I've gotten Lemmings 2 (downloaded from abandonia), The Lemmings Chronicles/ANWOL, and 3D Lemmings (both downloaded from this site) to run with DosBox, but all of them are without sound effects or music. They seem to work, but they're silent. As good as Lemmings music is, I just can't play them like that. With Lemmings 2, I get a brief message when it starts up. Something like Sound Failed to Initiate. I had very little trouble with Lemmings/Xmas/OhNo, however.
Has this happened to anyone else, and does anyone have any ideas on how to solve it?
Are you certain that sound is activated in DOSBox?
I've never encountered problems w/ sound before, especially with abandonia downloads. Here're some things you should check:
1) At least for Lemmings 2 and 3D Lemmings (I don't have ANWOL so I wouldn't know, but I suspect it has something similar), there's a settings program you should run, to make sure the sound/music settings are set to what you want. For Lemmings 2, that program is install.exe. For 3D Lemmings the program is setup.exe. DOSBox should support emulation of most sound hardware the games support, so just make sure the game settings aren't set to something like "no sound" or "no music" etc.
2) If the above didn't help, make sure to use latest versions of DOSBox, either 0.70 or 0.65.
3) If that still didn't help, make sure you don't set the DOSBox "CPU Cycles" setting too high. The default of 3000 should suffice for most games (well, maybe 3D Lemmings could use a higher setting). For certain sound hardware (eg. Adlib which is used for example in Lemmings and may be selected by you to use in some of the other games), DOSBox emulation has some bugs where you might not get sound if the CPU Cycles is set too high.
Hope this helps.
Thanks a lot. I used the install/setup files, and configured them to soundblaster, and now sound works perfectly in Lemmings 2 and Lemmings Chronicles.
However, there's still a problem with Lemmings 3D. It plays the music during the menu, and at the intro screen for each level, but it stops when starting the level itself. When I played it years ago on an older computer, I'm sure I remember there being music during the levels. The music doesn't seem to play during the levels no matter how high or low the CPU Cycles are.
Not sure if it'll help, but go back to the setup program for 3D Lemmings and make sure to set the "CD Music" setting to OFF. If that still doesn't help, try selecting a different sound hardware in the setup program.
The music works perfectly now. Thanks for all your help. :thumbsup:
There seems to be just one thing missing. The funny intro of the lemmings getting out of the computer and becoming 3D. I think it's supposed to play before the menu comes up, but it doesn't seem to be there. Does anyone have a link to it or instructions how to get it to play? If not, I can live without it.
Yes, it is meant to play before the menu.
However, it is only available on the original CD (it is also absent from the non-CD versions, I would guess), as are the animations that show at the end of each difficulty rank.
Those are gone too? Oh no...I liked those. I've searched the Internet for them, but have found hardly any videos from 3D Lemmings at all. If someone who has the CD could put them on Youtube or something, that'd be great, but if not...well, my old CD might be under one of those huge piles over there, but...oh well. Anyway, thanks again ccexplore for your help getting the sound working.
You know what? The simpliest thing would be that someone here that has the original 3DLemmings CD would do an Image CD. I want the original CD as well. Isn't 3D Lemmings considered as abandonware?
About the intro, you can get it in the demo of 3D Lemmings.
I've found my original 3D Lemmings CD, but couldn't get it to work in DosBox. I couldn't install it for some reason, and it also said it required Windows to work...but wouldn't work in Windows...
I've found that the CD does have a folder the download version doesn't, called ANIM. I think those are probablythe animations, the movies. They're large files. I've copied my downloaded L3D folder, and am considering copying the ANIM folder into that. I don't know what will happen if I run it like that, but I wouldn't doubt that some difference between the versions that will prevent it from working, or even from running. Could it mess up my computer to try running it with that folder in it?
I think copying the ANIM folder over should be harmless, even if it doesn't actually cause the game the use them.
As for the CD not working in DOSBox, one thing you could try is to install it outside of DOSBox (ie. in Windows), and then run the game under DOSBox after it is installed.
It also should be noted that if you want to use the CD-ROM under DOSBox, it is best to mount it like this:
mount d d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0 -ioctl (for Win2K/XP) or
mount d d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0 -aspi (for Win98)
(replace the "d" and "d:\" with the drive letter for the CD-ROM you're using)
[These are taken from the DOSBox readme.]
The readme explains that the switches shown above add emulation support for low-level operations with the CD-ROM, which the game might need for things like playing the music tracks on the CD, for example.
