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Offline Proxima

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #195 on: October 28, 2009, 05:42:00 PM »
Just spotted another easily filled gap -- Mayhem 26 can be beaten with only bombers, so the number needed can be read off the maximum saved list.

Doesn't apply to the Mac version, of course :P

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #196 on: October 28, 2009, 08:50:55 PM »
That's a nice theory, but it's not right I'm afraid. Here's a solution with 2 bombers - the max % solution loses 4 lemmings.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #197 on: October 29, 2009, 07:22:19 AM »
A few more Mayhem here.

9: 7 builders, 5 bashers
10: 10 builders, 1 floater.

Mayhem 14 I hate so much, I'll leave this to someone else.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #198 on: October 29, 2009, 08:42:48 AM »
There's a glitch route that uses sliding into the steel, then blocker glitches to get the lemmings out on the other side. I would assume this route is the fewest builders. Accurate building removes the need for diggers, and digging through the bridge removes the need for blockers. Therefore, however many builders are needed for that glitch route would be the essential skills.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #199 on: October 29, 2009, 09:46:01 AM »
Here's a replay with 4 [edit: gone], but I just realised it's possible with 3...

EDIT: Even better - just 2. :D

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #200 on: October 29, 2009, 11:03:10 AM »
Wicked 10 <snip>The floaters can be avoided completely using a backroute.  This backroute also only requires eight builders, which I doubt can be improved on.<snip>

I think you forgot something about blockers:

Quote from: Spoiler
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So while still a 12-skill solution using the same backroute, you only need 7 builders not 8.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #201 on: October 29, 2009, 12:56:40 PM »
EDIT: Even better - just 2. :D

Brilliant!

...but you haven't quite pushed your method far enough.  I've gotten it down to just 1 builder.

Because the solution uses that digger glitch that doesn't work in Lemmix replays, the attached replay stops working at the point where the compressed crowd approaches the right end of the bowl.  I've included a screenshot showing the result of applying the glitch, and another screenshot showing the final result after all the remaining block+dig actions.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #202 on: October 29, 2009, 04:58:53 PM »
[Mayhem] 10: 10 builders, 1 floater.

I've reduced the number of builders to 6, so at the moment, it's 6 Builders & 1 Floater.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #203 on: October 29, 2009, 06:41:23 PM »
[Mayhem] 9: 7 builders, 5 bashers

I've got the minimum number of bashers down to 2.  Now to see if any improvements are possible on the builders...

EDIT: Yes!  Minimum builders is now down to 5, glitch-free.  So for Mayhem 9 we now have 5 builders & 2 bashers.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #204 on: October 29, 2009, 09:06:16 PM »
[Mayhem] 10: 10 builders, 1 floater.

I've reduced the number of builders to 6, so at the moment, it's 6 Builders & 1 Floater.

Make that 5 builders. :)


[Mayhem] 9: 7 builders, 5 bashers

I've got the minimum number of bashers down to 2.  Now to see if any improvements are possible on the builders...

EDIT: Yes!  Minimum builders is now down to 5, glitch-free.  So for Mayhem 9 we now have 5 builders & 2 bashers.

Possible with 1 basher.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #205 on: October 29, 2009, 10:55:16 PM »
Improvements to Blitz:

1: 4 builders. This is just the standard solution. (All but the first 3 poles are safe to fall from)
2: 9 builders and 1 digger.
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5: 6 builders thanks to a steel glitch, replay attached
8: 2 builders and 1 basher (not 2)
9: 8 builders, replay attached
10: 2 builders
12: 1 bomber, 1 digger (this level has no builders, so I have no idea where the score of "6 builders" came from)
13: 8 builders
15: 9 climbers, 1 floater, 1 bomber, 1 basher (see attached replay)

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #206 on: October 30, 2009, 07:54:27 AM »
I'm really itching to get this finished now.  :D

As I mentioned earlier, both levels of Xmas 91 are improvable, to "none" and 1 builder, respectively. I got Xmas 92 level 3 down to 7 builders as well. Replays for these three are attached. But...

Xmas 92
1: 1 basher
2: None
3: 10 builders, 1 floater
4: 1 climber, 9 builders, 3 diggers.

I can't find any way to do level 4 without using both climbers.


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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #207 on: October 30, 2009, 08:46:12 AM »
Mayhem 18  can be done with only builders, so it's simply a matter of minimizing those. I'll give it a go now.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #208 on: October 30, 2009, 09:02:17 AM »
Done with 11 builders, but I'm pretty sure a few more steel glitches could lower it further. Replay attached.

Mayhem 19 can be done without climbers, and 3 bombers is the minimum. The only question is fewest builders, which is however many is needed to reach the absolute lowest point you can get the bombers to, plus one to cover the gap on the left - most likely 5, maybe 6.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #209 on: October 30, 2009, 09:05:03 AM »
I did a "least builders" run on this level in the challenge thread. I ended up using 8. I don't know if it's possible to do better with sliding, but given the abundance of steel and fairly high percentage requirement, I doubt it.

I still have the replay - I don't remember if I ever uploaded it. (EDIT: attached)