At the moment, the main NL installer contains a folder "orig_brick" containing the PNG for the brick exit. This should not exist (Brick is an OhNo style, not Orig), so everyone should check whether they have this folder, and if so, delete it.

I'm sick of having to design around what is an obvious misdesign in the original graphics sets. Lemmings' "pin" (the pixel that determines where the lemming "really" is) is one pixel below the floor, okay. So traps' trigger areas should extend one pixel below the floor as well. Especially traps that have a visible part to show where the trigger area is. This should sit on the floor; it shouldn't have to be buried. This is 2018 and we do not mislead the player! It is the golden rule of modern level design!

Here's a run-through of all traps in the original and ONML tilesets:

Dirt: Bear trap and rock trap have extended trigger areas. 10-ton weight has a trigger area that stops above ground so it has to be buried 2 pixels
Fire: Firepit's trigger area stops above ground.
Pillar: Rope trap has a "blob" of terrain that's meant to be buried, but even the metal support has to be buried to get the trigger area to work.
Crystal: Trap 1 is meant to be buried, enough remains visible. Trap 2 is okay. Trap 3 has to be buried.
Marble: Squisher has to be buried.
Brick: Wheel has an extended trigger area. Squisher has no indicator.
Rock: Weed trap has an extended trigger area.
Snow: Icicle has no indicator. (But note the the trigger area extends below the rectangle of the trap. It's almost as if the designers realised this was a problem and fixed it in the ONML sets! All the more reason we should fix the Orig sets to match.)
Bubble: Suction pipe has no indicator; again trigger area extends below the trap rectangle.

The (in-game) talisman colours make it pretty difficult to tell whether a given talisman is bronze or gold. (Somehow, silver is a bit more distinctive )

Colours should be more like this, which are easy enough to tell apart:

To reproduce:

* Start a new level in the Rock tileset. Place some terrain.
* Attempt to place one-way walls from the Snow tileset. Instead of Snow's red one-way walls, the editor will place Rock's pink ones.
* Change the Theme of the level to Snow. There is no change immediately, but if you click "Get Terrain" and then "Get Objects", the already placed arrows will still be pink, but now the object selection scroll will have red ones.
* Place a new (red) one-way wall object. The already placed pink arrows now change to red as well. Alternatively, playtest the level, which will also suddenly change them to red.

I'm not sure what the intended behaviour is here, but certainly the editor is not being very honest about what options are available to the designer.

I would certainly like, in some cases, to be able to place one-way walls from a tileset that doesn't match the main "theme". For instance, Rock's pink arrows look fine on the green crystals, but are horrible on the rocky terrain -- and Snow's red arrows would be perfect.

Firstly, if the grid is on, then clicking on a piece to select it makes it jump to the grid. This is bad because the user may want to select the piece to make copies of it without changing its current position; and if they do want to adjust it to the grid they have the option of dragging it a short way and then back to its original position.

Secondly, again only if the grid is on, clicking on a piece with a negative X- or Y-coordinate, even if it is aligned with the grid, makes it jump by one grid-tile. This part is definitely a bug

This is inspired by the currently ongoing revamp of the NeoLemmix Introduction Pack, but is something that pack creators might find useful in general.

Allow creators to pair levels with image files, which get displayed where the pre-level text normally would be. (The image would take up less than the full screen, so as to leave a border of the preview screen's dirt texture.)

For the intro pack in particular, this would allow us to show the new feature the level is teaching, avoiding the situation where the new player can't work out which object is, for example, the unlock button. Anything we want to say about the UI, such as the number that indicates how many lemmings remain in the hatch, could be shown much more clearly with a partial screenshot and an arrow pointing to the feature.

Also, the Lemmings font (don't know if it has a name) is nice and comfortable for level preview screens, where the amount of text is limited to the level name and single words, but dreadful when trying to read whole paragraphs. We'd be putting new players off before they've even had a chance to start the first level. The ability to make our own pre-level images (which can contain text) would allow the player to read about the game mechanics much more comfortably, and when necessary, we could fit a lot more text on one screen than we can now.

This topic is for old-formats Mania. I am open to the idea of rebooting the project in new formats, but if we do, it should be in a new topic.

We've talked about it. Let's get started building it.

Lemmings Mania is a follow-up to Lemmings Redux, and similarly to Redux, every level must be based on a level from one of the original games. However, this time we're not keeping the original solutions but making our own repeats.

Just so we're on the same page, I should clarify that unlike Redux, this is not a group-led project where every single decision is made by establishing consensus and taking a poll if necessary. I'm happy for everyone to give input on how the project should be run and the direction it should take, but I'm going to be acting as team leader and making decisions.

Everyone is welcome to take part! If you want to contribute, then:

* Decide on a level from any of the original games (Lemmings, ONML, Genesis and other ports, Holiday, L2, L3, L3D, Paintball, Revolution, any others I may have forgotten). If it already exists in NeoLemmix, then produce your repeat by editing the original level. Remakes of levels that don't have a NeoLemmix version are welcome.

