Family Feud 2014

[Quizmaster]

Welcome back, folks! Without further adieu, here are the results of the feud.

Contestants, in no particular order:
ccexplore
Akseli
Simon
NaOH
Clam
geoo
mobius
Minim(ac?)

Breakdown of score by question:

Question 1. What is the tastiest colour of jelly bean?

Red (1): Minim, Clam, Simon, geoo, Akseli, ccexplore
Yellow (0.167): möbius
Green (0.167): NaOH

Question 2. You're making yet another Lemmings clone. What critter do you use instead?
Capybaras (1): Clam, geoo, Akseli
Mice (0.667): Simon, Minim
Bunnies (0.333): ccexplore
Pandas (0.333): NaOH
Spiders (0.333): möbius

Question 3. What doesn't go well with Club-Mate?

Nothing (1): Akseli, Simon
Wurst (0.5): geoo
Chocolate (0.5): Minim
Everything (0.5): möbius
Coffee (0.5): Clam
Leek (0.5): ccexplore
Guile's Theme (0.5): NaOH

Question 4. The IRC logger bot needs a new name, because |Lovely| just isn't lovely enough. What would you suggest?

|Lovelier| (1): Simon
|Loveliest| (1): Clam
|Adorable| (1): geoo
|Bob| (1): AKseli
Bunny (1): ccexplore
Spybot (1): NaOH
Killer (1): Minim
Penny Farthingale Elanor Rosenshaft III (1): möbius

Question 5. What is a Lemming's best weapon?

Suicide bomber (1): geoo, Clam, Minim
Nuke (0.667): ccexplore, Akseli
Numbers (0.333): NaOH
Bazooka (0.333): Simon
Miner's Pick (0.333): möbius


Question 6. How much meat is enough meat?

There is never enough meat (1): möbius, geoo, Akseli
There is never too much meat (0.333): ccexplore
Another day, another cow (0.333): NaOH
1 kg (0.333): Simon
100 g (0.333): Minim
Zero (0.333): Clam

ccx's answer gave me a lot of grief. Is "there is never too much meat" equivalent to "there is never enough meat"? On the one hand, the statements "there is enough meat" and "there is too much meat" are clearly distinct. However, their negations are more difficult to compare.

Finally, I decided I couldn't score this objectively and decided to open the floor to the two people sitting next to me in chemistry. They both agreed that the two statements mean different things, although had trouble elucidating exactly how. By democracy, ccx loses points.

Question 7. Who will be the next Quizmaster?

geoo (1): NaOH, Clam, geoo, Akseli
Simon (0.5): ccexplore, möbius
ccexplore (0.25): Simon
möbius (0.25): Minim

Interestingly, even geoo predicts geoo will be the next Quizmaster. Peer pressure?

The ccexplore-Simon loop is very amusing. Perhaps they should both host a round.

Question 8.  The number of holes in Octohole is not 0, 1, 8, or 10. What's your next guess?

9 (1): ccexplore, geoo, Simon, NaOH
18 (0.5): Akseli, Minim
2 (0.25): Clam
i^2 = -8 (0.25): möbius

I was completely unaware of the true meaning of Octohole, but here is an explanation from Simon:

[Nine] is the factual answer, Octohole was a Clones map modification with 8 dark holes plus another huge one in the center.

Question 9. Can you guess the Quizmaster password?

password (1.5): Clam
asdfasdf (1): Akseli
wurstwurst (1): Simon
octohole (1): geoo
Steve Harvey (1): Minim
ClubMate867 (1): möbius
(NaOH's last name in real life) (1): ccexplore

The correct answer is, indeed, password. 

Bonus:

1. ccexplore, Akseli, geoo
3. Clam, möbius
4. Simon, NaOH
5. Minim

Looks like the highest number wins out. Minim gains 0.5 bonus points.

Trivia:
Question 1: geoo is a vampire.

RED (tastes like blood!)

Interestingly, the bonus question was the premise for an actual bid in Germany.

Regretfully, Clam, who, learning from the results in the previous feud, gave the smallest answers possible for the quantity questions (6 and 8 ), expecting them to be the most popular... Clam gains 0.5i bonus points for irony.

Final results:

8.5 geoo
8.167 Akseli
7.58 + 0.5i Clam (Imaginary part discarded for scoring, sadly)
6.75 Minim
6.58 Simon
6.33 ccexplore
5.08 möbius
4.67 NaOH
♥.♥♥ |Lovely|

[ccexplore]

ccx's answer gave me a lot of grief.

Something you could have cleared up quickly by just PMing me for a clarification. My answer is meant to be equivalent to "There is never enough" (ie. an entire universe's worth of meat is not "too much").  But hey, I understand the ambiguity and I accept the resultant scoring.  I blame the lousy language of English.

My Octohole answer is purely by luck, as 9 is between 8 and 10 and I figure it'd be a popular random guess.  I've played Clones but predominanently singleplayer, so I forgot about that multiplayer level even though I think I might've played it a few times actually.

[ccexplore]

I blame the lousy language of English.

Or perhaps the specific wording of the question.  I think a "too much" wording pops into my head because the question starts with "how much".  I acknowledge though that the question does ask about what quantity is "enough", so an "enough"-based wording would've been the more logical answer to give.

