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Title: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on December 25, 2019, 04:17:58 AM
First off... Merry Christmas!

And with that I proudly announce the official release of my new pack.

Lemmings Destination

A new pack of Lemmings levels from the mind of a lunatic that promises a unique and mind-boggling pack of adventure, romance, and salvation.

Can you guide your favorite rodents through 100 new levels filled with dangerous traps and locations from the literal burning pits of hell to morally questionable factories... all under a kick-butt soundtrack.


Music Installation

This pack contains optional custom music (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vpjyd64izh4dc0e/Lemmings_Destination_Music.zip?dl=1). Extract directly into your main NeoLemmix folder.


Warnings

The creator of this pack is not responsible for the following:

- Loss of hair
- Loss of sleep
- Loss of sanity
- Elevator music
- Corrupted data (???)


Story

Almost 200 years after "The Great Lemming Migration" and its story is now a mere legend that only a handful of elders can remember inaccurately. Regardless, our cute little rodents have accomplished grand things in the meantime. They have build a new metropolis from the ground up that serves as a sanctuary to all Lemmings from around the world. A sanctuary to all lemmings who wish to escape the mysterious "cataclysm" and to escape the on-going need to solve puzzles in dangerous landscapes just to migrate to warmer climates. It's time to go beyond survival and reach one destination that will end all destinations.


Difficulties

This pack is divided into seven ranks:

1. Helium (Easy levels)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv2h2w0zvt3mjkh/helium-final-preview.png?dl=1)

Rock Is Mine

These levels are nice and light, and you may simply float through them. Don't get too comfortable though, as these levels aren't complete pushovers. X-of-everything levels are rare as your first simple puzzles with limited skills will be presented right away!


2. Neon (Tricky levels)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tn2gbppmbs51ls/neon-final-preview.png?dl=1)

You Belong With Me

Now the neon glow of menacing difficulty will begin. These levels are some more simple puzzles with limited skills, but solutions require a little bit more thinking now.


3. Argon (Challenging levels)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdw8wjtaek0vswc/argon-final-preview.png?dl=1)

Restricted Area
   
Things start getting heavier now. The levels start becoming a bit more complex and solutions will challenge your ideals and beliefs... well no just your solving skills really.


4. Xenon (Very challenging levels)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j0on05k9miryoyq/xenon-final-preview.png?dl=1)

Life With Mystery
   
Here we are at the odd child of the five ranks. They take pride in their penultimate position and will gladly start presenting you with some tough levels that are almost borderline insanity.


5. Radon (Just-ripe-your-hair-out levels)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/50oqohftllrazwl/radon-final-preview.png?dl=1)

Cannibal Festival

Levels are now just radioactive, and a huge health risk to anyone unprepared. You've come too far now, can you really turn back? Levels are even more complex and require max creative thinking on how you use all your skills and how you approach even the simplest of strategies. Just remember to never give up!


6. Synthetic (Bonus Levels)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/82nroaufvs6x7ui/synthetic-final-preview.png?dl=1)

A Quiet Place

Because a bonus rank is always the best rank right? Made in a lab and unable to occur in nature, these levels are mostly contest levels gathered together into one rank.


Special Thanks To The Following

- DMA for creating Lemmings
- namida for creating NeoLemmix
- Nepster for all the work he has done in maintaining NeoLemmix. We miss you :(
- Everyone who converted and/or creating all the tilesets used in this pack
- Everyone who allowed me to use some music tracks from their own respective packs
- Flopsy, Wafflem, and Akseli for pre-releasing testing
- And the Lemmings Forum community for just being awesome in general. This pack would be nothing if it weren't for all their inspiration and support!



November 13, 2017 - December 25, 2019


Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on December 25, 2019, 04:18:13 AM
Music Credits (click to show/hide)

Fun Facts (click to show/hide)



Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: NieSch on December 26, 2019, 09:53:55 AM
That's a great Christmas present! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on December 29, 2019, 10:22:28 AM
Another pack I need to play soon. ;)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Flopsy on December 30, 2019, 12:14:28 PM
Sorry for being a little overdue but I just wanted to say that it was very good fun testing this pack and congratulations on finally releasing it, I hope my pack can shortly follow this :)

As a benchmark, when I was testing this pack. I was able to solve pretty much all of the first 3 ranks, about half of Rank 4 and virtually none of Rank 5. Rank 5 is definitely no push over, it's on a par with some of the hardest levels in the Lemmings community.

