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Note: This topic is for posting your comments, replays, etc for the levels. If you wish to post an update to your level, or enter a late submission, please do so in the Updates Topic instead.

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If you downloaded the musics prior to the 2017-05-09 09:19 update, you'll be missing this music file (which goes with a late submission level): https://www.dropbox.com/s/4j1wlew9hccv020/TTTE.ogg?dl=1

Levels and NXP are attached to this post. Both the levels ZIP and the NXP contain all required data except the (optional) music files.

Updates are now closed. Voting will open no earlier than 2017-05-26 (UTC).
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 02:16:12 PM by namida »
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The Fart Gallery.





I could insert a lot of "wat"-memes here, but I think you get the idea. :scared:

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The Fart Gallery is (quite obviously) open ended, so any working solution is valid.

The Longest Minute is a backroute, indeed.
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I tried so hard to prevent that backroute on my level nepster, but I never considered building a bit and then mining to turn the lemming. Dang! :D

I wonder if my solution to the longest minute is a backroute, because
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Excellent job solving my Rule 1 level Nepster! While not exactly intended, it is both close enough and good enough to the actual solution!

Technicolor Nightmare on the other hand is a horrific backroute; one which I won't be able to patch methinks. A shame, since the intended solution is quite magnificent.
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First of all, I have to say that all the Rule 1 and Rule 2 levels are quite difficult, at least for me! And that's a good sign of their quality :thumbsup: I am tempted to take a peek at Nepster's replay solutions before call it a day :D

Regarding my level (there's no need in covering this comment within a spoiler tag, but anyway...):
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I'll update a little the scenario, in order to make it "a bit" harder (specially, if you want to solve it without skill shadows).
« Last Edit: May 07, 2017, 10:21:36 PM by Ron_Stard »

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Rule 1 levels done! :thumbsup: All the levels were pretty sweet!

Arty:
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Namida:
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Nepster:
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Raymanni:
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Mobius:
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« Last Edit: May 07, 2017, 08:44:36 PM by bulletride »

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My commentated video playthrough of all V 1.0 levels (link to first video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUK4TgDMedg

Also my current solution replays are attached to this post as well ;)

I think I've found quite a few backroutes here ;P

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Icho's solution to The Longest Minute is a backroute (and not fixed in the updated version). Will comment on bulletride's when I'm on a PC.

(EDIT: bulletride's solution was also a backroute)
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 06:11:06 AM »
Rule 2 and 3 replays attached.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 08:54:58 AM »
Updated the ZIP and NXP.

Changed levels:
Rule 1: bulletride's "Playing With Blocks" (V2), namida's "The Longest Minute" (V3), Raymanni's "Claustrophobic Bricks" (V2), Ron Stard's "Lover Of Mine" (late submission)
Rule 2: bulletride's "Frostbite" (V2), Ron Stard's "The Freedom Man" (V2)
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2017, 09:42:06 AM »
There are still some levels I haven't been able to solve, but I did manage to beat the new one:
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
All Rule 1 levels solved.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2017, 01:19:20 PM »
Thank you for your comments about my last-minute level! Here are my thoughts:

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2017, 01:22:07 PM »
Here are my replays to the currently updated levels :)

I am positivly surprised on the variations of solutions to my R3 level! I could possibly even cut a builder or up the save req to save all, but I think I leave it as it is, as all solution are non trivial and simply add to the varity the level provides.
I think I will make a best-of video of all the different solutions to my R3 level near the end of the contest playing phase :laugh:

I also updated my R2 level, cutting a walker and therefor making Nepster's solution the intended route (BR's was a slight backroute) as it was a minor optimasation to my solution.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2017, 02:45:18 PM »
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Don't take it too harshly. These level design contests bring out a lot of very unique and excellent levels; so how your level is seen in the context of a contest should not be taken as a sign of "maybe I'm no good at making levels". And even more so - every good level designer had to start somewhere. Certianly, some of the levels I made in the past were far worse than this one.



IchoTolot: Your new solution to The Longest Minute is another backroute (as you may have guessed, since this solution wouldn't work on the original version of the level).
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2017, 03:04:08 PM »
Resolved namida's level.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2017, 03:22:27 PM »
Getting closer now. :)

I'll work on another fix tomorrow.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2017, 04:12:03 PM »
Unfortunately all solutions to my levels have been backroutes so far :'(. Updates are coming soon...
- Sorry for the steel at the trap in "Greeting from the Mad Architect". I will try to make it more visible in the updated version.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2017, 05:51:12 PM »
Nepster's levels resolved.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2017, 06:00:23 PM »
I'm not sure if this is intended or not; or if this level might even be an open-ended one.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2017, 06:32:04 PM »
Nepster R1 V3 resolved.