I can't believe it actually worked, but copying that folder into the download version actually made it play the intro, with sound and everything. I assume it will play the ones that are after finishing each level category as well. I don't know why it was left out of the download version in the first place. I don't know much about files, but is there a way for me to put it up for download for people who only have the download version, or maybe send it to the person who put the other version up to change it if for some reason they didn't have it, or something? Since it seems to work, I don't see why the download version shouldn't have it.
Could you possibly upload a CD Image file, or if your connection isn't that great, copy the CD and send it to someone who can?
They aren't image files, they're movies and some small "FX" files. The movies are rather large, a total of over 100 MB. If that's okay, where should I upload them, if that's what you meant? I don't know much about files and download websites.
Could their size be the reason they were left out of the download version? Or did the person who runs http://it.travisbsd.org/lemmings/ not have the files? If for some reason he did not, could I e-mail them to him, to put up for download along with the game itself? I would like to help make the movies available for people who don't have the CD.
You misunderstood what's meant by "CD Image". They're talking about basically a rip of the CD itself (ie. kinda like the raw data in it), not just the files that you can get off the CD. There should be plenty of tools on the web for creating a CD Image though I'm not familiar with this process myself.
As you can guess, the size is the big reason why the files are usually not made available for download. Most web hosting services limit the amount of traffic (ie. number of bytes in any given time period, essentially) going to/from your website charge you extra to support huge traffic. A 100+MB download made available to everyone can easily exceed the limits of most free web hosts and probably even some paid, basic service web hosts. That's one reason why huge downloads are hard to get. It probably also doesn't help that 3D Lemmings is nowhere in the same order of popularity as Lemmings, or more recent games that need the storage capacity of a CD.
Mindless is the author of the it.travisbsd.org/lemmings site, so hopefully he can determine whether it's feasible to support a 100 MB download from his site. It might not be feasible though.
I've thought of recording the movies when I get to them in the game itself, in Fraps, and putting them on Youtube. However, there are two problems:
I only have the free version of Fraps, which only records 30 seconds. I'm not a video making expert, and would have trouble putting the 30-second parts together well.
In addition to that, in the attempts I've made to record the intro with Fraps, the sound is very messed up while recording, and is also messed up while watching the recorded versions. Stuttering a lot. I guess DosBox and Fraps weren't designed for each other. The videos look good, but I'm not sure if there's a way around the sound glitches. I'll do some more experiments with it.
You could try recording the video and the sound separately, then use a video editing program to remove the audio track from the video recording and then add the separately recorded sound track into the video.
The advantage of doing this is that DOSBox has support for recording (more accurately, saving) its sound output to WAV, and there's a good chance you'll find the recorded sound from DOSBox to be stutter free, even in cases where the sound you actually hear has stuttering.
In fact, come to think of it, DOSBox starting version 0.65 already supports video recording itself, doesn't it? Do you even need Fraps?
Fraps is reserved for recent games that support DirectX. Not for old games like 3DLemmings that uses simpler video mode. Dosbox 0.70 has a video recording feature. Press CTRL+ALT+F5 while playing the game under Dosbox. When finished, press those keys again and an AVI file will be created.
I've tried recording the intro with DosBox now, with CTRL+ALT+F5. It can only be recorded as an avi file apparently, and I'm pretty sure that's a common file type. However, I can't use any of my media players to play the file. Windows Media Player has an error message saying "Error downloading codec" and will only play the sound. When I try DivX, it says I might need a "Directshow Decoder" to play it. I don't know anything about those, so I'm not sure about downloading one. I also don't know if the videos recorded with DosBox would be unusable on Youtube. As you can probably tell, I don't know much at all about video files. :huh:
Quote from: Megaritz on June 15, 2007, 08:22:13 PMI've tried recording the intro with DosBox now, with CTRL+ALT+F5. It can only be recorded as an avi file apparently, and I'm pretty sure that's a common file type. However, I can't use any of my media players to play the file.
An AVI is just a general container format for audio and video streams; the underlying formats of the audio and video streams themselves can be anything. If I recall, I believe DOSBox's recording capabilities use a custom codec which should be either included in DOSBox or can be installed/downloaded from the DOSBox website. Check the readme in DOSBox 0.70 to see what it says about recording and playback.
Once the proper codec is installed, you should be able to find any general programs to convert the movie from the DOSBox custom codec to using a standard codec that makes the movie usable on Youtube and the like.
There you go! (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=VideoRecording)
Thanks for the link, DragonsLover, the video can be played now.
Unfortunately, I've looked for a program like ccexplore mentioned to convert the videos from ZMBV to a standard codec, for Youtube, but can't find any. Do any of you know of one?
