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Offline Minim

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The top 3 levels of each user pack
« on: October 27, 2009, 06:21:34 AM »
Right then. Here you can post your top 3 favourite levels in each level pack of (mostly) 10 levels, and also you can optionally put a "cream of the slop" which is a level you dislike the most out of each level pack. You may put in the bottom 3, but I think it's better to put in the positives than the negatives. Here is the only rule:

The packs you download must be from the Lemmings file archive. I chose page 4 so that is easier to find all pages for different levels.

So let's go!
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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 09:02:17 PM »
Interesting idea.  :)  I'd post something, but I don't really know where to begin. There are so many levels on the archive that I haven't beaten...

Are you going to lead by example...?  :P
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Lemmings in Weirdyland (NeoLemmix):
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6135.0

My levels for Lemmings 2 The Tribes can be found here:
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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 06:41:25 AM »
I chose page 4 so that is easier to find all pages for different levels.

Now that you mention it, not being able to see many page links is really annoying, so I put a few minutes into hacking up that ugly old PHP code... and now it's less annoying I hope. :)

(I put in a another small feature that has been needed for a long time, too.)

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 02:00:03 AM »
geoopk0

1 - crossing stairs
2 - Everything you don't need
3 - Finding a place to stay
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10 - Mission at max-fall 60


geoopk1

1 - Supaplex Tricks...
2 - More 'No Builder Problems'
3 - The way up
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10 - Twice the same?

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 10:29:09 AM »
It's Clam Spammer's packs next:

ClamSpam01

Cream of the Crop

1: Lemmings Recycling Plant
2: Hello Goodbye
3: Dig this!

Cream of the Slop
10: Escape from Alcatraz

ClamSpam02

1: Times Four (circular clicking)
2: Get out of the pool!
3: Cut the Red Wire
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10: Bumpy Ride

ClamSpam03

Cream of the Crop

1: Turning the Screws
2: Who lives... and who dies.
3: The Other Side
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Cream of the Slop
10: Lem ramp scam
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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 08:40:30 PM »
I'm glad you like Lemmings Recycling Plant despite its backroutedness. (Actually, the backroute isn't that bad I guess...)


lm_set01

1: Builderless work
2: More builderless work
3: Where do I dig next?
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10: Fired up my lonely friend?



ISteve01

1: Watch Ye Step!
2: It's not that easy, I'm afraid
3: Why can't they just run?
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10: BLEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGH!!!

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 08:48:07 PM »
What's your method of working through the packs? Is it chronological, alphabetical, or arbitrary?  :)
My projects:

Lemmings in Weirdyland (NeoLemmix):
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6135.0

My levels for Lemmings 2 The Tribes can be found here:
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=990.0

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 06:28:33 PM »
Oh gosh!  I finally beat a level in ClamSpam01!
It wasn't a great level though, but it could easily be improved by moving the entrance just a little to the left.

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 11:15:21 PM »
Would you mind telling me which level? ;)

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 08:13:22 PM »
ClamSpam04
1: From the Brink
2: The Floodgates Open
3: Builders' Cracks
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10: Empty Apartment

Uncharacteristically many lengthy levels amonst the top, but they're just ingenious. Even Empty Apartment is a good level, but this pack is so high quality that it falls last.

ISteve01
1: Watch Ye Step!
2: It's not that easy, I'm afraid
3: Rhapsody
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10: BLEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGH!!!

More to come perhaps sometime.

Perhaps it'd also be interesting to evaluate one's own levels, so see whether one's own reception complies with other people's views on the levels.
In that regard @ClamSpammer: have you solved the modified version (to remove blatant backroutes) of level 9 of my Pk1 (Trading and Cooperating)? This is actually one of my favourites from my own levels, if only it hadn't all these backroutes when I initially released it.

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 10:07:25 PM »
ClamSpam02

1: Times Four (circular clicking)
2: Get out of the pool!
3: Cut the Red Wire
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10: Bumpy Ride

 ??? I thought Bumpy Ride was one of my better levels. Have you played the new version of this level, and if so, how would that compare to the other levels in my 2nd pack?


@ClamSpammer: have you solved the modified version (to remove blatant backroutes) of level 9 of my Pk1 (Trading and Cooperating)?

nope. :( (Actually I don't recall seeing a "modified" version. I haven't found any solutions other than the pillar backroute though)


Now another levelpack:
lm_set02
1: Feels like a maze in here.
2: Crossing the chains
3: The Squeeze Machine
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10: It's hero time in the snow!

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 09:53:58 PM »
Would you mind telling me which level? ;)

Leaky Brick Building Syndrome
(something like that)

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 10:06:09 PM »
You do realise that moving the entrance even one pixel to the left would make that level far too easy. ;) Anyway, congrats on solving the level - personally, I think it's harder than some of the other levels in that pack (like "Hello, Goodbye" and "FALL AND DIE").

Could you please send me a replay of your solution?

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 10:14:18 PM »
I'd rather not, considering the *clicky click click* start (that's when you have to keep clicking and hope the skill is assigned.

Quote from: Spoiler -     Leaky Building Syndrome - Solution
Get the first lemming to build as close to the top of the level as the terrain allows (this here can take multiple attempts).  Build out of the pit.  Now build over the remaining gaps.  Dig down to the exit (but keep the digger close to the wall's edge).  As soon as it is safe to do (before you start digging, I think) set the RR to 99.

If you aren't sure what I'm trying to say there, send me a PM about it and I'll send you a replay.

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 10:56:34 PM »
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Build out of the pit.

