Taxing 11: &#A0;Save 100% with only 7 builders.

I have not yet verified that this actually works because I don't have Lemmings in my dormitory at school. &#A0;Based on what I did to turn the crowd around in Mayhem 17, it looks like it should work, though. &#A0;I should be able to find out for sure this weekend.

Oh, I originally thought you used a blocker (that was later freed) when dealing with the crowd-control with Mayhem 17.

Now that you reminded me of that other way of builder-free crowd control, I need to review Mayhem 17 to see whether I can lower the number of builders while maintaining 100% and glitch-free, now that I can use one of the blockers elsewhere......

Here's another fewer-builder challenge that is glitch-free:

Mayhem 17: &#A0;Save 100% using only 6 bridges. &#A0;Although, now that I think about it, it may be possible with 5 (I'll have to check). &#A0;It may be possible to lower the number even further with ccexplore's Tame 20 glitch, though.

I've confirmed the lowest number of builders you can get away with (at least on the PC) and still pass the level:

Mayhem 17:  Save 96% (77/80) using only the following:

2 climbers, 2 blockers, 1 builder, 3 bashers, 2 miners, and 2 diggers

In other words, I have lowered the number of builders down to 1, at the expense of not saving 100%.

This is not the Tame 20 glitch; in fact, I'm fairly sure you will not be able to attain a Tame-20-glitch type of solution, using only one builder, that passes the level even if you're allowed to use all the other skills given.  (But feel free to prove me wrong.)  You certainly won't be able to do it with the fewer number of diggers and miners allowed here.

Instead another glitch is involved.  Actually a fairly spectacular one, which unfortunately I definitely don't want to reveal at the moment.  Somewhat reminiscent of the Tame 20 glitch, but a bit crazier and more powerful.  Don't worry, I will reveal it eventually.  I'll say though that it is generally very hard to apply (much harder to apply than the Tame 20 glitch, for starters).

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About the skillset given above:  I'm pretty sure you can trade in a miner in place of one of the diggers (so 3 miners + 1 digger instead of the 2+2 above).  Using a 2nd digger might be slightly easier for timing-precision purposes, but then again it might just be a matter of practice in either case.

About 96%:  conceivably there is a small possibility that you can achieve 97% with this basic solution, but it'd be extremely difficult to plan out a viable setup.  You definitely cannot save more than 97% with this solution idea without using additional builders, barring as yet unknown glitches.

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As for a 100% solution using the least number of builders (all glitches allowed), it looks like you need 3 builders, and I do have such a solution in mind involving just the Tame 20 glitch, but I haven't tested it out yet.  If that 3-builder solution works, it is straightforward to convert it into a 2-builder solution that saves 98%.

Given the new glitch I introduced here, I can't definitively rule out a 100% solution using only 2 builders, but it seems quite unlikely to me at the moment.

And finally, it looks like LemSteven's 5-builder solution is indeed the lowest number you can achieve for a glitch-free solution.

How about the Genesis version of Doggie?  It is most amenable to MIDI, and isn't too boring comparatively speaking.

Oh thanks. Some sound better than the WinLemm midis, some don't I think.

A little problem is that when the song finishes, not the whole time is up, i.e. it doesn't play anything for some time. (e.g. song ends after 1:20, but the whole time of the song is 2 min, so there's 40 sec of nothing played.)
Anyone else with this problem?

40 seconds of nothing is definitely weird.  Feel free to send the problem MIDI file to me and I'll take a look when I have the time.

Do you know programs to edit the game Lemmings 95?

No, someone will have to write one.  It seems at this point 0xdeadbeef knows the most about the Windows version.

- The digging mask of the miner isn't correct (looks not like the stairs made by a builder, the steps that are dug are not correct).

Interesting.  I find the same is true in the SNES version (but I don't know whether it's incorrect in the same way as Windows).  The Amiga version does have a builder-staircase-like mining mask.

- Some sounds aren't playing or aren't good (e.g: Lemmings falling at the bottom of the level, "Oh no!" before exploding (the lemmings only said "Oh no!" when it explode, this is ugly!

What else should it do?  In the Amiga version it says "Oh no" too!  In fact, the only reason the DOS version doesn't say "Oh no" is because of limitations of sound hardware for PCs of that time, so it attempts to create a poor imitation of "Oh no" via pitch-bended music notes.

The Lemmings falling off the bottom of the level (the "Ahhh" screaming sound effect) is missing in the DOS version as well.

Of course, in the windows version they should all be just .wav files, so changing the existing sound effects should be trivial.  Adding new ones probably much messier to do though.

- When assigning a skill to a lemming, it starts the skill just one pixel in front, a little bit in front where it is supposed to be.

I'm not sure what you mean.  It seems to me that in the DOS version something similar sometimes happens.  It's possible that the game only deals with skill assignments after it first updates the position of the Lemming.  Lemmings 1 in general just isn't exactly very user-friendly when it comes to doing pixel-precise moves.

- Edit the graphics (open the .spr and .dat files) using the correct palettes (*.pal)

0xdeadbeef would know the most, followed by Mindless.  I'm too lazy to care.

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Perhaps it'd be easier if you wait for 0xdeadbeef to finish his Java version of Lemmings.  It's much easier to fix or improve things when the source code and the human programmer is still available.

and I have nothing at all for "Doggie".

Didn't DragonsLover sent you his version?  Even I have it.  I'll resend it to you.

Yeah, I noticed the application in Wicked 1 too, but sadly this seems to about it for the standard Lemmings and ONML games.

Actually, if the terrain is a little different, the trick could potentially be used for Taxing 7 100%, but as it is now, it isn't even close.

I could send you my config file for Amiga Lemmings 1 later (I use the adf floppy version though).