That's a little demotivating as far as creation of my own packs is concerned :( ... as well as for any other more "casual" level creator, I guess.
Is somebody already LPing this pack on YouTube?
The Tomato Watcher has put up a few videos covering nearly half of the 1st rank currently and there was also 1 stream by Colorful Arty covering ~ 3/4 of the 1st rank.
Also it's just a basic concept of software design: After release you will always have more testing and maintenance to do, even if you have testers run through it before.
On a side note - the [NeoLemmix] tag in the title isn't really needed, given that all packs on this board should be NeoLemmix. ;)
I felt that the X-of-everything levels (and a couple of other meant-to-be-simple ones) were more long and tedious than they needed to be, with many such levels taking over 10 minutes in-game time. However, once I got past those and into the puzzles, I really enjoyed this pack so far! I also find - though this isn't really your fault - that the traps in some graphic sets are almost inherently hidden traps, in particular the BeastII tileset's weasel(?) trap. The Biolab set also could perhaps use some darkening on the background; it's very easy to mistake terrain for background in some cases.
I smiled so much over your 1 41 attempt!! It's just like I walked into a time machine and watched your Reunion 1 41 attempt again for the first time! Some things never change! :laugh:
Here's my re-solves of 0126 and 0129. (Haven't looked at 0141 again yet.)
Looked at the next three levels - I say "looked at" because I only actually solved one of them.Individual level feedback (click to show/hide)
0228 solved, though I suspect it's a backroute, as it cuts it very close on time.
Also solved 0229. Might be a backroute, but could be intended, not completely sure.
Hi, I would like to inform you about a solution I have found for Genocide 12, that is very obviously a backroute. I dont have the replay right now but it works like this:
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I solved some more levels of neutrality.
Here's my solution for rest of the levels and my best attempts so far for level 32 and 41.
I have downloaded and played three or four other packs from the forum and I feel lemmings united is the toughest among them.
Can you recommend me some easier packs for me to build up more skills?
I'm afraid to start tension level for now. :(
Looks like no backroutes today
And that's where you're wrong. ;)That's so sad :'( I believed I found an intended one. I will look at the fixed version soon ;)
I would propose to you to resolve all the backroutes first before going into rank 5. I really would like to know if the faults are truly fixed now. ???
Even after attempting to redownload the relevant styles, I get pieces missing errors in Pacifism 39 (latest version of United). From the preview it looks like pieces near the exit are the culprits.
I can assure you that 3 17 is 100% possible. I just checked the replay again.
2 people found it quite hard until now, while 1 person said it was pretty easy.
If you have the high quality minimap activated you could deactivate it to improve performance.
I think a big reason why rank 3 felt a bit easier than rank 2 is the ammount of training and experience you got in between.
- 3 32 (+1 save req) Did not remember why I gave an extra loss here.
Tension 41 - The Igniting Spark the history of the looong timer:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It amazes me how much the introduction pack already helps the player going through hard levels! Through all the intances I've read, here in this topic ALONE, contributing the knowledge of certain tricks and behaviors to the intro pack, I see that this is indeed the thing NL needed the most. It's not the new features, it's simply this - an easy way to get into the deeper mechanics of Lemmings (that is actually maintained).
It's still not done, but it will get there.
Wow, never knew I was capable of backrouting this many levels. Maybe that is to be expected, considering my puzzle solving caliber, as well as the amount of replays I send, which is I try to send half and half for a rank. 20/21 levels is a lot to look at at any given time. Apparently for the penultimate rank, the War rank still needs a lot of fixing. Bet you're pretty glad to be getting these replays, and I'm glad that I can help in this regard ;)
Und Icholotot. In welcher Stadt in Deutschland lebst du? Ich denke die deutsche Sprache is toll(grossartig). Ich lerne Deutsch jeden Tag. Ich schaue Youtube Videos sehr oft an. Hast du die USA besucht? Und ich weiss auch Simon(Lix) lebt in Deutshland
also I especially like watching packs made by ichotolot. I have pimolems and dovelems. although those levels are not made by him, they were converted by him. I downloaded replays for both packs. pimolems replays are all good.
but 3 in dovelems someones replays were broken according to mass replay check. maso 16(which i solved so have good replay),
maso 18(tried to solve-was changed after the latest replays-too hard now), and bonus 1(tried to solve-too tricky for me).
