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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2018, 07:57:53 pm »
6-4 Escape to Victory!

40 Lemmings -- Save 40

8:00 -- 10 of each skill

Good:

Introduces the weasels; [sort of like NeoLemmix zombies] moving single kill traps that move and function pretty similar to lemmings. They actually did a decent job of making a level that forces you to deal with the weasels not just ignore them altogether. Simplest way is to sacrifice a lemming to set up a trap for them. But there are other ways to avoid killing one like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xNM5cJfZI&index=22&list=PL0750E99D04921FDE

Bad
The RR is fixed (so that you can send everyone out quickly and get home before the weasels reach you) but that means you might have to wait at the end for everyone to come out which is a tad annoying.

I'm anxious to get through this middle chunk of imo lesser levels and get to the good ones!
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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2018, 09:40:18 pm »
6-5: Let's Play 'Catch'

Lemmings: 10
Save: 5
Time: 5:00
Release Rate: 1
Skills:
- Climber: 10
- Floater: 1
- Bomber: 4
- Blocker: 0
- Builder: 1
- Basher: 0
- Miner: 0
- Digger: 0

Good: Overall an interesting "fall survival" puzzle as it isn't as straightforward as one would think and requires some careful thought and planning.
Bad: Destroying the terrain to reach the exit can be a tad annoying at times. You have to time your bombers and make sure that you leave some kind of small platform at the bottom of the terrain you bomb through, otherwise the lemmings won't survive the fall even with a well placed builder.

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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2018, 02:41:41 am »
^ 6-5 is probably my second least favorite level in the game. For the reasons mentioned and because it doesn't use any new features, feels like an L1 level but somehow less forgiving.

6-6: Two Sides to Every Story

Lemmings: 50
Save: 40
Time: 10:00
Skills:
- Climber: 10
- Floater: 1
- Bomber: 50
- Blocker: 50
- Builder: 50
- Basher: 10


Good: Relativity complex level, some thought needed to make a path; decent use of gravity changers. And interesting use of multiple lemming types. There's several different ways of solving it.

Bad: the saw doesn't seem to serve much purpose (other than an amusing way to kill lemmings if you've failed). The side of the level feels bare.

btw: for any unaware; if you'd like to look at the levels but can't/don't feel like firing up the game:
playlist of every level

https://www.youtube.com/user/pirohiko/playlists
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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 12:34:41 am »
6-7: Wood you believe it?

Lemmings: 50
Save: 40
Time: 5:00
Release Rate: 18
Skills:
- Climber: 0
- Floater: 0
- Bomber: 10
- Blocker: 5
- Builder: 3
- Basher: 10
- Miner: 0
- Digger: 10

Good: Interesting puzzle with figuring out how to use water lemmings to save non-water lemmings and get them both to the exit. Also, the pun?! How can that not be a thing to put here under "Good" :P :P
Bad: I really can't think of anything bad to say about this level to be honest, so I'm going to be nitpicky here and say that the building for the splatform to save the non-water lemmings and the tank can be a bit too precise at times. At least for me those were the reasons why I failed the level when I was younger.

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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2018, 01:56:15 am »
6-8: Wheelbarrows of Doom

Lemmings: 100
Save: 98
Time: 4:00
Skills:
- Climber: 2
- Floater: 2
- Bomber: 2
- Blocker: 2
- Builder: 30
- Basher: 2
- Miner: 0
- Digger: 0

Good: An interesting and tough puzzle, especially for a beginner.
Bad: The time limit can be very tight at times, and it can be very intimidating for a new player (plus you waste a lot of this time trying to hit the switch on the far right). You can also backroute the level by using the large quantity of builders to go over the top of the level and bomb your way into the exit :D

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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2018, 09:18:50 pm »
7-1 Designed with Love

Lemmings: 99
Save: 85
Time: 10:00
Skills:
10 of each

*one of my favorites in the game* :D

Good:
It's a relatively complex and good exploration type level using lots of elements; laser gates, pools and weasels. It may take a while to figure out but there's plenty of room for error and it offers many solutions.

Bad: Pirohiko exposes a very lame backroute which bypasses the entire level. Though this might actually be a little harder to pull off then most other ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKAnJ2eLqzk&list=PL0750E99D04921FDE&index=28
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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2018, 12:20:31 am »
7-2: Penelope Lem Stop

Lemmings: 32
Save: 32
Time: 6:00
Skills:
- Climber: 10
- Floater: 10
- Bomber: 10
- Blocker: 0
- Builder: 1
- Basher: 8
- Miner: 4
- Digger: 0

Good: A very intimating quick-as-you-can level where two lemmings are the last hope of a large crowd of lemmings trapped in a pit with a slicer slowly getting lower, and lower, and lower until it slices all the lemmings one by one in horrible carnage and...... but anyway it is an interesting puzzle that requires crafting the fastest route through the level to free the lemmings out of that death pit.
Bad: You can easily backroute this level and skip having to go through the entire left and bottom part of the level.

