No, earlier I was wondering whether the glitch for the builderless solution to Tricky 9 can be applied on Crazy 20.  Because LemSteven mentioned diggers and miners and I haven't studied the level in detail before, I didn't realize there are no miners nor diggers on Crazy 20.  That's all.

Incidentally, are there any hidden icicles on that level?  Looking at the picture it seems like 12 builders should suffice for 100%.

Is there any particular level/solution you especially want me to test out?

I think I'm going to start posting future findings on the Lemmings Challenge thread instead, it just seems to be a more relevant place for these findings.

I'll end my last post on this thread with this:

I verified that the glitch involved in the builderless Tricky 9 solution also works on the Mac.

However, I haven't verified the solution in full yet.

You wouldn't think of it, but doing the "right mouse click" (select only walkers) move is a little harder on the Mac.  Since the Mac mouse only has one button, you get the effect by holding down the "option" key (the key on the Apple keyboard that looks like a 4-leaf clover, which the emulator substitutes with the right-Alt key on the PC) while clicking.

But unfortunately, at least on the emulator, I find that when I hold down the "option" key, I cannot pause and unpause.  The normal key on Mac Lemmings for pause/unpause is just plain "p", and I think when I hold down the "option" key it turns into an "option+p" combination, which I guess the Mac system distinguishes as a different keystroke than plain p.

So it becomes harder to execute right-click moves with precision on the Mac, because I need to first unpause before I can press the "option" key and click.  Whereas on the PC I could just hold down the right mouse button while the game is still paused, and then just unpaused and click with the left button.

I think that program's for making MODs though not MIDIs.

I'd also like to know the minimum builders for a solution without floaters; is this nine?

Nope, I just pass the level with 7 builders.  That attempt on the PC was 91% (73/80), although there were 2 avoidable losses so the maximum for that method should be 93% (75/80).

It is a glitch-free solution in a very pure sense, so I'm quite sure it will work on the Mac.  I can verify that later.

Well, when floaters are allowed, I can get 97% (78/80) with 5 builders on the PC.    I don't see any way to get fewer builders at this point.

The 97% 5-builder solution is glitch-free so it should work on the Mac...why don't I check it out now and see.

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As for adding in no floaters and/or 100%, I think I'll leave that for another day.  (The main issue in particular with minimizing builders while keeping 100% is that the level gives rather few non-builder skills, and much of the level is steel.)

I was busy working with Crazy 20 tonight, and here's what I came up with:

Crazy 20: &#A0;Save 100% using 15 builders.

This might sound like a lot, but remember that the 100% restriction means you can't control the crowd. &#A0;You can't use miners or diggers to slow down or hold the crowd because most of the level is steel, so I doubt that it is possible to reduce this number. &#A0;Feel free to try and prove me wrong, though.

Hmm, what about Tricky 9 though?

Still, a glitch-free solution is always interesting even if not minimal.

I'd take a look later this week.

I have verified that the 79/80 solution for Wicked 12 also works on the Mac.  Not that I'm surprised since it's a glitch-free solution; on the other hand, since it almost seems to "depend on luck" on the PC version, it's good to see that it really does work on the Mac also.  (And it's also rather "depend on luck"-ish on the Mac too.)