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Well, the one for LPII went well, and I figure more people will have played LPDOS completely and have favorite levels, so why not do one for that too?

So, the format will be basically the same as the LPII one was, except 15 levels at a time (with 3 votes) instead of 10 or 11 at a time.
Remember that in most rounds, you get more than one vote if you want! If you vote for less levels than the maximum, you cannot add other votes later!

General
Voting for each round closes when I decide to close it. I'll leave the first few open for a while, to see how active they get and how quickly, and decide on the rest from there. If you're finding it moves too fast, let me know.
You're allowed multiple votes in most rounds. You do not have to use all of your votes.
This will be based off the V7 level set.

Warning
The poll is set to allow 3 votes per round - there is no way I can change this. Please carefully pay attention to the number of votes allowed.

First Round
The levels are divided into 10 sets, each set being half of a rank. In this round, each user gets three votes.
All levels tied for first place qualify for the next round. If there is less than three of them, all levels tied for second place also qualify, as long as this will not bring the total number of qualifying levels to more than five. (More than five may qualify if they are all tied for first.)

Second Round
The qualifying levels from each rank are played off. In this round, each user gets one vote per four levels that have qualified for that set (rounded to the nearest whole number, .5 is rounded up). For example, if 9 levels have qualified, each user gets two votes.
All levels tied for first place qualify for the next round.

Third Round
All the qualifying levels are played off. In this round, each user gets one vote per four levels that have qualified for the round (rounded to the nearest whole number, .5 is rounded up). For example, if 7 levels have qualified, each user gets two votes.
All levels tied for first place qualify for the next round. If there is only one, all levels tied for second place also qualify for the next round. If there are two, all levels tied for second place also qualify for the next round, unless this would bring the total number of qualifying levels to more than 4. If there are three or more, second place is not considered.

Final Round
The qualifying levels from the third round are played off. In this round, each user gets one vote.
If there is an outright winner, that level has won the voteoff. If there is a tie, this round is repeated between the tied levels, until either there is a clear winner, or no further levels are removed (ie: all levels from the first tie, tie again) in which case the voteoff result is a draw between these levels.


Results

-- Round 1 --

 Mild 1 to Mild 15: The Graveyard | On The Pier | Let's Go!
Mild 16 to Mild 30: Up To Where We Go | The Quarantine | You Just Lost The Game!

 Wimpy 1 to Wimpy 15: Labyrinth Of Despair | Russian Rescue | Just When You Think You Know!
Wimpy 16 to Wimpy 30: No Need To Worry! | Ready, Aim, Fire!!! | Only One Place To Go

 Medi 1 to Medi 15: Fallen | Shooting Star
Medi 16 to Medi 30: The Oddstack | Lemmingsense

 Danger 1 to Danger 15: Backdraft | Some Kind Of Lemming | Circular Wavelength
Danger 16 to Danger 30: Grounded! | Die the Death of the Damned

 PSYCHO 1 to PSYCHO 15: Variety Day | Coalburner | Where Anything Goes
PSYCHO 16 to PSYCHO 30: Return of the T | Bullet Lemming | Hellfire!

-- Round 2 --

  Mild: On The Pier
 Wimpy: Russian Rescue
  Medi: Fallen | The Oddstack
Danger: Die the Death of the Damned
PSYCHO: Variety Day

-- Round 3 --

Russian Rescue | Fallen | Die the Death of the Damned | Variety Day

-- Round 4 --
WINNER: Medi 6 "Fallen"

Okay, so, first round    I like the first half of Mild, which starts off with very easy but short levels, and has a good progression (unlike, for example, Tame, which doesn't progress in terms of skill required, and has several long and very easy levels). None of the early levels really stands out from the rest, so I voted for 5, 11 and 12 (5 is a somewhat harder level that comes earlier than it should), with 13 and 14 being very close contenders.

My votes for this first round went to levels 1, 12 and 14.

Level 1? A level that solves itself? Because it still amuses me how I took the "pathetically easy level" concept to the extreme with that one. (In fact, it wasn't the generic filler levels you sometimes see that gave me the idea - rather, I got the idea from a Ducks level I made a long time ago, which looked hard but - purely by accident - if you completely left it alone without touching anything, it would solve itself for you. I didn't want to make the first level even look hard, though.)
Level 12, it seems to be more or less consensus that this is a good level - everyone who has voted so far has put one of their votes towards it. It's also probably the first level that has quite a large variety of possible solutions - you can build a landing place, dig down and build across the gap, go to the left then come back, or even go through the terrain hanging down. And probably a few more ways, too. (True, level 6 allows for a bit of variety in solutions, but nothing compared to what this level allows.)
Level 14, it's more that I like the design than the play of the level. With these easy ones, there's not that much to choose from, after all. Plus, I freaking LOVE this level's repeat. xD


As you can probably guess, the first four ranks are meant to roughly correspond to Fun, Tricky, Taxing and Mayhem from the original, with PSYCHO being kind of a post-Mayhem (kind of like Sunsoft on some versions). So, Mild is modelled more off Fun than Tame, except without training levels.

So our first place was On The Pier, with second place being a tie between The Graveyard and Let's Go.

New round is up. My votes for this round go to Up To Where We Go, The Quarantine, and You Just Lost The Game.

New round's up. I voted for Labyrinth Of Despair, Russian Rescue and Just When You Think You Know.

I voted for:

Labyrinth of Despair -- I love multi-entrance levels. In fact, I couldn't resist remaking this one for Lix. And then I set it to 3 of each skill (that includes the new Lix skills) and it turned out to be a really elegant and difficult puzzle! 

Russian Rescue -- Definitely the best puzzle level of the current group. It's fairly simple, as its position in the set indicates, but the route is well-hidden at first and so very satisfying when you see it.

A magician would be handy -- In spite of my general dislike of glitches, going through the steel on this level was great fun 

Have you tried completing Labyrinth with only one builder? That was one of the most interesting challenges I've had so far.

New round is up. I voted for No Need To Worry, Only One Place To Go and Counterlogical. (I'm sure the middle one was fully expected; it is after all one of only two proper puzzle levels (along with Russian Rescue) in Wimpy.)

New round is up now. My votes went to The T Level, Fallen, and Shooting Star.

New round is up. For the first time in this voteoff we only had two winners from the previous round - Fallen (completely expected - in fact, I'm expecting either it or No Time To Die to turn out as the final winner) and Shooting Star (somewhat surprising).

My votes this round go to The Oddstack, This Is... and Lemmingsense - though I had a hard time choosing between The Oddstack and Eye Of The Lemming. What it really came down to was that, after not touching Lemmings for a few years, when I played again Eye Of The Lemming was quite simple. On the other hand, The Oddstack was very challenging even for me. I'd say it's by far the hardest level in Medi, possibly even the hardest non-PSYCHO level in LPDOS.

EDIT:
Looks like we might be on track for only one level to qualify from this round, unless some of the levels tied for 2nd get some more votes.

I voted for Oddstack, The Diving Board and Lemmingsense. I love the appearance of This Is..., but I don't like the fact that most of the level is unused.

New round is up.
My votes went to (and you probably predicted all three of these) Backdraft, The Warp Room and Circular Wavelength.

I put the new round up last night but it seems I forgot to make a post mentioning it.
My votes went to Die The Death Of The Damned, Lair Of The Fallen Lemming and Pipeline Problem.

New round is up. I voted for Variety Day, Coalburner and Not Gonna Work.

I put the new round up last night but it seems I forgot to make a post mentioning it.

That's no reason to go straight on to the next round. Some people (including me) won't have gotten to vote because of this.

Sorry about that. I had guessed no one more wanted to, because there had been no votes after I posted that the round was up (all the votes had come in before the announcement anyway). :/

New round is up. My votes went to Return Of The T, No Time To Die* and To The End.
* Meaning Part 1, of course. I find Part 2 slightly annoying.

Oblivion would've got a vote, except that it didn't work out so nicely in DOS.

Just keep in mind that the next round will be a new topic, since I need to change the number of votes allowed.

Unsurprisingly, this was by far the hardest round to decide on votes -- so many excellent levels. I eventually voted for Bullet Lemming, No Time To Die (Part II) and Hellfire, but No Time to Die and To The End! were extremely close to being chosen.