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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2018, 02:01:31 am »
7-3: How do we get up there!

Lemmings: 50
Save: 50
Time: 4:00
Skills:
- Climber: 2
- Floater: 0
- Bomber: 1
- Blocker: 0
- Builder: 8
- Basher: 1
- Miner: 2
- Digger: 2

Good: Interesting "Just A Minute"-type level concept where the main obstacle is getting to a hard-to-reach area of the level as fast as possible. Forward planning and timing are essential and the only way to pass this level.
Bad: But oh my goodness the time limit in this level is so incredibly tight. Sometimes you can have the solution craved out but because of a few little details you got wrong you run out of time. Sometimes you can do everything as optimal as possible and you still run out of time. Sometimes you do everything correct and yet to add salt to injury there is a freakin' switch next to the exit that closes a door. If the crowd does not pass this door by that time then you are s**t out of luck even if you reached the exit before time runs out. I mentioned that this was an interesting "Just A Minute-type" level and it is, but not even the time limit in the "Just A Minute" levels were this brutal. To make matters worse this level is very early on in the game, which makes it more frustrating to new players to come across this level so early on in their playthrough. Even the most patient people in the world would rage at this level or at least skip it (like I did). To summarize: this one isn't a winner in my book :( :(

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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2018, 02:18:38 am »
7-3: How do we get up there!

Lemmings: 50
Save: 50
Time: 4:00
Skills:
- Climber: 2
- Floater: 0
- Bomber: 1
- Blocker: 0
- Builder: 8
- Basher: 1
- Miner: 2
- Digger: 2

Good: Interesting "Just A Minute"-type level concept where the main obstacle is getting to a hard-to-reach area of the level as fast as possible. Forward planning and timing are essential and the only way to pass this level.
Bad: But oh my goodness the time limit in this level is so incredibly tight. Sometimes you can have the solution craved out but because of a few little details you got wrong you run out of time. Sometimes you can do everything as optimal as possible and you still run out of time. Sometimes you do everything correct and yet to add salt to injury there is a freakin' switch next to the exit that closes a door. If the crowd does not pass this door by that time then you are s**t out of luck even if you reached the exit before time runs out. I mentioned that this was an interesting "Just A Minute-type" level and it is, but not even the time limit in the "Just A Minute" levels were this brutal. To make matters worse this level is very early on in the game, which makes it more frustrating to new players to come across this level so early on in their playthrough. Even the most patient people in the world would rage at this level or at least skip it (like I did). To summarize: this one isn't a winner in my book :( :(

I kept wanting to review but forgetting. XD A lot of things can be said about this level.

This is imo the hardest and worst level in the game. It's the worst example of a poor time limit. I'm actually half convinced that was a mistake and they intended on 5:00 or more. It wouldn't be the only mistake in the game.

The level minus the time limit is actually decently difficult (especially considering its spot in the game and it's relative simplicity). It makes good use of doors. The beginning area is more complicated than it looks at first. There seem to be multiple approaches but actually only a few really work.
The door near the exit forces a unique approach where as Nessy said you need to get the crowd caught up to the worker in time, which is sort of novel.

So the level would be fun and tough enough with out the time limit shenanigan. It spoiled what was otherwise a very good level.
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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2018, 07:01:48 pm »
7-4 There's Only One Way Down!

Lemmings: 25
Save: 10
Time: 5:00
Skills:
- Climber: 0
- Floater: 0
- Bomber: 5
- Blocker: 5
- Builder: 5
- Basher: 0
- Miner: 5
- Digger: 0


Good: I like the wood textured background

Bad: Why does this level exist? Especially at this spot!? This would work on the first or second column. There's no challenge what-so-ever and it's not the least bit interesting. It doesn't even work as a breather level; it just feels silly and pointless especially after the last level which was the hardest in the game!

Sadly this is an example of the pattern that spoiled other games of similar nature (imo) like Oh No More Lemmings, Chips Challenge, etc: A poor selection of levels.
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Re: Level Review--Lemmings Revolution
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2018, 12:08:58 am »
7-5 What a Fantastic Pair of Birds

Lemmings: 20
Save: 20
Time: 5:00
Skills:
- Climber: 0
- Floater: 0
- Bomber: 0
- Blocker: 0
- Builder: 4
- Basher: 2
- Miner: 4
- Digger: 1


Good: This was a great level in my opinion where the limited skillset makes figuring out how to control the crowd, getting to the bottom of this level, and bypassing the bird traps a nice challenge.

Bad: The level requires a bit too much terrain to mine through near the exit which is okay for me on its own but combined with the time limit it makes this level an unnecessary time cruncher. Honestly that's it. Another thing I wanted to throw in is that I personally dislike the bird traps because when I was little the sound they made when a lemming got caught in them would scare me so much :scared: To this day I still can't hear it :XD: