit hands:
10H 6H - straight flush - 1.6 points
6C 5S - straight - 1.4 points
9C 9D - triple - 1.2 points
8C 3D - pair - 1 point

Cheat hands:
AH 4H - flush - 0.8 points
QH 4H - flush - 0.6 points
QH 3H (picked twice) - flush - 0.4 points

Incredibly, the straight flush comes off for maximum points!


6. Lottery! Choose five different numbers from 1 to 30 to be your Lucky Numbers, and choose a number from 1 to 30 to draw as a Winning Number in the lottery.  You score 1/2 point for each of your Lucky Numbers that is drawn by someone else as a Winning Number.
Notes:
- You can't win off your own Winning Number, unless someone else picked the same.
- If more than one person picks the same Winning Number, you can't score twice from it. It just means there are less Winning Numbers in the lottery!

Today's winning numbers are:
1 (4 winners)
8 (1 winner)
9 (1 winner)
25 (picked twice; 1 winner)
26 (1 winner)
30 (2 winners)
42 (no winners unsurprisingly, also deducted 0.5 points for depriving others of a chance to score)

One lucky player picked 3 winners and scored 1.5 points
2 scored 1 point
2 scored 0.5
3 scored zero


7. Bonus round! Choose a Gambling question (4, 5 or 6) in which to score double! Your score for this question is the same as your score for the question you picked. (Note: you get these points in Q7, not as extra points in the question you picked.)

Q4: picked 4 times
Q5: picked 2 times
Q6: picked 2 times


8. Second chance draw! Choose a Gambling question (4, 5 or 6) and submit a different answer for it. I will re-score questions 4-6 as though each player had submitted their new answer instead of the one they originally gave. Your score for question 8 is your new score for your chosen question.

Four people picked each of Q4 and Q5. Nobody picked Q6, making my job much easier

Q4 (new answers in bold):
4 (picked twice)
8, 0.8 points
9
10
11, 0.7 points
13, 0.5 points (picked twice)

Q5 (new answers in bold):
LEGIT
JD 10D - straight - 1.6 points
KH 3S - nothing hand - 1.4 points
NOT LEGIT
JH 10H - straight flush - 1.2 points
10H 6H - straight flush
AH 4H - flush
QH 4H - flush
7H 6H - 7H is already on the table, the bouncer will see you to the exit.

Q5 was better (re)played overall


This round's standings (aka. who blew the least amount of money):

1st: Simon 8.1
2nd: Akseli 7.5
3rd: LemSteven 7
4th: ccexplore 6.6
5th: Clam 5.7
6th: mobius 5 (and a sore backside)
7th: Gronkling 4.6
8th: geoo 4.24

See feudscore11.xls (attached) for details.

Today's lessons:
(1) Read the question
(2) Keep track of the Feud topic and your PMs after you answer - the Quizmaster doesn't just sleep until the round is over
(3) Gambling doesn't pay! Okay, so this round didn't really teach that at all, but it's still true

Lastly, the fan contributions!

Perhaps the best strategy for everyone is to stage an Ocean-11 style heist on the Clamily Casino.

The next feud will be... sometime, hosted by... someone! (Seriously I have no idea)

[ccexplore]

That was fun and once again the outcome held some surprises.  Gambling paid off rather handsomely for the top ranking players, it would seem.

My brain farted again.  On the lottery I purposely pick the winning number to be one of the numbers I chose, because even though I definitely read where Clam says you can't score off of your own number, I somehow still incorrectly convinced myself that even if someone else scored off my winning number, "so would I". I'll have to give credit to mobius for thinking like I did while taking things a bit farther than is appropriate.  At least the deduction didn't make a difference to his rankings at the end.

On poker I specifically picked 6H 10H to be a jerk, however I originally actually picked 5H 6H and even doubled down on it for #7.  All of the choices have a bad-looking outcome (if you pick a high hand you're likely to collide with someone, while if you pick a low hand you might just have allowed someone risking a high hand to actually score, resulting in your low land scoring mediocre).  A conservative logical choice may go for a straight or lower hand, but ultimately I decided I can't live with (and as I said I wasn't psychologically comfortable with any of the choices) that if doing so means someone risking big on the straight flush actually got it [and scoring additionally on it with 7 and 8], so I went with the irrational jerk mode answer for #5 and back out of doubling down on poker for #7.  Amazingly I still actually scored the 1.6 on #5.  I thought about doing poker again for #8 with a 2-pair hand but got disillusioned and decided to fall back to slots despite the lure of poker's higher payout.  (Yep, at that point I also made the comment to QuizMaster about Ocean 11. )

The slots question was interesting, it was vaguely reminiscent of the candy/mousetrap question from one of the early rounds, but this time people answered a lot more conservatively, to my detriment

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Flushes were way too popular on the poker question.  Assuming a uniformly random pick of 2 cards from 2H 3H 4H QH KH AH (excluding all the cards that are involved with a straight flush, as you might as well just go with a straight flush then), the probability that if a second person also chooses flush, he does NOT colliding with your hand is only 0.4, so it's already more likely than not for a collision to happen.

[Clam]

I'll have to give credit to mobius for thinking like I did while taking things a bit farther than is appropriate.  At least the deduction didn't make a difference to his rankings at the end.

möbius actually picked the Lost (TV show) numbers, apparently forgetting that you can only go up to 30.

Blocking the straight flush was definitely a good call, even if you got bumped down you wouldn't lose that much. Playing a regular flush was definitely a bad idea. Unfortunately being quizmaster means you don't get the extra 3-4 days to think over your answer (except then you have advance knowledge of the questions - although thinking through strategy before posting the quiz isn't so easy, especially when you just want to get the thing posted). The poker question would be good for rehashes, with a variety of different community card combinations. I piked a versatile one here, but you could equally give something completely useless and see what people make of it.

And yes, the mousetrap thing was exactly what I had in mind. I was disappointed that no one got mousetrapped then, so I made it almost certain that someone would get it this time and then caught most of them myself, real smooth move there

[Simon]

Again, didn't expect to do so well at all, especially since cc is right about the Flushes. A little unnerving that I didn't consider this myself beforehand.

A nice feud with interesting challenges, and probably rather time-consuming to score. Good job.

Clam sent me the password, and I have 3/4 of a feud already typed up. I'll host it within the upcoming 24 hours.

-- Simon

[geoo]

Ok, that went miserably for me. No more gambling for me for a while. That was an interesting round though, for sure.

So rehashing the most common answer from the previous time for question 1 was definitely not a good idea.

I expected people to be more daring on the slot machine as well, so having this question scored thrice only makes it worse.
I thought any cheater would get the same score in the poker question, so good thing I went at least with the highest flush and not a pair (well, two aces would have been legit, but if not, I'd have scored last there).
I was too lazy to ask the random number generator for my lucky numbers, and only had it pick the winning number (1, of all choices! I was tempted to ask it for a different number, as 1 might be popular, but in true lottery fashion, I wanted to be fair here.)

[Quizmaster]

Feud number 12 is closed, see end of topic for newest feud.

Lo and behold, this feud takes us back to the middle ages. How far do you get with answering these questions before you're killed by the Spanish inquisition?

1. Name a medieval siege weapon.
2. Name a medieval weapon that can be carried around by a single person.
3. Name a defensive means of a medieval castle. Alternative wording of this question: Name a feature of a castle that aids in defense.
4. Name the number of towers of such a castle.
5. Name a special room inside a castle.
6. Name a Lemmings 2 skill associated with the Medieval tribe. (Image of practice mode)

7. The castle by the shore can be attacked from three sides, East, South, and West. You're a bowman and have to defend from atop the walls. Choose one of the three sides to guard.

The king will reward the bowmen based on their distribution efficiency. Since most enemies are expected to come from the South, about half the bowmen shall defend this side. The other two directions shall be defended by a quarter of the bowmen each. The king will calculate the difference of the actual ratio of bowmen to the desired ratio on your castle side. You get 1.2 points for being perfectly distributed, but 0.1 less for each full 1/20 of absolute difference between the ratios. (The difference of ratios on other walls than yours doesn't matter. If one wall isn't defended at all, but your wall has the desired ratio, you get plenty of gold, but the castle is conquered nonetheless. You don't care!)

8. There's a merchant caravan travelling between two castles today, which are 15 km apart. You can choose to be a highwayman and try to rob the caravan, or you can be a guard and protect it against the thieves. Choose your profession, and one of the 16 milestones (0 km = start, 1 km, 2 km, ..., 14 km, 15 km = finish) to work at.

Scoring for highwaymen: If a guard is posted at your milestone or a neighboring milestone, you are arrested and score 0 points. From the un-arrested highwaymen, the first to rob the caravan gets 1.6 points, next gets 1.2 points, third gets 0.8 points, fourth gets 0.4 points, others get 0 points. If several highwaymen lurk at the same milestone, their places are merged and distributed evenly. (E.g., 1.4 each for two thieves tying for earliest.)

Scoring for guards: You arrest all highwaymen at your milestone and the (up to) two neighboring ones, receiving a bounty of 0.6 points per prisoner. If several guards arrest the same thief, they split the bounty for him evenly. If the team of guards manages to catch every single the highwaymen along the way, the merchants will donate a bonus of 1.2 points to the last guard they pass by; this is split if several guards tie for last.

9. Fill in the blanks with usernames other than yourself: ___ catches ___. You can give a list of several names for each blank, the first who actually participates is then used; this protects you from naming nonparticipants. You can also make a list of complete sentences, and the first that has two actual participants is used.

Scoring: If the former player is actually a guard in the previous question, you get 0.3 points. If the latter name is a highwayman, you get 0.3 points. If the statement becomes true as a whole, you get an extra 0.4 points, for a total of 1 point in this question. If you state that somebody will catch himself, then your sentence will always be worth 0.3. (Remember that you cannot name yourself here for any blank.)

PM your answers to the Quizmaster!

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

For #9, what's your take on having the same person appearing on both lists?  Given X is a participant, I presume "X catches X" will be scored 0, instead of the all-but-guaranteed 0.3 if taking the rule's current wording at face value?

The situation is slightly more subtle though because we can give lists of people to handle nonparticipants, so it's possible that the same person appears in both lists, but upon closing of the round, same or different person(s) are picked from the two lists (ie. "how the lists resolve") depending on participation.  Would it be fair to say that having the same person on both lists is not outright rejected, but could potentially score 0 if upon round closing the lists resolve to "X catches X"?  Or should the resolution procedure be modified to avoid "X catches X" resolutions (seems complicated though)?  Or will having the same person on both lists be banned outright regardless of how they end up resolving?

[edit: rules have been updated to take this into consideration]

[Quizmaster]

"X catches X" is a valid choice as long as X is not you, and will always give 0.3 points as long as X participates. If you want safe points, this may be the way to go.

You can also make lists in the form "X1 catches Y1", "X2 catches Y2", "X3 catches Y3", and so on, and the first sentence that lists two actual participants is then chosen.

I've clarified question 9 with this.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Another small update:

Question 3, "Name a defensive means of a medieval castle.", gets a clarification in the following way: An alternative wording of this question is "Name a feature of a castle that aids in defense."

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Results of round 12 are in!

1. Name a medieval siege weapon.

Catapult: 1 point (Simon, ccexplore, Akseli, Clam, LemSteven)
Battering Ram: 2/5 points (geoo, Gronkling)

2. Name a medieval weapon that can be carried around by a single person.

Sword: 1 point (Simon, ccexplore, Akseli, Clam, Gronkling, LemSteven)
Bow & Arrow: 1/6 points (geoo)

Quote by geoo: Everybody will pick archer on question 6, therefore bow is the only correct choice for question 2!

3. Name a defensive means of a medieval castle. Alternative wording of this question: Name a feature of a castle that aids in defense.

Moat: 1 point (Simon, geoo, ccexplore,  Akseli, LemSteven)
Tower: 1/5 points (Clam)
Walls: 1/5 points (Gronkling)

4. Name the number of towers of such a castle.

4 towers: 1 point (geoo, Akseli, Clam, Gronkling, LemSteven)
5 towers: 1/5 points (Simon)
2 towers: 1/5 points (ccexplore)

Doesn't the keep count as another tower? :>

5. Name a special room inside a castle.

Throne Room: 1 point (Simon, ccexplore, Akseli)
Dungeon: 2/3 points (Clam, LemSteven)
Dining Room: 1/3 points (geoo)
Great Hall: 1/3 points (Gronkling)

This was very hard, Torture chamber was another good idea. I'm a bit surprised that nobody named it.

6. Name a Lemmings 2 skill associated with the Medieval tribe.

Archer: 1 point (geoo, ccexplore, Akseli, Clam, Gronkling, LemSteven)
Fencer: 1/5 points (LemSteven)
Twister: 1/5 points (Simon)

Twister is the unique skill that's explicitly named in a level name! Archer merely plays a minor Role in level 9!

7. The castle by the shore can be attacked from three sides, East, South, and West. You're a bowman and have to defend from atop the walls. See post above for scoring details.

South side: 3 bowmen of 7 (Simon, Akseli, Clam), desired ratio 1/2, difference 0.0714... = 1.1 points
West side: 3 bowmen of 7 (geoo, ccexplore, LemSteven), desired ratio 1/4, difference 0.1785... = 0.9 points
East side: 1 bowman of 7 (Gronkling), desired ratio 1/7, difference 0.1071... = 1.0 points

This question had a very minor scoring span. If this will ever get repeated, a more interesting point distribution might be called for. But it's good for now, as the next question will flip things over anyway.

8. There's a merchant caravan travelling between two castles today, which are 15 km apart. You can choose to be a highwayman and try to rob the caravan, or you can be a guard and protect it against the thieves. See post above for scoring.

1 km: Guard Akseli doesn't see any thieves, 0 points.
6 km: Highwayman Simon plunders the caravan, 1.6 points.
11 km: Guard Gronkling does great work catching Highwayman Clam at 11 km and Highwayman Lemsteven at 12 km for a total bounty of 1.2 points. No points for Clam and LemSteven.
12 km: Only an empty spot left where once the pointy robber's hat of LemSteven pointed out of the bushes.
15 km: Lazy guards geoo and ccexplore eat their doughnuts and hope that everybody else will get rid of the highwaymen. Nice try, but no cigar, 0 points.

Simon got 1.6 points.
Gronkling got 1.2 points.
All others got 0 points.

9. Fill in the blanks with usernames other than yourself: ___ catches ___. You get 0.3 points for each correct profession. Nobody made a fully true statement.

Simon: ccexplore catches geoo, 0.3 points
geoo: ccexplore catches Simon, 0.6 points
ccexplore: Simon catches Simon, 0.3 points
Akseli: Simon catches ccexplore, 0 points
Clam: Akseli catches Gronkling, 0.3 points
Gronkling: Clam catches LemSteven, 0.3 points
LemSteven: geoo catches ccexplore, 0.3 points

Very thoroughly shuffled guesses, including one safe guess by ccexplore for 0.3 points.

Final standings

Simon: 7.4 points (1 + 1 + 1 + 1/5 + 1 + 1/5 + 1.1 + 1.6 + 0.3)
Akseli: 7.1 points (1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1.1 + 0 + 0)
Gronkling: 6.433 points (2/5 + 1 + 1/5 + 1 + 1/3 + 1 + 1.0 + 1.2 + 0.3)
ccexplore: 6.4 points (1 + 1 + 1 + 1/5 + 1 + 1 + 0.9 + 0 + 0.3)
Clam: 6.267 points (1 + 1 + 1/5 + 1 + 2/3 + 1 + 1.1 + 0 + 0.3)
LemSteven: 6.067 points (1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2/3 + 1/5 + 0.9 + 0 + 0.3)
geoo: 5.4 points (2/5 + 1/6 + 1 + 1 + 1/3 + 1 + 0.9 + 0 + 0.6)

Here's a porcine prize to be shared as a feast by all the noble knights who participated.



Quote by geoo before sending in answers: Somehow, I always end up in first or in last place.

Akseli was the best feuder this time, scoring the full 6 points in the 6 feud questions. There was simply too much variance with the merchant caravan. You also were the single person to get unlucky in the last question.

Thanks to all participators from this round, and I'm sure geoo will soon take us to places weird and wondrous!

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

2. Name a medieval weapon that can be carried around by a single person.

Sword: 1 point (Simon, ccexplore, Akseli, Clam, Gronkling, LemSteven)
Bow & Arrow: 1/6 points (geoo)

Quote by geoo: Everybody will pick archer on question 6, therefore bow is the only correct choice for question 2!

  For the feud questions I've found that at least for me, going with my gut, first-instinct answer usually works out.

I have considered what you thought as well.  Besides people not updating their answers based on later questions, I wonder if anyone else also wondered whether "bow & arrow" sounds like 2 weapons (I know they really aren't, but you kinda see where I'm going) and therefore more risky?  (Although I'm guessing QuizMaster probably would've scored "bow & arrow", "bow", "arrow" as equivalent?)

4. Name the number of towers of such a castle.

4 towers: 1 point (geoo, Akseli, Clam, Gronkling, LemSteven)
5 towers: 1/5 points (Simon)
2 towers: 1/5 points (ccexplore)

If anyone's wondering, I've never saw a castle in person, and it's easy to forget about towers on the back when you're mentally picturing archetypical front-on views of an archetypical castle, in which naturally only the front towers are shown.

6. Name a Lemmings 2 skill associated with the Medieval tribe.

Archer: 1 point (geoo, ccexplore, Akseli, Clam, Gronkling, LemSteven)
Twister: 1/6 points (Simon)

Twister is the unique skill that's explicitly named in a level name! Archer merely plays a minor Role in level 9!

Interesting idea.  Perhaps people are more influenced by this picture instead (see attached).

Although honestly I wasn't even 100% sure whether the picture was what it was until I looked it up.  For me it was more a toss-up between archer and fencer with a strong lean towards archer.  I didn't even think about twister until you brought it up, and I barely remember what level 9 was.

[Simon]

Hmmm, yeah, that archer image should really be more proliferous than any other clue, and even without this, archer has a strong connotation to the theme. >_>

Now that you had mentioned Fencer, I recalled that Fencer actually was an answer to the question, given by LemSteven. I've even noted it on the sheet that I use to evaluate everything manually. Results are updated with twister and fencer both worth 1/5, and archer still 1. LemSteven drops back a couple places because of this -- sorry for the mistake earlier.

Everything should be correct now.

-- Simon

[geoo]

Oh balls, the first two questions totally screwed me over. I was contemplating between battering ram and catapult, but I never even thought of the sword for some reason, perhaps I should take some more time next time for my guesses.
For question 5 it was a toss-up between dining room, torture chamber and ball room, neither would have made a difference though. Perhaps I should have done some more brainstorming too.
I feel ccexplore and me deserve bonus points on question 8 for idly chatting and having doughnuts while everyelse was working hard. Oh well, perhaps one of us should have gone to work and catch Simon instead...

[Quizmaster]

For each question, the scoring scheme is noted in square brackets. Questions marked with [Family Feud] are scored according to the family feud scoring scheme (the more popular your answer, the more points you get).
Some questions ask you to name a member (list). Here you can list multiple multiple ones, the first participating one in your list will be chosen as your answer.

It's time for the first Lemmings forum convention, a chance to share a day with your fellow forum members. You'll all be lodged in the Lemming Hotel in the wilderness of Nunavut.
1. Which member (list) do you want to share your room with (you may NOT pick yourself here)?
[0.5 points if you pick someone no-one else wants to share a room with, 0.5 if that member has picked you as preferred roommate.]

Roommates that sing under the shower can be quite a nuisance if you don't like to sing under the shower, but they can heighten your mood if you sing under the shower and they join in. For these reasons, the next question is highly relevant with respect to roommate assignment:
2. [Family Feud] Do you sing under the shower?
[You get 0.5 bonus points if your preferred roommate has the same behaviour as you with respect to singing under the shower.]

On the way to the hotel, you guys are reminiscing the previous rounds of Family Feud; you're discussing:
3. [Family Feud] Who is the best quizmaster of the past?

Once you've arrived in the hotel, it's time for some cracker-barrel philosophy. The discussions evolve mostly around the most useless skills in Lemmings 2 and the most useful skills in Lemmings 1.
4. [Family Feud] What's the most useful skill in Lemmings 1?

Unexpectedly, there is a wide range of opinions on this question (or perhaps it's just a troll having joined the discussion).
5. Name a member (list) who did not pick "builder" in question 4. You may pick yourself.
[0.5 points if you're correct, 0 points if wrong.]

After all the discussions around Lemmings, it's time to actually engage in playing Lemmings.
6. [Family Feud] You're all time-attacking Just Dig simultaneously, a competitive battle to the death, for fame and glory. But you've somehow managed to run out of diggers without getting to the exit. Apart from diggers, which skill do you wish you had available now?

After playing for quite a while and killing all your lemmings, you get hungry, and you think of delicious ham.
7. [Family Feud] Name a word that begins with "ham" that is not "ham".

8. But just thinking of ham doesn't fill your stomach, so it's time for a real dinner. You are contemplating going to the nearest soup kitchen, but your past experience says chances are you might not get any soup. It's cold outside anyway and you're lazy, so you guys decide on ordering pizza. Available toppings are:

Extra Large Pepperoni
Leek
Italian Sausage (a.k.a. Salami)
Eggplant
Beef
Pineapple
Mushrooms
Black Olives
Spiced Ham
Anchovies
Banana

Each of you gets to order one pizza, for which you can choose 3 from the above toppings. Everyone has some toppings he doesn't like, so list exactly 3 toppings from the above which you don't like (this shouldn't be hard, considering the available toppings). Cheese and Sauce will be added by default, so you don't have to worry that you might end up with a pizza like this: http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-04-01/1270073756437.jpg
Once the pizzas arrive, each pizza is split up evenly among everyone who doesn't dislike the pizza (i.e. you get a share from each pizza that doesn't feature any toppings you dislike).
Which three toppings from the above do you choose for your pizza, and which three toppings do you dislike?
[The amount of pizza you get is converted into points you score.]

After having pizza, everyone goes to sleep. The next morning, you get up and all go to have a shower.
9. [Family Feud] Under the shower, you hear someone singing "I'm a barbie girl". Who could that be? (You may pick yourself)

10. It's time to travel home. You have the choice to either rent a car yourself, or pick someone who you want to take a ride with. If you want to take a ride with someone who doesn't have a car, then you just take a ride with that person's choice. If that person doesn't have a car either, you two go with that person's choice, and so on. If at some point you find someone with a car, you mount the car, if not, you don't have a ride home and get 0 points.
The rental cars only have capacity for 4 people. If you're at most 4 people in the car, the driver takes you home, and the driver gets 0.4 points (as he has to drive), while everyone else in the car gets 1 point. But if more than 4 people (including the driver) mount the car, once you all managed to squeeze in, the car will collapse with a loud crash and an explosion. In that case the driver will call the insurance and get a taxi ride home for himself (only 0.4 points due to all the hassle), everyone else who mounted the collapsed car gets nothing.
Do you want to rent a car, or take a ride with someone? In the latter case, name the member (list) you want to take a ride with.

