Title: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: Yawg on July 03, 2009, 02:17:23 AM
Post by: Yawg on July 03, 2009, 02:17:23 AM
Awhile ago I tried to get Lemmini up and running on my laptop (Vista), with no success. I was just curious if anyone else out there used Lemmini, and/or if they had gotten it to run on Vista. If not, how do you play test your levels? I only use the replay feature of lemmix.
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: ccexplore on July 03, 2009, 02:31:04 AM
Post by: ccexplore on July 03, 2009, 02:31:04 AM
I haven't done anything with Lemmini for ages, however if I recall correctly, it's written in Java correct?
Java is platform-independent, so I'd expect that Lemmini should not care whether it is running on Vista vs XP vs Linux vs Mac vs what-not. So maybe it has nothing to do with Vista, in which case you might want to check whether all the required files are there. (Again, not having used it for ages, I don't remember what files you need.)
Also, does Lemmini at least give you some sort of error message? The error message may give clues as to what's wrong.
Java is platform-independent, so I'd expect that Lemmini should not care whether it is running on Vista vs XP vs Linux vs Mac vs what-not. So maybe it has nothing to do with Vista, in which case you might want to check whether all the required files are there. (Again, not having used it for ages, I don't remember what files you need.)
Also, does Lemmini at least give you some sort of error message? The error message may give clues as to what's wrong.
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: Yawg on July 03, 2009, 03:08:35 AM
Post by: Yawg on July 03, 2009, 03:08:35 AM
I never even got it installed. Th hang up is when I set the source path for the lemmings data. I get the error
I'm 99% sure I have the correct files in this directory, and as I had troubles with obsolete file types in the past with other lemmings games I assumed Vista was to blame.
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Validating WINLEMM
GFX/BLINK.SPR
CRC error for file C:/OLDGAMES/NoCDLemm/GFX/BLINK.SPR.I'm 99% sure I have the correct files in this directory, and as I had troubles with obsolete file types in the past with other lemmings games I assumed Vista was to blame.
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: lorcan on July 03, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
Post by: lorcan on July 03, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
It's maybe to one of the following reasons :
- Which version of Lemmini do you use? If it is 0.79 the extraction process fails due to a CRC check with a file you don't have. Update then to version 0.79b (http://lemmini.de)
- Which version of WinLemm do you use? I can read "/NoCDLemm/" in your post so maybe it's a cracked version and so it could be logical that the CRC check fails since cracked files are different... Could you give us the CRC of your BLINK.SPR so that we can tell you if your are corrupted or not? You can use fsum or fsum frontend to generate hashes.
Lemmini checks files using the adler32 checksum algorithm. Don't mistake adler32 with CRC32, MD5,... Your BLINK.SPR file should have the following hashes :
If you have other values Lemmini will fail at extraction for sure.
- Which version of Lemmini do you use? If it is 0.79 the extraction process fails due to a CRC check with a file you don't have. Update then to version 0.79b (http://lemmini.de)
- Which version of WinLemm do you use? I can read "/NoCDLemm/" in your post so maybe it's a cracked version and so it could be logical that the CRC check fails since cracked files are different... Could you give us the CRC of your BLINK.SPR so that we can tell you if your are corrupted or not? You can use fsum or fsum frontend to generate hashes.
Lemmini checks files using the adler32 checksum algorithm. Don't mistake adler32 with CRC32, MD5,... Your BLINK.SPR file should have the following hashes :
- adler32 : 1a3f9bb6
- crc32 : FDEE8022
- md5 : AFEEBFAD7DA1FBF5CBA8C0664D8E1C17
If you have other values Lemmini will fail at extraction for sure.
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: Yawg on July 03, 2009, 04:48:47 PM
Post by: Yawg on July 03, 2009, 04:48:47 PM
To be honest, I possess none of the technical knowledge required to try any of those things... I think I get the gist of what you're suggesting though. I thought I had the correct copy of the game on my computer, but I'm guessing I don't; Lemmini calls for the files from Lemmings for Windows (95) and I suppose I don't have that...could anyone provide me with a download link?
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: ccexplore on July 03, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
Post by: ccexplore on July 03, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
The Lemmings File Archive has one you could try and see:
http://camanis.net/lemmings/lemmingswelt/index.php?cmd=get&file=/winlemm_data.zip
http://camanis.net/lemmings/lemmingswelt/index.php?cmd=get&file=/winlemm_data.zip
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: Yawg on July 04, 2009, 02:30:13 AM
Post by: Yawg on July 04, 2009, 02:30:13 AM
The Lemmings File Archive has one you could try and see:
http://camanis.net/lemmings/lemmingswelt/index.php?cmd=get&file=/winlemm_data.zip
That did the trick! Thanks!
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: lorcan on July 04, 2009, 09:33:55 AM
Post by: lorcan on July 04, 2009, 09:33:55 AM
OK so you had a bad version of WinLemm. You should be careful with uncertain/unsure data, it could cause damage to your files, or even your system... 
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: The Doctor on July 04, 2009, 11:05:34 AM
Post by: The Doctor on July 04, 2009, 11:05:34 AM
This thread should be renamed, because it could be useful to others who may not be running Windows Vista.