The difference between enough and too much is not that confusing actually, once you break things down per below.  Although there is another ambiguity not really addressed in NaOH's comments:
  - There are 3 mutually-exclusive categories, from smallest to largest:  "not enough [aka too little]", then "enough", and then finally "too much".
  - In one interpretation, "there is never <blah>" merely means "the other two categories that is not <blah>".  So technically "there is never enough" can mean you always have either too little or too much.
  - That said, I'm pretty sure what möbius, geoo, Akseli meant is this other, more likely/common interpretation (partly due to the question asking "how much" and "much" by itself refers to a big quantity):  "the categori(es) smaller than <blah>".  In this interpretation, "there is never enough" means "there is always too little", while "there is never too much" technically means "there is always either too little or just enough".  Even though in my mind I meant to say "there is always too little, never even just enough" despite my answer.

And anyway, feud scoring technically doesn't care what any of the answers mean, as long as they are the most popular.  Though I suppose the subset rule does have to take into account the semantics of the answers.  Not sure how it'd apply in this case.

[Simon]

Yes, exactly the right entertainment before going to bed, feud-induced philosophical/metamathematical discussion with ccexplore. *hamster* *hamster* *hamster* Thanks for the nice read.

[20:48] <SimonN> "never too much" allows for a quantity that is enough, but not too much; "never enough" doesn't (I'm very happy posting this quote, because this turns out to hold in both interpretations of the categories!)
[20:49] <NaOH> so they are distinct then, very good. I had three hours of sleep so logic is not my forté at the moment.
[20:49] <geoo> yeah, they are clearly distinct. Of course, maybe ccx mean't something else than he wrote
[20:50] <SimonN> half the fun of the game is that you're hosed if you write something else than you mean
[20:50] <NaOH> haha, yes

[mobius]

I blame the lousy language of English.

no you're right; English sucks

on the other hand: I immediately thought of One Piece on this question knowing NaOH is also an anime fan. It could be argued this was unfair in my favor but octohole question also seemed to be insider knowledge question which was unfair against my favor. I'm not complaining however; I don't care about this sort of thing at all.

[Proxima]

The difference between enough and too much is not that confusing actually, once you break things down per below.  Although there is another ambiguity not really addressed in NaOH's comments:
  - There are 3 mutually exclusive categories, from smallest to largest:  "not enough [aka too little]", then "enough", and then finally "too much".
  - In one interpretation, "there is never <blah>" merely means "the other two categories that is not <blah>".  So technically "there is never enough" can mean you always have either too little or too much.

This isn't really true    "Enough" means "the required quantity or more". "There's never enough" means "There is always a quantity less than required".

[ccexplore]

Hmm, fair point.  "Enough" by itself means sufficiency so "more than required" would also qualify as "enough".  I guess you can say I'm mixing up "enough" with "just enough".  +1 again to language subtlety.

[grams88]

Hi everyone

There was an interesting study where the question was something like, what is the first colour that comes to mind. The answer that appears the most seems to be red, (Interesting how most of you picked the red Jelly baby)  Could be a connection.

[Quizmaster]

Family Feud Round 11 (apparently)!

Note: questions 0-7 and 9 use standard feud scoring, question 8 has its own scoring.

0. It's your anniversay for joining the Lemmings Forum, time to celebrate big!
But first you need to prepare for the party. You need to send invitation letters.
How many guests do you invite?

1. You're in a dark alley, trying to buy white powder to decorate your cake.
There are various persons, some shadier than others. Who do you buy from:
a) the tall groomed guy in a suit sporting a fedora
b) the old man with a filthy beard and rugged clothes
c) the lightly dressed blonde woman who looks a lot younger than she really is
d) the grandma running a baking accessories store having an angry look and a
rolling pin in her hand

2. You want to make special brownies from the stoner's cookbook.
The ingredients list reads as follows:
a) 1 cup of special brownie mix
b) 1 cup of sugar
c) 1 cup of butter
d) 2 cups of milk
e) 2 eggs
Unfortunately, you're on a limited budget, having spent all your money on white
powder from some shady person, and can only afford four of the ingredients.
Which one do you leave out?

3. You bought your ingredients now, but you just realized that you missed
that the recipe also says that you need 2 cups of flour.
You don't want to go to the shops again, and you can't afford it anyway,
what do you use as substitute?
a) sweepings from sweeping your floor
b) concrete from drilling a hole in a wall
c) more white powder you got from a shady person in a dark alley
d) sawdust from sawing your desk into bits

4. You mixed all the ingredients now, put everything in the oven at 200
degrees celsius. How long do you wait until you take the cookies out of the
oven?

5. While your cookies are baking, you decorate your cake. Alas, you lack
cherries, what to you put on top instead?

6. On to the main dish. What, in your opinion, is the most important
ingredient in curry-leek noodles?

7. Looking at your creations, you realize that maybe you should have hired a
proper chef. Who's the best chef of the Lemmings forum?

8. Too late for a new chef though, so guess what, you order pizza. You'll
order three pizzas, all with different toppings. You'll order one pizza with
each of the three most popular toppings, and each pizza is shared evenly
between those people who requested the topping (1 pizza = 2 points). If
there's a tie for third, you only order two pizzas. If there's a three-way tie
for second, you only order 1 pizza. If there's a four-way tie for first, you
just argue and don't order anything. What topping do you request?

9. Who should host the next round of Family Feud?

[grams88]

Hiya

Could I take part? I never took part in this one before so this would be the first time. I take it you send the answers by Private message, keep me right guys just in case I'm doing something wrong (Many thanks) 

[Quizmaster]

Of course you can! Just send a PM with your answers to the Quizmaster.

[grams88]

That's me sent my PM.

[Quizmaster]

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[ccexplore]

I'd like to think we are given at least a week for each round, so there's still 2 days left by my count.   At least this time around, I know I'll have plenty free time starting Thursday (Thanksgiving in US) so you'll see my answers soon anyhow.

[grams88]

Just to double check did my PM come through okay.

(Many thanks)