Not sure I will be able to join but I followed just in case

Quote from: IchoTolot on March 09, 2025, 02:00:58 PMHere are my resolves. 

I am still unsure though if these are now indeed intended. 

This is unexpected but all your replays are actually fine!

Spoiler

Scando 01 - Cabinet of Curiosities
I still need to find a way to enforce the basher to be released by a bomber at the begining but otherwise this is perfect.

Scando 16 - Take Five
I think it's the first time I see a replay to this level being so close to my solution! I may be able to fix this level after all.

Impero 06 - Hypostyle Freestyle
Perfect

Impero 08 - Forbidden Friendship
Perfect

Impero 12 - Emeraldpunk 5047
Also perfect, except you managed to make the last bomber timing less tight. May need a little fix, but otherwise I'm happy with your replay.

Impero 14 - A tad mad, a tad rad!
Aaand finally, an almost perfect replay to this level! I mean, you did everything correctly but your timing is a bit different which made the end of the level longer. Otherwise this is pretty neat.

Congrats on solving all of these 

I updated the attachment with the latest version of the pack, which fixes (or tries to fix) backroutes for the following levels :

Scando 01 - Cabinet of Curiosities
Scando 16 - Take Five
Impero 06 - Hypostyle Freestyle
Impero 08 - Forbidden Friendship
Impero 12 - Emeraldpunk 5047
Impero 14 - A tad mad, a tad rad!

Hey Swerdis!

I hope you'll enjoy the ride. The first rank is probably the most uneven one. Some later levels need fixing to prevent some of IchoTolot's backroutes, I'm planning on doing this very soon. When this is done I will make an update here so you will be able to get the fixed version

Thank you for your feedback, can't wait to read the rest of it!

Cheers

@IchoTolot thank you for your updated replays! I should have written feedback about your replays ages ago so I apologize about this. Anyway, I had time last night so there it is:

This will only be about my own levels, I will let Dodochacalo manage his own.

First of all, loooots of your solutions are on point I listed only a few backroutes, most of them should be easy to fix:

Scando 01 - Cabinet of Curiosities
Most of your solution is correct but I would like the bombers to free the worker each time. Not sure how to make it mandatory for the basher, but I think I can at least fix this for the miner.

Scando 16 - Take Five
This level is very backroute-prone and I accept most of them as long as they're not too nasty. Yours is a bit

Impero 06 - Hypostyle Freestyle
Here again your solution is mostly correct but the way you use diggers to get past one of the pillars feels wrong to me

Impero 08 - Forbidden Friendship
Well this was entertaining and painful at the same time

Impero 12 - Emeraldpunk 5047
What you did is mostly correct, but I guess my last edit of this level opened more backroutes. This one looks easy to fix.

Impero 14 - A tad mad, a tad rad!
Another very backroute-prone level, I'll try another fix to prevent the way you free the blocker.

I listed a few other levels to which your solutions were different than mine, but I'm ok with them:

Proficio 02 - Maintenance Staff on the Loose
Proficio 06 - Low Tide (clever use of the blocker here!)
Proficio 18 - Dual Flavored Swirls
Scando 13 - They came at night
Impero 11 - Funhouse Shmunhouse


Thank you again and well done solving the whole pack! It was really nice to watch most of the levels not being destroyed. I even think you're the first one to solve False Happiness as intended! Kudos

The pack has been updated with various fixes to block backroutes and other minor edits, following @kaywhyn's LP

[edit] - I will also have to process Ichotolot's replays! Still more work to do   

Hello!

I didn't see your messages earlier. I subscribed to this topic to receive email alerts but I guess the last forums updates canceled it.

Anyway, I'm pumped about your feedback @kaywhyn! I only read half of it for now and will continue later.

It was kind of a nightmare to order the levels as a few things had to be taken into account: difficulty of course, but we also wanted to space Dodo's levels equally inside the ranks because he had fewer levels and we didn't want them to be all crammed together. We also had feedback from a few players that tested the levels and took this into account.

I will watch your LP for sure and will probably answer some of your questions as I go!
Thank you so much for taking time to play, record and write such detailed feedback on our levels.

I also noticed your message @IchoTolot and will download your replays.


Much love, and see you around!

