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Title: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic - Notes
Post by: WillLem on March 24, 2021, 03:57:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dC8tQho.png)



(https://i.imgur.com/LJefR2R.png)
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 24, 2021, 03:58:30 PM
I just uploaded this a few minutes ago but forgot to allow multiple options: one person voted for Option B in the previous poll.
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: NieSch on March 24, 2021, 07:29:35 PM
I love the traditional ones. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: Strato Incendus on March 24, 2021, 08:10:04 PM
Traditional Lemminas would be something we're still lacking, so I'd also prefer those! :thumbsup:

I've already made a sprite set similar to your C type, because female lemmings with red shirts + blond hair is the standard combination for Lix.

I don't think I've shared those Lix sprites publicly yet, though. :evil: They are part of the sprite sets I'm preparing for "Lemmings, Drugs, & Rock 'n Roll".
But if others are interested in using them, too, I can share them early to avoid redundancy of similar-looking sprites.
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 24, 2021, 08:57:06 PM
Well, there certainly seems to be a healthy amount of interest in having traditional coloured Lemminas, so this will happen. I'll make them available as an optional spriteset, with instructions for how to implement them in a level/pack.

However, I'll likely use a different set as the official Lemminas II set, since I would like it to have its own look. D is looking promising, and it's a favourite of mine, but I do like the blondies as well...

It's a long way off yet anyway, so there's plenty of time to settle on something.
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: mantha16 on March 24, 2021, 09:53:12 PM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo PINK
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 24, 2021, 09:56:27 PM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo PINK

Yeah, that too :crylaugh:

Thing is, I really want II to have its own visual theme. And, there's nothing stopping you modding your own copy if you want the classic pink gals ;) I'll even give instructions for how to do this when I release the pack.

So, it makes sense to provide a new set this time.
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: mantha16 on March 24, 2021, 09:57:44 PM

So, it makes sense to provide a new set this time.

yes make them pinker more pink
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 24, 2021, 10:58:21 PM

So, it makes sense to provide a new set this time.

yes make them pinker more pink

Pink hair might be cool. I'll likely experiment with a few combinations until I find something that feels right.
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: mantha16 on March 24, 2021, 11:12:40 PM
PINKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 25, 2021, 12:05:19 AM
Mantha, you seems to like pink. That's the message I'm getting from what you're saying. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken :lemcat:
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: mantha16 on March 25, 2021, 12:06:23 AM
nah cant stand it :forehead:
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 25, 2021, 10:41:17 AM
Possible idea, since the Traditionals are so popular:

Traditional Lemminas (B) as defaults, Sonic Lemminas (D) as athletes, Surreal Lemminas (E) as neutrals (to get the blondies in there) ... Badass Lemminas (F) as zombies? They're essentially rebels - don't exit, don't take orders.

Reasoning: athletes happen a lot, so it's worth having something equally cool for that state.

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Counterpoint: it might be good to have the Traditional Lemminas follow "Default" lem colour scheme behaviour, so keeping these as a separate theme could still be a good idea.
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: Armani on March 27, 2021, 02:54:04 PM
Badass Lemminas as zombies???

I hope Lemminas2 will have a lot of zombie levels. 8-)
Title: Re: [POLL] Lemminas II Sprites [POLL]
Post by: WillLem on March 27, 2021, 03:31:12 PM
Badass Lemminas as zombies???

I hope Lemminas2 will have a lot of zombie levels. 8-)

If there's a way to override the zombie sound then I might just do this. The current one probs wouldn't really fit the theme, which puts me off the idea.
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic
Post by: WillLem on January 13, 2022, 03:50:09 PM
Still deliberating on the sprites, but I have several possibilities lined up:

Option A - Use the "sonic lemminas" (sprite C in the OP) as regulars and have their tunics be slightly darker for athletes. Zombie and neutral lemminas will remain the same as in the first Lemminas pack.

Pro: New look for a new pack
Con: Players have to get used to a new colour scheme
Con: I'll either have to tie this theme to each style or create these as new sprites, both of which are options I don't really like

Option B - Use the original lemminas (sprite A in the OP), keeping everything the same as in the first pack.

Pro: Keeps everything familiar
Pro: Further establishes the identity of the Lemminas
Pro: No work required
Con: No new look for a new pack

Option C - Use a totally different coloured set for each level theme. Zombie and neutral lemminas will remain the same as in the first Lemminas pack.

Pro: Takes "new look for a new pack" to another level
Pro: Gives each new style/theme totally its own identity
Con: Too much like Lemmings 2: The Tribes
Con: Players have to get used to several new colour schemes
Con: More work (although I'm using theme.nxtm for recolouring, so it's not that much more work)
Con: Ties each theme to the style, which I'd rather not do



Meanwhile, I've now completed at least draft versions of all 50 levels, and 3 of the 5 new tunes are basically finished. There's still a ways to go before it's "demo ready", but it's all coming along nicely :lemcat:

Here's a sneak peek of one of the new tiles. It's an exit for the new "honey" style:

(https://i.imgur.com/MdpNaUE.png)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic
Post by: Dullstar on January 13, 2022, 10:06:47 PM
I'd go with Option B or Option C. If you can pick a consistent color for Zombies and Neutrals (which it sounds like you're already planning), I don't think the color schemes will be an issue, particularly if you use the convention of swapping hair and tunic colors for Option C (I don't remember what the original Lemminas does), and of all the things you can potentially complain about with Lemmings 2, I don't think the recolors per tribe are one of them. If anything they add a little diversity to the Lemmings.
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic
Post by: WillLem on January 22, 2022, 01:53:18 PM
OK, so.....

I've decided to go for Option C (i.e. giving each "world" its own sprites). If anyone has any objections to this decision, now's the time to tell me! Any feedback regarding this after the release date (currently slated for late Feb) will be ignored ;P

It should only add a couple of hours' extra editing work (one of the sets has a patterned tunic, which means manually editing those sprites - the others will be recoloured via theme.nxmi which is much quicker) and it ultimately seems worth it.

So far I've been aiming to iron out a lot of the kinks of the first Lemminas pack and make it even more accessible and with better-designed levels, whilst also adding a touch more variation in the decoration ;P I'm really hoping that Lemminas II will prove to be a step-up in quality for my level packs generally.

Speaking of levels, these are coming along very nicely and should be ready for testing very soon so please do let me know if you'd be interesting in volunteering for a test drive of the pack - it will be much appreciated! (Music is almost finished as well, I'll probably aim to get this finished before going into testing phase) :lemcat:
Title: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic - PLAYTESTERS WANTED :)
Post by: WillLem on February 13, 2022, 01:26:42 PM
Hey everyone, Lemminas II is ready for playtesting! Would anyone like to volunteer to give it a first look? I’m hoping to get 2 testers if possible, let me know if you’re interested :lemcat:
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic - PLAYTESTERS WANTED :)
Post by: Apjjm on February 13, 2022, 03:12:35 PM
I would be interested to playtest :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II Development Topic - PLAYTESTERS WANTED :)
Post by: WillLem on February 15, 2022, 01:19:59 PM
OK, thanks! I have 2 playtesters now so I'll get the pack sent across to those who have volunteered :thumbsup: