Author Topic: What lemmings levels could be beaten with 1 minute AND 1 of each skill (Read 10717 times)

Dullstar · « **on:** July 06, 2009, 06:17:18 AM »

Combining the specific challenge threads...

Levels that could be beaten with 1 of every skill (required percentage) and in under 1 minute. When submitting levels, please note if it uses a glitch. So far I'm going to add to the list what I've tested, even though there are some that I'm sure would work. Note that the % possible are the highest percentages that have been achieved under the criteria.

Tame
1 - Down and Out Lemmings (100% possible)
2 - Rent-A-Lemming (100% possible)

THIS LIST IS INCOMPLETE

Another note: I've read somewhere about another challenge thread idea that was going to be held for something. If this is that thread idea, please note that it is merely a coincidence.

Clam · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2009, 06:37:18 AM »

No, this isn't what I had in mind for the new thread. I was planning something a little bigger...

You do realise that this is just going to be a subset of the "one of each skill" thread? I can't see this going very far. Still, it's possible that we might get something interesting out of it, I guess.

Dullstar · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2009, 06:45:44 AM »

Actually, wouldn't it be a subset of BOTH threads? Remember, this also includes the under 1 minute.

Clam · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2009, 06:55:25 AM »

Not necessarily. Some of the 1-minute solutions require multiples of one type of skill. Actually, quite a lot of them do, and once this list is complete we'll be able to see which ones - they'll be the ones that are on the 1-minute list but not this one.

Dullstar · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2009, 06:57:20 AM »

That is true, but I suppose until the looking begins, there shall be no finding out... A good way to get through faster would be to do only levels that are on both lists and then try those with both criteria.

Clam · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2009, 07:14:29 AM »

That won't pick up all of them though. Remember, the one-minute thread was done using the original skillsets, not with one of each skill. Some levels on the one-of-each list can be done in one minute with that skill set, but not the original one. Like...

*goes to look for an example*

Wow, there aren't really that many. I've searched the lot and found only one - Hail 1, "Go Thataway!". Still, that's proof that such a level is possible.

I might double-check this (which shouldn't take long), but I guess it's safe to just check levels that are on both lists, and then add this one in.
EDIT - double checked. There's one more (a very obvious one) - Crazy 7, "And now, the end is near...". The rest that we come up with here will be on both of the previous lists.

Clam · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:37:40 AM »

Don't worry, I haven't abandoned this thread. Here's the list of levels to check:

Fun - 1-13, 17, 18, 24, 25, 27, 30.
Tricky - 1, 2, 15-20, 22, 23, 26, 28.
Taxing - 6, 9, 18, 19, 22, 24, 30.
Mayhem - 3, 4, 11, 14, 16, 20, 24, 27.
Tame - all except 13.
Crazy - 1-3, 11, 13, 15, 19.
Wild - 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 20.
Wicked - 1, 5, 6, 8, 14, 16, 17, 20.
Havoc - 4, 6, 10, 15.
Xmas 92 - 1, 2.
Flurry - 2-5, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15.
Blitz - 6, 7, 14, 16.
Frost - 3-5, 8, 9, 13, 15, 16.
Hail - 2, 4, 6, 15.

I just found a great challenge to go with this. Tame 9 - 100%. I've confirmed that it's possible to do this in Lemmix, without the pause trick.

Dullstar · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2009, 07:25:33 AM »

I don't think the long levels in Tame would work, but you can try.

This doesn't apply to all of these levels, but I think there are at least two levels in Tame with the Snow tileset that won't work (length)

Clam · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2009, 08:03:51 AM »

I remember from my earlier Tame challenges that 19 won't work. 15 was borderline with multiple builders available, so that's probably out too. 18 seems to be too long also. And, of course, 13 takes more than one builder.

The rest of the Tame levels are possible, and, except for 3, can be done with 100% saved.

Clam · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2009, 03:33:43 AM »

Good news! Tame 18 can be done. It does appear to require pausing at the start though, and won't save more than 96% - and even that's doubtful. The attached replay has 54% saved before the clock reaches 2:58.

Clam · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2009, 07:27:40 AM »

Since we started on ONML, I'll keep going with it. Here's Crazy:

1, 3, 7, 11, 13, 15, 19.

