Post by: Adam on April 22, 2011, 10:28:56 PM
In the Original version of Lemmings, there were quite a few levels (about 35, I think) which had no repeats. Most of them were from the harder two difficulties, but there were a few easier levels which didn't have a repeat. I suggest trying to create repeats of these levels which either increase difficulty, or completely change its solution. Of course, some levels will be harder to do than others, but still, I like a challenge.
Take a running jump, And then there were four, and Tailor-made for blockers instantly spring to mind for me, but, of course, there are loads to pick from.
So, what do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? "Shut up, Adam!"?
Post by: ccexplore on April 22, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
Fun 3: Tailor-made for blockers
Fun 22: A Beast of a level
Tricky 1: This should be a doddle!
Tricky 14: Menacing!
Tricky 20: One way digging to freedom
Tricky 21: All the 6's
Tricky 23: Tightrope City
Tricky 25: Cascade
Tricky 27: The Island of the Wicker people
Tricky 28: Lost something?
Tricky 29: Rainbow Island
Taxing 2: Watch out, there's traps about
Taxing 4: Lend a helping hand...
Taxing 5: The Prison!
Taxing 12: Livin' On The Edge
Taxing 13: Upsidedown World
Taxing 14: Hunt the Nessy...
Taxing 15: What an AWESOME level
Taxing 16: Mary Poppins' Land
Taxing 20: Walk the web rope
Taxing 21: Feel the heat!
Taxing 24: Take a running jump......
Taxing 26: Triple Trouble
Taxing 27: Call in the bomb squad
Taxing 28: POOR WEE CREATURES!
Mayhem 1: Steel Works
Mayhem 2: The Boiler Room
Mayhem 8: Last one out is a rotten egg!
Mayhem 10: Pillars of Hercules
Mayhem 12: The Far Side
Mayhem 14: Pea Soup
Mayhem 16: Just a Minute...
Mayhem 17: Stepping Stones
Mayhem 18: And then there were four......
Mayhem 22: A BeastII of a level
Mayhem 23: Going up......
Mayhem 27: Just a Minute (Part Two)
Mayhem 28: Mind the Step......
Mayhem 29: Save Me
Mayhem 30: Rendezvez at the Mountain
Post by: ccexplore on April 22, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
RR: still 50
number to save: 40 (maybe higher esp. for Taxing)
time limit: still 5 minutes (maybe lower esp. for Taxing)
skills: 10 of everything except blockers, which you have zero (maybe less skills esp. for Taxing)
Feel free to chime in with a title. I'd suggest not mention blockers at all and go for a more "random title" approach, just like most of the official levels.
Post by: Clam on April 23, 2011, 12:40:02 AM
For a lot of these levels, the obvious choice would be to restrict builders to a minimum and make the player use other skills to compensate for this, reminiscent of the "skills you can't live without" challenge. Actually, now I mention that, the challenge threads would be a great place to look for ideas
Post by: Adam on April 23, 2011, 01:16:10 AM
Mod Edit: Restored attachments.
Post by: finlay on April 23, 2011, 01:40:46 AM
Post by: Adam on April 23, 2011, 01:55:04 AM
Post by: ccexplore on April 23, 2011, 07:33:37 AM
I've attached level and almost-but-fail solution replay.Since the gaps in the Sinclair version looks narrower, I think my solution might have worked fine there, but then again the thicker platforms there also probably means there are easier ways to solve it anyhow.
Post by: ccexplore on April 23, 2011, 08:17:31 AM
You decide. Actually there are probably a few variations for solving the level, and the save % purposely has a little slack. I do have one particular solution in mind, but other solutions aren't necessarily backroutes unless much easier.[new stats for level:
RR: still 50
lemmings out/save: 80/75
time limit: still 4
skills: 3 bombers, 3 blockers, 2 builders, 3 miners]
Post by: Adam on April 23, 2011, 04:14:15 PM
Post by: ccexplore on April 24, 2011, 01:51:56 AM
Post by: Clam on April 24, 2011, 03:50:25 AM
Also, could we consider "Just a minute (Part Two)" as a repeat? Otherwise we're gonna end up with four near-identical levels.
