I found this amusing.

I went into the quake-net stats and found this page of every user's stats and a "random quote" from each user.

geoo - "honestly, your line of thinking is just strange"
thick_molasses - "who uses that? physicists probably?"
Proxima - "Why would you think I'm being coy with you?"
GuyPerfect - "That must just be a version number maybe?"
Insane_Steve - "but yea let me fix the more egregious backroutes, be right back"
ccx - "it's the side effect of real life "
Porcupine - "Extremely high amount of lateral thinking involved"
Capybara - "In fact, I think I'll take a nap now"
TM_ - "....is just hasn't been found yet"
TM_____ - "I think I'll watch some asshole mario before bed"
Mindless` - "is evil or is easier to parse than JSON?"


I wish some of the regulars would come back 

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@Simon, you need a forum game like; spot the porcupine. Or maybe shout out whenever you mention porcupine. 

11-3 The Diving Board 99/100 with reset glitch. 98/100 (required) without.
99 is the max with no damage.

I think it's possible to get 99 with no glitches. I've tried unsuccessfully to use just 2 builders at the normal lemmings start area to get to the switch in time for the water lemmings to get to the pool without having to block them off. (thus not having to use a reset glitch). One blocker on the right side of the water lemmings entrance can be freed by a build/bash. I use the final 4th builder to stall a water lemming.
It comes sooo close though. Irritatingly close.

12-2 Anger Love Hate. 49/50

Again, getting 100% no glitches is irritatingly close. You can use builders all the way and the lemming that goes to flip the switch can even climb up through the thin retractable floor. (idk if this is considered a glitch or not I mentioned it on "Going in all directions") I use 1 bomber to blow a safe hole through the builders steps for the rest of the lemmings.
It seems like there should be a way to get the worker to turn around so he can build to the other steps instead of using the bomber; after flipping the switch but I haven't figured a way yet. I'm still trying however.

thnx for the suggestions and for the order file. However it’s not working for me. My levels don’t get ordered correctly.

Fearful Symmetry isn’t new… but now that I think about it I may have made it for Lemmix and never redid this one for Lix. Yours is the correct solution.

And you right about the title to “migration”. Once again I got my levels mixed up and confused. I’ve changed it back. I didn’t realize it was that much harder. I’m glad anyway, because that is what I originally intended for this level. Your solution is slightly different; but not a backroute. (Mine just uses the blocker at the exit and I use a builder to block at the upper entrance.) I also added 30 seconds making the time 4 minutes. 3:30 was too tight after I tested it again. It doesn't change the solution anyway.

solution to wrong way is correct. The climber is a misdirection. In way of difficulty I thought it is kind of in the middle. 7 isn’t that hard is it? If you think it should be down much farther I’ll put it there (lower number I mean).
I won’t be too concerned with order in the future because I probably won’t upload that many levels at a time.

(warning: this topic will have spoilers)

Since I recently solved a level I was working on for a while I can relate exactly my process for solving it. And I wanted to discuss this to hopefully better understand how other people solve levels and learn something about creating them.

The level is “Move on in two Separate Groups” (Sunsoft 23) from Genesis. *see attachment

I’m fairly certain if anybody cares to talk about their solution to this level it will be different.


The first thing I did was take a look at the terrain and look for the immediate apparent plausible route. Which I decided was going upward, through the large twisted pillar. I also considered going under that if it didn’t work but noted it would almost definitely take more builders.

You need 100% so the blocker seemed a ruse at first, because I always associate undermining blockers with glitchy behavior (idk really know why, you were required to do it in the first game; it’s a stupid association). Regardless I immediately thought of using the blocker on the left where I could easily free him by bashing under the steps. This takes up 2 bashers however, if I wanted to get a worker on that side, which I thought from early on I really needed one. You can bash right but then too many lemmings clustered out so I was forced the use more than just one builders to prevent them from dying so I pretty much ruled that way out. I found no way of bridging that gap from the other side. This also got me into a habit of using only one builder at the gap and prevented me from seeing the need for 2 builders there early on.

Letting that side go for now, I focused on the upper entrance. From that entrance lemmings will be trapped in the twisted pipe. With no climbers the only way to get them turned around and going left is to use a builder. First I just did that; making all the lemmings fall into the area around the steps and pretty much trapped for now. The fact that just two builders would get them out of that area wasn’t clear to me at all until I tested it out much later. I didn’t even bother testing because it just didn’t look possible. It’s kind of hard to tell but 1 builder will just make it from the left upper steps to the twisted pillar. Eventually I came up with the plan of;
-block on the left, build over that gap. Then free that blocker.
-on the right, build to turn around then when they get down in the small step space bash left to make a path for the left lemmings.

I then gave up for a while and when I came back to this level I first came up with the habit of letting 1 lemming (on the right) fall into the twisted pillar to bash right toward the exit then build above him to block off so I could bash again later to complete that way. This always ended in running out of bashers. Which led me to stop blocking on the left and looking for another way to hold back the left crowd, or just brute build over the gap.

Eventually I discovered you can build once on the right over the crack in the twisted pillar, bash, build and build only once more to stall/turn around one lemming and the way is then safe. There was then only two lemmings that went down to the left. The way was pretty much clear then.

So in the end it seems that a simple miss misunderstanding in the beginning combined with some stubbornness is what kept this level from me.
After I have a solution I can look back and say that the main problem here is that I didn’t test enough. 1 major stumbling block for me was getting up the stairs next to the twisted pillar. However I can say that if the designers purposely made that difficult to see; they succeeded. (If this was intentional or not, something tells me it wasn’t)
Visual elements effect me a lot so it seems.

The hardest levels, I believe, are those in which you need to ‘create a method to solve it’.
A good example is ‘No added colours or lemmings’ from Mayhem OL. the solution is a procedure not similar to any other yet in that game.

Another way is the old; “eliminate whatever is impossible and the solution will present itself”. While I can confirm this worked for me a few times, it’s doesn’t always work so well for me. Simply removing everything that’s impossible just makes it seem more impossible.

no builders often makes you come up with unusual ways of getting to places and turning lemmings around. e.g. Tsueg's 'Rush Hour'. I like builderless levels, personally. Just because builder is the most used skill.

Thanks a lot for that list Akseli!
I forgot Bamboo Maze had no builders.  Anyway--this topic give me some more inspiration to make new levels.

Patricio de la Escosura
playwright
Homophone
Dylan Thomas
Audio book
spoken-word album
Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
Public domain
powered aircraft
weight distribution
free surface effect
RORO (roll-on/roll-off)
MS Color Magic
Kiel
1972 Summer Olympics
polymethyl methacrylate
Rohm and Hass
enterprise value
employee stock option
lattice model
trinomial tree
computational model
computational science
computing
video game consoles
Sega Genesis
list of Sega Genesis games
Lemmings

I was just clicking randomly until I got to “enterprise value” then decided I should actually find a way toward Lemmings. I didn’t go backwards from Lemmings this time, in consequence it got kind of boring at the end.

thanks for the help, but nothing worked at all.
I can't get L1, Oh no, or L2 to work.

If I enter in the L2-....com fix thing it just brings up a "made by somebdy..." message. and nothing. Typing anything after that brings up: "<<< EXEC ERROR >>>"


does any of what I went through sound familiar? I mean do you do the same thing and it works or is my computer doing something different? Because it was always like this for me-- it's why I haven't used DOS box. Doing something different works for a minute but eventually runs into another problem.