[ccexplore]

6. [Family Feud] You're all time-attacking Just Dig simultaneously, a competitive battle to the death, for fame and glory. But you've somehow managed to run out of diggers without getting to the exit. Apart from diggers, which skill do you wish you had available now?

To clarify, "time-attacking" means we are racing to see who finishes the level first? (100% or 10%?)  And that it's *not* multiplayer so there's no sabotage involved?

[Quizmaster]

To clarify, "time-attacking" means we are racing to see who finishes the level first? (100% or 10%?)  And that it's *not* multiplayer so there's no sabotage involved?

Yes, it is *not* multiplayer. "Time-attacking" means racing to see who finishes the level first. Whether we aim for 10% or 100% is not specified.

[Quizmaster]

Round 13 is now closed, here are the results!

1. Which member (list) do you want to share your room with (you may NOT pick yourself here)?
Simon and geoo want to be roommates, and each get 0.5 points for that.
Simon is a popular choice though, being preferred roommate to geoo, Rubix and ccexplore. Akseli was popular too, being picked by Steve and Gronkling. Akseli wants to be with Rubix and Clam with ccexplore, both get 0.5 points for not having to battle with anyone else for the roommate, as does Simon for being the only one to pick geoo.

2. Do you sing under the shower?
Everyone of us does, except for Steve. Steve gets 1/7 point, everyone else 1 point.
Steve is also the only one whose roommate doesn't share his singing preference, thus the only one not getting 0.5 points for this.

3. Who is the best quizmaster of the past?
5 geoo - 1 point
2 Simon - 0.4 points
1 Clam - 0.2 points

changing from honest answer to "geoo" for feud purposes

4. What's the most useful skill in Lemmings 1?
5 miner - 1 point
3 builder - 0.6 points
ccexplore did the smart thing and changed his pick from builder to miner.
Steve genuinely prefers the miner over the builder (admittedly, it is really nice), not just for strategery with the next question.

5. Name a member (list) who did not pick "builder" in question 4. You may pick yourself.
Everyone who went for miner in Q4 got the 0.5 points.
Akseli picks (correctly) Steve, but Clam and Gronkling, having answered builder in Q4, pick each other and get nothing.

6. You're all time-attacking Just Dig simultaneously, a competitive battle to the death, for fame and glory. But you've somehow managed to run out of diggers without getting to the exit. Apart from diggers, which skill do you wish you had available now?
4 builders - 1 point
3 miners - 3/4 points
1 bombers - 1/4 point

Builders make a bit of sense here:

Even without any clarifications, I'm really hard-pressed to come up with a realistic case where Fun 1 can't be completed aside from an errand digger at the lower half, before the exit.  I'll laugh if "miners" actually end up being the popular answer. 

because logically you must now be digging through the floor. I'm hoping logic actually applies here 

But Steve has the best explanation:

SPEED MINING GOGOGOGO

7. Name a word that begins with "ham" that is not "ham".
4 hamster
4 hamburger
Everyone gets a point.

8. Pizza

	Toppings ordered	Dislikes
Clam	beef, anchovies, banana	salami, mushrooms, olives
Simon	banana, beef, pineapple	pepperoni, leek, salami
ccexplore	eggplant, mushrooms, banana	beef, salami, olives
Rubix	pepperoni, spam, pineapple	anchovies, eggplant, leek
geoo	banana, beef, leek	mushrooms, spam, salami
Gronkling	banana, eggplant, leek	salami, beef, spam
Akseli	leek, pineapple, olives	eggplant, beef, spam
Steve	mushrooms, beef, pineapple	pepperoni, anchovies, banana

Who gets a share from whose pizza, and how big of a share:

	Clam	Simon	ccexplore	Rubix	geoo	Gronkling	Akseli	Steve	portion
Clam's pizza	x	x			x				1/3
Simon's pizza	x	x		x	x				1/4
ccexplore's pizza		x	x			x			1/3
Rubix' pizza	x		x	x					1/3
geoo's pizza	x				x				1/2
Gronkling's pizza	x		x		x	x			1/4
Akseli's pizza					x	x	x	x	1/4
Steve's pizza		x		x				x	1/3
	1.67	1.25	0.92	0.92	1.58	0.83	0.25	0.58

Akseli is very picky when it comes to pizzas.

Useless stats:

Like:
5 Banana
4 Beef
4 Pineapple
3 Leek
2 Eggplant
2 Mushrooms
1 Extra Large Pepperoni
1 Black Olives
1 Spiced Ham
1 Anchovies
0 Italian Sausage (a.k.a. Salami)

Hate:
5 Italian Sausage (a.k.a. Salami)
3 Beef
3 Spiced Ham
2 Extra Large Pepperoni
2 Leek
2 Eggplant
2 Mushrooms
2 Black Olives
2 Anchovies
1 Banana
0 Pineapple

Pizza with banana seems to be very popular amongst us (that's why Steve only got so few shares, he seems to be the only one with a decent taste). But honestly, I've had pizza with banana once, it sucks:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43603680/Pizza-3.JPG - some banana
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43603680/Pizza-2.JPG - a truckload of banana
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43603680/Pizza-1.JPG - way too much banana

ccexplore initially had his pizza with banana, anchovies and pineapple, and commented:

with any luck, I'll be sharing this disgusting pizza with like-minded participants and get a lot less than the full point I'm hoping for. Don't be surprise if I change my answer multiple times......

I think the new pizza with eggplant, mushrooms and banana is only marginally better though.

EGGPLANT BANANA AND LEEK, TRULY THE TASTIEST PIZZA OF ALL. (but not really)

9. Under the shower, you hear someone singing "I'm a barbie girl". Who could that be? (You may pick yourself)
2 Simon - 1 point
2 geoo - 1 point
2 Rubix - 1 point
1 mobius - 1/2 point
1 ccexplore - 1/2 point

Notably, ccexplore initially picked Prob Lem before changing the pick to geoo.

10. Getting home
Simon, Gronkling and Steve decide to rent a car and get 0.4 points.
geoo takes a ride with Simon, Akseli takes a ride with Steve, 1 point.
ccexplore and Rubix want to take a ride with Clam, but Clam wants to take a ride with ccexplore. This obviously doesn't work, as neither of them has a car. 0 points. If ccexplore had chosen geoo instead, there would be a chain Simon - geoo - ccexplore - Clam - RubiX, and Simon's car would have exploded. Fortunately for everyone, that didn't happen, and everyone is still alive, not everyone is at home though.

a rental car that's going to *explode* (as stated in the question) on too many riders doesn't sound like a vehicle I ever want to get on!  I think I'll just call a taxi instead. 

Would have been the smarter choice.

After everyone has finally managed to get back home from somewhere in the midst of Nunavut, here are the final standings (Speadsheet with detailed results is attached.)!

1. geoo 9.83
2. Simon 9.65
3. ccexplore 7.92
4. Clam 7.67
5. Akseli 7.25
6. Rubix 7.17
7. Gronkling 6.58
8. Steve 5.58

See you at the next convention!

[ccexplore]

Wow, I totally underestimated popularity of beef.   Also surprised at unpopularity of salami.  For non-game purposes, a great pizza for me would probably be pepperoni, salami and mushrooms, while a disgusting pizza would probably be banana, pineapple and anchovies.

I definitely have trouble selecting my dislikes.  I figure there'd be honestly good pizzas and strategically bad pizzas so I don't want to dislike all those ingredients, but then I want to put some mediocre toppings (too bad beef ain't it) in hopes of deterring strategic people making disgusting pizza and thereby choosing only mediocre instead of truly bad toppings to dislike.  So I found myself not wanting to dislike anything!   I also have a pretty good feeling leek will show up as a topping since it actually got some discussion in IRC after the round with freezing vegetables.  And then there's "spiced ham", less liked and more disliked than anticipated--I have to admit I didn't recognize it as "spam" until geoo sneakily uses that in reporting the results, not sure if it'd change my answer much though (for reference, "spam" I would've considered in the same class as "banana", whereas "spiced ham" [which I thought was more like real ham] I thought more in the class of "mushroom").

Incidentally, for the car question, my real first choice is LemSteven as I imagine he'd answer conservatively and drive.  Sadly he didn't participate and Clam seemed to have thought the same greedy way I did.

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Oh and one more thing: I specifically picked Simon because I thought past IRC indicated that he'd sing in the shower (though I was only sure that showering is his hobby ).  In real life I probably won't sing in shower, but I also think the shower is probably the place where bad singing best belong in anyway (for the person who has to endure listening), as opposed to right out in the open with no sound-attenuating water noises, curtains, doors, walls etc.

[chaos_defrost]

I don't like pizza of any type period [except white pizza, but that wasn't a choice] so not at all surprised I failed hard that round 

[ccexplore]

Should also add that if I'm hungry enough, toppings are basically a non-issue with pizza for me, as they can be picked off as necessary and you'll end up with a mostly plain cheese pizza.

[mobius]

I don't like pizza of any type period [except white pizza, but that wasn't a choice] so not at all surprised I failed hard that round 

don't like pizza 
What's-a-matta-with ya? What's not to like? Ya gocha ya crispy flaky crust.. yummy tomato sauce of various kinds, all kinds of gooey melty cheese pick ya toppings, slice it up, fold it and shove it ya mouth, that's how ya do it--badda-bing badda-boom it's delicious it's extraordinary it's f***ing unbelievable.

[chaos_defrost]

yummy tomato sauce

There's your problem. Red tomato sauces of all types come right back up whenever I try to eat them. And I usually try to eat a slice of pizza once a year but no dice.

[Quizmaster]

NOTICE: some clarifications made on question 10.
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Come on down!

It’s time to for round 14 of the family feud. This round will be a break from the complicated questions.

rules.
1. Feedback on the quiz and suggestion is welcomed.
2. This quiz will be open for four days. This ending time is concrete and non-negotiable. When I post and say it’s over, you can’t enter after that. You’ll see why below.
3. There is an Easter egg in this quiz and the first participant to spot it will be given an extra 0.5 points.
4. Everybody have fun tonight, everybody wang chung tonight. [this is not the Easter egg]


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1-8 are standard popular questions.

1. Name a Pokémon

2. You recently had a big argument with your girlfriend. What do you buy her to help apologize and smooth things over?

3. What did the four wise men bring to baby Jesus as a present?

4. A Politician and a Lawyer are both drowning in a lake. You can only save one, what do you do?
a) take a nap
b) go see a movie

5. Who farted? [it must have been one of the participants… doesn’t matter if they didn’t actually join]

6. When you meet God at the Pearly Gates (in heaven), what will you ask him?

7. Who will do the most post-quiz analysis and commentary? [doesn’t matter if they didn’t actually join]

8. Who’s on first?
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9. How many people will enter this quiz? Try to guess correctly here. You’ll get 1 point for being right on the mark, 0.9 for being 1 away, 0.8 for 2… etc.

10. Let’s play point making game!

You can choose to  play one, two, three or a total of four times. You will sacrifice 0.5 points each time you play You can also completely skip this question and loose or gain nothing.

If you play; you have two options; A or B. You can select A or B for every time you play. The more popular pick gets 1.5 point, the less popular gets 0. If both options are picked equally you'll get 0. If you’re the only one to play “a fourth time” or “a third time”, you’ll get zero for that try.

example:

Rasputin decides to play four times. His answer looks like this:
A, B, B, A

He gets 1.5 point for the first try; A was popular. 0 for the second, B was not popular. 1.5 for the third because B was popular third time. 0 for the fourth because nobody else played over three times.

assuming he started with 0; Rasputin’s score here would be: 1.

