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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #150 on: October 11, 2009, 06:35:48 AM »
Have you not looked at the level, Dullstar? You need at least one builder to hit the chain and also, at least 2 builders required for the exit.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #151 on: October 11, 2009, 09:06:15 AM »
I'm pretty sure Dullstar is thinking about the wrong level, as it is pretty obvious that Wicked 13 requires several builders.

At this point, I'm becoming more and more convinced that the minimum for that level is seven builders.  I haven't verified it yet, but I've got evidence from doing each half of the level separately.

So far I've got the left side down to four.  The placement and alignment of the chains seems to be prohibiting this from being reduced down to three, as I can't seem to avoid having a builder hit his head on at least one of them.

As for the right side, I'm pretty sure three builders is the minimum.  It can be done using the blocker cancelling steel glitch to create a step so the lemmings can get to the exit from the top of the third bridge.  I highly doubt two builders is possible for the right side, as that would require the glitch to be repeated multiple times, and I doubt there are enough skills available.  Plus there's also the issue of save percentage.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #152 on: October 11, 2009, 01:55:43 PM »
I've played about with Taxing 10. All skills except builders can be avoided, and so far, my best score is 3 builders. A replay is attached.

Taxing 20 is none. The level can be beaten with just bashers, and just miners.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #153 on: October 11, 2009, 04:10:06 PM »
Here are the Xmas demo levels:

Xmas 91 for both levels: 3 builders

Xmas 92
1: 1 basher
2: None
3: 10 builders, 1 floater
4: 1 climber, 9 builders, 3 diggers.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #154 on: October 11, 2009, 06:49:35 PM »
The answer?  I didn't check.  Just sayin'.  Plus, if any new glitches are found...

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #155 on: October 11, 2009, 11:16:10 PM »
Taxing 12 can be done with 2 builders (replay attached). The other skills can be avoided easily enough.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #156 on: October 12, 2009, 03:18:36 AM »
A quick look at Taxing 7 reveals the following:

-- The climber can be avoided by going underneath the OWW, using the "bash through the top few pixels of steel" glitch. 

-- Using the same glitch, you can take the blocker and one builder out of the solution.

-- The basher and bomber are necessary in both the glitch solution and the standard solution.

Therefore my result for Taxing 7 comes to 1 bomber, 5 builders, and 1 basher.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #157 on: October 12, 2009, 09:06:58 AM »
I thought Taxing 7 was done already. It's not on the list though, so...  :-\

I managed to get Hail 14 down to 10 builders (replay attached) and nothing else.

I'm 99% sure you can do Xmas 91 level 1 with no builders using Tame 20 and direct drop, and level 2 with 1 builder by Tame 20 again.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #158 on: October 12, 2009, 09:33:26 AM »
It is, I did it ages back and came to the same conclusion. (Page 5, I think it was...)
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #159 on: October 23, 2009, 06:20:26 AM »
Bumping this up because we haven't finished yet.

Hail 5 works with 8 builders. I had to use all the floaters and the intended solution for this one.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #160 on: October 23, 2009, 06:22:02 AM »
Mayhem 22 almost definitely reduces to a fewest builders problem.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #161 on: October 23, 2009, 01:48:08 PM »
I can do Mayhem 22 with 6 builders (all other skills are not necessary, including the basher). If the first chandelier was one pixel closer, I would have been able to reduce it to five.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #162 on: October 24, 2009, 03:58:13 AM »
Taxing 11: 7 builders
Taxing 13: 1 basher, 1 miner
Taxing 14: 18 builders

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2009, 04:58:17 AM »
Taxing 14: 18 builders

Possible with 17 builders.  I didn't really think I need to post a replay but what the heck.  Too lazy for screenshots, so a spoiler for those who can't view replays:

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2009, 05:21:04 AM »
Clam, you must have missed my results a while back for a few more Wicked levels, because they're not on the list.

Wicked 12:  2 blockers, 6 builders, 1 miner
Wicked 13:  7 builders
Wicked 14:  None

Also, I haven't tested it yet, but Wicked 15 almost certainly comes down to a floater and several builders, although I'm not sure exactly how many...