* Vary the skillset and level statistics to produce a new solution concept. We'll have some any-way-you-want levels to start off the difficulty curve, and some levels will simply enforce challenges on the old levels; but most levels for this project should do something new by using skills that weren't present on the original level, or using them in a way that wasn't possible before.

* If necessary either for your basic solution concept or to prevent backroutes, you can add or move objects or terrain to create slight differences from the original level, like the differences in the "Just a Minute" and "Fall and no life" repeat pairs. This includes "reverse" levels where the entrance and exit are swapped.

* All NeoLemmix skills can be used. Teleporters/receivers, pickup skills and zombies can be used, since these exist in some of the original games, but not the other NeoLemmix objects.

* All levels should have a distinct title from the original. If you can't think of a title, you can leave it and I'll try to come up with one.

* Don't include music. I'm going to have a music rotation for the pack using music from the original games beyond the Lemmings/ONML music used for Redux.

* You can also nominate existing levels from other packs, whether they are by you or another author, so long as they meet the condition of being a repeat of an original level.

Let's see what we can come up with between us, and above all, have fun!

Levels nominated so far:
Up and In Lemmings (ONML - Down and Out Lemmings - bsmith)
The Date / The Dance (2P - The Duel - GigaLem)
Everything to stride for / Everything to cry for (2P - Still everything to play for - GigaLem)
Two for the price of One (2P - One On One - GigaLem)
Lemmings on Vacation (L2 - Quad Quirks on the Quay! - Yung Gotenks)
Boiler Workers (L1 PSP - Lemming toast - Nessy)
Containment (L1 - No added colours or lemmings - Nessy)
Subterranean Safe House (L1 - Last one out is a rotten egg - Nessy)
Symmetry Mansion (2P - May the craftiest player win - Nessy)
(A number of L3D levels by Flopsy, see post below)
Upwardly Ascending Lemmings (ONML - Downwardly Mobile Lemmings - Yung Gotenks)
The Green Zone (L3 - Classic Level 1 - Yung Gotenks)
No Rests Allowed (Genesis - Take a little rest - Yung Gotenks)
The Metal Mines (NES - A Spot of Bother - Yung Gotenks)

Talisman ideas
Up and In Lemmings - 3 of each skill
Upwardly Ascending Lemmings - 8 builders
No Rests Allowed - Save 100%
The Metal Mines - 7 builders
The thing can be done! - 2 diggers

So, Lemmings Redux is about to wrap up. Back when I first proposed the project, one idea I had for it was that we could include our own repeats of the existing levels. This wasn't taken up, partly because when we started putting the pack together, we had no problem finding over 100 levels we wanted to keep. But I would love to do this as a follow-up project: a pack consisting entirely of repeats of levels from the original games.

This isn't a new idea, of course. Before I joined this forum (in one of its older incarnations) and discovered level editors such as LemEdit and Cheapo, the only level editing tool I had was ResEdit. This stores the level data in database format, with fields for number of lemmings, number of each skill etc, and then one large field for the terrain. It's like opening the text file of a Lix level, except that terrain pieces are numbered instead of named, and there's nothing to guide you as to which numbers are the piece ID and which are the coordinates; you have to work all that out for yourself. Needless to say, instead of bothering with all this, my first ever pack consisted entirely of repeats in which I only changed the titles, statistics and skillsets.

For this project, I'd like to collaborate with other forum members. Before starting, though, I'd like to know who's interested in participating, and I think we should have a group discussion of the aims and rules for this project and what levels we will accept. In particular, I think the questions that need answering are these:

* Should this be a separate pack, or a bonus rank in Redux? Or decide later depending on how many levels we get?

* How selective do we want to be? Include all proposed levels, or go through a voting process similar to Redux (but hopefully less protracted, since I'll be taking a firmer lead from the outset)?

* Which originals should be eligible for making repeats of? Certainly, all levels from the original games that already exist for NeoLemmix are fair game: Original Lemmings, ONML, Holiday, everything in the Extra pack, and the remakes of the Lemmings 2 Classic tribe. We could, if it's what the group decides, expand the net to include some of the following: Lemmings 2 (the remaining tribes), Lemmings 3, Lemmings 3D, Lemmings Paintball, Lemmings Revolution, and Lemmings PS3.

* What modifications to the originals are acceptable? Since we're doing repeats (not straight remakes), we can vary the skillset and level statistics to facilitate a new solution. Is it okay to modify the terrain slightly if our solution idea requires it? How about adding or moving objects? Remaking levels in other tilesets?

* Should we stick with the original 8 skills, or allow all NeoLemmix skills? Should we allow all NeoLemmix objects?

* Do we allow the pack to include levels that are also part of other large packs? Do we include existing repeats of the original levels by authors no longer on the forum (e.g. Ellischant's "Lemming Cliche", an excellent repeat of Fun 3)?

I'm really looking forward to working on this pack, so I hope it takes off