11. Rat Race
You don’t have to enter anything for this question. Everybody who enters the quiz will automatically get at least a fraction of a point. Here’s how it works:
The first and last person to put their entry in will get 1 point. The second to first and last person will get a fraction of a point. The third first and last will get a smaller fraction. So the middle person or persons will get the smallest score here.
-Your entry will be counted on the very first time you enter. You may change your answers after that but it will not effect your 'entry number' for this question.
-The quizmaster will automatically get the lowest score for this question.

Example:
Harry enters first – 1
Larry second – 0.8
Garry – 0.6
Carry – 0.4
Sally – 0.4
Holly – 0.6
David – 0.8
Rasputin (last) – 1
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NOTICE: some clarifications made on question 10.

[ccexplore]

8. Who’s on first?

On what? Not quite getting the question, unless the ambiguity is part of the point of this question?

[Quizmaster]

8. Who’s on first?

On what? Not quite getting the question, unless the ambiguity is part of the point of this question?

no, what's on second.

[Simon]

Probably everyone should get the same level of background information.

[01:31:11]     <geoo> Who's on first, means who will win?
[01:31:36]    <mobius__> naw... maybe you should consult wikipedia
[...]
[02:20:45]    <SimonN> sent answers for quiz Is there a detailed meaning for "who's on first", or sohuld I just enter whatever comes to mind?
[02:25:00]    <geoo> SimonN: <mobius__> naw... maybe you should consult wikipedia

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

I have to say, I would rather not have Wikipedia lookups turn into a regular feature in family feud.  

As an aside, mobius, with question 11 don't be surprised with a seemingly low number of submissions until last minute, for obvious reasons. Also, I'd hope your "4 days" are truly 4 full 24-hour days precise to the hour (if not minutes), and not merely "ending some random time during the 4th day", unless you want to run it that way.

[Quizmaster]

I have to say, I would rather not have Wikipedia lookups turn into a regular feature in family feud.  

As an aside, mobius, with question 11 don't be surprised with a seemingly low number of submissions until last minute, for obvious reasons. Also, I'd hope your "4 days" are truly 4 full 24-hour days precise to the hour (if not minutes), and not merely "ending some random time during the 4th day", unless you want to run it that way.

In my defense, this is not a hard question. (this and the other one from my previous quiz). I'm surprised there's really that many people here that neverheard of two of the most famous/popular movies or routines of all time. Nevermind what country your from, these are well known everywhere. I don't watch a lot of TV or movies often. If you watch TV or the use the internet at all you've likley heard reference to this sort of thing. It's not like I picked something really obscure like some B movie from the 1950's.

I don't see what's so hard about looking into Wikipedia if a questions seems suspicious to you. I've done it already. You yourself told me you used Wikipedia for a 'regular question' of mine. And it's only one questions out of 10.

But since everybody hates it so much--I won't make one again, if I even do another quiz.

EDIT: well now the whole thing is pretty much screwed up so I might have to end up throwing this whole questions out of the results altogether....

and yeah, I'm well aware of how the game will work, I didn't just make up questions without thinking about them at all.
I'll be posting a heads up when the quiz will end in a few hours or so.
I thought of trying something a little different. Rather then having the same type of questions every round.

Remember this is just a game; for fun ya know? 

[ccexplore]

It's not an issue of making the question harder, it's more that I think it's more fun when questions can be answered without the extra chore of looking up stuff in Wikipedia.  Although I have to admit answering "girlfriend" for that GhostBusters question is kinda funny. Anyway, it doesn't really bother me all that much, hence not  " title="Angry" class="smiley" />.

Hollywood movies, especially contemporary ones, do have a pretty global audience.  Less sure about US TV shows especially old ones.  Probably reasonably well known amongst English-primary-language places like Great Britain, Canada, maybe Australia; less sure in other places.

Anyway, you don't have to take the question out, I think enough has been said here about this particular question, so people will work out what to do.  Just expect more "blank stares" reaction in the future with these types of questions (after all, for someone who doesn't get the reference the quote may not even seem like a quote at all).

and yeah, I'm well aware of how the game will work, I didn't just make up questions without thinking about them at all.
I'll be posting a heads up when the quiz will end in a few hours or so.
I thought of trying something a little different. Rather then having the same type of questions every round.

No worries,  I just want to make sure I do get the full 4 days promised given the strategies involved here.

[Quizmaster]

well the problem is (as you saw) people in IRC asked me about the question and I gave hints. So now they have the advantage over everyone else. I should've just kept my mouth shut.
Thinking more on it now, It would've been better for me to say nothing and get a lot of funny answers... oh well. I won't give hints in the future.
To be honest I don't really have any more 'quotation questions' anyway.

But what I would like to do is create some questions where they really is a good chance of getting a lot of answers instead of just one or two.

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As for the timing of the 'race'; since every post has the exact time you posted, I'll be ending it at that time on Thursday.

note: It may be best to keep in mind internet connection problem and/or anything that might delay your PM reaching me in time. Therefore if may not be wise to hold out to the vary, vary last second. As I won't except late entries!

[Quizmaster]

The quiz will end today at 0:20 Quizmaster Time, or 6:20 mobius time.[on the dot, I don’t care about seconds]
(If you're confused just look at the time when the quiz was posted in your own time--that's what time it ends). Regardless if the answers don't get posted right then (they won't for obvious reasons).

Be sure to submit before then!

[Quizmaster]

Round 14 is now closed and the results are in…….
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8 people entered this round.

The easter egg was in question 3; there were only 3 wise men not 4. geoo spotted this first and gets the 0.5 point. Almost everyone else did spot it, apparently knowing their bible; Jesus gives you a +1. ...the quizmaster does not.
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1. Name a Pokémon
Pikachu-all, 1 point—everybody!

too easy, says the Legionnaire of games, you don’t even have to play Pokemon to get this right. There may be a follow-up to this question in a later game……..


2. You recently had a big argument with your girlfriend. What do you buy her to help apologize and smooth things over?
chocolate- 4 – 1 point
flowers- 4 (ccexplore’s answer: “roses” adapted)- 1 point

other answers- diamonds, leek, broom, [a feminine pleasure device]

We have a tie between flowers and chocolate. Perhaps the quizmaster should’ve mentioned the reason for the argument was you told her she was fat…………
the leek or broom would surely worsen matters and geoos says the feminine pleasure device would be more suitable as a parting gift. Regardless so far everybody’s even with 2 points.


3. What did the four wise men bring to baby Jesus as a present?
Gold-7 – 1 point
Vuvuzela- 1 – 0.14 point

other answers: leek, play station 2

Jesus gets a lot of gold, but really, didn't Jesus preach that money is not the answer?


4. A Politician and a Lawyer are both drowning in a lake. You can only save one, what do you do?
a) take a nap- 6 – 1 point
b) go see a movie- 2 – 0.3 point

Only two people went to the movies, everybody else was either bored or tired.
In case anybody cares, the lawyer drowned. The politician is fine (politicians can’t drown since they aren’t human beings).


5. Who farted? [it must have been one of the participants… doesn’t matter if they didn’t actually join]
geoo- 3 -1 point
Simon- 2 – 0.6 point
ccexplore- 1 – 0.3 point
mobius- 2 – 0.6 point

consensus says it was geoo. However there seems to be a lot of confusion so he has some backing to deny it. However: whoever denied it supplied it.
Maybe it was all the crazy food from previous rounds. Or maybe it wasn’t a fart at all but spoiled leek…


6. When you meet God at the Pearly Gates (in heaven), what will you ask him?
who’s on first?-1
what’s up?-1
what’s the meaning of life-1
Who really killed JFK?-1
Do you have an internet connection?-1
Who are you?-1
nothing. It’s heaven, I can do all the things I love to do, and talking to God’s pretty low on the list. – 1
Can You microwave a burrito so hot that not even You can eat it? -1

other answers- why did the chicken cross the road?, What is your favourite colour?, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Only Gronkling picked a “smart” question. Most seemed to take a comical stance on this one …Jesus takes back the point he gave you. And ccexplore even managed to offend God on this question! Ouch.


7. Who will do the most post-quiz analysis and commentary? [doesn’t matter if they didn’t actually join]
ccexplore- 8 – 1 point.

The quizmaster will let comments on this question up to post-quiz analysis and commentary.


8. Who’s on first?
Who- 6 – 1 point.
geoo- 1 -0.17 point
Abbot? – 0.17 point

Technically, the correct answer to this question is “who” or “yes, that’s correct” if not taken as a question, as it doesn’t have to be. All the names of the players on the baseball team can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmvkO5x6Ng

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9. How many people will enter this quiz? Try to guess correctly here. You’ll get 1 point for being right on the mark, 0.9 for being 1 away, 0.8 for 2… etc.

Clam Spammer- 8 – 1 point
Simon- 8 - 1 point
ccexplore- 7 – 0.9 point
Gronkling- 8 - 1 point
geoo- 8-1 point
mobius- 8-1 point
Akseli- 8-1 point
Insane Steve -9 -0.9 point

only two people were off by 1.


10. Let’s play point making game!

Clam Spammer- AAAA
Simon- ABBA
ccexplore- A
Gronkling- didn’t play
geoo- ABBA
mobius- BA
Akseli- ABBA
Insane Steve –AAAA

making everybody’s score:

Clam Spammer- 0
Simon- 1
ccexplore- 1
geoo- 1
mobius-  -1
Gronkling- 0
Akseli- 1
InsaneSteve- 0

Interesting results, considering 1 person only played once and got the same score as those who played four times.


11. time entered: (in order from first to last)
mobius (qz) – 0.4
geoo- 1
Simon- 0.8
Gronkling -0.6
Clam Spammer- 0.4
Akseli- 0.6
Insane Steve- 0.8
ccexplore- 1

I must note that ccexplore entered exactly 1 minute after Insane Steve.

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final results:


geoo -11.5
Simon- 10.8
Akseli- 10.27
Insane Steve- 9.7
Clam Spammer- 9.07
ccexplore- 9.07
Gronkling- 7.77
mobius- 6.88


two people were tied with the same points! The quizmaster is very angry now and wants no one to talk to him… for a long time.

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the winner of this round is:

….some say he can weld steel just by touching his finger to the metal
..and that Satan himself runs away in freight at the sight of him.
All we know is: he’s called geoo.

[ccexplore]

10. Let’s play point making game!

Clam Spammer- AAAA
Simon- ABBA
ccexplore- A
Gronkling- didn’t play
geoo- ABBA
mobius- BA
Akseli- ABBA
Insane Steve –AAAA

making everybody’s score:

Clam Spammer- 0
Simon- 1
ccexplore- 1
geoo- 1
mobius-  -1
Gronkling- 0
Akseli- 1
InsaneSteve- 0

Hmm, I'm not getting the results you reported even after trying to interpret the rules a number of different ways.

Based on my understanding, since you always get a -0.5 for each letter you played, the 1.5 vs 0 you'll get for that letter effectively sums to gaining either +1 or -0.5 for the letter.

A was popular 1st time (only B from mobius), so +1 A, -.5 B
A and B were equally popular 2nd time (3 ABBAs, 2 stopped, the remaining 3 have As for 2nd letter), so -.5 A, -.5 B
B was popular 3rd time (3 ABBAs vs 2 AAAAs), so -.5 A, +1 B
A was popular 4th time (no one picked B, and there is still more than one person), so +1 A, -.5 B (which affects no one)

So AAAA = +1 -.5 -.5 +1 = 1
ABBA = +1 -.5 +1 +1 = 2.5
BA = -.5 -.5 = -1
A = +1 = 1

Let's say 4th time no one gets anything because it was unanimous (even though the rules only say 0 points about one person left playing, and not one unanimous answer at play), then AAAA does become 0, but ABBA is then still 1.5 and not 1.

