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Title: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: David on March 10, 2021, 10:31:29 PM

Hello everybody !

I just made 3 new tilesets using Rayman's worlds graphics 1  : music, jungle and image. I had already made candy’s tileset, that I would have liked to improve... but I don't think it's advisable to "rework" a tileset that we have already "published" !!! :(

1) The 3 styles (https://mega.nz/file/7Y1WTIBK#2om8gv9sPo8TtgyWJPjMg_jlcWL4qi2pAbCv1-wmNIw) to download and drag into styles folder ! :thumbsup:
(Sorry, the zip file is a bit large due to the many backgrounds…)

2) The 4 levels (https://mega.nz/file/eVtkQaYA#Nj5Mlbb16ukSsTlexjj3Mc2WnF0wX-WdnNIu3zXPAyc) that I made with these graphics :

Hurdy-gurdy :
(https://i.imgur.com/CVAQqri.png)

Drums galore :
(https://i.imgur.com/f0rw60B.png)

Wizard duel :
(https://i.imgur.com/xqp2SNh.png)

The dreams forest :
(https://i.imgur.com/cuIZE0b.png)

Bye ! ;P :lemcat:

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: WillLem on March 12, 2021, 02:01:36 AM

Lush! :lemcat: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: David on March 15, 2021, 03:09:42 PM

Thanks WillLem ! :thumbsup:

Rayman and Lemmings were the two games of my childhood. It's great to be able to play Lemmings with Rayman's graphics ! 8-) :crylaugh: :lemcat:

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: kaywhyn on September 11, 2021, 09:20:37 AM

Hello David,

I have solved all 4 of the levels. My replays are attached. These are really nice looking levels! :thumbsup: Very well-done here, your pro artistic abilities definitely show a lot here. Out of these, I was stuck on Hurdy-gurdy the longest (see spoiler). Hence, it was the hardest level for me, and I even began to wonder if the level was even possible. However, some time ago Turrican posted his video solution to the level, therefore it was proof to me that the level is indeed 100% possible. However, I dared not watch his video until I got it solved myself, which I was finally able to yesterday on my own. I watched to compare after I solved it, and our solutions are the same, with the exception of two skills that we did in a different order near the exit.

Hurdy-gurdy (click to show/hide)

Wow, this one was a very hard one for me. I solved the other 3 much quicker, but I was stuck here for months! It turns out that I did a lot of things incorrectly. For example, many of my attempts had me going through the bottom on the right side. However, this would cause a lot of problems getting through the area with the fire trap, where it is a bit visually deceptive. Also, by doing this you will always be at least a skill short. I just kept trying this, but no matter what I couldn't get it solved. For example, two stackers is enough to get a lemming to jump to the part with the fire trap, but then you don't have anything to turn the climber around due to no more stackers available.

Figuring out how to get the lone Lemming to the other side is hard, and also getting up to the exit as well! I also hated how a lot of things kept failing by at least a single pixel :evil: For example, platforming at the beginning and jumping doesn't work, as the Lemming does not even land on terrain, as it is short by a pixel. That being said, the platforming and then jumping to land on the musical note at the bottom is very precise. I would definitely reduce the precision there, especially since it's not very clear that it will work.

I then just started playing around by having the lone Lemming go through the top of the instrument and seeing if I could do other parts more efficiently later on. My breakthrough was when I tried bashing and then cancel him midstroke with a walker and see that he can step up out of the tunnel to be on top. I think the rest of the solution came easily after that. I would also say it's very hard to see that 3 builders is enough to get to the exit, at the place where you mine the crowd out.

But yes, I got to say this was the hardest level for me out of the other 3. It was mostly due to how I couldn't figure out how to use the walkers for a very long time. I thought they were used to cancel a stacker before it got too high for the others to step up. Very nice level, but a bit too heavy on the precision for my liking. Very well hidden solution.

Drums galore (click to show/hide)

Another somewhat hard one, although I think my solution isn't exactly intended, as I have two builders leftover.

Wizard duel (click to show/hide)

Very nice level, probably my favorite of all! ;) That's a really interesting teleporter object, as well as 1-time bomb traps. Once again, I would maybe reduce the precision a bit, especially the beginning with the jumping and then shimmying. I especially like the long bashing sections, although I would maybe reduce the precision there as well, as this appears to be the minimum in which a basher is able to successfully keep going. Keep in mind that just because framestepping tools exist doesn't mean one should make very precision heavy levels. Levels that have a lot of it tend to be bad level design. Even more for those who prefer to play the levels at a natural pace without needing to pause frequently. I'm kind of in this camp myself.

The dreams forest (click to show/hide)

Nice level, especially visually. A little too much jumping for my liking, although that's because I happened to use a lot of them in my solution. This one seems to be the most open-ended out of the other levels, so any solution that works should be fine here

Again, nice job with these tilesets! :) Hope you're doing well and we get to see you around here again sometime soon.

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: David on November 01, 2021, 07:33:26 PM

Hello kaywhyn,

I am pleased to discover your message, but with a little delay... I'm very well, thank you. I hope you too. I will look at your solutions and provide detailed feedback in a few days. I will also take this opportunity to add to the list the two Rayman 1 tilesets that I created : davidz_raymancake and davidz_raymancave. I also just found Turrican's solutions on Utube, I'll look at them (and take the time to read your discussions with him in the comments !).

Bye ! ;P

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Here, the 2 new styles (https://mega.nz/file/zJFDRSaR#2fBMfPjcyk5a57Skqq0hl2H8xOOff6EcXbufJJSgfXE) !
:thumbsup:

Tileset "cake" (example) - this is an improved version of "raymancandy" :
(https://i.imgur.com/tFaVFyl.jpg)

Tileset "cave" (example) :
(https://i.imgur.com/Vv1Th2U.jpg)

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: David on November 03, 2021, 12:44:07 PM

Hello again kaywhyn,

Here are my feedback :

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1) Drums galore : Indeed, your solution is a little backroute, but it's done well ! I will have to fix the problem. :-[

2) Hurdy-gurdy : This is exactly the intended solution. Well done ! The beginning, with the passage from the top, is, in fact, the most difficult part. I understand it took you some time to solve this level. ;)

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Very nice level, but a bit too heavy on the precision for my liking. Very well hidden solution.

I agree, the level requires extreme precision in several places, and that is probably a bit too much. :D

3) The dreams forest : Bravo !

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Nice level, especially visually.

Yes, this is an easier level than the others, which doesn’t require much thought. I just wanted to create a "nice" level visually. There must be a countless number of solutions close to yours.

4) Wizard duel : Well done, this is exactly the intended solution.

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Keep in mind that just because framestepping tools exist doesn't mean one should make very precision heavy levels.

Yes, I agree with you, the level is getting less likable when it’s too difficult to "perform". I will try to be careful in the future. Thank you !

I also looked at Turrican's solutions : his solutions and yours are very similar.

Thank you both !
:thumbsup:

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: Strato Incendus on February 14, 2022, 06:34:34 PM

Question: Do I need to update rayman candy now? I've used it on quite a few of my Lemmings, Drugs, & Rock 'n Roll levels.

Title: Re: Rayman’s tilesets
Post by: Turrican on February 14, 2022, 06:56:56 PM

Quote from: Strato Incendus on February 14, 2022, 06:34:34 PM

Question: Do I need to update rayman candy now? I've used it on quite a few of my Lemmings, Drugs, & Rock 'n Roll levels.

No. Rayman cake , counts as a different tileset.