Indeed! I'm kind of surprised No Salvation V didn't get any votes, maybe that's due to it's repeated nature. Though No Salvation IV (in Danger) did get one... actually we had the same result in LPII if I remember correctly, the Cunning version (2nd-highest rank) of Floater Frenzy was the only one that got a vote.

So at the moment looks like we're actually going to have four levels qualify... Return of the T, Bullet Lemming, To The End and Hellfire.
(The round is not over yet.)

Oblivion would've got a vote, except that it didn't work out so nicely in DOS.

Oh?  Does it still have backroutes?  I thought they had been fixed before.  Or is it more about DOS mechanics making execution slightly more annoying?

I'm not entirely sure about backroutes, but yes, the annoyance of execution is the primary reason. No matter how perfected the design gets, it'll never work out as elegantly as the Cheapo version did - I'm willing to bet that, even if they thought of the idea, no one (myself included) would have ever come up with the Oblivion trick if Cheapo hadn't existed. Still, the fact that you managed to get the concept working in DOS at all is still pretty damn impressive.

Akseli's replay. I believe this is a backroute?

Mod Edit: Restored attachments.

Anything that doesn't involve...

making most of the lemmings into blockers as crowd control, then later (once the worker is finished) freeing them all with a single basher

...is a backroute.


I can't actually view that replay since you uploaded the TXT, not the LRB... =P

New round is up. I decided not to start a new topic - I'm sure everyone here can be trusted to stick to the vote limit, and at any rate it's quite easy to see if anyone hasn't. Just make sure you read carefully. And to be clear:

Mild winners: 2 votes per user
Wimpy winners: 2 votes per user
Medi winners: 1 vote per user
Danger winners: 1 vote per user
PSYCHO winners: 2 votes per user

The formula is the number of qualifying levels divided by four, rounded to the nearest whole number. .5 is rounded up (so 4 or 5 levels = 1 vote, 6 levels = 2 votes). The same formula also applies to the semifinal round (whereas the final round is a fixed one vote per user).

My votes for this round went to On The Pier and You Just Lost The Game. YJLTG in particular, I think, does a great job of capturing the essence of Mild but adding that extra "final level of the rank" challenge and fun to it - as well as having a huge variety of solutions.



For the last round, I'm extremely surprised that neither No Time To Die nor To The End made it through. o_O Well, I guess my money would be on Return Of The T now.

New round is up. I voted for (very predictably) Russian Rescue and Only One Place To Go.

Russian Rescue is the winner!

For the new round, my vote went to Fallen.


EDIT: Wow, looks like we might be in for a tie this round. Oh well, they're both great levels. =D

Well, it's a tie between Fallen and The Oddstack.

Now for Danger. My vote goes to Die The Death Of The Damned.

New round is up. I voted for Variety Day and Return Of The T.

EDIT: Wow, we'd have a four-way tie at the moment if I hadn't voted for Variety Day! I was seriously *this* close to voting Coalburner instead. That's possibly the hardest pick between two levels I've had to make yet in the voteoffs. (Return of the T for the other vote was an easy enough choice.)

I'm also quite impressed by seeing RotT doing this well, as it's one of my oldest levels in existance. Of course, the LPDOS version of it is a remake, not the original (which was in Cheapo), but even so. It's also the first really hard level I ever made - while Bullet Lemming and Die The Death Of The Damned (in the form of Dialing 309 2000 from LP1) are older, their Cheapo counterparts were significantly easier, whereas RotT was, while *slightly* easier in the Cheapo version, still very hard. As I mentioned before, I'm also very surprised that neither No Time To Die nor To The End! made it past the first round - I was expecting one of those two to take the overall win. o_O

Semifinals are up! I voted for Fallen and Die The Death Of The Damned.

At the moment, looks like our final is going to be the levels of this round, minus Mild 12 and Medi 16...

Finals are up! My vote goes to Fallen. Both were excellent levels when they came out, but Die The Death Of The Damned doesn't hold its replay value (and the main idea of it is far more common in custom levels these days) as well as Fallen does.

Well, we have our winner!

Medi 6 "Fallen"

A good level, definitely, though I didn't expect it to be the ultimate winner.

As a little bonus, I changed the poll to be this vs the winner from LPII. =D