Don't search specifically for ZMBV; since you already installed that codec, I think any program that can understand AVIs should be able to load the movie, and then allow you to save/export it using a different codec installed on your computer, such as whichever one is standard for Youtube. If you have Windows XP, you can try Windows Movie Maker for example. Import the AVI, drag the imported clip into the storyboard at the bottom, then click the "Save to my computer" option under "Finish Movie".
Quote from: ccexplore on June 13, 2007, 09:35:56 PMMindless is the author of the it.travisbsd.org/lemmings site, so hopefully he can determine whether it's feasible to support a 100 MB download from his site. It might not be feasible though.
Actually, my host has no limitations, so the only reason not to host it is not making them angry.
Assuming the animations are raw video or perhaps run-length encoded, the files are very compressable. (I don't actually have a 3D Lemmings CD or I'd rip it myself, so perhaps Megaritz could give me a copy.)
The files in the ANIM folder don't have extensions, so I don't have any idea what kind of files they are. I've compressed them, but it's still 86 MB. I don't know whether there's a better way to compress them. I guess I could e-mail them to you, Mindless, if you'd like them.
I've put Megaritz's CD rip on my site, but I can't seem to make it work :(
What seems to be the problem?
It's a 7zip archive, so could you unpack it?
I could not install the game from the CD with DosBox, so I never learned whether it is possible to play the CD version without the CD. The original download version has a folder called L3D.CD that I suppose lets it play without the CD. You could put that folder in, which I guess you did with the original download version. (Unless you already put it in the second version; I haven't bothered re-downloading it.)
Or you could try putting the ANIM folder into the original download version like I mentioned earlier, and see if it works right. It did for me, but there might be some obscure reason it wouldn't work for other people. I think there should still be two versions though: one with the movies, and one for the people who don't want to download a 7X bigger game just for the movies.
If there's some confusion about what kind of file I uploaded, it's just the contents of the CD as a zip file, and not a "rip" which I don't know anything about, being rather computer-ignorant.
Quote from: evaarties on June 21, 2007, 06:23:22 AMWhat seems to be the problem?
It's a 7zip archive, so could you unpack it?
I'm the one who 7zipped it. :P I can't make the CD copy work in DOSBox.
Quote from: Megaritz on June 21, 2007, 07:19:23 AMI could not install the game from the CD with DosBox, so I never learned whether it is possible to play the CD version without the CD. The original download version has a folder called L3D.CD that I suppose lets it play without the CD. You could put that folder in, which I guess you did with the original download version. (Unless you already put it in the second version; I haven't bothered re-downloading it.)
It's identical, I just recompressed it.
Quote from: Megaritz on June 21, 2007, 07:19:23 AMOr you could try putting the ANIM folder into the original download version like I mentioned earlier, and see if it works right. It did for me, but there might be some obscure reason it wouldn't work for other people. I think there should still be two versions though: one with the movies, and one for the people who don't want to download a 7X bigger game just for the movies.
Don't worry, I'm leaving up both versions.
Quote from: Megaritz on June 21, 2007, 07:19:23 AMIf there's some confusion about what kind of file I uploaded, it's just the contents of the CD as a zip file, and not a "rip" which I don't know anything about, being rather computer-ignorant.
OK, it's not really a rip, since the CD-audio wasn't included, but it's close.
I could make a real CD rip if you like, will be around 450 MB in size.
Yeah, that'd be great.
Of course! :thumbsup:
I have also got the original Lemmings 3d but I am having trouble saving the settings from the setup program. Here's what I have done: -
Load up Dosbox 0.65 and use the appropriate commands for CD usage
Start up the lemmings 3d setup program
Go into 'Setup Hardware' and Select 'soundblaster' as both music and sound effects (since I have a Soundblaster type sound card)
CD music to on
Now the problem starts as when it comes to saving those settings so 3D lemmings could run. I select 'Exit to DOS', a 'Save Settings' window pops up, I highlight OK and hit Enter. I do so but it never goes back to DOS and the 'Save Setup' window does not dissapear. Its only when I select 'No' when something happens.
What do you think could be causing the problem?
Have you installed Lemmings 3d onto a harddisk?
OK, this is what I have done so far: -
I have copied all the contents of the Lemmings 3D CD onto my hard drive and run the setup off the hard drive without Dosbox (i.e. double clicking on setup.exe). The setup was successful (as the setup does not work very well via dosbox, (on cd, or not on cd)) and then go into dosbox and load up Lemmings 3d from the cd via dosbox.
The next problem is no SFX and no 'normal' music (I can get CD music). I think there was an earlier post on this thread about this so I'll take a look at that.