Even though the 3 levels are small in size, their trickier than I think the original authors versions.
Ichotolot really likes to make or have levels made(even someone elses) hard. he is the master of hard levels. Of course for you these 2 packs are probably too easy. I'm just trying to gather replays for his packs. especially since he is German(wunderbar).
in fact 1 level in world tour failed that icholotot had a replay for professional 28 (undetermined) so level failed but I managed to solve that one from where it failed so now I have a good professional 28.
Here in California where I live
Well, it looks like I have hit a major roadblock with Genocide 5.
However, this trick is really obscure, and so as a result I now think War 30 is too difficult for its position,So you made it harder for yourself here. ;)
Also, since you either read it or it probably somehow got missed in the jumble of posts that followed after my two replies after you posted a new version, I'll ask it here: Are you finding my written feedback helpful? I know you're finding my replays helpful, but what about my written feedback? I asked about this the last time, but again it might had been overlooked. As you can see, I like to be helpful in any way I can so that you can improve the levels in this pack in the best way possible. There's certainly many reasons to, the top one especially being that this pack is great in so many ways and many times better than your first pack.
QuoteWell, it looks like I have hit a major roadblock with Genocide 5.
That is a bit surprising. Level 5 was not a roadblock before, but nice to see it finally working. ;) Just don't get stuck with your thoughts on one certain path. Maybe think outside of the boxes.
I know that you can do it though, you faced worse things! :thumbsup: No, seriously you will see once you solved it that you really faced worse.
Genocide 5 - Googly Eyed Coffins
It's so nice to see the level layout finally working as intended and giving you doubts about the path you should take. :devil: Before it was either backrouted or people took the right approach.
I already see in your comment that you locked some skill locations in your head. Maybe let's be a bit more open minded. ;)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That trick is not nessesary to solve this level. It can be done in a way more basic way.QuoteHowever, this trick is really obscure, and so as a result I now think War 30 is too difficult for its position,So you made it harder for yourself here. ;)
All you written feedback will be considered. If not directly in this pack then you can be certain that I keep on gathering information for future projects on what works, what people found difficult/easy, what was disliked, what were the approaches,........
There are always things to learn and data needs to be collected! ;)
hi Kaywhn, Also I want to give you encouragement to continue this pack as I want to see Icho fix backroutes. I really think your awesome in doing this pack as this is one of the hardest packs out there. You have such williness and patient to do this.
And I have the upmost confidence in you finishing it. I couldn't even begin to tackle this pack (way above me).
I really enjoy your posts and I'm sure Icho appreciates your replays to remove backroutes with updates versions.
and maybe down the road Icho will do some more commentary on United on Youtube at least the next rank (Neutrality).
I really enjoy his ones.
Also, you mentioned that you changed the mushroom position slightly on War 36. What I want to know is if we're talking about the same one. In my feedback for the level, the one I was referring to is the slanted mushroom pointing down to the left on the slanted slope in the middle. When I load up the level, it all looks the same to me except maybe for one of the mushrooms in the pond in the middle. That's not the one I was referring to in my feedback. So, which one did you change the position of slightly, the slanted one or the one near the water?
Maybe If Icho does another big pack(not sure if he wants to take that much time on one) using the shimmier and jumper.
although I know that there will be a 20th new skill so maybe it would be better to wait on a big pack until that comes out.
Genocide 14 - Vortex of Plans
Oh, boy. Let's just say you found the more precise and more timing heavy challenge version. ;)
I was thinking about culling the miner and use your solution, but I think that is overkill.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I thought maybe you already did reunion on neolemmix since it was an older pack. I also thought you mentioned you thought United was better so I assumed (I guess incorrectly) that you did it already. I have all reunion's replays which I already watched although there not Icho's but they all work as of the current release. I gathered the latest ones up that work.
although I guess they may vary from his list (which may be nice to have). Also there hasn't been a mention about that pack in a while so I assume that pack has been backrouted fixed already.
That reminds me Icho. How accurate was my assessment when I told eric that you won't be changing any United levels so that jumpers/shimmiers are included since those two skills came long after United was released? I should had let you answer that instead of me.