Sadly I cannot LP this pack myself due to being a tester, I wish I could LP this pack though because it is a very high quality one!
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on January 29, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
As this pack is still LOTY 2019 relevant, I need to catch up on this first before solving Festival Millas 2019 and the rest of Lemmings World Tour. :)

So, I started today and solved the first rank. I must say these were pretty great pack entry levels :thumbsup:  I also got a few Pieuw vibes here and there. ;)

Although I would change the topic to "Medium-Very Hard" as I still would think beginners would definitly struggle a lot here.

Great levels again. :thumbsup:

This definitly earns a "Da kann man nicht meckern" from me!

(https://i.imgur.com/YTAFZNU.jpg)



I attached my replays. :)


Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Strato Incendus on January 30, 2020, 10:09:51 AM
Thanks for reminding me of this pack, IchoTolot! :thumbsup: I had completely forgotten about it! But the levels look amazing, and Lemmings Migration was already great*. So I should really give this one a try as well!

*(My judgment may be also be influenced by the fact that it's also one of the few "puzzly" packs that I've managed to solve in its entirety so far. :D So for me, it was the ideal combination of "challenging and complex, but still fun", rather than "so admirably challenging that it becomes annoying".)

I do expect this pack to be more difficult than Lemmings Migration, though, so let's see how far I'll make it...! ;)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on January 30, 2020, 08:31:21 PM
2nd rank fnished. :)

I had 1 or 2 levels where I might found a slight backroute.

I attached all my solutions
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on February 02, 2020, 09:02:40 PM
As these seem a higher priority to me, I sarted Radon today.

It went pretty well and the first 15 out of the 20 levels are solved, although I know some of these are backroutes. :devil: 

I attached my solutions. :)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on February 03, 2020, 08:49:01 PM
And here is the rest of Radon. :)

That leaves rank 3, 4 and the Bonus one.
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: WillLem on February 05, 2020, 01:04:33 AM
:party:

FINALLY found a 100% save solution for Helium 11 Ride The Nessy! :lemcat:

EDIT: And... now I've finished all the Helium levels! I have to admit, these tested my solving abilities a lot! Probably indicative of the general level of ability on the forum being very high.

Great pack so far, I'll come back and have a go at Neon soon. For now, I feel enough of a sense of achievement having got through just the first rank! :crylaugh: :lemcat:
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on February 07, 2020, 09:21:38 PM
2 more ranks finished and only Xenon remains to be solved. :)

I think found more backroutes as well (also in the synthetic rank).

Replay collection attached.
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on February 09, 2020, 04:50:58 PM
And completed the pack. 8-)

I think I found quite a few backroutes in the Xenon rank though! :devil:

Replay collection is attached,
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on February 18, 2020, 01:49:55 AM
First of all thank you so much everyone for your very kind comments and replays :thumbsup:

I deeply apologize for the lack of any type of feedback posted on here after checking your replays. My interest and motivation for Lemmings went rock bottom after completing the pack and I think it just sought of happened after completing a larger project that was a lot more ambitions on every level than my previous pack. I know it's not a good excuse but it is the truth. I do hope to slowly go over everything this week and at least give you guys something even if it's just feedback on the easier ranks. Thank you for your patience and I hope to slowly regain my interest and motivation again :)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on May 06, 2020, 03:55:52 PM
Hello again and thank you for your patience. I am now and finally in the process of looking over replays carefully and fixing levels. Once I update all levels that have been backrouted I'll post a detailed log of what was changed/fixed along with the updated version of the pack in the original post.

In the meantime I have updated the second post of this thread with some music credits and some fun facts about selected levels from the pack :) It'll also be updated regularly with hints on selected levels as more feedback comes in.
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on June 30, 2020, 02:20:17 AM
V1.1 is FINALLY out :thumbsup:

Changelog/Backroute Fixes (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: ericderkovits on July 06, 2020, 02:13:42 AM
hi I downloaded the Lemmings Destination pack and in
Level 10 of neon (Stack Of Packaged Sand) I still completed level with only using 1 climber. (replay)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on July 06, 2020, 10:54:28 PM
Thanks for playing ericderkovits!

Yeah it looks like my attempt at fixing a previous backroute in Neon 10 created a horrible new one :forehead: Thanks for bringing it to my attention I'll go ahead and produce a fixed version during the next update :)
Title: Re: [NeoLemmix 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on July 16, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
Here are my updated replays. :)

There are still quite a few backroutes in it as it seems. :evil:
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on April 02, 2021, 01:54:29 PM
About 30,000 years ago my ancestors announced on a nearby cave wall an update to Lemmings Destination. It never came and it became a myth, but after all these years it's finally here!

