Post by: Fernito on October 06, 2009, 04:45:45 PM
RULES:
- The challenger chooses the rules for the solution of his/her level (for example, "no glitches").
- When someone posts a solution for a level, the level's author must validate the solution within 48 hours. If he doesn't, then the one that posted the first solution must continue with his/her own challenge.
- When someone wins a challenge (I.E.: when he/she posts a valid solution), he/she's got 48 hours to post a new challenge. If he/she doesn't, it's open floor for anyone else to post his own.
I guess that's it
Well, I'll begin this challenge thread with a rather simple level.
RULES FOR THIS CHALLENGE:
- No glitches allowed.
- You can use either DOS or OHNO mechanics, it doesn't affect the solution.
OK, let's play!
Post by: Dullstar on October 06, 2009, 10:26:58 PM
If you ask him, Adam will probably move it for you.
Post by: Fernito on October 06, 2009, 10:39:51 PM
Post by: Minim on October 07, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
But here we go then. My challenge is: For lm_set04 Level 1 solve with 2 bombers, 2 blockers, 7 builders and 1 basher. Nothing else.
Post by: Fernito on October 07, 2009, 07:02:44 PM
I don't like the look of this level that Fernito created I'm afraid. Sorry.
But here we go then. My challenge is: For lm_set04 Level 1 solve with 2 bombers, 2 blockers, 7 builders and 1 basher. Nothing else.
I'm sort of impressed... you won't play the challenge and you'll post a new challenge just because you don't like the look of the level??
Sorry, but that's childish, to say the least...
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 07, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
I solved Fernito's level, solution is:
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Lemming 1 builds over the pit, Lemming 2 blocks on the far right end of the ledge, Lemming 3 bashes through the bridge. 18 Lemmings will fall, turn in mid-air, and reach the exit. You can't save the builder or blocker but that's 90%.
EDIT: Here's a level. This is level 7 of ISteve10.dat with a reduced skillset. This solution was found originally by geoo and is really brilliant.
Post by: Fernito on October 07, 2009, 08:28:32 PM
I solved Fernito's level, solution is:QuoteLemming 1 builds over the pit, Lemming 2 blocks on the far right end of the ledge, Lemming 3 bashes through the bridge. 18 Lemmings will fall, turn in mid-air, and reach the exit. You can't save the builder or blocker but that's 90%.
Nice!
I'll try your level now!
EDIT: Which mechanics should I use?
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 07, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
Post by: GigaLem on October 08, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
with diffrent ways to get thoug the levels
Post by: Dullstar on October 09, 2009, 04:03:38 AM
Post by: Fernito on October 09, 2009, 07:41:33 AM
I'll keep trying though.
Post by: Yawg on October 10, 2009, 06:47:30 PM
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 10, 2009, 07:07:21 PM
I posted a revised version of the level where the route does not work. Look at the changes between that version and the original posted here.
Post by: Yawg on October 10, 2009, 07:42:38 PM
I attached my challenge level. I made it a while ago, and planned to release it in my 6th level pack, but classes are eating up so much of my time I won't be able to finish the pack in the near future. Consider this a preview
No limitations on how to solve it. Just get 100%.
Post by: Minim on October 10, 2009, 08:14:42 PM
I will think up some challenges here.
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 10, 2009, 08:23:47 PM
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Lemming 3 (from the right) builds to the left, Lemming 2 build to the left about in the middle of the room, then builds to the right to the wall, then builds again to the left to the wall. Lemming 1 builds about a 1/4th of the way from the left wall facing left, then all the way up to the right, then mines -- if everything's set up right, he mines all the way down the builder bridge to the exit. Lemming 4 bashes to the other exit from the left wall.
Post by: Minim on October 10, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
You were quick on getting the solution I have to admit.
A possibly easier challenge for this level coming up:
Solve it again, this time with 0 builders, 1 basher, 1 miner and 1 digger.
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 10, 2009, 08:49:44 PM
Your level's solution:
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Lemming 1 digs on the far right side, down the wall, and bashes to the right the floor under the 2nd and 3rd Lemmings so they can get to the left exit on the bottom. Lemming 4 mines down to the exit. Lemming 1 reaches the right exit.
Post by: Yawg on October 10, 2009, 09:11:03 PM
you can save replays by pressing "u" after you've played your solution, and then load replays by pressing "R" (that is, CAPITAL r ; you need to hold shift or have caps lock on).EDIT: I see how you did it. That wasn't the intended solution, but i almost like it more than mine. However, my solution does use a pretty rarely-seen trick.
Post by: Minim on October 10, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
Steve, I'm having a hard time following how you solved it...and it looks like a back route
I think it's "L" not "R" and you don't need to capitalise it to load replays.