Let's instead say you mean to say getting 1 point and not 1.5 (even though your example is completely consistent with 1.5 and not consistent at all with 1).  That almost works (AAAA gets 0, ABBA gets 1, BA gets -1) but A should then get just .5

Perhaps a typo in your spreadsheet? I don't know because it looks like you attached round 13's spreadsheet instead.

On the plus side there may be no tie anymore after correcting the scores.   [edit: I did a quick recalc, and to no one's surprise, assuming other questions are scored correctly and the original totals are correct except for this one question, the score correction does not change anyone's ranking.  The tie is broken with Clam ahead of me, just like in the list right now.]

[Clam]

Q3: Gold was the first gift, and no one can spell "frankincense" or "myrrh". Easy one

Q6: I'm impressed at the spread of answers. I guess most people considerd it too open to even attempt to hit a common answer and sent in a joke instead. Seems I'm the only one who wants to haunt the internet from beyond the grave (admittedly some jokes had a chance of getting picked twice, unlike mine)

#11 (not Q11, since it wasn't a question): I did mention I'd "complain loudly" about this, but that would be against the spirit of a family fun game like this. I'll just say it's unfair, for reasons that should be obvious, and leave it at that.

[chaos_defrost]

Wait, why did I get 0 for #10? A is more popular than B, both in general and when I entered given the answers. How did you score #10?

Also I may or may not have a quiz ready reasonably soon. (edit: yea just about done, so if you want I can run the next)

[mobius]

CRAP----- What i did was... I was making a chart listing all the points earned and wrote "1" for winning instead of 1.5. 

@Steve: your score should be 1, not 0. sorry

[I seem to be good at making questions that have little to-no impact on the score what-so-ever    ]

And I agree that the eater egg was too easy, but I was afraid of making a tough one that no-one might get. Plus, since I'm not religious at all, the idea that the "3 wismen story" is extremely well known didn't occur to me. I love old comedy routines but don't love the bible what can I say... 

(I didn't use the spreadsheet except for the top section, too lazy) yeah I know that's really lazy )

probably nobody noticed or cared but that question was based off the whole "Let's play money making game!" from the first Zelda game.

should I mention the password on the chat or.....

[chaos_defrost]

Ah, I see.

Also, I just realised that I'm on my netbook and the quiz with all the questions is on my laptop which I won't be on until Sunday. If someone wants to run a round between this I can send the password.

[Proxima]

there were only 3 wise men not 4. geoo spotted this first and gets the 0.5 point. Almost everyone else did spot it, apparently knowing their bible; Jesus gives you a +1.

Actually, the bible never says how many wise men there were. The number three became attached to the legend because there were three gifts.

chocolate- 4 – 1 point
flowers- 4 (ccexplore’s answer: “roses” adapted)- 1 point

Roses are also a popular variety of chocolate. Sounds like ccx was hedging his bets

[mobius]

there were only 3 wise men not 4. geoo spotted this first and gets the 0.5 point. Almost everyone else did spot it, apparently knowing their bible; Jesus gives you a +1.

Actually, the bible never says how many wise men there were. The number three became attached to the legend because there were three gifts.

that would've made a MUCH BETTER easter egg.  Proxima gets +10.

[geoo]

Ah, I see.

Also, I just realised that I'm on my netbook and the quiz with all the questions is on my laptop which I won't be on until Sunday. If someone wants to run a round between this I can send the password.

Looks like the new quizmaster is partying so hard that he is in no state to post the new feud.

Happy birthday, Steve! Don't drink and drive (am I a legend now?).

[Quizmaster]

Family Feud Round 15 - Special Birthday PARTY HARD WOOOOOOO EDITION

1) What is the worst level of Lemmings 1?

2) Name a tribe from Lemmings 2.

3) Who on the forums is the best Lemmings player?

4) You're at a restaurant. What do you order to drink?

5) Did you eat breakfast today?

6) Name any food (I'm a bit hungry if you can't tell).

7) What number birthday is the best one?

--

8) Puzzle tiiiiiiiime. Each of you have the ability to fill in 100 pieces into a jigsaw puzzle per hour, and you all have an hour to kill. There is a 100, 200, 300, 400 and 500 piece puzzle. Pick a puzzle. If you have enough people to finish in the hour, you feel a great sense of accomplishment, but that diminishes somewhat if you have too many people working on it. Your score is equal to the number of pieces you individually filled into the puzzle (so, (n/100)/number of people working, where n is the number of pieces in the puzzle). If you don't finish within the hour, you get frustrated and flip the table over. Also, you don't get any points.

9) There is another cave with possible treasure to explore! Yay! This one only has four branches, also. You hear that there might be dragons in the cave, though, so you hope to stick together as much as possible before reaching the possible treasure. At every turn, score .05 points * the number of people still with you. There aren't actually any dragons, though, and there is treasure -- in every single branch, in fact! The problem is that if you get to the end with someone else, you'll fight over how to divide the treasure and an imp will steal it all before you can get any. If you're alone, well, you don't have that problem. Score an additional .5 points if you are alone at the end of the cave.



10) Insane Steve's House For the Situationally Disadvantaged, which is far and away better than every one of those soup kitchens out there that refer to their patrons as bums behind their backs, is offering food today. One-armed Jack (see, we even HIRE the situationally disadvantaged, too!) makes the soup with love and care, but he can only make .15 li^H^H quarts (almost forgot I was American there) of soup a hour (you try making soup with one arm). Pick a time to come in and get soup -- you get whatever soup has been made at that time, and one point per quart of soup. You split the soup if you pick the same time as someone else.

Alternatively, because we're even more awesome than soup kitchens, you can get a delicious salisbury steak instead of your soup. The problem being that we're currently having a bit of a row with our suppliers about matters that do not concern you and only get three steaks a day -- at midnight, 8:00, and 16:00. If you come for a steak at the same time as someone else, you'll have to share it. Score 1 point divided by the number of people who show up for a steak as you. You may only choose one of either soup or steak, though, and may only pick one time of the day to come in. Insane Steve's House For the Situationally Disadvantaged is a non-profit organization and is not made of money.

11) Time paradox! Guess how many people will finish ahead of you, as of scoring by this question. Score 1 point if correct, .8 points if off by 1, .6 if off by 2, etc. You cannot score negative points for this question. If the scores are close enough, you will create a TIME PARADOX. Time paradoxes are awesome. Gain an additional .5 points if your overall rank improved as a result of this question for each rank you improve. If this bonus causes another time paradox, score another .5 points, etc., until a stable time loop is reached.

[chaos_defrost]

Sorry about being gone, I've been a bit busy recently. I'll reveal round 15 tonight (that is, in a few hours, one I've gotten everything for the puzzle contest I'm starting today up).

[mobius]

Sorry about being gone, I've been a bit busy recently. I'll reveal round 15 tonight (that is, in a few hours, one I've gotten everything for the puzzle contest I'm starting today up).

aw, a puzzle contest, how come you didn't tell us about it? (maybe you did in chat but I wasn't around...) can you give some links or something?

and happy new year everybody

[chaos_defrost]

Sorry about being gone, I've been a bit busy recently. I'll reveal round 15 tonight (that is, in a few hours, one I've gotten everything for the puzzle contest I'm starting today up).

aw, a puzzle contest, how come you didn't tell us about it? (maybe you did in chat but I wasn't around...) can you give some links or something?

and happy new year everybody

http://ispuzzlecontest4.proboards.com/index.cgi

It's for a game that I play, and there's in-game prizes for the top performers. You're welcome to play along if you'd like.

[Quizmaster]

Alright, the way too long awaited reveal! 7 entrants this time, may make scoring a bit interesting.

1) What is the worst level of Lemmings 1?

1 point: Hunt the Nessy (Insane Steve, Akseli, geoo, ccexplore)
3/4 point: We All Fall Down (Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius)

A nice split here. Simon was the only one to explicitly list a difficulty of WAFD but I just lumped them all together.

2) Name a tribe from Lemmings 2.

Classic: 1 point (Insane Steve, Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius, geoo, ccexplore)
Beach: 1/6 point (Akseli)

A near consensus here.

3) Who on the forums is the best Lemmings player?

1 point: ccexplore (Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius, geoo, ccexplore)
2/5 point: geoo (Insane Steve, Akseli)

möbius said that it was actually a tie between these two, but wisely listed ccexplore as his official answer.

4) You're at a restaurant. What do you order to drink?

1 point: soda (Insane Steve, Simon, möbius)
2/3 point: water (Akseli, geoo)
1/3 point: beer (ccexplore)
1/3 point: Diet Lemmingaid (Clam Spammer) 

I was a bit generous here -- I grouped Simon's "coke" with soda. There are people in the US who will call any kind of soda a Coke. Even non-cola soda. This bothers me a lot more than it should.

5) Did you eat breakfast today?

1 point: Yes (Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius, Akseli, ccexplore ["but only for Feud purposes"])
2/5 point: No (Insane Steve, geoo)

möbius makes another wise decision and changes his answer to this one. You people really need to try the university "get up at 1 and don't eat breakfast" thing, it's pretty awesome.

6) Name any food (I'm a bit hungry if you can't tell).

1 point: Pizza (Insane Steve, Clam Spammer, möbius, Akseli, geoo, ccexplore)
1/6 point: Steak (Simon)

You have no idea how ostracised I feel sometimes for being a freak who doesn't like pizza 

7) What number birthday is the best one?

1 point: 21st (Insane Steve, Clam Spammer, möbius, geoo, ccexplore)
1/5 point: 50th (Simon)
1/5th point: 20th (Akseli)

YEA DRINKING

boo USA's ridiculously high legal drinking age

once again möbius make a wise last second switch here

Puzzle tiiiiiiiime. Each of you have the ability to fill in 100 pieces into a jigsaw puzzle per hour, and you all have an hour to kill. There is a 100, 200, 300, 400 and 500 piece puzzle. Pick a puzzle. If you have enough people to finish in the hour, you feel a great sense of accomplishment, but that diminishes somewhat if you have too many people working on it. Your score is equal to the number of pieces you individually filled into the puzzle (so, (n/100)/number of people working, where n is the number of pieces in the puzzle). If you don't finish within the hour, you get frustrated and flip the table over. Also, you don't get any points.

100 piece (1 point): möbius
200 piece (1 point): geoo, ccexplore
300 piece (3/4 points): Insane Steve, Simon, Clam Spammer ("because THIS IS (a jigsaw of) SPARTAAAA!"), Akseli

Everyone finishes their puzzles with relatively good efficiency, and the poor janitor of the puzzle piece room gets a day off from cleaning the broken dreams of jilted puzzlers from the ground.

möbius switched off of 500 to 100. Are you a wizard?

9) There is another cave with possible treasure to explore! Yay! This one only has four branches, also. You hear that there might be dragons in the cave, though, so you hope to stick together as much as possible before reaching the possible treasure. At every turn, score .05 points * the number of people still with you. There aren't actually any dragons, though, and there is treasure -- in every single branch, in fact! The problem is that if you get to the end with someone else, you'll fight over how to divide the treasure and an imp will steal it all before you can get any. If you're alone, well, you don't have that problem. Score an additional .5 points if you are alone at the end of the cave.

