Hi folks,
I propose the following smiley changes.
:o -> (http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/etc/smiley-oo2.png), replacing the current (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/shocked.gif)
:clam: -> (http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/etc/smiley-clam.png)
The huge eyes were suggested back in 2011 (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1399.0), but the admins of the 2009-2014 forum instance didn't react.
-- Simon
The huge eyes were suggested back in 2011 (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1399.0), but the admins of the 2009-2014 forum instance didn't react.
<SimonN> yes, nobody wants the O_O smiley despite it being the most expressive, so what's the constructive criticism except "I like the other(s) better"
<NaOH> It's too expressive
<SimonN> isn't that a design pattern for smileys?
<NaOH> it's more expressive than the other smileys. It has so much expression I can't really take it seriously.
<NaOH> It's too cartoonish.
<SimonN> hmm
<SimonN> and you don't want cartooney smileys?
<NaOH> cartoonishness is a relative scale
<SimonN> okay
<NaOH> the other smileys are relatively mellow.
<SimonN> my gripe is that they differ only by a few tiny pixels, it's too hard to see what it is
These smileys are completely useless. It's nonsense to have smileys without a mouth. The best idea is to redraw them all to something more appropriate.
How has this one not been proposed yet: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43603680/smiley-oo3.png)
Come to think of it, it reminds me of Prob Lem's old avatar.Surely my current one? I only have this one and the Christmas one. :thumbsup:
Do an image search on Google and you might realize that in many instances of Lemmings box art, they do tend to exaggerate the eyes while de-emphasizing (even omitting) the nose and mouth.And then there's the other issue - two of the Lemmings art-styles clash, which also makes a possible difference here. In older artwork (circa Lemmings/ONML to Lomax or so), when shown at all, the lemmings' mouths are clearly set fairly far back under their snouts (i.e., they seem to have quite shallow jaws). This is different to the Sony-era art, where their mouths are instead placed virtually at the tip of their snouts (i.e., where you might think a nose would go). The former doesn't really show from a front-view like our smileys employ (you'd need a three-quarters view for that, or for them to tip their heads back a little to show emotion ;P ), and the latter looks anything from incredibly strange to borderline scary depending on what emotion is being displayed. Just some random input from my lore/art-style-watching self. ;)
Do an image search on Google and you might realize that in many instances of Lemmings box art, they do tend to exaggerate the eyes while de-emphasizing (even omitting) the nose and mouth. So the smileys we currently have actually conformed to that style pretty decently. So far I personally have not found the lack of mouths to be much of a problem, though I admit it's quite the irony to have smileys technically without actual "smiles" per se.
How has this one not been proposed yet: (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43603680/smiley-oo3.png)This is hilarious, but there's no way.
Anyhow, I think I do prefer (http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/etc/smiley-oo.png) over (http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/etc/smiley-oo2.png), although I'm actually fine even sticking with what we currently have.Agreed.
I know how they looks, but that's hardly an excuse to make all smileys unrecognizable.
These smileys are completely useless. It's nonsense to have smileys without a mouth.
The best idea is to redraw them all to something more appropriate.
:o is fine, and I hate the proposed replacement.
huge eyes is closer to :scared: which I like the way it is.
addition would definitely be better than a replacement due to different preferences here.
<NaOH> cartoonishness is a relative scale
<NaOH> the other smileys are relatively mellow.
The other proposed one with slightly narrower eyes doesn't really look as shocked to me
At most, add the Clam.
Some smileys in the current differ only by 3 or 4 pixels. This is horrible to distinguish.
Typically, "XD" is meant to denote laughter. Having :XD: be a dead-looking emote here has always confused me (I always just use :D instead, for the intended meaning). :P
Perhaps a compromise and have all 3 variations?
:o => (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/shocked.gif) (tooltip: "mildly surprised")
:0 => (http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/etc/smiley-oo.png) (tooltip: "shocked")
:O => (http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~simon/etc/smiley-oo2.png) (tooltip: "mind blown")
;P :laugh:
Mindless has created an additional complete set of lix emoticons (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/) -- with mouths! -- of which I wholeheartedly approve.
Seriously these are adorable. I vote they be added in as a secondary set of emoticons.
(http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-blush.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-cool.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-cry.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-dead.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-evil.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-frown.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-glare.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-grin.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-laugh.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-mysterious.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-sad.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-scared.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-scream.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-smile.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-tongue.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-troubled.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-unsure.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-wink.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-winktongue.png) (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-yawn.png)
It's completely possible to have seperate sets (a "Lemmings" set and a "Lix" set) and let users choose which one they prefer, if anyone likes this idea.
The is a difference between :) and :lix:. Both show happinness,
:lix: connotes freedom from cumbersome tradition.
QuoteThe is a difference between :) and :lix:. Both show happinness,
I must say (and try to not 'insult' anybody with this fact, like ccexplore said i did) they don't show anything. Isn't that obvious? Both are just a face without any expression.
Edit: out of curiosity, would it be possible to save the smileys used by existing posts as-is and constrain all the changes we decide on strictly affect posts hereafter?