Title: Re: Lemmini and Vista
Post by: Yawg on July 04, 2009, 03:35:01 PM
Post by: Yawg on July 04, 2009, 03:35:01 PM
This thread should be renamed, because it could be useful to others who may not be running Windows Vista.
Done
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: Tim on July 05, 2009, 01:24:22 AM
Post by: Tim on July 05, 2009, 01:24:22 AM
I have Lemmini on my computer (with Vista) and it works perfectly. I put it all into a zip folder and wanted to upload it somewhere for everyone here to access, but I dont know of a place to put it. The old file portal wont let me put it there. This has my custom tilesets already configured to it along with Lemmix.
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: lorcan on July 05, 2009, 06:36:29 AM
Post by: lorcan on July 05, 2009, 06:36:29 AM
Tim, don't upload a zip including Lemmini+WinLemm. I think Volker (aka 0xdeadbeef, the creator of Lemmini) wouldn't agree! (for legal and personal reasons). So I'd advise you to respect his choice
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: The Doctor on July 05, 2009, 06:38:15 AM
Post by: The Doctor on July 05, 2009, 06:38:15 AM
Tim, don't upload a zip including Lemmini+WinLemm. I think Volker (aka 0xdeadbeef, the creator of Lemmini) wouldn't agree! (for legal and personal reasons). So I'd advise you to respect his choice
Agree+1
On his Lemmini page, he expresses says that Lemmini should only be used with legally obtained copies of Lemmings for Windows. Of course, people can do what they like to obtain Lemmings for Windows, but it would do him dishonour to distribute his software with an illegal copy of those resources.
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: Dullstar on July 06, 2009, 06:29:02 AM
Post by: Dullstar on July 06, 2009, 06:29:02 AM
I tried installing it on Ubuntu (which is a Linux distribution, for those who are wondering), and I couldn't figure out how. Of course, I couldn't tell it where WinLemm was, cause it never even GOT that far.
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: lorcan on July 06, 2009, 07:09:33 AM
Post by: lorcan on July 06, 2009, 07:09:33 AM
I had already installed and played Lemmini on Ubuntu in the past (version 8.04 aka Hardy Heron) and it worked like a charm. I think I just needed to set the sound profile... In short, nothing that complicated
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: The Doctor on July 06, 2009, 10:09:54 AM
Post by: The Doctor on July 06, 2009, 10:09:54 AM
Dullstar, I presume you have sun-javaplugin-nonfree installed?
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: Dullstar on July 16, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
Post by: Dullstar on July 16, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
I have Java Webstart, but it doesn't work. I marked EVERY package I had of Java for re-installation, too! What kind of rabid apes made that software, anyways?!
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: The Doctor on July 16, 2009, 10:06:38 PM
Post by: The Doctor on July 16, 2009, 10:06:38 PM
Sun Microsystems, lol.
What sort of errors are coming up when you try to use Lemmini.jar, Dullstar?
Try running it from the Terminal (java lemmini.jar) and see what the output is.
What sort of errors are coming up when you try to use Lemmini.jar, Dullstar?
Try running it from the Terminal (java lemmini.jar) and see what the output is.
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: lorcan on July 17, 2009, 07:38:27 AM
Post by: lorcan on July 17, 2009, 07:38:27 AM
Which distribution/version of JAVA do you have installed on your machine? Did you install it yourself or was it already installed with the OS? Which version of Ubuntu do you use? If I remember well I had to install (manually) another version of JAVA than the version provided with the OS because it didn't work correctly. I think that the preinstalled version even didn't work in Firefox (not detected) 
I don't know if the following versions of Ubuntu fixed this. I think (I'm not sure I remember well) that the version of JAVA installed with Ubuntu wasn't the official release by Sun but a tweaked version... Again, I'm not sure. It's been ages 
A silly question but ... how do you launch Lemmini? Do you rightclick "lemmini.jar" and choose "Open with
I don't know if the following versions of Ubuntu fixed this. I think (I'm not sure I remember well) that the version of JAVA installed with Ubuntu wasn't the official release by Sun but a tweaked version... Again, I'm not sure. It's been ages A silly question but ... how do you launch Lemmini? Do you rightclick "lemmini.jar" and choose "Open with
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: Dullstar on July 18, 2009, 09:51:06 PM
Post by: Dullstar on July 18, 2009, 09:51:06 PM
I did identify the problem. The Java Webstart thing? Doesn't work. I wonder if the one I installed on Windows can work...
I don't get an error. What I get is... nothing.
I should be able to make another try at this later when the next version of Ubuntu arrives, although that won't be until, if I remember correctly, sometime in October.
I'm going to reboot the computer, then try all suggestions. I did admittedly try using the website's link to use Java Webstart, because I couldn't find which file was the one you were supposed to run.
I don't get an error. What I get is... nothing.
I should be able to make another try at this later when the next version of Ubuntu arrives, although that won't be until, if I remember correctly, sometime in October.
I'm going to reboot the computer, then try all suggestions. I did admittedly try using the website's link to use Java Webstart, because I couldn't find which file was the one you were supposed to run.
Title: Re: Lemmini Troubleshooting
Post by: Dullstar on August 10, 2009, 02:57:19 AM
Post by: Dullstar on August 10, 2009, 02:57:19 AM
I FINALLY got it to work. But I'm not getting any sound...