Insane Steve: RRRR (Against my best instincts, since SAS wasn't available for dragon frequency analysis)
Simon: LLRR
Clam Spammer: RRLL
möbius: LLLR
Akseli: LLLL
geoo: LLLL
ccexplore: RLRR



Insane Steve: .3 + .1 + .05 + 0 + .5 = .95
Simon: .3 + .15 + .15 + 0 + .5 = 1.1
Clam Spammer: .3 + .1 + .05 + 0 + .5 = .95
möbius: .3 + .15 + .15 + .1 + .5 = 1.2
Akseli: .3 + .15 + .15 + .1 + 0 = .7
geoo: .3 + .15 + .15 + .1 + 0 = .7
ccexplore: .3 + .1 + 0 + 0 + .5 = .9

möbius changes his answer again from something to the best possible answer. Everyone leaves with treasure except geoo and Akseli who have both been taking their advice from Lemmings level titles a bit literally. Turns out that I was mistaken and there actually were dragons in the cave, but fortunately we all avoided them.

10) Insane Steve's House For the Situationally Disadvantaged, which is far and away better than every one of those soup kitchens out there that refer to their patrons as bums behind their backs, is offering food today. One-armed Jack (see, we even HIRE the situationally disadvantaged, too!) makes the soup with love and care, but he can only make .15 li^H^H quarts (almost forgot I was American there) of soup a hour (you try making soup with one arm). Pick a time to come in and get soup -- you get whatever soup has been made at that time, and one point per quart of soup. You split the soup if you pick the same time as someone else.

Alternatively, because we're even more awesome than soup kitchens, you can get a delicious salisbury steak instead of your soup. The problem being that we're currently having a bit of a row with our suppliers about matters that do not concern you and only get three steaks a day -- at midnight, 8:00, and 16:00. If you come for a steak at the same time as someone else, you'll have to share it. Score 1 point divided by the number of people who show up for a steak as you. You may only choose one of either soup or steak, though, and may only pick one time of the day to come in. Insane Steve's House For the Situationally Disadvantaged is a non-profit organization and is not made of money.

Akseli: steak at 8:00 (1 point)
möbius: steak at 8:23 (0 points, Akseli already ate the steak at 8:00 and the midnight steak went bad)
Insane Steve: steak at 16:00 (1 point)

ccexplore: soup at 5:57 (.8925 point)
Simon: soup at 19:20 (2.0075 points)
geoo: soup at 22:54 (.535 points)
Clam Spammer: soup at 23:45 (.1275 points)

möbius a bit confused at when the steaks arrive and misses his chance to get one. Simon hogs almost all of the soup, leaving not very much for the latecomers.

11) Time paradox! Guess how many people will finish ahead of you, as of scoring by this question. Score 1 point if correct, .8 points if off by 1, .6 if off by 2, etc. You cannot score negative points for this question. If the scores are close enough, you will create a TIME PARADOX. Time paradoxes are awesome. Gain an additional .5 points if your overall rank improved as a result of this question for each rank you improve. If this bonus causes another time paradox, score another .5 points, etc., until a stable time loop is reached.

ccexplore: 9.1258 points
Simon: 8.9742 points
möbius: 8.95 points
Insane Steve: 8.5 points
geoo: 8.3017 points
Clam Spammer: 7.9108 points
Akseli: 6.8833 points

Some close scores at the top, let's see if a TIME PARADOX is reached:

Insane Steve: 3 (1 point)
Simon: 2 ( .8 point)
Clam Spammer: 4 (.8 point)
möbius: 2 (1 point)
Akseli: 3 (.4 points)
geoo: 2 (.6 points)
ccexplore: 3 (.4 points)

Adding up the scores:

möbius: 9.95 + 1 = 10.95 points
Simon: 9.7242 points
ccexplore: 9.5258 points
Insane Steve: 9.5 points
geoo: 8.9017 points
Clam Spammer: 8.7108 points
Akseli: 7.2833 points

möbius successfully TIME PARADOXES his way to the top of the leaderboard, and picks up some extra style points for good measure.

Thanks for playing everyone!

[Simon]

Rrrrrr! You pizza-centerd guys didn't want to name the tasty steak from the bum shop?

2nd place still very good, congrats to möbius for doing really great on this one, and thanks to the host!

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

möbius switched off of 500 to 100. Are you a wizard?

I heard from IRC that at some point when mobius got tired of waiting for scoring, he peeked at the answers since the password to the Quizmaster account hadn't been changed.  But I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything...I think......

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to Holiday Feud round 16! Yes, it's still christmas time. Well, it was when I wrote the questions and expected to post them, anyway. Just pretend it's christmas day when you answer, okay?

Questions 1-6 are common answer questions. Questions 7-9 technically aren't questions because they don't contain question marks. They are still worth points though.


1. Name a colour associated with Christmas.

2. Name a country where you might celebrate Christmas South of the Equator.


3. Sadly, nothing lasts forever. Including Christmas. And Family Feud. How many more rounds of Family Feud will there be after this round?

4. Family Feud rounds used to run for 3 days, but the last few rounds have gone on longer, up to 17 days in some cases *cough*. Clearly this isn't ideal. But writing and scoring a round every 3 days is hard to keep up. So, for the long term, how many days should each round last for?

5. Family ____! Name a two-word phrase that includes the word "family". You may not pick "family feud", for obvious reasons. (Obviously.)

6. Name a word that starts with the letters "clam" that isn't "clam".


7. A new soup kitchen has opened in bumsville, but there's a problem: there are no volunteers! Some of you bums will have to help out by serving the other bums. The kitchen is open from midnight 00:00 to midnight 24:00. You may choose any time of day (to the minute) to arrive, and you may choose to either collect soup or volunteer to serve soup.

Volunteers: You stay at the soup kitchen until another volunteer arrives and throws you out (you're still bums, remember ), up to a maximum of 6 hours (because you bums don't know what it's like to put in a full day's work). You gain 0.5 points for each hungry bum you serve.

Hungry bums: You stay at the soup kitchen until another hungry bum arrives and throws you out. As long as you and a volunteer are present, you get soup at a constant rate of 0.15 litres per hour. As usual, 1 litre = 1 point.

Also, in case you're wondering why there are so many soup kitchens around here:

[09:57:18]   <Clam_Spammer> it turns out every building in bum town is a bum shelter with food
[09:57:25]   <Porcupine> except the cave
[09:57:37]   <Clam_Spammer> lots of edible bats in the cave
[09:57:45]   <Porcupine> And the hardware store where you go buy buckets and ladles
[10:01:42]   <Clam_Spammer> and the rock-paper-scissors dojo
[10:03:17]   <Clam_Spammer> the cave entrance is a hidden passage out the back of the bum shelter

8. It's time for the happy feuding family to gather around the Christmas tree and open the presents! You can choose to give a present and receive some in return, be a humbug who doesn't give or receive presents, or be a grinch who tries to steal presents.

• If you give a present, you and the other givers gain an equal share of presents under the tree, after the grinches take theirs. Score 1 point per present you receive. The presents consist of highly shareable candies, so fractions are allowed.
  
• If you choose to be a humbug, you don't receive any presents. However, because you aren't distracted by the carol-singers at the door (which of course is a cunning diversion), you can attempt to catch the grinches who try to steal presents. If there are more grinches than humbugs, then you are overwhelmed and the grinches get away with their loot. Otherwise, you catch the grinches, scoring 1 point per grinch, shared among humbugs.
  
• If you choose to be a grinch, you steal one present if you aren't caught by the humbugs (see above). If there are more grinches than presents, you'll have to share the spoils. Score 1 point per present you end up with.
   

9. Christmas is over! Yes, already. Actually, when it ends is up to you! You put up your festive decorations back in Round 8, and now you have to decide when to take them down. Choose a day between Boxing Day (December 26) and January 31 to un-deck the halls. That's 37 dates to choose from.

• If you're first (or equal first), everyone will scorn you for your lack of holiday spirit, and you score zero.
• If you're last (or equal last), everyone will criticise your laziness, and you score zero.
• If you pick the same day as someone else, you'll be Completely Unoriginal and score 1 point divided by the number of people who undecorate on that day.
• If you survived all that holiday madness unscathed, then congratulations! You score 1 point.

Wrap up your answers and put them in the Quizmaster's christmas stocking (aka. PM folder)!

[Quizmaster]

Time paradox! Somehow we've run into a time warp which has reset the answers to round 15 back to before möbius changed any of them. Let us re-score:

1) What is the worst level of Lemmings 1?

1 point: Hunt the Nessy (Insane Steve, Akseli, geoo, ccexplore)
3/4 point: We All Fall Down (Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius)

2) Name a tribe from Lemmings 2.

Classic: 1 point (Insane Steve, Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius, geoo, ccexplore)
Beach: 1/6 point (Akseli)

3) Who on the forums is the best Lemmings player?

1 point: ccexplore (Simon, Clam Spammer, möbius, geoo, ccexplore)
2/5 point: geoo (Insane Steve, Akseli)

4) You're at a restaurant. What do you order to drink?

1 point: soda (Insane Steve, Simon, möbius)
2/3 point: water (Akseli, geoo)
1/3 point: beer (ccexplore)
1/3 point: Diet Lemmingaid (Clam Spammer)

5) Did you eat breakfast today?

1 point: Yes (Simon, Clam Spammer, Akseli, ccexplore ["but only for Feud purposes"])
3/4 point: No (Insane Steve, geoo,  möbius)

6) Name any food (I'm a bit hungry if you can't tell).

1 point: Pizza (Insane Steve, Clam Spammer, möbius, Akseli, geoo, ccexplore)
1/6 point: Steak (Simon)

7) What number birthday is the best one?

1 point: 21st (Insane Steve, Clam Spammer, geoo, ccexplore)
1/4 point: 50th (Simon)
1/4 point: 20th (Akseli)
1/4 point: 18th (möbius)



200 piece (1 point): geoo, ccexplore
300 piece (3/4 points): Insane Steve, Simon, Clam Spammer ("because THIS IS (a jigsaw of) SPARTAAAA!"), Akseli
500 piece (0 points): möbius

Unfortunately for the janitor, this time paradox means he has to come in for work today on late notice. 

9)

Insane Steve: RRRR
Simon: LLRR
Clam Spammer: RRLL
möbius: RLLR
Akseli: LLLL
geoo: LLLL
ccexplore: RLRR

Insane Steve: .3 + .15 + .05 + 0 + .5 = 1
Simon: .3 + .1 + .1 + 0 + .5 = 1
Clam Spammer: .3 + .15 + .05 + 0 + .5 = 1
möbius: .3 + .15 + .05 + 0 + .5 = 1
Akseli: .3 + .1 + .1 + .1 + 0 = .6
geoo: .3 + .1 + .1 + .1 + 0 = .6
ccexplore: .3 + .15 + .05 + 0 + .5 = 1

The scores for this one become disappointingly very similar for everyone who got treasure. The dragons still go hungry, too

10)

Akseli: steak at 8:00 (1 point)
möbius: steak at 8:23 (0 points, Akseli already ate the steak at 8:00 and the midnight steak went bad)
Insane Steve: steak at 16:00 (1 point)

ccexplore: soup at 5:57 (.8925 point)
Simon: soup at 19:20 (2.0075 points)
geoo: soup at 22:54 (.535 points)
Clam Spammer: soup at 23:45 (.1275 points)

11)

ccexplore: 9.2258
Simon: 8.9242
Insane Steve: 8.9
geoo: 8.5517
Clam Spammer: 7.9608
Akseli: 6.8333
möbius: 6.75

Insane Steve: 3 (.8 point)
Simon: 2 (.8 point)
Clam Spammer: 4 (1 point)
möbius: 5 (.8 point)
Akseli: 3 (.6 points)
geoo: 2 (.8 points)
ccexplore: 3 (.4 points)

Simon: 9.7242 + .5 = 10.2242
Insane Steve: 9.7 + .5 = 10.2
ccexplore: 9.6258
geoo: 9.3517
Clam Spammer: 8.9608
möbius: 7.55 + .5 = 8.05
Akseli: 7.4333

And with that, Simon becomes the Time paradox champion. Again. Woooooo time paradox

[ccexplore]

up to a maximum of 6 hours (because you bums don't know what it's like to put in a full day's work).