All odd numbers

Clam · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2009, 06:56:55 AM »

Wild: 1, 6, 8, 9, 20.

Anyone else following this thread? Or has the "least skills" thread taken everyone's attention?

GigaLem · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:08:11 PM »

To
Clam Spammers list
of level that can be done in 1 minute and 1 of each skill
heres the overall todal
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111 333333 4 4
1 3 4 4
1 333333 444444
1 3 4
11111 333333 4
Note: i counted those

Clam · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2009, 12:26:26 AM »

That list I posted above was the levels to check for this thread. Some of those won't be on the final list. And I count only 117 levels on that list.
EDIT: Miscounted.

116.

As I understand it, this thread is for levels that can be completed in 1 minute with 1 of each skill. If that wasn't the intended goal of this thread, then I'd suggest that it should be, otherwise we can just combine the existing lists (as I have done) and leave it at that. The above list is for levels that can be completed with 1 of each skill, AND in 1 minute with the regular skillset.

GigaLem · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2009, 08:38:50 PM »

:(sorry

Dullstar · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2009, 09:37:43 PM »

I can't even READ your chart...
Barely...
It kinda looks like 134.
It'd explain the distorted 1, 3, and 4 and the numbers to create them.

Clam · « **Reply #16 on:** July 24, 2009, 08:28:00 AM »

Here's the rest of ONML.

Wicked: 1, 5, 6, 14, 16, 17, 20.
Havoc: 6, 10, 15.

Clam · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:47:01 AM »

This is what I've found for Holiday 1993.

Flurry: 2-5, 9, 11, 12, 15.
Blitz: 6, 14, 16.

Dullstar · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:55:17 AM »

I notice that Holiday Lemmings doesn't get much appreciation these days, does it?

Clam · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2009, 10:11:27 AM »

It still gets a lot more than Lemmings 2.

Dullstar · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2009, 10:29:36 AM »

GOOD POINT!

Clam · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2009, 03:14:06 AM »

Holiday 1994 looks a bit like this:

Frost: 3, 4, 8, 9, 13, 16.
Hail: 1, 2, 4, 6, 15.

Now we can go back to the original Lemmings and fill in the rest.

Clam · « **Reply #22 on:** August 23, 2009, 05:48:28 AM »

Time to put this one to bed. Here are all the Original Lemmings levels that I have found to be possible for this challenge.

Fun - 1-4, 6-13, 17, 18, 24, 25, 27, 30. (18/30)
Tricky - 1, 2, 15, 17, 18, 22, 23, 26, 28. (9/30)
Taxing - 6, 9, 18, 19, 22, 24, 30. (7/30)
Mayhem - 3, 4, 11, 14, 16, 20, 24, 27. (8/30)
Total - 42/120

And to recap, here are the other levels again:

ONML
Tame - 1-12, 14, 16-18, 20. (17/20)
Crazy - 1, 3, 7, 11, 13, 15, 19. (7/20)
Wild - 1, 6, 8, 9, 20. (5/20)
Wicked - 1, 5, 6, 14, 16, 17, 20. (7/20)
Havoc - 6, 10, 15. (3/20)
Total - 39/100

Xmas
Xmas 91 - none. (0/2)
Xmas 92 - 1, 2. (2/4)
Flurry - 2-5, 9, 11, 12, 15. (8/16)
Blitz - 6, 14, 16. (3/16)
Frost - 3, 4, 8, 9, 13, 16. (6/16)
Hail - 1, 2, 4, 6, 15. (5/16)
Total - 24/70

Overall - 105/290

13 levels turned out to be doable with one or the other condition, but not both at once. This is still subject to change of course

. They are:

Fun 5
Tricky 16, 19, 20
Tame 15, 19
Crazy 2
Wild 5
Wicked 8
Flurry 14
Blitz 7
Frost 5, 15

Clam · « **Reply #23 on:** August 23, 2009, 09:33:40 AM »

Something I meant to add to the above post, but forgot: the replay for Mayhem 14. This level only just made it in, with the pause trick needed to sneak under the time limit.

One part of the replay requires a bit of explanation - the part where I block the lemming into the wall. It's quite hard to tell, but this actually pushes the bomber one pixel further into the steel - which makes all the difference, as it means it takes one less basher stroke to break through to the opening in the terrain.