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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition
« on: May 01, 2014, 03:55:59 AM »
I don't think NaOH was the scooper.

But since someone has to be that, I'm pondering that mobius is either scooper or mafia, maybe scooper but with no good results so far. You gave pretty restrictive instructions on scooper behavior, even though a scooper would remain silent without information.

Rubix's reasons, I can't follow them entirely. Do you think Clam wasn't assigning roles randomly? If you think mobius is mafia, then who should be the scooper (NaOH after all)?

The only distinction of geoo has been the early and erratic voting with long explanations.

mobius or ccx, are you sure that you aren't going to to contribute some data from the ground-removing branch of the trade? >_>

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition
« on: April 30, 2014, 09:52:29 AM »
I've skimmed through the thread to psych myself, and would like to accuse geoo for now.

He has made more speculations on innocence than everybody else, and tried a test lynch with an elaborate apology.

As a coincidence, geoo also found the min-skill solution to Beach 9 via trigger-happy use of the filler (so almost sand pourer) to release an attractor, just to delay the release further. :P

-- Simon

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Lix Levels / Re: Lix Community Level Set
« on: April 28, 2014, 02:44:47 AM »
Proxima, let's talk in the channel at some time about the to-be-fixed bug that breaks Halfway Down the Stairs. It's not easy to find a simple algorithm to flinging (I assume that's the reason) that disallows two same-sided batters travelling together, but being fair across players. :-)

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition
« on: April 28, 2014, 02:26:56 AM »
I thought PMing people was discouraged anyway.

möbius: You don't have to trust any math, you can verify everything yourself. ;) Yeah, the math is based on random voting. If we find a prime target with reasonable accuracy, it's viable to kill him right away, steering other people's attention to more useful things. So I recommend only with care to go by the pure-random math. It's just an idea.

Edit: The ccx accusation despite the math leads, even though explained, to understandable attention. Not sure why more exclamation points in this game make me suspicious though, when I wasn't using them so much in the last game.

There's also geoo's comment on how Giga is likely innocent. Giga hasn't posted in a while before this game, I wouldn't make this assumption yet. :)

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition
« on: April 26, 2014, 11:56:40 AM »
Quote from: ccexplore
Well, enough thinking over this, it just makes my head spin. :-\
It was just to get lynching done in time (2 days left for a vote of 5) in the situation where people don't accept my proposal. It's easier to pull back (5 -> 4) the vote than to organize a last-minute lynch.

I'll be around in the upcoming hours to see what others think. Should there be a sudden rabble, I'll change my vote. You don't sound overly suspicious after all.

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition
« on: April 26, 2014, 02:06:26 AM »
The paper I quoted in IRC last week assumes that N mafia vs N townspeople leads to a random lynch. The mafia prefers an endgame with 1 mafia vs 2 townspeople at day, compared to 1 mafia vs 1 townsman.

Clam's rules make N mafia vs N townsfolk a win for the mafia. Thus, the better endgame for the mafia is N mafia vs N+2 townspeople now, and not anymore N mafia vs N+1 townspeople.

This is an important change and reverses odd-even.

(If people don't agree still or point out errors, I'll be up for lynching.)

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition
« on: April 26, 2014, 01:07:40 AM »
I was a little busy these days and only read IRC instead of writing much there, but people have cleanly refrained from discussing the game there. It's good sportsmanship to keep it in this therad.

Wildly accusing out of the blue is viable. At 8 players, a vote of 5 must be scratched together in 2.5 days remaining, with everybody voting for only one other player. I can't bring it over my heart to kill the bunny that doesn't post bunny pictures and thus uses a drawn approxiamation for avatar. So, I'll randomly accuse ccexplore for now -- but I will probably pull back this accusation later, if people agree with this:

It might be interesting to not lynch at all now:
  • 1. Prolonging the game gives the detective more turns to investigate.
  • 2. Higher win rate by sheer luck. On a bad lynch today, the next day starts with 2 mafia versus 4 townsfolk, and every lynch must be accurate. (When the day starts with equal mafia and townsfolk, mafia wins.) On the other hand, when lynching no one today, the next day starts with 2 mafia versus 5 townsfolk, guaranteeing higher hit rates on all future lynches, and one bad lynch is still allowed!
To recap, we can make up to one bad lynch in the entire game, whether or not we lynch today.

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: The OFFICIAL Lemmings Forums Art Challenge
« on: April 21, 2014, 01:46:37 PM »
This is an amazing piece of art!



-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia: Lemmings 2 Edition – Sign Up
« on: April 20, 2014, 11:10:50 AM »
Signing up!

-- Simon

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Lix Main / Re: Ginger Lixes
« on: April 18, 2014, 07:17:01 PM »
The styles are defined with an image file, lixrecol.I.png.



The first row matches the colors of the spritesheet, lix.I.png. These colors are chosen to be easily differentiable when working on the sprites.

The styles inside the game are each defined by one row in addition to the first. For each style, it is created by exchanging in the spritesheet each color of the first row by the color directly under it from the style's row. Bright pink (255, 0, 255) is transparent in C++ Lix. D Lix also supports alpha transparency.

1st row are the key colors from lix.I.png.
2nd row is the regular singleplayer color, Garden.
3rd row is the highlighting color for lix under the cursor.
4th row is the color for potential neutrals.
5th row is the first multiplayer color, Red.

C++ Lix runs with 16-bit colors (D Lix runs with 32-bit), but lixrecol.I.png has 24-bit colors. Thus, some similar colors might become equal inside the game, perhaps shirt and pants of some multiplayer styles.

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia -- Lemmings Edition
« on: April 17, 2014, 01:38:18 AM »
gg

Yeah, it's hard when the strategy depends on no fast miner outings, but there are two miners alive both with positive tests conducted. It didn't help either that dead people are allowed to talk, which might be properly forbidden in the next instance due to their trustworthiness. :-)

-- Simon

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General Discussion / Re: IPXWrapper over the internet...
« on: April 14, 2014, 05:19:29 PM »
What's preventing IPXWrapper from sending data across the internet instead of to another LAN address?

This sounds like you need a VPN. There are existing VPN tools you might look into before writing your own, but it might prove to be a great exercise nonetheless. :-)

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia -- Lemmings Edition
« on: April 14, 2014, 10:54:26 AM »
If you assume Rubix was the blocker, then a miner without information today will remain silent now to protect himself without blockers from the mafia.

This is simply too many eggs in the same basket, and you need both the blocker kill (1/6) and miner detect rogue (1/3) for this, which are independent.

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia -- Lemmings Edition
« on: April 14, 2014, 02:24:08 AM »
That is quite bold, and with nobody else minering, we should not neglect anymore the chance that dead Rubix was the miner. At 2 rogues, it's been a 25 % chance to lose him immediately.

I would like to accuse Ramon.

(Edit: Too tired for bayesian statistics of miner killed vs. miner lives and detects rogue etc.)

-- Simon

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia -- Lemmings Edition
« on: April 12, 2014, 11:27:47 PM »
Are there any more people who claim to be miners, and have genuinely checked someone this night?

Ramon, why do you first not want to play with outing statements, but then change your mind even though I was accused by multiple players already? What is the gain?

-- Simon

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