The Lemmings quiz thread!

[tseug]

What happened to levi's quetion? I only know the name and number of one, and nothing about the other.

[Jazzem]

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I didn't notice, Dragonslover forgot to answer! I guess the next person will have to answer my/levi's questions.

[ccexplore]

I didn't notice, Dragonslover forgot to answer!

Has he ever answered anything? This is at least the second time he cut in with only a question.

I'm still wondering how Ahribar got the graphics for the interactive objects without using LemEdit.

I wish I can answer the question but I'm just not familiar enough with the Genesis version.

[Proxima]

Trade secret  :

[DragonsLover]

Nope, I didn't answer. Sorry, I've skipped this question.

[Proxima]

OK..... anyone else? Even partial information?

(If you can't be bothered looking back, the question was: which two levels unique to the Genesis/MD version form a repeated terrain pair but with a slight alteration to the terrain layout, other than the two "Fall and No Life" levels?)

[tseug]

One of them is Taxing 2: temporary peace

I guess I should set a new question:
Which non-constant traps work on lemmings with no ground under their feet?

[ccexplore]

I guess I should set a new question:
Which non-constant traps work on lemmings with no ground under their feet?

[smiley=huh.gif] I was under the impression that all traps will activate as long as the lemming enters the relevant trigger area, walking or otherwise?

In any case, I'm quite certain there is no difference in how the game treats the various forms of a non-constant trap (ie. the ones that's harmless to other lemmings while operating on a victim); they differ purely in the graphics.  So the answer would have to be either all of them or none of them.

[tseug]

Some of them are different. And constant traps are different, the lemming is technically still there while the animation is playing. On non-constant traps the lemming is removed as soon as the animation starts.

Maybe the number would help? I'll go count again to make sure I have it right.

EDIT: Some traps have trigger areas only 4 pixels wide. I missed a few, cce may be right.

EDIT2: cce is right, just ignore that question. The problem was that objects are aligned to multiples of 8, so some of them missed. An interesting thing I discovered though is that the trigger area for all non-constant traps is 4 pixles wide. I think it's also 4 pixels high.

[Leviathan]

I tried saving a drowning lemming by putting the exit in the drowner's path but it seems to fail...

With non-constant traps,the lemming is removed instantly,the lem you see "frying" or so,is an animation and not a real lem.

However with constant traps (also water/lava/acid/tentacles) the real lemming is still there and does unusual stuff.
And this is what intrigues me a lot...there are also several other "unusual" behaviors of lemmings:
-Jumper (no skill can be distributed I guess except bomber)
-Oh-no-er (behaves very strangely,especially when he enters the exit while oh-no-ing)
-Splatter (the lem also remains for a little while)
-Faller (can be turned around by blocker)
-Shrugger (I know in certain versions this can trigger really strange behavior)

After all this,I wonder in which situations a lem can be saved and/or cause abnormal/glitchy behavior...

One other thin that seems strange to me is that interactive objects have a trigger area but exits don't work when there's no terrain under them...

[ccexplore]

An interesting thing I discovered though is that the trigger area for all non-constant traps is 4 pixels wide. I think it's also 4 pixels high.

No, I remember the electrode trap used in "Rhapsody in Blue" has a height of 8 for the trigger area.  And I would think the spike traps in Taxing 4 probably has a height that's closer to the graphical height of the trap than only 4 pixels.

I don't remember the width, but I seem to remember the electrode trap trigger area's height is also 8.

It's true though that the minimum possible trigger area is 4x4, just like steel areas.  So it makes sense that many non-constant traps will have trigger areas of that size.

[ccexplore]

I tried saving a drowning lemming by putting the exit in the drowner's path but it seems to fail...

Although I'm not 100% positive off top of my head, I'm fairly confident that you cannot save a drowning lemming.

I believe I mention some time ago that when trigger areas overlap, the one with the highest z-order lower than 16 "wins" the overlap.  In other words, the trigger area with the highest z-order below 16 overwrites other trigger areas in the overlap.

I'm also somewhat certain that the game will not drift a drowning lemming to a location that is non-water, for obvious reasons.

So you have a catch-22.  If you want the lemming to drift to the location with the exit's trigger area, you would need to have water in that area, but then the water would overwrite the exit's trigger area, basically erasing the exit.

[ccexplore]

Having pointed out that DragonsLover doesn't always answer questions, I'm going to be hypocritical now and step in to replace tseug's withdrawn question :

In Genesis Lemmings, there are 2 pairs of levels such that:

1) One level's title names the level as "part 2" of the other level.
2) The "part 2" level precedes the other level in the natural ordering (ie. ascending rating then number).

Name the levels in each of the two pairs.

Hint:  criteria #1 specifically concerns only the title.  The levels are not necessarily similar......

[Leviathan]

I tried saving a drowning lemming by putting the exit in the drowner's path but it seems to fail...

Although I'm not 100% positive off top of my head, I'm fairly confident that you cannot save a drowning lemming.

I believe I mention some time ago that when trigger areas overlap, the one with the highest z-order lower than 16 "wins" the overlap. &#A0;In other words, the trigger area with the highest z-order below 16 overwrites other trigger areas in the overlap.

I'm also somewhat certain that the game will not drift a drowning lemming to a location that is non-water, for obvious reasons.

So you have a catch-22. &#A0;If you want the lemming to drift to the location with the exit's trigger area, you would need to have water in that area, but then the water would overwrite the exit's trigger area, basically erasing the exit.

I've noticed some drowners drifting outside water objects (air) I think,but I certainly saw a drifter bouncing back when he hit a wall.

What would happen if I set the Z order from the exit to 0 and that of the water to 1,hence having the exit trigger area overlapping some parts of the water?

[ccexplore]

The part of the exit's trigger area that overlaps with the water's will be overwritten by the water (since the water has the higher z).  So this is exactly like what I said above, you won't have an exit trigger area for the lemming to drift to.

In the reverse case, it should be the case that the lemming will not drift past the exit's trigger area.  It's possible that graphically the lemming might look to have reached the trigger area (ie. some of the observed motion is in the animation rather than explicitly repositioning the lemming), but that would just be graphical.

Try it out and see what happens.  As I said, I'm not 100% sure.