Oh yeah, as a side note, I got the "Oh No! More Lemmings" board up as well here: https://www.speedrun.com/morelemmings

I have not yet added the levels yet though.

Basically, it appears the PS and GBC ports are essentially Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings, but with a few levels missing.

I'll probably still end up splitting these levels among to the two different games, for ease of keeping track of all the levels.

0/10 Missing Satellaview port.


(joking by the way)

So I took your suggestion and sort of compared the loading times between two videos, and it does appear mine is loading slower. That's likely to me not having messed with the cycles at that point, but I can't remember if I had set to 3000 or max at the time. I will play around with that more tomorrow to see what sort of effects DOSBox has on the game. At the end of the day though, RTA will probably be secondary to the combined in-game times of the individual levels. The IGT's will likely take precedence, so if the RTA's appear different, than I can go through and add up level times to see where things actually stand.




In other news, I added all the NES levels. But in the process, I realize it was getting too confusing with the additional NES levels (they use a lot of repeat levels in different ways that other systems don't). What I will likely do tomorrow, especially now that I The Ports reference guide to work with, I will go back in the level leader boards and separate the levels into groupings of sensible platforms. Ultimately, it will just look 1000 times better, and probably be a little more accurate, since the tools can be different for similar levels on different platforms, even when lemming numbers are the same.

It'll be worth the work.

Additionally, I may add a 100% category for the levels as well, so that levels that can be 100% completed can also be timed.

In any case, once I rework the level boards tomorrow, they should be more or less ready to go.

@namida As a side note, the SMS and the GameGear pretty much share the same hardware. The GameGear is backwards compatible with the SMS, more or less, but games for the GameGear cannot be played on the SMS.

Chances are, there is no difference between SMS/GameGear version of the games. I will double check though if I can, but likely the issue won't make itself too pressing for a while, I imagine.

On another note, I think I can get all ports until 1997 on the same board for sure, and possibly also the GBC (haven't tested that one yet for levels and such). The PlayStation releases and other later releases I imagine will have be handled slightly different, but I'm sort of worrying about those last.

And I'm gonna work on them SMS levels, THANKS!

@Simon Lemmings seems like one of the more interesting TAS games because even the tools don't eliminate the sheer calculus. So itself seems like a competitive challenge even as a TAS (which I guess all TAS's are but). With TAS the optimal thing to do is always increase release rate by 99 and play in that manner (which would clearly be impossible for a human).

With DOSBox, setting the cycles can be quite painful for games that don't have internal timing systems, whereas you can run the processor as a simulated dead stop, or as fast as your actual computer processor can allow it. However, games like Lemmings (and some other MS-DOS games I've run thus far) have an internal timer which limits the speed the game can operate, no matter how many cycles you give it. For gives like this, it becomes however many cycles you need to eliminate the lag (because it won't go faster).

Regarding hitting the ESC instead of nuking. THANKS! for that heads up. Now I'm actually sort of torn. I was going to use beginning of level until count hits 0 (and use the frame 0 appears as the end time). If you can, in effect, play the round, have 20 lemmings left, and then hit EXT, and the next screen just goes to the "Level Complete" page, then I'm going to have to make a decision; require Remaining counter to hit zero, or end time on another frame... presumable the first frame that the victory screen level appears. I'll play around with this later.

I guess I should probably ask if there has been or was any sort of Lemmings speedrunning up to this point... if there have been established rules on the matter in the past, I'd go with that. If not, I wouldn't mind some input from y'all regarding what you guys think is best.

@Colorful Arty I'm familiar with NeoLemmix a bit. Just by how speedrun.com is set up in general though, NeoLemmix runs couldn't make it onto the original game page. In essence, I'd have to create a new page for the NeoLemmix software (which I may be willing to do in the future, because I realize that could open up custom levels and the like to speedrunning). However, I still got 2 Xmas Lemmings, and Oh No More Lemmings to get through first.

@forestidia86 I haven't played the '95 Version yet. I would accept a run (of what I understand to be 116 levels for whatever reason), though it'd be a category of its own. I'd also have to spend sometime to make sure all the levels are the same or not, or which ones or the same or are new, and what order the levels are in. Will look into that some next.


In other news though: https://www.speedrun.com/lemmings/individual_levels

I've completed the individual levels list so far... which includes the 120 originals, the 12 additional from ZX/CPC releases, 5 Sunsoft for SNES, 60 additional levels for Genesis (I also painstakingly went through all Genesis levels, and separated the exclusive levels from the copies). So those should be good to run, as of now, more or less. I haven't looked yet, but I'm assuming SMS/GameGear is the same original 120 levels as Amiga/DOS/ST, but not 100% sure on that yet, so will check that one next.

Hey y'all. I'm a transplant from the speedrunning world. A while back, I started working on speedrunning the original Lemmings. You can basically see what I've got up so far here:

https://www.speedrun.com/lemmings/full_game

So, because of how data is sort of cataloged on this site, I am running in to some difficulties in regarding how I need to split up the various platforms. Basically, because each port has a different number of levels, some levels switched out, or levels in different orders, setting up the full individual level leaderboards is proving to be a bit difficult at the moment. However, the 120 levels for Amiga/DOS/AtariST are up and should all be completely accurate as of now. It's unclear to me know because of the levels available on any given port as to whether I can get up all levels accurately for all ports on one page, or if I'll have to split the game page into more than one piece to properly account for all levels that can be run.

In any case, I'd like to invite y'all to submit times if you are interested. Gameplay must be recorded (ask, it's pretty easy to do). Additionally, games can be played via emulation for obscure platforms given that said emulations emulate the game accurately. And any feedback is appreciated.

I've already completed Fun and Tricky in terms of racing those 30 level packets. I haven't added my best individual times yet, but plan to do so soon.