Post by: Minim on August 10, 2009, 09:43:35 AM
So, out of all the levels which are unsolvable with a 99 release rate, what's the maximum release rate used to solve these levels? I originally intented this for Lemmini as I claimed it had "a more accurate release rate than the DOS version and the Lemmix clone".
Anyway, these are the following levels which can't be solved with a 99 release rate, updated with new records.
Tricky 18: 87
Taxing 23: 91 (89 for 100%)
Taxing 28: 63 (3 for 87%)
Mayhem 10: 89 (97% result unconfirmed)
Wild 8: 89
Wicked 15: 77 (5 for 96%)
Havoc 5: 29
Havoc 9: 35
Havoc 12: 69
Frost 14: 53 (7 for 90%)
Hail 5: 91
Blitz 2: 97
Post by: ccexplore on August 12, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
One thing I want to comment on for the RR 99 thread is, I would be a little wary if any of the results reported had only been done on Lemmini and the solution has timing-critical parts. The problem is I don't know how "trustworthy" the timing of various things are in Lemmini. I know all the results ClamSpammer and I have reported on that thread are DOS Lemmings/Lemmix, so it'd be good for other people to comment on which levels they've reported results on using only Lemmini, or confirmed that all their results were done on Lemmix/DOS Lemmings. Personally I would've kept "Lemmini-only" levels on a separate list, but regardless, if there are levels that somehow only work on Lemmini they definitely should be called out as such.
Post by: ccexplore on August 12, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
This is the point where I prefer you use Lemmini, because this clone has a more accurate release rate than the DOS version and the Lemmix clone.
I don't get it, what's so "inaccurate" about the release rate of DOS and Lemmix?
The release rates cover all possible spacing between 2 lemmings from 4 pixels to 53 pixels, and works absolutely consistently (no elements of randomness and such).I would push for keeping separate lists for Lemmini because the timing of various things may differ from DOS/Lemmix, and as you know, timing can be a factor when you need to deal with high RRs. Not to mention there might be glitches specific to Lemmini that doesn't work on any other versions of Lemmings or even clones thereof.
Post by: ccexplore on August 12, 2009, 11:50:33 PM
The best I can do with Wild 8 is RR 89. And Blitz 2 can be done at RR 97 using that same method that "almost but didn't work" on RR 99.
Post by: Proxima on August 12, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Post by: Minim on August 13, 2009, 06:49:04 AM
This is the point where I prefer you use Lemmini, because this clone has a more accurate release rate than the DOS version and the Lemmix clone.
I don't get it, what's so "inaccurate" about the release rate of DOS and Lemmix?
I'll give you an example then. A 98 release rate has a 4-pixel distance which is equivalent to RR 99 in the DOS version and the Lemmix clone. Because the levels in Lemmini are basically doubled in size, The pixel spread of the lemmings is wider, (From 8 pixels to 106 pixels) making Lemmini the more accurate release rate. Oh dear.
I've just forgotten you can't use Lemmini for some levels, especially the Holiday lemmings levels.
Post by: namida on August 13, 2009, 07:45:20 AM
Post by: Minim on August 13, 2009, 07:58:30 AM
So I'll do this. If anyone (Including me) have any even results (Because they have Lemmini), I'll post them in and then I'll put in brackets the ones which are possible in DOS then.
Post by: ccexplore on August 13, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
I'll give you an example then. A 98 release rate has a 4-pixel distance which is equivalent to RR 99 in the DOS version and the Lemmix clone. Because the levels in Lemmini are basically doubled in size, The pixel spread of the lemmings is wider, (From 8 pixels to 106 pixels) making Lemmini the more accurate release rate.
Well, it's not really a matter of "accuracy" then, just that since Lemmini has double the graphics resolution, there's a reason for it to actually differentiate even and odd RRs. Whereas DOS Lemmings have a lower graphics resolution, therefore it has no reason to differentiate between RR 98 and 99 because you can't do 3.5 pixels anyway.
Post by: Minim on August 13, 2009, 08:36:53 PM
Post by: LemSteven on August 14, 2009, 04:51:55 AM
Solved Taxing 28 with 72% at RR 18 using Lemmini. That was tough, but I'm sure it's improvable.
Try 70% with RR 63! Although I wouldn't be surprised if 71% is possible at the same rate. The key lies in a climber glitch that is pretty well known around here by now. This same glitch is used in the 70/80 solution to the level.
I used DOS, btw.
Post by: Minim on August 14, 2009, 07:34:24 AM
Post by: Dullstar on August 15, 2009, 02:03:17 AM
Post by: Minim on August 15, 2009, 05:55:54 AM
I can't wait to see it. I can't do many glitches on Lemmini.Anyway, I've put in all the results as 1 for all levels for a start (Hail 5 set to 20 as the minimum release rate) and I don't want to see them anymore. I know you can all do well on these levels I mentioned. Get going! (I might be so harsh, I may do some more Original and Oh No more lemmings myself)
Post by: Clam on August 15, 2009, 08:15:26 AM
I tried Wicked 15 as well, and got up to 71 without losing too many lemmings to splats.