Funny considering that in most workplaces a "full day's of work" is 8 hours (possibly less if they exclude your lunch hour for pay purposes), not all that far off from the 6......

Also, I just noticed question 7 didn't specify how to break ties (ie. two or more volunteers/bums arriving simultaneously).

[Quizmaster]

Well, if I was expecting more players, it could have been 3 or 4 hours and there'd still be a good chance of covering most of the 24 hours. Or it could just open for half the day only (now there's an idea, too bad I can't change it now...) In the meantime, just know that you're not working truly full-time and are therefore slightly lazy.


As for ties, how about we share the points like before:

• If multiple volunteers show up at the same time, they serve together until another volunteer throws them out, and share the points equally (0.5/n per bum served).
• If multiple hungry bums show up at the same time, they get served together until another hungry bum throws them out, and share the points equally (0.15/n per hour in the presence of a volunteer).

In the above cases, you could consider the outcome as the average of (i) bum A showing up slightly later and getting all the points, (ii) bum B showing up slightly later and getting all the points, etc. if 3 or more are tied.

• If a volunteer and a hungry bum arrive at the same time, both throwings-out happen simultaneously, so there's no overlap (i.e. previous volunteer doesn't serve new bum, new volunteer doesn't serve previous bum).
• In case of more complicated ties (eg. a volunteer and 2 hungry bums all arrive at once), hopefully we can work out something by combining the above. I might even consider awarding you bonus points for subverting the laws of probability

[mobius]

Rrrrrr! You pizza-centerd guys didn't want to name the tasty steak from the bum shop?

2nd place still very good, congrats to möbius for doing really great on this one, and thanks to the host!

-- Simon

since the bum shop question comes after the food question; I wouldn’t have thought of that unless I went back to think about it after the bum question. After mentioning pizza earlier I thought for sure everybody would think of pizza.

I’m really surprised everybody said yes on the breakfast thing. And ccexplore even chooses “yes” just for the feud. I thought the general consensus is most people don’t eat breakfast (even though it is very good for you and is the most important of the day). Maybe that’s only a thing in my area. I know America, especially the south is more unhealthy on average than many other countries around the world.

[Quizmaster]

You wanted 7 days, so 7 days it is! A record-equalling low 5 people entered round 16.

1. Name a colour associated with Christmas.

white: 2
red: 2
green: 1

Santa and candy canes win over trees and mistletoe.


2. Name a country where you might celebrate Christmas South of the Equator.

New Zealand: 3
Australia: 2

The holiday Quizmaster's southern base gets a nod over the somewhat larger country next door


3. Sadly, nothing lasts forever. Including Christmas. And Family Feud. How many more rounds of Family Feud will there be after this round?

10: 2
4: 1
3: 1
1: 1 (changed from 4)

The latter answer is quite possibly a winner if we score by correctness instead


4. How many days should each round last for?

7: 4
4: 1

Once a week, how appropriate for a quality gameshow


5. Family ____! Name a two-word phrase that includes the word "family".

Family Guy: 2 (plus one honourable mention)
Family fun: 1
Family tree: 1
Family time: 1

Staying with the TV show theme here.


6. Name a word that starts with the letters "clam" that isn't "clam".

clamp: 3
ClamSpammer: 2

Other possible answers (not including ClamSpammer - though I'm flattered, of course ) can be found here. Rather a lot of them too.


7. A new soup kitchen has opened in bumsville! The kitchen is open from midnight 00:00 to midnight 24:00. You may choose any time of day (to the minute) to arrive, and you may choose to either collect soup or volunteer to serve soup.

Here's how the day panned out:

02:00 - möbius (volunteer) enters
02:06 - ccexplore (volunteer) enters, throws out möbius
08:06 - ccexplore (volunteer) leaves
08:21 - geoo (hungry) enters
10:02 - Simon (hungry) enters, throws out geoo
12:11 - Clam Spammer (volunteer) enters, serves Simon (Clam Spammer gets 0.5 points)
18:11 - Clam Spammer (volunteer) leaves (Simon gets 6 hours = 0.9L of soup)
24:00 - Closing time! Simon (hungry) leaves

möbius gets a mere 6 minutes work experience, ouch.


8. It's time for the happy feuding family to gather around the Christmas tree and open the presents! You can choose to give a present and receive some in return, be a humbug who doesn't give or receive presents, or be a grinch who tries to steal presents.

Give: 3 (1 point)
Humbug: 1 (1 point)
Grinch: 1 (0 points)

Simon and geoo get in a fight (geoo wins), and everyone else gets a full share of candy


9. Christmas is over! Choose a day between Boxing Day (December 26) and January 31 to un-deck the halls.

31 December (0)
9 January (1)
11 January (1)
13 January (1)
30 January (0)

Whether it's the birthday paradox or the christmas paradox, there wasn't much chance of a clash here. Especially with some responses quite near the endpoints


Now let's see who had the most profitable holiday season.

1st: Clam Spammer 8.17
2nd: geoo 8
3rd: Simon 6.57
4th: ccexplore 5.67
5th: mobius 4.42

Scoresheet attached as per usual.

Happy post-holidays all, and I'll see you in the new year later in the current year!

[Quizmaster]

A feud about Lemmings and Lemmings levels!
The non-feud questions are a bit different this time, perhaps this will draw in some more players?
The feud will be open for about one week.


Family Feud

Note: you're encouraged to answer the first three questions without looking up.

1. Name a country that features lemmings.
2. Name a country that features clams.
3. Name a country that features capybaras.

4. What's the greatest enemy of a green haired lemming?

5. Which year will Simon finish Lix? (NEVER is a valid answer)

6. Which year will Insane Steve finish his 11th levelpack ISteve11? (NEVER is a valid answer)
For the record, his 10th pack was 30% finished in 2006 and finished in 2009, Steve wrote in June 2011 the ISteve11 needs only 2 or 3 more levels.

7. Which year will ccexplore's level "Brickout" be backroute-free? (NEVER is a valid answer)
Background: "Brickout" is a very hard level for Lix by ccexplore, which had at least 10 iterations of backroutes and backroute-fixes. The first version was released in early February 2012, and the last (up to now) in March 2012, and it has been backrouted. So right now there is no backroute-fixed version.

Lemmings level questions

Note: When I mean a level is solvable, I mean in Lemmix/Original Lemmings. I'll try to find a solution using your skillset, but if I can't, I might have to ask you for your solution.

8. It's Hero Time! You got one of each skill, 1 minute, and 25 lemmings at release rate 99.

Pick some out of the available 8 skills that are sufficient to save 24/25. (I'm easy on you, you don't have to save everyone!).
If someone else solves it with a subset of the skills of your choice, their solution is strictly superior and you get nothing.
If not, you get 1/x points where x is the number of players who picked exactly the skill combination as you.

9. Fun 20, "We are now at LEMCON ONE". Saving 30/50 required, 20 (14 if there's only 5 players, 17 if there's only 6 players) of each, release rate 10, 5 minutes.

Give a skillset with which you can solve the level. There's one issue though: the skills have to be shared
among all players. It might be that for some skill, the demands of all players add up to more than 20 (or 14 or 17).
In that case, the players with the highest demand for that skill (descendingly) lose, until the total demand
of the remaining players is at most 20 (or 14 or 17). Winning is only rewarding if someone else loses, so if no-one has lost
until now, the player(s) using the most skills in total lose. Everyone who doesn't lose wins and gets a point!

10. Now we play Fun 26, "Nightmare on Lem Street". 2/2 lemmings to save, release rate 30, 5 minutes. 20 builders,
but 10 of everything else! (Adapted skillset for the purpose of this challenge.)

Pick a skillset of at most 12 skills that allows to solve the level.
However, there's only limited supply of skills. Again, if the total demand of all players is higher than the available skill amount,
a conflict arises, but this time everyone who needs this skill loses.
Winning is only rewarding if someone else loses, so if no-one has lost
until now, the player(s) using the most skills in total lose. Everyone who doesn't lose wins and gets a point!

[ccexplore]

Hmm......I for one have to look up that term in Wikipedia......

[Proxima]

Sorry, I'm being stupid, I didn't look at the type of question and thought you were trying to get a clash rather than to avoid one....

[Quizmaster]

This is a reminder to get your entries in, there's only a few days left (I think just 1 if I were to be exact)!

I'm especially looking at ccexplore (and Clam), you don't want to miss the (possibly) last feud, now that you've never missed one before, do you? Especially as I made one question just for you.

[ccexplore]

I submitted finally.  This is what happen when you have what amounts to level challenges in a feud. [Plus I really am busy with real life, sadly ]

[edit: @Clam: regarding your IRC comment about Amiga Fun 20, that's no glitch, it's just full acid objects with the "only draw on terrain" flag set.  I think the intended visual effect is to make it look like tubes/pipes of bubbling, simmering liquid.  DOS of course has liquids taken out in plenty of levels and Fun 20's no exception, although I think the DOS rendering programming is such that it wouldn't have rendered correctly anyway.  Might work in Lemmix though.]

[Quizmaster]

The results for the first round moderated by geoo that actually features lemmings questions are out!
I admit, the level questions probably took a bit more time than usual, and the last two didn't even work out that nicely.
Anyway, on to the results:


1. Name a country that features lemmings.

Norway: 6
Canada: 1

Ironically, the player closest to Norway picked Canada (which is definitely correct as well):

Well, I know that we have lemmings in Finland and in our northern neighbour Norway, but nobody won't answer those :--D)

I suppose some people remembered my trivia question: "Which (of the following) territories belonging to Norway feature the Norway Lemming (lemmus lemmus)?"


2. Name a country that features clams.

New Zealand: 6
USA: 1

Clam sums it up nicely:

clams are everywhere, but there's only one Clam

3. Name a country that features capybaras.

Brazil: 4
Peru: 1
USA: 1
Germany: 1

Clam followed the same logic as the previous question, and picked Germany:

anyone who answers different obviously looked it up

Steve on picking USA:

Yea I know that capybaras aren't in the US but I don't think many people actually do and this is more a dump answer

4. What's the greatest enemy of a green haired lemming?

This is a fun one! Let's see:

water/liquid (I grouped these two answers together as they were close enough): 2
clam: 1
nuke: 1
a blue haired lemming: 1
chameleon: 1
player incompetence: 1

I was contemplating grouping Clam with player incompetence.


5. Which year will Simon finish Lix? (NEVER is a valid answer)

Never: 6
2015: 1

Simon put it in all caps and with an exclamation mark!
Steve's comment:

serious answer: ... probably not never, but I mean

6. Which year will Insane Steve finish his 11th levelpack ISteve11? (NEVER is a valid answer)
For the record, his 10th pack was 30% finished in 2006 and finished in 2009, Steve wrote in June 2011 the ISteve11 needs only 2 or 3 more levels.

Never: 3
2013: 3
2014: 1

I noticed the same thing, but I'm trustful. 

We can only hope.

Simon's (and also geoo's) rationale behind picking 2013:

because Steve will get encouraged by this question

Steve answered 'never', noted however:

serious answer: knowing me, probably 2015 when I decide that Lemmix is really neat one random day again

7. Which year will ccexplore's level "Brickout" be backroute-free? (NEVER is a valid answer)
Background: "Brickout" is a very hard level for Lix by ccexplore, which had at least 10 iterations of backroutes and backroute-fixes. The first version was released in early February 2012, and the last (up to now) in March 2012, and it has been backrouted. So right now there is no backroute-fixed version.