Genocide 17 - Radience
Totally missed that spelling error. :XD: But I found out it's "Radience" in polish. (at least according to google translate) :P
Genocide 19 - Arctic Oscillation
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Also it's interesting to see how the roadblocks and easier levels are changing up from player to player.
Please do not just edit post with new comments and replays! Always make a new post! I just saw this by pure accident. If you just edit things without a new post, there will be quite a risk that I miss it.
That being said, I wonder how long it took you to get the design of the level right so that the timing of the two worker lemmings works out the way it does in the solution. Must had taken a while.
But oh boy, you won the price for overcomplicating in 5 21!
That is totally not intended and the route I had in mind only uses minor timing and not such an ammount of RR madness as well - I need to stop this madness here and save you from yourself.
I took away all stackers at the start and also moved some other pick-ups away. Also a nice new OWW should also help.
This level has a clean solution, trust me. There are a few MINOR timing points, but nowhere near as crazy as you did in your replay. ;)
From the complexity side it isn't a backroute - complexity isn't the sole criterium though - it still avoids central tricks and I don't want people to get sucked into this extreme timing idea. That's the main intention of the fix. :)
Anyway, I think the solution is a tiny bit clearer now. ;)
A backroute is a solution that's more like bypassing the puzzle than engaging with it (which is of course subjective).
There can be unintended solutions that are desirable to fix for other reasons than being backroutes.
Also, besides the aforementioned level, the levels in the 20s weren't too difficult.
V 11.7 is out!
Fixed backroutes thanks to kaywhyn's replays:
- 5 24 (added a trap)
- 5 26 (6 builders are now a pick-up skill)
- 5 28 (added some steel)
- 5 30 (added 2 OWWs)
- 5 31 (added some terrain)
Genocide 21 - I am the End of Fortune!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Congrats on finishing United,
Now when you get done with the bonus rank, you can go back to Genocide 21 and 28 and try to solve.
Anyways I always keep on eye out for your United replays and I keep yours too once Icho approves them. Once he approves your replay of a level, that's when I turn it green.
V 11.7 is out!
New levels:
- 6 15
- 6 18
- 6 22
First of, if I'm removing/replacing levels I will specifically state it. "New Levels" in my terms always means that there are new levels put in these positions and any old levels are pushed a position ahead.
Comments:
Genocide 41 - The EpitomeSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Congratulations on keeping on and coming this far! :thumbsup:
When you are through with everything + resolvings: I will request one final replay collection from you that should survive a mass replay check. If that's successful then you can claim your prize. ;)
It has now officially been a year since I first took on United. Coincidentally, I've reached the very final level of the pack, meaning I'm on the the last level of the Bonus rank, several hours ago. 205 main levels, plus 33 bonus levels, and so I'm on the 238th and final level of the pack. Just in time to mark the day I started United exactly a year ago today. I wonder how that happened? At the same time, I wouldn't be anywhere near this far right now if I wasn't out of work due to the pandemic. If I had worked the last several months, I probably would only be in the War rank around this time
So far, it's still a no solve, but I think I have an idea of what needs to happen. I just don't know if the trick required is one I've used and seen before. As a matter of fact, I have a strong suspicion that I used it on the old version of Genocide 21. The hardest part, of course, is the very start. In any case, since the skillset is really small, it probably won't take long to hit upon the trick if it's one I haven't seen yet. Technically, I still have about 21 hours to solve the level before it's officially a year. According to the time stamp of my Pacifism 1 replay, it's stamped around 9:30PM, and it's 1:35AM here where I am. Needless to say, I started playing United on this very day last year, September 7, 2019, and now today is September 7, 2020.
When I do manage to solve Bonus 33, the next time I will post my feedback on the rank. Then, all that's left for me to do is go back and resolve the new versions of 4 levels in the Genocide rank. Once I succeed in doing that, then I'll officially be done and can send my entire United replay collection, including the Bonus rank. Given that it's only 4 levels I need to resolve, it probably won't take too long, but I suspect that Genocide 21 and Genocide 28 will take the longest, since they now seem to be the most difficult for me. However, that remains to be seen.
