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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2009, 12:04:14 AM »
And now the (presumably final) result for Wicked 4: 3 builders. The trick here is to use some of the "spare" lemmings to destroy the parts of the white steps that would get in the builder's way.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2009, 06:51:06 AM »
You definitely don't need the basher because the low save requirement allows you to ignore the top right entrance completely.  Also, using the same logic, you can ignore the top left entrance and remove the need for the bombers.

So we're now down to just the 6 builders.

Well done, I missed the point. I ignore the lower left entrance so often you know.

Anyway, Wicked 5 needs a climber and a builder, a basher and a digger. Great level for the one-per-skill challenge.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #92 on: September 20, 2009, 07:51:45 AM »
Wicked 6 definitely comes down to nothing.  No bombers are needed to pass the level, and yet a bombers-only solution exists as well.

I'm also pretty sure Wicked 7 comes down to 1 blocker and 4 bombers.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #93 on: September 20, 2009, 09:04:20 AM »
Wicked 5 can be solved without the climber. Which makes this a good level for speedruns too :D

Wild 1 (similar to Wicked 6) ends up with no essential skills either. You can solve it with any two of:
  • bombers
  • builders
  • basher and miners
while leaving the other group of skills.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #94 on: September 20, 2009, 06:57:05 PM »
Havoc 12 works with 9 builders. ccexplore posted a solution in this post.

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=98.msg1613#msg1613
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #95 on: September 21, 2009, 07:50:37 AM »
Taxing 15 is another "None".  It can be done with builders only, yet it can also be done with no builders.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #96 on: September 21, 2009, 09:40:18 AM »
I started Wild, so I may as well continue.

2: 5 builders
3: 6 builders (a builders-only solution is possible here)
4: 6 builders, 1 basher. The 6-builder solution was a nightmare to execute, so the replay is here to save you the trouble :XD:
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #97 on: September 21, 2009, 10:50:31 PM »
Wicked 8 looks like it requires 4 bombers, 2 climbers, and a builder.  Unfortunately, the towers appear to be just a tad too wide to force the crowd through with a blocker.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2009, 03:12:56 AM »
I honestly don't get how the Wild 3 builders-only solution is possible. Can you make a replay of that? Thanks.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #99 on: September 22, 2009, 03:58:00 AM »
I haven't actually tried it, but I know the basic principle of how it's done.  The vast majority of the route is through the chains at the top of the level.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2009, 04:10:02 AM »
The main problem I run into when implementing this solution is that halfway through the chains the lemmings get caught at the top of the screen and you have to use a digger to free them... :-[
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #101 on: September 22, 2009, 04:40:24 AM »
Wild 7: 3 builders, 2 bashers
Wild 8: 10 climbers, 10 floaters, 1 builder
Wild 10: 3 builders, 1 basher


The builders-only route for Wild 3 takes a bit of fine placement. You can get up into the first chain with a single builder if it's placed in the right spot. (Actually, there might be more than one position that works.) The other tricky bit is the one Yawg is struggling with - avoiding getting stuck in the ceiling.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #102 on: September 22, 2009, 04:49:15 AM »
I wonder, with things such as new glitches being found (not often) or new backroutes) will these results ever be certain to be final?

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #103 on: September 22, 2009, 05:49:17 AM »
What? The no digger Wild 10 makes even less sense to me than the builder only wild 3. At least the latter I can kind of see how to conceptualise.

I give up at Lemmings challenges, I'm going to stick to my bare-bones knowledge of the Lemmings engine and use my weird mind-set to make challenging levels and play from now on.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #104 on: September 22, 2009, 05:58:26 AM »
I wonder, with things such as new glitches being found (not often) or new backroutes) will these results ever be certain to be final?

Of course not. Same with any other challenge. If you ever do manage to improve on any of the challenge results, you can go and dig up the relevant thread.