Post by: Clam on February 08, 2014, 03:00:18 AM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57182300/Lix/pics/levels-single-clam-TameLix-Hard-tamelix101.txt.png?dl=1)
Hard 1: Oh No! What's This?
Inspired by Lemmings Reloaded (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1510) and the old Tame challenges (http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=908.msg24975#msg24975), I've rebuilt all 20 Tame levels in the Lix terrain.
Features:
- Two versions of each level:
- Easy: 10 of each skill (except imploder) and unlimited time.
- Hard: Challenges that also work in the original ONML.
- 14 different tilesets used.
- Expanded to fit the larger screen height in Lix.
- Reduced walking times on the longer levels :lix-smile:
Feedback, records and backroutes welcome (the latter not so much! :lix-tongue:)[/list]
Post by: Proxima on February 08, 2014, 06:58:34 PM
* CSTame 13 in 0:58
* CSTame 20 with 9 skills
Post by: RubiX on February 08, 2014, 08:42:22 PM
Still should be beatable, as this was just a few tries with release rate tests.
Post by: RubiX on February 08, 2014, 10:48:24 PM
What a nooooooooooooooooob
I mean, NICE!
Post by: Proxima on February 08, 2014, 11:44:45 PM
though I still need to go back and improve my # saved on 11 and 15.Well, those were great fun. A mixture, and rather disconcerting that playing order was nowhere close to difficulty order, but one gets used to it. But there was some very nice variety of level types, including puzzles, execution challenges and speed runs, and many levels have excellent replay value, whether to solve for # saved or some other challenge. No, there wasn't really a bad level in the whole bunch
Post by: Clam on February 10, 2014, 02:22:01 AM
I'm especially impressed with those scores on 1 (48) and 11 (49) - I figured those were the upper bounds, but didn't expect them to be achieved so soon.Difficulty curve isn't gonna be nice I'm afraid - it's restricted by what the original levels offered. The original Tame levels didn't leave much of a difficulty curve either though - 17 was the easiest of the lot!
Two levels I'm not entirely happy with are 5 (too easy) and 18 (alt route too easy) - I'll have a bit of a rethink on those.
Post by: RubiX on February 10, 2014, 06:13:00 AM
Edit: Just had a go at making a puzzle for that map
(yea its actually pretty tricky to make anything hard for this map, but this is what I have come up with)
- I have saved 44 after a few tries.
Mod Edit: Restored attachments.
Post by: Clam on February 10, 2014, 09:55:20 PM
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Updated topic post with Version 2
Changes:
- 5: Changed to 50/50 required, skills 2-0-0-2-4-0-0-5
- 8: Moved the orange platform across slightly to widen the builder gap (in line with the original map)
- 18: Changed a few areas to be more like the original. The alternate route for 100% is still possible but somewhat harder.
Post by: RubiX on February 12, 2014, 07:16:39 AM
5 was hard! some major preciseness needed
nice puzzle.
Post by: Clam on June 08, 2014, 06:23:17 AM
Post by: Clam on August 09, 2015, 05:20:51 AM
I've renamed the pack to TameLix. (Mainly because I don't go by "CS" any more, and "CTame" doesn't have the same ring to it.)
There are now two versions of each level:
- Easy: 14x10 skills and unlimited time, same as the flower levels. And new titles :lix-laugh:
- Hard: As before, challenges that also work in the original ONML.
Download in topic post.
Post by: Clam on August 18, 2015, 08:33:40 AM
- Changed Hard levels 9 and 11 to puzzles that are actually solvable in the current version of Lix :lix-ashamed:
- Lowered the time limit on Hard 20 by 2 seconds to compensate for lix entering the level sooner.
Post by: geoo on August 18, 2015, 11:03:51 PM
Why are there time limits? :)
I personally find it quite hard making good levels where the terrain is already given, and I feel your levels reflect this sentiment in some places. Some of the levels seem a bit forced, e.g. there are 3 speed mining levels, or some are quite technical. So while being decent on average, I don't think this pack lives up to your other consistent top-notch quality levels, i.e. it lacks the consistency in being top-notch. But there are quite a bunch of neat levels in there, my clear favourite being 'Pick a Path' (I attached a variation showing what I initially thought I had to do, but that needs an extra miner). The levels I didn't solve during my first pass were appropriately enough named Struggle Street, (not so appropriately) Shady Diggings, and Hold Up. Especially the former two are also among my favourites, though when I solved the first one naturally the second one felt a lot easier when at first it seemed impossible. The last three levels were quite nifty too, though I've seen the last one as a variation in one of your Xmas packs already. 7 and 4 were neat, and 4-10 overall was a stretch of solid levels; I think the ones I wasn't very fond of were those where you had to repeat the same thing/trick many times.
Attached are all my replays...17 and 18 I couldn't be bothered to replay the level to work within the given time limits (as I just hope they'll get removed and then I automatically solved the levels :P). Recorded some in 2015-08-09 and some in 2015-08-09-01; the older ones run in the newer version at least.
Post by: Clam on August 19, 2015, 08:59:07 AM
There's no big surprises in the replays, though it turns out I was overcomplicating solutions in a few cases :lix-ashamed:
I'm looking out for better ideas for challenges, but while the Tame levels are exceptionally conducive for these sorts of challenges (hence why this pack exists in the first place) they aren't all equal in that regard. Also keep in mind that part of the design brief is that the solutions carry over to ONML, which Lix is increasingly diverging from, reducing the possibilities further (eg. basher ramps are gone now). I could try to vary the types of challenges a bit more though (great though speed-mining may be :lix-tongue:)
The time limits are there so the "challenges" fit within the original level parameters. (I'm not suggesting that's a good reason, but that is the reason.) For the levels with shorter time limits, it was rather difficult to invent challenges with the skills alone.
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I've seen the last one as a variation in one of your Xmas packs already.
The Tame challenges predate that Xmas pack actually. Also on the topic of cross-pollination, level 8 inspired Hall of Stalling from my main Lix pack :lix-smile: