Lemmings Revolution Level 11-10 ("Lemming be thy name")

The following video shows my solution (see also my posts above) to achieve the "maximum lemmings saved record" for this level mentioned by LemSteven (57 out of 60 lemmings). I optimized my strategy slightly in terms of time, so that there are still over 2 minutes left at the end.

Quote from: mobius on March 16, 2018, 09:18:50 PMBad: Pirohiko exposes a very lame backroute which bypasses the entire level. Though this might actually be a little harder to pull off then most other ways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKAnJ2eLqzk&list=PL0750E99D04921FDE&index=28

"Designed with love" seems to have meant to the designer that the exit should be surrounded by attractive tree trunks instead of ugly steel. Well, that's one way to do it... and I'm certainly grateful for the opportunity to complete the level as quickly as possible.

The following video is a time-optimized version of the Pirohiko backroute. The stairs are placed a bit more efficiently, and the last lemming boards the balloon in well under two minutes...

Quote from: LemSteven on August 15, 2020, 02:22:31 AM11-4: Let's get those fingers moving
Bad: ... although it really doesn't affect the solution much, there is a big chunk of steel that is actually mineable.

Very short video of the mineable steel mentioned by LemSteven.

Quote from: mobius on September 06, 2018, 01:01:04 AM7-7: Swarthy Seadogs!

I'd like to add two interesting details about this level that can be used to complete it faster.

a) The lever that empties the aquarium also summons a deadly shredder. As Kaywhyn discovered, the aquarium remains empty if you return the lever to its original position. The shredder, however, becomes harmless again.

b) Walkthroughs  for this level (including the one in the Lemmings wiki) recommend using a safety net for the fall from the middle platform. This is completely unnecessary. Even though it is hard to see, the fall height from the top platform is greater than from the middle platform.

In the following video, I used the points mentioned above to get all 100 Lemmings into the balloon within 2 minutes.


P. S.: I also played this level in the so-called "big demo" (which can be downloaded from Lemmings Universe) in order to test if the splat height of this level has been affected by any patch. But also in the demo, the fall from the middle platform was below splat height.

Quote from: mobius on December 05, 2022, 12:39:42 AM12-6 Last One to the Top.....
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I've never had a weasel be set free and not die from the shredders but that seems like a remote possibility.

It is indeed possible. I was a bit shocked today when I thought I had won the game with 100% and suddenly the weasel appeared...

Quote from: mobius on September 19, 2018, 12:11:11 AMUnder and Up is one of the main candidates (which I mentioned earlier) as seeming to indicate that they intentionally created backroutes in some of these levels. As to why; I have no idea.

Level 8.3 "Under and Up" is usually solved via a backroute. This solution assumes the lava pit hasn't been emptied, uses all three switches, and relies heavily on the teleporters. It should be close to the intended solution.

This improved solution saves 60 of 60 Lemmings

11-13: The Diving Board

Quote from: LemSteven on June 26, 2011, 07:19:28 AMLemmings Revolution
(100% unless noted)

The level "Diving Board" isn't mentioned in LemSteven's list, so one might assume it's 100% solvable. However, I couldn't find a video of a 100% version; even YouTuber Pirohiko only managed a 99/100 solution. The reason for this quickly became clear when I played the level myself: you have to turn two Lemmings into blockers, but you can only use the "reset a bomber" glitch on one of them because you only have one bomb available. At that moment, I remembered an old post by ccexplore where he mentioned that nuking can also be used for the "reset a bomber" method:

Quote from: ccexplore on December 16, 2011, 10:25:51 PMBombers

• reset a bomber:  after a bomber finishes the countdown ("oh-no") but before he actually explodes, you can assign a non-bomber, non-permanent skill, and this will "reset" him so he doesn't explode.  This works on blockers about to explode too, so you can free a blocker this way.
• The same glitch above also works with lemmings about to explode due to nuking, after the nuke countdown finishes when the lemmings start their "oh-no".

So I waited until all the Lemmings were in the balloon and then pressed "nuke." And indeed, the "reset a bomber" worked. You can find some pictures of it attached.