Maybe it's like the difference of :-) and Guyperfect's persistent (-:.
| | Lix | | | (filename) | | | Lem analog | | | current code for Lem analog | | | proposed code for Lix | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-ashamed.png) | | | lix-2-ashamed.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-ashamed: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-blush.png) | | | lix-2-blush.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/embarrassed.gif) | | | :-[ | | | ]-: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-cool.png) | | | lix-2-cool.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/cool.gif) | | | 8-) | | | (-8 | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-cry.png) | | | lix-2-cry.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/cry.gif) | | | :'( | | | ),: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-dead.png) | | | lix-2-dead.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/xd.gif) | | | :XD: | | | :ⱭX: or :DX: or :(|X: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-evil.png) | | | lix-2-evil.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/evil.gif) | | | :evil: | | | :lix-evil: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-frown.png) | | | lix-2-frown.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-frown: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-gasp.png) | | | lix-2-gasp.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/shocked.gif) | | | :o | | | o-: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-glare.png) | | | lix-2-glare.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/angry.gif) | | | >:( | | | ):< | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-grin.png) | | | lix-2-grin.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/cheesy.gif) | | | :D | | | Ɑ: or (|: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-laugh.png) | | | lix-2-laugh.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/laugh.gif) | | | :laugh: | | | :lix-laugh: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-mysterious.png) | | | lix-2-mysterious.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-mysterious: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2.png) | | | lix-2.png | | | n/a | | | | | :lix2: | | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-sad.png) | | | lix-2-sad.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/sad.gif) | | | :( | | | )-: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-scared.png) | | | lix-2-scared.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/scared.gif) | | | :scared: | | | :lix-scared: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-scream.png) | | | lix-2-scream.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-scream: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-sick.png) | | | lix-2-sick.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/sick.gif) | | | :sick: | | | :lix-sick: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-smile.png) | | | lix-2-smile.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/smiley.gif) | | | :) | | | (: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-suspicious.png) | | | lix-2-suspicious.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-suspicious: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-tongue.png) | | | lix-2-tongue.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif) | | | :P | | | d-: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-troubled.png) | | | lix-2-troubled.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-troubled: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-unsure.png) | | | lix-2-unsure.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/undecided.gif) | | | :-\ | | | \-: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-wink.png) | | | lix-2-wink.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/wink.gif) | | | ;) | | | (; | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-winktongue.png) | | | lix-2-winktongue.png | | | (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/Smileys/lemmings/winktounge.gif) | | | ;P | | | d-; | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-yawn.png) | | | lix-2-yawn.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-yawn: | | |
| | (http://sonar.camanis.net/~mindless/lix-2/lix-2-yell.png) | | | lix-2-yell.png | | | ? | | | ? | | | :lix-yell: | | |
Edit: out of curiosity, would it be possible to save the smileys used by existing posts as-is and constrain all the changes we decide on strictly affect posts hereafter?
AFAIK, it's not possible for the same sequence of characters to translate to different smilies based on when the post was created. New smilies will need to get their own sequences of characters, and existing sequences of characters in used by existing smilies should probably be left alone.
Nothing is impossible. :)
Option A) Modify SMF's code to implement this difference.
Option B) Have a hidden, second code for all of the pre-existing smileys, and write a script to modify old posts to use this code.
With that in mind, here are some proposed codes for the new Lix smilies. Comments welcome.Nice idea. The only thing is, it would be nice to have shorter codes rather than "lix-[adjective]". Looking at the shape of features, I suggest:
I discourage replacing (-: or (: by things. <snip>By using (-: and :-) you assume there will be exactly 2 sets, and never more.
(What character is the backwards D?)
The original issue for this thread is still there, smileys for different expressions are too similar.
If you want a second set of smileys, :group-mood: seems to me a better code, more memorable for whoever has typed :mood: per hand so far already. And it's guaranteed prefix-free. :keyword: is standard on other boards for nonstandard replacements.
So, just to make this explicit / check that I understand the suggestions:
- All smiley codes take the form :lemming-smile: (with some exceptions? :8():)
- :) etc. aren't smiley codes any more and just appear as written
- Existing instances of :) get edited to :lemming-smile:, to maintain the intentions of the poster at the time
And if that's not what's being suggested, then I'm suggesting it right now :lix:
Please balance that consideration against how soon you want the new smileys be made available for use.
Also, I wonder whether there might be some people who are simply more used to just typing out :) for the commonly used smileys because that's how they'd have to do it in other mediums like IRC.
Also, I wonder whether there might be some people who are simply more used to just typing out :) for the commonly used smileys because that's how they'd have to do it in other mediums like IRC.
Those people are also used to their smileys being seen as written. :)
I say :lix-mystery: should be renamed "Emo Lix". :P
Also, I wonder whether there might be some people who are simply more used to just typing out :) for the commonly used smileys because that's how they'd have to do it in other mediums like IRC.
Those people are also used to their smileys being seen as written. :)
Isn't that more about the client software they may be using? I imagine some IRC clients may have the feature to automatically convert common smiley encodings into graphics exactly like what the forum is doing to posts.
I don't do the whole IRC thing, but that's how I write my smileys here... :PAlso, I wonder whether there might be some people who are simply more used to just typing out :) for the commonly used smileys because that's how they'd have to do it in other mediums like IRC.
Those people are also used to their smileys being seen as written. :)