Never: 6
2013: 1

THE BACKROUTE IS NEVER END

ccexplore's comment on answering 'never':

for feud purposes only, I hope 

Simon answered NEVER!!!!

And that is not because the game is glitchy! It's because the skills are too versatile!

Lemmings level questions

8. It's Hero Time! You got one of each skill, 1 minute, and 25 lemmings at release rate 99.

Pick some out of the available 8 skills that are sufficient to save 24/25. (I'm easy on you, you don't have to save everyone!).
If someone else solves it with a subset of the skills of your choice, their solution is strictly superior and you get nothing.
If not, you get 1/x points where x is the number of players who picked exactly the skill combination as you.

geoo: blocker, digger, miner
Simon: climber, floater, basher, miner, digger
Gronkling: bomber, blocker, miner, digger
Steve: floater, blocker, miner, digger
Akseli:  floater, blocker, miner, digger
Clam: bomber, miner, digger
ccexplore: floater, blocker, builder, miner

geoo's skillset is a subset of each of Steve's, Gronkling's and Akseli's, so those three get 0 points.
geoo, Simon, Clam and ccexplore get 1 point.
Simon is really lucky here, as basher, miner, digger is also a valid skillset, so he even has 2 surplus skills, but no-one picked this skillset.

ccexplore's solutions is my favourite, at least I like the solution that I found for this skillset. Perhaps his intended solution is different?


9. Fun 20, "We are now at LEMCON ONE". Saving 30/50 required, 20 (14 if there's only 5 players, 17 if there's only 6 players) of each, release rate 10, 5 minutes.
Give a skillset with which you can solve the level. There's one issue though: the skills have to be shared
among all players. It might be that for some skill, the demands of all players add up to more than 20 (or 14 or 17).
In that case, the players with the highest demand for that skill (descendingly) lose, until the total demand
of the remaining players is at most 20 (or 14 or 17). Winning is only rewarding if someone else loses, so if no-one has lost
until now, the player(s) using the most skills in total lose. Everyone who doesn't lose wins and gets a point!

The only skill count that goes above 20 is the basher with 23. Gronkling's solution uses 7 bashers and 2 builders, so everyone but Gronkling get a point.
The detailed list is in the attached spreadsheet.
The builder count is exactly at 20, all other skills are not even close to 20. I think I should have lowered the allowed skill counts in general to get a more conflicts.


10. Now we play Fun 26, "Nightmare on Lem Street". 2/2 lemmings to save, release rate 30, 5 minutes. 20 builders,
but 10 of everything else! (Adapted skillset for the purpose of this challenge.)
Pick a skillset of at most 12 skills that allows to solve the level.
However, there's only limited supply of skills. Again, if the total demand of all players is higher than the available skill amount,
a conflict arises, but this time everyone who needs this skill loses.
Winning is only rewarding if someone else loses, so if no-one has lost
until now, the player(s) using the most skills in total lose. Everyone who doesn't lose wins and gets a point!

Builders are essential in this level. Steve requests 12 builders ("some men just want to watch the world burn"), so the total builder count goes up to 30. Everyone loses.
Details, again, in the spreadsheet. Perhaps I should have asked for solutions that use exactly 2 builders.

Adding up the scores, these are the final results:

1. Simon & geoo: 8.5
3. Clam: 8.25
4. ccexplore: 7.08
5. Gronkling: 7
6. Steve: 6.75
7. Akseli: 4.17

[chaos_defrost]

I love how, with all the 1-per-skill levels I make, switching off my original Hero Time answer (floater/basher/miner/digger) dropped me from 3rd to 6th. Awesome.

Also I am very proud of my answer to the last question deal with it

[ccexplore]

8. It's Hero Time!

geoo: blocker, digger, miner
Simon: climber, floater, basher, miner, digger
Gronkling: bomber, blocker, miner, digger
Steve: floater, blocker, miner, digger
Akseli:  floater, blocker, miner, digger
Clam: bomber, miner, digger
ccexplore: floater, blocker, builder, miner

geoo's skillset is a subset of each of Steve's, Gronkling's and Akseli's, so those three get 0 points.
geoo, Simon, Clam and ccexplore get 1 point.
Simon is really lucky here, as basher, miner, digger is also a valid skillset, so he even has 2 surplus skills, but no-one picked this skillset.

ccexplore's solutions is my favourite, at least I like the solution that I found for this skillset. Perhaps his intended solution is different?

I actually missed both the blocker-digger-miner and the basher-digger-miner solutions, thinking bomber-digger-miner is the only 3-skill solution, so I was just going for what I hope was the less likely picked 4-skill solution.  I strongly suspect my solution to be just a minor, slightly slower variant of floater-blocker-digger-miner given by two people here, which was killed by your blocker-digger-miner, so I got a little lucky in that regard. Also lucky that the DOS timer prevents substituting builder in the 3-skill solutions.

I'm a little curious, does the Quizmaster have an "unfair" advantage here in working through Mayhem 3 in advance to have come up with the question in the first place?  If not, then we might've just proven the real, correct answer to question 3 in round 15......

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I also misread questions 9 and 10 and thought that the "most skills toal lose" criteria still applies even after eliminating the skills-exceeding players.  (That is, I thought after eliminating players until no skills are over-demanded, the "most skills total lose" criteria is then still applied to weed out yet more players, rather than only applying it if there were no eliminations due to over-demand.)  That was what ate up time for me to figure out #9.   My solution for #9 ends up essentially being a sort-of challenge of using no more than 3 of a type of a skill while minimizing the total (the latter minimization only because I misread the rules), that worked out to 10.  (I avoided the min-skill solution [5 builders, 1 blocker, 1 basher, 1 digger/miner/bomber] to avoid elimination due to over-demand of builders.)

For 10 (ie. Fun 25 26) I actually had the same thought as Steve, but again because of my misreading of the rules, I went for 5 instead of 12 builders (5 being the minimum number of skills required to solve the level).  AFAIK way back in time when challenges are still active, Clam tried hard but couldn't come up with a builder-free solution for that level, the best he got was getting builders down to 1. [edit: catching up on IRC suggests I probably mixed up Fun 26 with the Mayhem repeat, so I guess there is a no-builder solution but it doesn't work with the additional restrictions of the question, unsurprsingly.]

[ccexplore]

Okay, I feel the need to blab about the rest of round 17 as well:

- Brazil was my actually first thought when answering #3, but for some reason I felt it was not the right South American country, that I got it mixed up with something else rodent-related.  At least you know I'm honest about not looking up the answers...

- For #4 I was really debating whether I should go with the ONML lizard (ie. what Akseli called chameleon).  I also thought about various other creature-like traps in L2 (eg. the Outdoor frog) and even L3 (potato beast) but thought the lower popularity of those games make such answers unfavorable for feud purposes.  In the end I just felt like the question is likely to end up with all different answers, and was hoping at least one other person sees the nuke as the weapon of mass lemmings destruction that it logically is.

- Finally, I started with all three NEVER for the "when will" questions, but decided to cut Steve some slack on that question, although it seems like other people was even more optimistic than I am.   Interesting that in all 3 questions the person being referenced answered NEVER himself.  Not sure how serious Simon's answer is?

I still don't have the time, but I will say that being called out on Brickout does motivate me to actually prove the feud wrong.  I just hope it is actually achievable and not like what Simon suggested......

[ccexplore]

Hmm, I just looked at Steve's solution for Fun 20 in the spreadsheet, and he has 4 bombers, 2 builders, and 3 bashers.  Is that really possible?  I tested bombers during the round and my finding was that the bomber would've just broken through the floor (recall that in Lemmings 1 they fall through diagonally-upward adjacent single pixels of terrain) when you try to get through a piller with just one bomber alone, without other skills to make the bomber explode higher (just one pixel higher than floor level will do).  Was my finding incorrect?

[ccexplore]

I got more comments on IRC for my floater-blocker-builder-miner #8 solution than I expected, which now makes me wonder if the 2 eliminated floater-blocker-miner-digger solutions aren't what I thought they are, given how I already missed two of the three 3-skill solutions?  And also whether geoo has what I has (kinda think he does but on the other hand, he seems to like it too much?).  So anyway I've attached my replay.  It's really floater-blocker-(miner/digger)-(miner/digger/builder).

[Clam]

For 10 (ie. Fun 25 26) I actually had the same thought as Steve, but again because of my misreading of the rules, I went for 5 instead of 12 builders (5 being the minimum number of skills required to solve the level).  AFAIK way back in time when challenges are still active, Clam tried hard but couldn't come up with a builder-free solution for that level, the best he got was getting builders down to 1. [edit: catching up on IRC suggests I probably mixed up Fun 26 with the Mayhem repeat, so I guess there is a no-builder solution but it doesn't work with the additional restrictions of the question, unsurprsingly.]

I was just going to mention that. I can't find a replay for Fun 26 no builders (there's a link to the old forum instead), so I solved it again, replay attached. The repeat (Mayhem 13) needs a builder, there's a replay in the challenge topic - surprisingly not my replay, but Pooty's.

I had the same problem with bombers on Fun 20, maybe IS meant to add in climbers too?

For the "when if ever" questions, I picked "never" for all simply because it saves you having to choose between this year or next year, or the year after that etc. It's an easy cop-out, which one could expect other players to take as well. Plus NEVER is a new and fun option, which makes it extra attractive

[chaos_defrost]

Hmm, I just looked at Steve's solution for Fun 20 in the spreadsheet, and he has 4 bombers, 2 builders, and 3 bashers.  Is that really possible?  I tested bombers during the round and my finding was that the bomber would've just broken through the floor (recall that in Lemmings 1 they fall through diagonally-upward adjacent single pixels of terrain) when you try to get through a piller with just one bomber alone, without other skills to make the bomber explode higher (just one pixel higher than floor level will do).  Was my finding incorrect?

I didn't actually test it as a solution so this is possible yea

doesn't really change the standings any though, so meh

[ccexplore]

It depends on whether you choose to use climbers or builders to raise the bombers, given that the current builder total works out to be 20.  [edit: I should really say "it might", since I can't be bothered to actually check what happens to the rankings with the myriad possibilties, and it's still all kinda pointless regardless as I noted below]

I wouldn't bother reconsidering the rankings anymore though, since this issue really can't be undone without a time machine (for all we know, if Quizmaster did catch the problem, you might've ended up going for a different solution altogether).  All I want to just check and see if I missed anything solution-wise.

[chaos_defrost]

Na, it's a mistake on my end. I thought you could get cleanly through the poles that are over the support pillars without elevating the bombers, but I guess it barely doesn't work.

Almost definitely climbers, since everyone needs at least two builders and I wouldn't want to be the one wasting the builders.

Or maybe I'd have done something like 2 climbers 2 bombers 2 builders 3 bashers 2 miners 2 diggers in case a lot of people used climbers. Pretty sure if I found out that solution didn't work I'd not have added any builders.

[geoo]

Oops, I guess I was a bit careless checking the solutions here.
Yeah, I suppose I'd just give the benefit of doubt and say the additional skills would have been mostly climbers (1 or 2 more builders would have kicked Simon though ).

Yeah, the solution ccexplore posted is the one I found now too. I find it kinda neat as it's got enough time to actually take the long route and build over the bridge, and I like the trick of having everyone walk back and forth, and the miner falls down while the crowd lands safely on the middle platform before proceeding downwards.
I suppose the floater, blocker, miner, digger solution is similar, so it feels kinda bad that it's outrun by my ugly blocker, miner, digger solution (see attached).