Quote from: mobius on September 19, 2018, 12:11:11 AM8-4 Nice Shootin' Tex!
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Bad: Other than that there isn't much to this level. It's just 1 long builder bridge, some timed bombers (blah) and sacrificing some lemmings to close the door at the top. I found this level sort of bland.

I agree with mobius that the level seems boring at first glance. But ccexplore and LemSteven have creatively thought about this level and found two different solutions for how to save the 5 lemmings that are normally sacrificed to clear the way to the balloon:

Quote from: ccexplore on December 29, 2011, 10:02:31 AMLemmings Revolution level 8-4 ("Nice shootin' tex!") improved to 46/50.  This one actually turns out to be a nice, tricky challenge-style puzzle with only one miscellaneous glitch at the end (which merely saves 1 more).  Due to the time limit, unfortunately I can't use this method for 47/50.

Quote from: LemSteven on January 18, 2012, 07:09:54 AMI found another (easier) way of getting 46/50 on Lemmings Revolution level 8-4 (Nice shootin' tex).  This one is completely glitch-free, and uses less skills and has more time left over than the one ccexplore presented (which was still very good, incidentally).  Unfortunately, despite the spare skills, I doubt this method can be improved to save 47/50.

I have successfully tested both strategies (see the attached images).

Quote from: LemSteven on July 11, 2020, 02:37:26 AM10-5: Scale that wall....
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Bad: With good timing, you can reach the top of the wall without activating the speed-up pad.  Meanwhile, with poor timing, it is possible to fail even if you do activate the speed-up pad.  Without many extra skills to stall with, getting the timing right is a matter of trial and error.

There's only one anti-gravity pad in this level. I don't like how the flipped ones are treated like disposable items. There also seems to be a bug with the flipped ones. If you watch ColorfulArty's (final) video of this level, for example, you can see a flipped one just disappear.

Quote from: LemSteven on June 26, 2011, 07:19:28 AMLemmings Revolution

3-3: 18/20

I've been puzzling over how LemSteven managed to save 18 out of 20 lemmings in level 3.3 ("Block and Bomb"). He doesn't seem to have offered any explanation for this, at least I couldn't find one. Today I discovered a very simple way to achieve this result. You simply let the lemmings fall directly into the balloon. Apparently, they survive every fall this way. Attached is a picture of the result.

Quote from: LemSteven on September 23, 2012, 11:14:36 PMLevel 11-8 (Speedy Gonzalez): 100% (Previous record was 52/53).

I followed the strategy suggested by LemSteven. The only issue I found with it was that the two individual lemmings, one of which becomes the trailblazer, walk much closer together than under the usual strategy. This is because "Speedy Gonzalez" only builds one staircase instead of two, and the switch is also flipped by another lemming. I recorded a video of it, and if anyone is interested, I could upload it to YouTube.

Quote from: mobius on November 10, 2022, 03:58:23 PM11-12 Two Laps Finale

50 Lemmings, save all
6:15

1 floater, bomber and blocker. 13 builders, 1 miner


Good:
After a string of backroutes and way too easy levels finally, a decent challenge.

I have a nice backroute for this level. No teleporters or switches touched and three builders left...

Quote from: LemSteven on December 15, 2011, 11:59:41 PMEDIT: Taking another look through my scores, I improved 11-7 (Don't Let them out!) to 49/50, glitch-free.  Fairly straightforward, actually.

Well, today I found a way to achieve 49/50. I guess one can call it "glitch-free" and "fairly straightforward", but of course it uses the well know backdoor.

I also have a version which does not use the backdoor. Here I achieve 48/50.

Ok, now I finally managed to save 57 lemmings.

Two stacks of blockers are needed for this. The first is made up of three "oh-noers" (see the Pirohiko video), the second of two floaters and one "oh-no" lemming. The aforementioned staircase is also part of the solution. Attached are a few screenshots of my video.

In the meantime, I've managed to optimize the Pirohiko strategy a bit. I replaced a bomber with a staircase. This way, I can now save 56 out of 60 lemmings. The bridge must be placed precisely (see the attached image). Of course one could also optimize the bombing itself and then use the staircase to save all of the three stacked blockers. Nevertheless, it's still a mystery to me how to achieve 57 saves.