It has now officially been a year since I first took on United. Coincidentally, I've reached the very final level of the pack, meaning I'm on the the last level of the Bonus rank, several hours ago. 205 main levels, plus 33 bonus levels, and so I'm on the 238th and final level of the pack. Just in time to mark the day I started United exactly a year ago today. I wonder how that happened?
Wow 1 year on a pack. Now I know why Uberwolfie stated United is for a madman. Anyways again congrats And yes I see that your stressed out on it. I think you may be one of few people to be
so dedicated on it though. And I know you did Icho a really big favor in playing it, especially the last 2 ranks, because they have mostly been untested for backroutes, as he was constantly
updating his pack by using your replays.
Congratulation for your achievement! :thumbsup:
Also glad to hear that you are considering submitting some levels to LDC.
That will certainly be something to look forward to. :thumbsup:
And, Bonus 33 solved! Took me a lot longer than I thought it would, but I finally did it. Thus, the Bonus rank is finally all solved and therefore I finally have completed all of United!
QuoteAnd, Bonus 33 solved! Took me a lot longer than I thought it would, but I finally did it. Thus, the Bonus rank is finally all solved and therefore I finally have completed all of United!
Congratulations!:thumbsup: This is already an accomplishment even if there are still a few backroutes left. :) I also encourage you to give the level creation side a try!
That's what I want to hear; the creator recognising Kaywhyn's success and sending his congratulations!
Anyway, good job, Kaywhyn. You deserve a good long relax.
Bonus 3 - Burning Ships
This level was made in collaboration with Simon where we took the output of the Mandelbrot-Set and made it into a level.
Bonus 25 - Spires of Mire
Another collaboration effort. Also, an alternative shorter version of the level resulted from this project. Flopsy took an earlier, easier alteration and made it it's own level, it should be in SEBlems.
Since there still appears to be backroutes even in the Neutrality rank (I thought we got them all, but apparently not!), I went ahead and PMed you my Pacifism and Neutrality replays now as well. In this way, it's like you said before, which is if there are indeed additional backroute fixes needed, I can also resolve the others in addition to the remaining backroute patched Genocide/Bonus levels in "one fell swoop" instead of we both finding out later that other backroutes have shown up and that I need to resolve some other levels too.
edit: for 4 35, I managed to beat it in 8:17, in other words, with 2 minutes and 54 seconds left on the timer. In the process, I have a walker leftover. That probably won't change the timer you set for the level though, as you don't want it to be too tight.
My first Lemmings video on your Lemmings United pack is up on my Youtube channel. That's how much I love this pack of yours. Here is the link: Kaywhyn's Lemmings United Level Solving Commentary Video Series. Check it out and back for more later on when I get around to making more ;) Hope you like it and hopefully it's still enjoyable to watch and listen to despite how I constantly fumble my words when recording. Keep in mind this is the very first OBS video I have recorded and the very first one I have uploaded to my channel in a very long time. Time for me to join the Lemmings video making/solving wagon and revive my channel.
I will watch the series with great interest! ;)
I am also glad that I could be of help in setting up the recording setup. :)
And the last prize has been won by: joshescue18! :thumbsup:
Finally 3 people have managed to 100% solve the whole pack with acceptable/intended solutions! :thumbsup:
I'm still hoping more will come to that point though. ;P
As joshescue18 rejected the third and last price, I've decided to redirect it to namida as a little "thank you" gift for all the coding and maintenance for NL. And I think that's worth a little gift! :)
Little announcement:
As joshescue18 rejected the third and last price, I've decided to redirect it to namida as a little "thank you" gift for all the coding and maintenance for NL. And I think that's worth a little gift! :)
I missed this post (because I was about to sleep at the time and overnight more posts about other packs went through). Congrats to our top three users: Armani, Kaywhyn and joshescue! :thumbsup:
EDIT: I'll also give the three full-pack solvers (Armani, kaywhyn and joshescue18) a shout out in this video :lemcat:
Here are all of my solutions.
Hello Icho,
I have attached another solution to Genocide 39. This doesn't seem like a backroute, but rather a challenge solution that saves a skill :P
I finished the Neutrality rank today! The last level that I solved from the set was 37 - Another One Bites The Dust.
Really liked the levels, here are a few that stood out for me (with a few spoilers).
My favourite levels:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Absolute mind-benders:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Levels I didn't like:Spoiler (click to show/hide)