Post by: Yawg on October 10, 2009, 09:19:01 PM
Steve, I'm having a hard time following how you solved it...and it looks like a back route
I think it's "L" not "R" and you don't need to capitalise it to load replays.
Um...wrong on both accounts. SHIFT + R opens the load replay window, and u saves your replay to the Replay folder of Lemmix. No prompt though. If you dont hold shift, the r key by itself is mapped to restart the level. As anyone that uses Lemmix is aware, I'm sure.
Post by: Minim on October 10, 2009, 09:23:17 PM
I thought you were talking about the Lemmix player, and not the tester. Now I understand what was going on. Now, I need to just calm down and put this in mind.
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 11, 2009, 02:39:27 AM
Post by: Yawg on October 11, 2009, 04:09:44 AM
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 11, 2009, 04:31:49 AM
Post by: Yawg on October 11, 2009, 05:05:32 AM
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 11, 2009, 05:08:20 AM
Can your intended route work with 10 builders? The replay obviously won't and the miner is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. I think it is, since at the minimum I needed 2 on the right hole, 5 in teh middle, 3 on the left, and one to stop the miner from breaching the floor.
Post by: Fernito on October 12, 2009, 04:05:58 AM
(I'm a bit late, I know )BTW, Insane Steve: it's your turn to post a challenge
Post by: Yawg on October 12, 2009, 04:42:12 AM
Hahaha I know the feeling.
Can your intended route work with 10 builders? The replay obviously won't and the miner is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. I think it is, since at the minimum I needed 2 on the right hole, 5 in teh middle, 3 on the left, and one to stop the miner from breaching the floor.
My intended solution actually requires all 20 builders. Thanks to your playtesting, I should be able to eliminate all the back routes, and have an air-tight puzzle ready for my 6th pack
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Post by: chaos_defrost on October 12, 2009, 09:16:50 AM
I'm going through my levels now to see what levels are good for this -- I have one level for ISteve11.dat but I don't want to post it quite yet.
Post by: namida on October 12, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
Hahaha I know the feeling.
Can your intended route work with 10 builders? The replay obviously won't and the miner is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. I think it is, since at the minimum I needed 2 on the right hole, 5 in teh middle, 3 on the left, and one to stop the miner from breaching the floor.
My intended solution actually requires all 20 builders. Thanks to your playtesting, I should be able to eliminate all the back routes, and have an air-tight puzzle ready for my 6th pack
Making a level that requires 20 builders and is genuinely puzzling without much tediousness is a pretty impressive feat in itself.
Post by: Fernito on October 13, 2009, 05:43:41 PM
RULES: Just finish it with the required savings, you can use either DOS or Custlemm mechanics.
EDIT: Oops, I'm a bit confused with the forum clock
Seems like 48 hours haven't passed yet, have they?
Post by: chaos_defrost on October 13, 2009, 08:50:40 PM
edit: ok got it
Post by: Fernito on October 13, 2009, 09:10:13 PM
).Anyway, it's Insane Steve's turn to post a challenge again
Post by: Fernito on October 16, 2009, 03:54:53 PM
Here's a new challenge. Just finish this level with the required savings and using the mechanics you prefer. Glitches are not allowed!
Post by: namida on October 18, 2009, 06:30:20 AM
There should be a rule that you cannot post a challenge for your own level; it must be someone else's. This should make it a bit more interesting.
Post by: geoo on October 19, 2009, 04:15:41 PM
I use this opportunity to present one of my old levels again - I think no-one has found the intended solution yet, as it was so easily backroutable.
That challenge is to get every lemming into a different exit - if you find a solution without that though, tell me as well.
One note: at the left, there are two one-pixel gaps. They both can be crossed by a lemming using a miner (only every second pixel works though).
Can I make a suggestion for future challenges:Well, not exactly more interesting, as new levels are usually more interesting than old ones with a challenge applied to them, but I actually see the point of your suggestion. On the other hand, it's a good platform to present new levels and have additional conditions applied to the solution, as well as refine old ones.
There should be a rule that you cannot post a challenge for your own level; it must be someone else's. This should make it a bit more interesting.
A challenge game concept, as you suggest, could also be done with the original/ONML level, as right now there's just a challenge topic providing a list of challenges.
Post by: Fernito on October 19, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Anyway, you confirmed that the key trick is unavoidable, and your solution is as tricky as the intended by me, so I declare myself satisfied PS: WOW! 1 second left! Here I attached the intended solution, just in case you wanted to know it.
As for your level, I'll see if I can work out the solution
@namida: I'd wish to keep this open. My initial idea was to post challenges using brand-new levels, but if you want to post old custom levels challenges you're welcome
Post by: ccexplore on October 20, 2009, 12:03:34 AM
I kinda now wish I haven't looked at the other solutions so I could be further challenged to re-solve it closer to the intended ways.
Oh well.