Please see original post for the updated pack.

Backroute fixes and other small changes:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on April 02, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
About 30,000 years ago my ancestors announced on a nearby cave wall an update to Lemmings Destination. It never came and it became a myth, but after all these years it's finally here!

Please see original post for the updated pack.

Thanks for this, Nessy! :thumbsup: I'll probably start the LP of this pack in about a week or so :)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Armani on April 03, 2021, 04:49:35 AM
This is what I've been waiting for so long :thumbsup: Will try V1.2 this weekend :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: Armani on April 03, 2021, 06:39:27 AM
There were not that many broken replays from my side and here're my new replays.
The levels I had to resolved were
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: WillLem on April 03, 2021, 08:42:29 PM
@Nessy.

Although the advertised difficulty of this pack is "Easy-Very Hard", I would suggest a rating of "Medium-Advanced", based on this Difficulty Scale (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4664.msg80008#msg80008).

Having played through the first two ranks, I definitely would not say that the pack is "Easy" at this level by any means; it starts off at a fairly challenging Medium difficulty and escalates from there. Since Destination is often cited as a pack which misjudges its own difficulty, it's perhaps worth moving the bar slightly.
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: IchoTolot on April 17, 2021, 08:52:48 PM
I've resolved the levels + talismans.

I have a feeling that the ammount of backroutes was reduced drastically this time. :)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Easy-Very Hard]
Post by: joshescue18 on April 19, 2021, 04:02:06 PM
Here are my replays.
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: Nessy on April 24, 2021, 01:05:35 AM
Thank you guys so much for the quick replays :thumbsup: I will try to check them all out over the weekend and try to get an update out a year later from now lamo next week :P

Quote from: WillLem
Although the advertised difficulty of this pack is "Easy-Very Hard", I would suggest a rating of "Medium-Advanced", based on this Difficulty Scale (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4664.msg80008#msg80008).

IchoTolot also suggested this change but I forgot he did and this reminded me of that so I'll go ahead and change it :)


Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on April 24, 2021, 02:54:27 AM
Hi Nessy,

I assure you that I will look at your sequel pack soon, as soon as I can finish up the new LemRunner pack. Though, seeing how I've been stumped very badly by Dexter's and tan's pack, not sure how long that will take. Perhaps I should consider just moving along and coming back to the level I'm stumped on later just so I'm not holding up the LP, but I'm not in a rush to plow through it. I could just ask them for a hint or even view Armani's replay, but that's just not me when it comes to solving Lemmings levels.

I guess it's a good thing I'm not yet LPing Destination, since it sounds another update is due to drop soon. I'm sure I'll like it as much as I did Lemmings Migration. That reminds me. Did you still have plans to comment on my solutions to your Migration levels on my videos? You mentioned it back in November, so I just want to know if you still planned on following through with it. If so, I look forward to them ;)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on July 24, 2021, 08:53:38 AM
Hello Nessy,

First two ranks completely solved. Here are my replays, as well as some feedback. Also, here's the link to my LP: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbp2m4KlFpJs4ikfZAB08_H7Xc1HcDnJO (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbp2m4KlFpJs4ikfZAB08_H7Xc1HcDnJO). Enjoy! :P

General Feedback

Just as I thought, I'm enjoying this pack like I did with your Migration pack, but I'm really enjoying Destination a lot. Lots of great levels both visually and puzzle-wise with what I've seen so far. I find it very amusing that I'm smashing through Destination much faster than Migration, which I struggled a lot with. I don't know if it's because I'm used to your style of small levels with very minimal skillsets resulting in deceptively difficult levels by now, or if it's something else. It's probably not the former, since it's almost been a year since I completed Migration. However, there have been plenty of these types of levels in the pack so far, and it's bound to be true for the rest of the pack.

So far, the hardest level for me was Neon 17, but I think that's because I kept overthinking on that one.

Helium Rank Feedback

This was overall a really good first rank. I enjoyed a lot of these levels.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Neon Rank Feedback

More wonderful levels in this rank that I enjoyed immensely as well!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So far, I have the first three levels of the Argon rank solved, so I'm really looking forward to the rest of the pack. Very well done with the levels that I've seen thus far. Hope you're doing well, and it was great playing Jackbox with you and some of the others this past weekend :)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on July 25, 2021, 06:12:56 AM
Argon rank finished. More replays and more feedback

Argon Rank Feedback

Even more great levels in this rank. Levels are slowly getting more difficult, and solving times are slowing considerably, but still nothing I wasn't able to handle.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So far, I've only played and solved the first two levels of the Xenon rank. Even though I still have 49 more levels to go, for the time being I have to say that Xenon 2 is my absolute favorite of all the pack. Of course, this might change as I solve more levels, but so far Xenon 2 is my all time favorite of the pack.

