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Title: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: Colorful Arty on November 23, 2019, 03:45:13 PM
Here's a tileset that I was planning on using for an ArtLems level, but that didn't work out. I decided to release it to see if people had any interest in it. It's the original Dirt tileset, but in black and white. I originally designed it for an old-timey movie level. Since it's identical to the Dirt tileset in every way except for aesthetics, I'm not sure how much use it will get, but if people really like it, I may end up converting more of the original (and maybe OHNO) tilesets to black and white as well.

(https://i.imgur.com/o32rcQR.png)
Back in my day, we had a Rendezvous at the Mountain...
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: Minim on November 23, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
Cool graphics set. However I can enable a Greyscale filter on my laptop. Also, the pieces are the same as the Original (Pun intended) so apart from the background I don't need to add it to my collection. Sorry.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: namida on November 23, 2019, 09:20:43 PM
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I may end up converting more of the original (and maybe OHNO) tilesets to black and white as well.

Please keep in mind that new palette-swap styles of any kind are not currently being accepted into NL's styles downloads. So - any pack creators using these styles would need to include a copy with their pack's download.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: WillLem on November 24, 2019, 02:18:39 AM
Here's a tileset that I was planning on using for an ArtLems level, but that didn't work out. I decided to release it to see if people had any interest in it. It's the original Dirt tileset, but in black and white. I originally designed it for an old-timey movie level. Since it's identical to the Dirt tileset in every way except for aesthetics, I'm not sure how much use it will get, but if people really like it, I may end up converting more of the original (and maybe OHNO) tilesets to black and white as well.

Great idea! Could run the music tracks through a vinyl plugin to give them an old-time feel as well.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: Strato Incendus on November 24, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
Don't worry, Arty, I very much like the concept and have downloaded it already! :thumbsup: I was just a little surprised about the time of the upload, as I knew that namida is planning to implement this palette-swap feature that will allow the creation of such and many other styles en-mass.

So you might already want to save the colour settings somewhere (Hue/Saturation/Lightness changes etc. compared to orig Dirt), to be able to translate this tileset into this new feature whenever it gets introduced. ;)
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: namida on November 24, 2019, 05:22:56 PM
Don't worry, Arty, I very much like the concept and have downloaded it already! :thumbsup: I was just a little surprised about the time of the upload, as I knew that namida is planning to implement this palette-swap feature that will allow the creation of such and many other styles en-mass.

So you might already want to save the colour settings somewhere (Hue/Saturation/Lightness changes etc. compared to orig Dirt), to be able to translate this tileset into this new feature whenever it gets introduced. ;)

Some consideration was given to this, but it likely won't happen now - instead, it will just be "when NL is capable of downloading styles on-demand, instead of requiring the user to download every style up-front, we'll go back to allowing these kind of styles; until then, they are prohibited to slow down the growth of the styles download". As restoring at least the style-downloading component of online features is a goal for V12.8, this shouldn't be too long.

I have concerns around whether creators of palette swap styles will make the effort to keep their styles up to date physics-wise with the main ones (as we've seen in the incompatibilities at times between orig_dirt and orig_dirt_md, or my LPII / LPIII styles and GigaLem's remakes of them), but that's a separate discussion from the impact on downloading / extracting times, and is perhaps something that (at least for gadgets) could come with its own solution as a separate feature. My personal preference really would be "just don't have these styles in the first place", but it's clear that the community wants them, so we need to figure out what (if anything) should be done in this regard.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: Dullstar on November 24, 2019, 08:23:44 PM
Personally, physics accuracy is a major reason I think a true feature for palette swapping would be useful, but of course I have no idea how complex it would be to pull off. It would be nice, though, to be able to, for example, define the color changes for the whatever_md sets and then not really have to worry about keeping up with all the changes to the regular sets.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: namida on November 24, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
Personally, physics accuracy is a major reason I think a true feature for palette swapping would be useful, but of course I have no idea how complex it would be to pull off. It would be nice, though, to be able to, for example, define the color changes for the whatever_md sets and then not really have to worry about keeping up with all the changes to the regular sets.

I mean - if there's enough interest in this, it can be considered.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: Crane on November 25, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
A black-and-white tileset does sound like a good idea actually, although I think it should have more original pieces to it, like maybe a film reel or a clapperboard.
Title: Re: [New Formats] Black and White Dirt tileset
Post by: Strato Incendus on November 25, 2019, 12:01:40 PM
With a palette-swap feature, you could simply create a black-and-white version of Plom's Studio tileset to achieve the desired effect... ;)