Post by: ccexplore on April 25, 2011, 02:10:38 AM
Also, could we consider "Just a minute (Part Two)" as a repeat? Otherwise we're gonna end up with four near-identical levels.
I kinda doubt we'll actually get a new level out of all 40 on the list anyway, even without that level. Like Taxing 14, I guess you can reduce the number of builders, but you still end up more or less with something not too different from the original.
I'll leave both in the list and let people pick one or the other to create a repeat with. It could also be an interesting challenge to see if someone can come up with a repeat of Part 1 whose solution is substantially different from the standard ones for Part 1 or Part 2, and do not allow a solution that would also work with Part 2's terrain.
Post by: ccexplore on April 25, 2011, 02:46:08 AM
It could also be an interesting challenge to see if someone can come up with a repeat of Part 1 whose solution is substantially different from the standard ones for Part 1 or Part 2, and do not allow a solution that would also work with Part 2's terrain.
Ok, that was not too hard. Attached is a repeat for Just a Minute Part 1 that cannot be solved with the terrain from Part 2:
Time Limit: 2
Lemmings out/save: still 50/50
RR: 99
skills: 2 climbers, 1 floater, 2 miners, 1 digger
Post by: Clam on April 25, 2011, 10:37:44 PM
(ended up turning it all the way down to 40).New level stats:
2 minutes
Save 75 of 80 (same as before)
RR 40
2 builders, 20 bashers, 20 miners
Post by: chaos_defrost on April 26, 2011, 04:08:08 AM
Post by: Clam on April 26, 2011, 06:31:37 AM
Post by: ccexplore on April 26, 2011, 01:37:55 PM
Of course the solution will work with Part 1's terrain, but the differences in skills and RR means you end up with very different solutions between my earlier Part 1 repeat and this Part 2 repeat. So yeah, it's kinda like being repeated 4 times total, but at least it's better than We All Fall Down, right?
Despite the difficulty, you actually don't need any ridiculous RR changes--or even the pause trick (but feel free to use it)! I've attached a Lemmix replay of the solution I settled on. With the pause trick or perhaps very precise RR changes, you might be able to get by with 1 less builder (but kinda boring in that case).
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time: still 1 minute!
lemmings out/save: still 50/50
RR: 1
skills: 6 builders, 3 diggers
Post by: Clam on April 26, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
Post by: ccexplore on April 27, 2011, 02:38:31 AM
Post by: Clam on April 27, 2011, 09:10:39 AM
) forces a solution by building over the water:Save 72 of 80 (you can save a couple more)
3 minutes (though 2 is enough)
RR 70 (as before)
5 bombers, 5 blockers, 10 builders
Also, for Fun 22, there was a very neat challenge someone (LemSteven?) posted in a challenge thread once, which could work for a Mayhem+ difficulty repeat. I'd have to find it to be sure about the difficulty though, it might be too hard for what we're trying to achieve.
EDIT: found it
I posted this one a couple months ago on the old forums, but I'm going to post it again here for the benefit of some of the newer members:
Fun 22 -- Save 100% using the following skills:
1 Climber
2 Builders
2 Bashers
1 Miner
1 Digger
Yeah, probably too hard for Mayhem even, and backroute-ish too since you bash under most of the level. A better idea might be to encourage a route through the top of the level, by giving plenty of builders and blockers, and no terrain-removal skills except for a few bashers.
Post by: namida on May 09, 2011, 10:38:13 AM
Post by: Clam on May 11, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Save 70 of 80 (though 72 is possible without much additional effort)
2 climbers, 2 floaters, 1 bomber, 8 builders
RR 1
3 minutes
Again, it's probably too hard for Mayhem (the solution seems to be fairly well hidden), but then so are most of the levels in this thread so far. So, maybe I should just stop worrying about that
Post by: GigaLem on May 11, 2011, 07:59:49 PM
Im guessing
Oh no More lemmings probably has no repeated level
well thats what i think