Still, aside from that it was nice. &#A0;If only I can get a download of the full games that work in Executor...

It took some work, but I finally found a way to get Lemmings into Executor, so I now finally have the Mac version of Lemmings running!

I'm going to take a look at Mayhem 26 now......

I found some downloads for Mac versions of Lemmings and ONML, unfortunately, they are compressed archives in the .SIT format.  StuffIt expander should be able to decompress them, but the one that comes with the Executor Mac emulator couldn't seem to do anything with them.

So I'm stuck with the demo ONML for now (thank god they have that at least!)

But even with just the demo, I have verified that many of the tricks/glitches that works on the PC and Amiga also works on the Mac.  I have verified in particular:

1) The Fun 6 glitch (screenshot)
2) The Tame 20 glitch (screenshot)
3) The miner glitch (used for example in Havoc 10 17/21, screenshot)
4) The Mayhem 10 glitch (screenshot)
5) The Wild 15 glitch (screenshot purposely withheld)
6) The glitch I used for the 1-builder 77/80 challenge to Mayhem 17 (screenshot purposely withheld)

I haven't verified more because I'm too impatient to solve the levels and don't have the access codes to go to any particular one in the demo.

Overall, I'd guess that many of the challenges that work for PC will have a good chance of working on the Mac also.

Surprisingly, the Mac emulator thing went much further than I expected.  Check this out:

http://www.ardi.com/ardi.php

One really amazing thing about this is, for demo purposes they actually included the demo version of Mac ONML in the download!  (amongst a few other demo programs)

If it can run the demo version of ONML, hopefully it should have no problem with the full version, assuming I'm able to somehow get hold of the files.

This is a step closer now to having a Mac version of Lemmings and ONML on my PC, and see how the various challenges work out on the Mac.

Well actually the PC DOS version also can only handle 80, it's mainly a performance thing I guess.

But it seems that the Mac is an interesting case where it's 3/4-way faithful.  There are some notable differences here and there, but overall it's far more similar to the Amiga/PC/etc. versions than say the NES.

I can't help but speculate that on the Mac, the vertical resolution might be lower or something, so that it's not exactly 160 pixels.  Which could potentially explain things like:

1) basher can bash without stopping after digging down 5 pixels on flat ground.  On PC/Amiga/etc., you need to dig down 6 pixels instead.

2) Tricky 13 ("Ozone Friendly Lemmings") requires 4 bombers to solve on the Mac, but 3 is sufficient on the PC.

3) Mayhem 26:  one of those "roots" protruding from ground can be walked through on PC/Amiga/etc., but can't on the Mac, causing the level to be much harder than intended on the Mac.

4) This is purely visual, but apparently, on the skills toolbar, single-digit numbers like 3 are displayed as " 3" (blank-3) rather than "03".

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This is why I'm getting more and more intrigued about the Mac version.  Too bad I don't think there's a Mac emulator out there at this point, at least not for the PC.

Typo?  I was talking about basher and digger canceling each other out, which has nothing to do with miners.

I don't think the miners in Cheapo are any stranger than CustLemm's/Lemmings.  If anything, the Lemmings ones are probably more strange.

as well as this I'm sure bashers and diggers can't cancel eachother out.

Well, I really wouldn't expect that to work even in Cheapo (I haven't really tried though).

As far as DOS Lemmings/CustLemm/etc. is concerned, I think the only 2 that work are basher-basher and basher-miner.  miner-miner would have probably worked as in Cheapo, if not for the miner glitch.

Not yet. I'm wondering if you need to use the 2 miners stopping each other trick though.

Has that trick been actually verified to work in DOS CustLemm and/or Lemmings/ONML?

I'm asking because it seems to me that, due to the miner glitch involving how his vertical position is already lowered by 1 pixel while swinging the ax, the most logical setup for this trick with the 2 miners facing each other at the same height separated in between by 4 or 5 pixels, will not actually work.  (There might be other setups, involving the miners meeting with each on a rather different height, that could work but I'd first need to examine the exact shape of the miner's terrain-removal mask more closely.)

I'll be ripping them all, including Holiday Lemmings, but I can't do them this weekend, so expect them sometime next week.

Aren't the Holiday Lemmings music just a subset of the ONML ones?  (at least it seems so on the PC version).