Post by: Proxima on August 15, 2009, 09:33:05 PM
For Havoc 12 I'm fairly sure it's 15. (EDIT: to clarify, I have completed it at 15 so you can put this on the list. I'm just not absolutely certain whether it's the best possible for the level, just that it is the maximum with the method I was using.)
Post by: Dullstar on August 16, 2009, 01:34:52 AM
That's the original version, after all.
Post by: Minim on August 16, 2009, 05:59:02 AM
) and also Hail 5 need to be done (Because the level's release rate is set to a minimum of 20)
Post by: Minim on August 20, 2009, 09:19:29 AM
The only "1" left is Frost 14 (Hmm... It's going to be over so quickly
Or slowly, because it wasn't bothered to be done yet.
Post by: Dullstar on August 21, 2009, 04:54:34 AM
Post by: Minim on August 21, 2009, 07:18:14 AM
All you have to do to activate the glitch is run the game... it's a major glitch that makes the game really hard to play.
Dullstar, what glitch? You're going slightly off topic here and my project is almost finished. Why don't you do Frost 14 and Hail 5.
Post by: Clam on August 21, 2009, 08:38:10 AM
Post by: Minim on August 22, 2009, 09:54:14 AM
Even after Frost 14 has been done I still won't close the topic, I will need to check some levels to see if they're beaten by using Lemmini. (For Frost 14, Hail 5 and Blitz 2 it's very hard to use it on Lemmini, but it's still possible to do so) 
Post by: Dullstar on August 23, 2009, 07:52:08 PM
Post by: Minim on August 23, 2009, 09:35:54 PM
Post by: Clam on August 23, 2009, 10:32:55 PM
I can get the required 80% on this level up to a release rate of 53.
Post by: Dullstar on August 24, 2009, 03:48:05 AM
Yes, I know that Amiga is the default version.
That's kind of like when I accidentally said "5 word time limit!"
Post by: Clam on August 24, 2009, 07:01:11 AM
The maximum RR for Havoc 9 is 35.Did you fix the entrances before playing this level? Anyway, I'm sure this can be improved - I completed it at RR17, and it looks like there's a bit of room to move yet.
For Havoc 12 I'm fairly sure it's 15. (EDIT: to clarify, I have completed it at 15 so you can put this on the list. I'm just not absolutely certain whether it's the best possible for the level, just that it is the maximum with the method I was using.)
Post by: Minim on September 04, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
I don't think you should lock the RR 99 thread. There's still the matter that some people may want to report 100% for some of the levels, plus there are other things people may want to comment on. Just let it go cold naturally like any other threads.
Alright then. You don't have to say that anymore because I now agree with you. I assume that everyone was disappointed that I locked the RR 99 thread.
I was thinking that in this topic it was either a "yes" or a "no" on each level, and I was itching to press the lock button after they were done.Anyway, I might also do perfect scores on these levels as well; And I also need to check if Mayhem 10 is doable with a 51 release rate because I haven't done that yet.
Post by: ccexplore on September 04, 2009, 07:13:48 PM
I don't know when I'll go back to revisit that thread, since there are all these new things going on right now that's taking up my attention.
Post by: Dullstar on September 07, 2009, 05:20:56 PM
Post by: Minim on September 07, 2009, 07:22:26 PM
Otherwise, you're welcome for nothing.
Post by: Dullstar on September 07, 2009, 07:30:04 PM
Post by: Minim on April 15, 2020, 07:42:17 AM
I made quite a few improvements, mostly for maximum %. I've bolded each of them. Most of the replays attached in a bundle will work with the old Lemmix Players currently on the NeoLemmix Website, and hopefully the new one too. I also decided to include Hail 5's 91RR result as it is fiddly to execute. The only one I'm stuck on is Mayhem 10's 97% challenge, though I improved on the 66% requirement significantly here as well. Frost 14 7RR is similar to the 90% solution I've pulled off yesterday.
Taxing 23: 91 (89 for 100%)
Taxing 28: 63 (3 for 87%)
Mayhem 10: 89
Wicked 15: 77 (5 for 96%)
Havoc 12: 69
Frost 14: 53 (7 for 90%)
My favourite level has to be Havoc 12, despite the fact there's only builders available. It's also the level with the best improvement, up from RR17. Hints below.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: namida on April 15, 2020, 06:56:32 PM
For reasons of replay compatibility, as well as that the new Lemmix might not be 100% accurate to DOS, I suggest sticking to the old one for challenges (until EricLang confirms that he's reproduced all known features that his existing code was missing, and someone with good knowledge of game mechanics such as ccexplore verifies this to be true).