Thanks Icho!

I'm not sure when I'll take some time to watch your replays, but I sure will at some point. Hope you enjoyed the pack!

QuoteI noticed Incipio_15 and  Incipio_04 having the same level-ID as the mass replays checker tries to solve one version of the level with the replay of the other.
Consider giving those 2 levels different level-IDs in the editor.

Hum, could this be because of a copy and paste of the level when the repeat was created? If so, there may be similar issues with Blood and Fire / Fire and Blood and Low Tide / High Tide. I'll take a look at this when I get back into Lemmings.

Update is out! Here is a list of the levels we fixed following Armani's replays:

Proficio 03 - The Wall
Proficio 05 - Fire & Blood
Proficio 08 - Snowpiercer
Proficio 09 - From A to B and Back Again
Proficio 10 - Ancient Astronauts
Proficio 12 - Paved With Good Intentions
Proficio 17 - Bad Reflection
Proficio 20 - Eclectic Power

Scando 02 - A Tome to Kill and a Time to Save
Scando 04 - Newton's Cradle
Scando 07 - Rooftop Run
Scando 09 - Save Our Souls
Scando 14 - 20,000 Lems JUnder the Sea
Scando 16 - Take Five
Scando 19 - Return to the Shire

Impero 02 - Satanorium
Impero 05 - Perfectenschlag
Impero 10 - The Lemmings Survey Corps
Impero 12 - Emeraldpunk_5047
Impero 13 - Honey, I Shrunk the Lems
Impero 14 - A tad mad, a tad rad!
Impero 17 - To Protect and to Serve
Impero 18 - False Happiness

QuoteUpdated levels sounds great! I really like the ideas and hard work that went into this level pack. It's a beautiful pack that is "packed" with amazing fun! I'm enjoying it now, but shall wait for the updated levels to play more of it. You guys are great with this! Excellent teamwork involved here.

Thank you so much Mobiethan! Hopefully you'll enjoy the rest of it

Hey Icho, thanks a lot! Glad to know you enjoyed the first rank.
I'll take a look at your replays later when I got some time. We still need to update the pack. I think we fixed all of Armani's backroute but I need to get in touch with Dodochacalo to get his edits. Hopefully we can do this quickly enough so you'll be able to play the updated levels.

Well done completing the pack @Armani! We already commented about your solutions on your videos. We will update the pack soon to fix the backroutes.

@Mobius it's nice to know you're enjoying the levels! Written feedback is fine, don't worry about it.

@Armani

Some levels may be considered breathers when one is already familiar with the tricks they require. This makes ranking some levels quite difficult. Do we take the original Lemmings games as reference or do we assume most players are now familiar with such tricks as the digger being turned around by a blocker? What if a new player comes around and gets stuck on a very early level because they don't know any of these tricks? This is a pickle

I'm glad you liked level 10, this is the very last one I made for the pack. It's indeed purely made with the dirt tileset but I cheated a little by abusing the group tool. I made single pixel terrain pieces in order to add some details.

Take Five may be too convoluted for its own good, and it's quite broken anyway. Your backroute will be easy to block but I'm sure others will be found very quickly.

Also I think you switched your commentaries about levels 6 and 7?

A word about some of Dodochacalo's levels! It's great you solved Hanging Gardens as intended, I think it's an excellent level. You backrouted Rooftop Run and Save Our Souls though, two of my favorite levels of his. I know he's already working on fixing them. Hopefully you'll be able to replay them to solve them as intended

Awesome, this is truly impressive work!
My favorite may be Autumn, along with Mosaic and Palace. They look gorgeous!

@92Dexter11 The preview screenshot looks gorgeous

Thank you Armani for the detailed feedback! I already watched your Proficio 1 video yesterday and will watch the second video today to comment on your solutions
It's nice that you're trying to find the intended solution after backrouting a level!

Some levels are probably misplaced and we may change the order at some point after getting enough feedback. Also it's cool to know you're enjoying the few talismans we put there. Some of them, like in Smells Like Team Spirit and Attack of the Big Root Thingies are there to nudge toward the intended solutions.

I think I'll write some details about the levels, like title references and stuff. Not sure if it's best to do this in the topic or in a readme file like I did for PimoLems. Or both maybe