I'll return with more replays and feedback once I finish the Xenon rank! ;)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on July 26, 2021, 10:32:07 PM
Xenon rank completed, so I'm back with more replays and feedback.

Xenon Rank Feedback

While I kind of breezed through the first 3 ranks of the pack, the Xenon rank was where solving times finally slowed considerably for me, as there were a lot of difficult levels for me. I think what happened was that I did ok for the first 5 levels or so, and then it came to the point where I could only get 1 or 2 levels solved per video, as well as multiple levels needing more than one video to solve. Luckily, I haven't had to switch to off-camera time yet (I start doing this if I'm not able to get the same level solved after two recorded videos), but this might start becoming true for some Radon levels.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So far, I've only played and solved the first 4 levels of Radon, and I got to say so far save for Radon 3 all of them were favorites with me. Nothing too difficult in the rank yet, but I'm sure that will change shortly. Yup, this pack is definitely many times better than Migration :thumbsup: I'm just surprised at how fast I'm breezing through the pack.

I'll be back with more replays and feedback once I finish the Radon rank! :)
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on July 27, 2021, 11:02:16 PM
Radon rank completed! More replays and feedback, as usual.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Truthfully, I actually found the Radon rank somewhat easier than the Xenon rank. I honestly thought I was going to be stuck even harder here in the rank than I was in the Xenon rank. Then again, to be fair, I likely still found a lot of backroutes in the Radon rank :P

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All that remains is the Synthetic rank. I can't imagine this one taking a very long time, so I might be able to finish it later tonight and hence the LP of the pack. Or, if not, then sometime tomorrow.
Title: Re: [NL 12.7.0+] Lemmings Destination [Difficulty: Medium-Very Hard]
Post by: kaywhyn on July 28, 2021, 10:14:13 PM
Hi Nessy,

And, Synthetic rank completed and hence I have solved all of Lemmings Destination v1.2. I have attached my entire replay collection for the pack. As I have already given feedback on all the other ranks, this post will be feedback for the Synthetic rank.

Synthetic Rank Feedback

Wow, these contest levels were really good. Before I played this rank, the only contest levels of yours I have played from a while ago were "Excavation Site" (currently the final level of Lemmings Migration, which I LPed almost a year ago) and "Abandoned Memory" (LDC #21). I've also played your LDC #22 contest level from a few months ago, but it's not in this rank, and I believe the reason for that is simply due to the pack being released long before you made your R1 for LDC #22.

In contrast to the 5 main ranks of the pack, the rank already starts off with a high difficulty. As a matter of fact, I consider Synthetic 9 as the only easy level of the rank. The rest of them were quite challenging. Also, it seems that the levels here were simply ordered from oldest contest to most recent contest.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Overall, excellent job on a very well-done pack! :thumbsup: Lemmings Destination is just many times better than Migration, and now that I have solved the entire pack, I declare Destination a big favorite pack of mine! :) This definitely earns a spot on my list of all-time favorite level packs. I am surprised that I didn't struggle with Destination as I thought I would, considering that I really struggled with Migration. Then again, it's almost been a year since I LPed Migration, and I have LPed many level packs between doing Migration and now just finishing Destination. So, perhaps it's all the experience I've gained from LPing all those level packs? Or, perhaps more likely, it's due to how I'm very used to your style of small to medium size levels with very minimal skillsets to create a deceivingly difficult level even though it's almost been a year since I played Migration. Besides Migration, there were only 3 other contest levels of yours I have played. Now that I've played through all of the Synthetic rank, I have now officially played all of your contest levels at least once. If playing your most recent contest entries is any indication, I know they're hard, but I didn't think your really early ones would be very difficult as well! So, it seems that you were always really good with making very hard levels from the get-go. Not a bad thing at all, at least with me, as I love difficult levels, especially the good kind of difficult, where they're very satisfying to sit through and figure out.

I hope you're doing well and that you have been enjoying the LP of your pack if you been watching. I look forward to comments on my solutions if you're planning on doing so, and I hope that follows through with Migration as well. I'm always more than happy to give level designers feedback as well. With this LP, we now officially have one full complete playthrough of Lemmings Destination online! :thumbsup:

Hope to see you at future Jackbox sessions as well. It was great fun having you with us in the previous session :)