As far as I'm aware, this is impossible with the available skills. Did you play the level in Custom Lemmings mode? If not, then that could explain it. CustLemm mode drops the lemmings slightly further to the right, which means the lemmings land in the deeper part of the pit. (Although playing it in ONML mode doesn't seem to make any difference...)

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2009, 11:01:47 PM »
I didn't find 'Hello, Goodbye' to be one of the easier ones...
Though I'm somewhat sceptical as to Dullstar's solution, I haven't even come close to achieving what he described.

nope. :( (Actually I don't recall seeing a "modified" version. I haven't found any solutions other than the pillar backroute though)
I posted it here: http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=218.msg6538#msg6538
Just in case you want to give it another try :)
For reference, here's how I'd evaluate my second pack if I had to:
geooPk1
1: Trading and Cooperating
2: The Way Up
3: Prepairing their ways (if not for the backroutes...)
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10: Twice the same (concept horribly executed)
'Follow Me' and 'Palace o/t once-hacked Lemmings' are pretty bad as well, the former being a backroute mess, and the intended solution of the latter is ugly to execute just for the sake of using a glitch.

Some more:

ClamSpam01
1: Hello, Goodbye (I remember how this one had tseug and me stumped at first)
2: Dig This!
3: Catch Your Death
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10: Escape from Alcatraz!

ISteve10
1: The duct rise lemmings.
2: This is a gate level
3: The Decent Descent (or 'Empty Space is Hardly a Waste' if it wasn't for the backroutes)
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10: I am I.S. (Part 2)
(This is another pack where even the worst level is still good).

I don't remember this pack too well, but at least I'm pretty certain on the first place:
BulletRide2
1: Final Call
2: The Quiet Place
3: Jotun
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10: Deep Six (Part 2)

Also thought I could list Fleech/SgB's levels, but I remember too little to properly list the best ones, I remember they were hard, really good and had many backroutes, resulting into an eternal game of fixing and finding new ones. ;)

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2009, 11:19:00 PM »
I played it in DOS mode (I guess other people did it differently but I replaced my LemmixStyles.inin vgaspec entries with entries to ONML).

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 03:36:08 AM »
Yep, that's the problem. My levels are made for Custom Lemmings mode. If you play them in original mode, you might find that some levels are too easy or too hard.

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 01:30:00 PM »
Some nice level packs I've played through:

Eymerich02
1. Lemming Clichè
2. Dungeons & Lemmings
3. There's thrill in the Method
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10. The Great Wall, part two

finpack 01
1. Fiery Depths
2. Chrysanthemum paradise
3. Magic Wishing Wells
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6. The Lazy Lemming

ISteve07
1. 4 Pillars and a Trap
2. Mental Process
3. A JUGAR!
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10. The Annoying 1-pixel Gap

Lemmings Plus DOS Project - 10 - Danger (Part 1)
1. Backdraft
2. Some Kind Of Lemming
3. Alternative Logic
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10. Keeping On Track

nortpack1
1. Unidentified Lemming Object
2. With All Deliberate Speed
3. The Crusher
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10.Crystal Village

TM pack 1
1. Special Relativity
2. Invocation
3. get up stand up
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10. Bells and Whistles

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:52 PM »
I would rate Eymerich02 like so:

1. Brokeback Mountain
2. Clockwork Pink Revisited
3. Lemming Cliché
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8. There's thrill in the Method (spoiled by an easy backroute, but still fun)
9. We still all fall down (another backroute)
10. Tomorrow Ends Today (pretty much an easier repeat of the previous level)

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2012, 09:57:37 PM »
I didn't find 'Hello, Goodbye' to be one of the easier ones...
Though I'm somewhat sceptical as to Dullstar's solution, I haven't even come close to achieving what he described.

ClamSpam01
1: Hello, Goodbye (I remember how this one had tseug and me stumped at first)
2: Dig This!
3: Catch Your Death
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10: Escape from Alcatraz!

I don't feel that dumb now for getting stumped on Hello Goodbye. I felt dumb because the solution seemed easy after I got it. But in retrospect it didn't really take me that long. Compared to some of Clam's other levels which I think are much harder.

TM pack 1
1. Special Relativity
2. Invocation
3. get up stand up
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10. Bells and Whistles

I'm curious if you can go into any detail as to what you liked/didn't like about them?
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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2012, 01:46:48 PM »
I'm curious if you can go into any detail as to what you liked/didn't like about them?

Of course! :P I actually thought that would be a little constricted reply if I only ordered the levels without commenting any of them, although I think that was the main idea of this topic and hardly anyone else have commented their orderings either.

TM pack 1 surprised me positively and after playing your levels I had to play the other packs, TM2-4 too. All my top 3 levels are puzzle levels, which I had to try many times before I beated them. Turning lemmings around in "get up stand up" was tricky without blockers and builders, since release rate was 50, too. Invocation reminds me of ONML Havoc 9, but your level is harder. :P The player needs to multitask and think about which lemmings should go in which exit. Special Relativity was my clear favourite. The level has a very simple skillset and layout, and the time limit prevents all the backroutes I tried. In the end, the solution which I found, involves 4 (!) lemmings to do the work - in such a simple looking level with only 8 skills. I liked this puzzle a lot!

Bells and Whistles fell the last because I beated it in a very trivial way just turning one lemming around to build the bridge for the others. It seemed a little odd when the other levels around it were much more difficult.

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Re: The top 3 levels of each user pack
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2012, 11:01:04 PM »
Thanks. Bells and Whistles actually has a major mistake in it which is why it's so easy. I should also note that one of my levels was kind of just stolen from somebody else. I don't why I did that. :XD: but I made some of these way back near when I first joined. I never uploaded them because nobody seemed interested in it. I'm glad somebody is know. :)
everything by me: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5982.msg96035#msg96035

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