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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2017, 07:29:37 PM »
@IchoTolot: You solution to "Dark Secret" is an acceptable (because non-fixable :P) alternative solution, which allows for a slight variation that is far less precise. "Mad Architect" still needs some more work, as you probably could have guessed.

And I resolved the updated levels:
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2017, 07:52:02 PM »

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2017, 08:03:07 PM »
One backrouted person had enough for today, but it seems another one still wants more backroutes ;)

Arty R3 V2 attached.


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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2017, 08:44:25 PM »
Arty keeps on placing pick-up-skills that you don't even need to collect :evil:

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2017, 08:58:31 PM »
Updated replays of Claustrophobic Bricks, Dark secret, Framed with the best skills, Greetings from the mad architect, lover of mine, freedom man, and the longest minute.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2017, 09:22:35 PM »
Annnnd V4 ;)

But now it's time for some sleep ;P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2017, 01:19:37 PM »
Here are the 2 updated levels + zanzindorf's new entry

The "!" on the Longest Minute is appearing and disappearing in some versions. Was there a multiple change of mind about the name? ;)

For zanzindorf's level some additional technical feedback: It looks great, but consider sacrificing the Lemmings spawn out of the mouth effect for a proper hatch as it is not clear where they spawn really. Maybe try and animate a fish mouth hatch? Also the minimap color is missing in your tileset --- simply add a fitting color for it in the GST and the minimap (old quality) is not a black void anymore ;)

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2017, 12:34:47 AM »
I added the ! to test something at one point, meaning to remove it before uploading, and forgot to do so. Only V4 was affected, as far as I know.

Will check your replay later.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2017, 01:08:14 AM »
some (visual only) comments on the special graphics levels:

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2017, 02:20:47 AM »
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Sorry about that. I was hoping no one had nightmares about this as a kid. :(
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2017, 06:48:26 AM »
Gronkling's
pretty nice from a level design point of view. I'm not a huge fan of the art style but I'm not saying it's bad either. Did you draw this yourself?
[/spoiler]

I drew it myself but I hate how it came out!!!! It's mega ugly, I didn't plan properly what I was going to do and I just drew random stuff. Everyone has backrouted this level but I can't stand looking at it so I don't really feel like fixing them X_X

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2017, 02:45:23 PM »
Icho's:
I know you told me before but I forgot; what does this come from again?

My avatar is simply the logo of my favorite Melodic Death Metal band: Soilwork

The tilte of the level is simply a song they made in one of their album releases. You could also watch my video again as I mentioned it there as well. ;P

I am using a Quake 2 music track (which is roughly in the same music genre direction) as I don't want to get into copy-right things and stuff, but I guess that using an instrumental version would have been alright anyway.

I will make a montage video of all the different solutions to my R3 level alongside with the new and updated levels at some later point! ;)


Also here is an updated replay of bulletride's Frostbite level as my replay broke with the last fix --- the solution is basically the same though.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2017, 06:18:18 PM »
SPAM!!! :devil:

Greetings from the Mad Backrouter! ;P

Arty's new version of R3 and Nepster's levels resolved.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2017, 06:42:02 PM »
Mad Architect may be intended, lots of little things I had to do to shave off a few seconds it was a very tight time limit. For Dark Secret the same solution is possible cause you can just bomb the trap instead of blocking it.

Technicolor had a kind of hack job solution so this may be a back route still.

Fish was a really cool looking level!

Icho your solution for Frostbite is the correct one. The changes were to (hopefully) prevent getting across the gap with a precise bomber.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2017, 07:08:35 PM »
bulletride's solution to "Mad Architect" was very cool :thumbsup:, but if you get the correct solution, then you should be automatically within the time limit. So I want to avoid solutions that require lots of tricks just to stay within the time limit.

But at least the solutions are slowly converging towards the intended ones. Keyword being "slowly". ;)

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2017, 08:22:06 PM »
And again!

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2017, 10:07:24 PM »
Both bulletride and Icho backrouted Technicolor Nightmare again. I'm quite impressed with bulletride's solution, as it cleverly used the wacky terrain, but alas, it was not even close to the intended solution. Let's see what I can do about that.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2017, 10:39:02 AM »
IchoTolot: Your latest solution for The Longest Minute is still a backroute.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2017, 11:14:33 AM »
More backroutes (I think).

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2017, 11:16:54 AM »
Yep, that's another backroute, and may turn out to be a very tricky one to deal with... I have an idea, but it's going to require some significant changes, especially since your backroute leaves one spare builder (if it weren't for that, I might be able to come up with a simpler fix).
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2017, 11:44:01 AM »
LVL files and NXP have been updated.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2017, 12:14:51 PM »
Hopefully a step in the right direction :P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2017, 12:29:24 PM »
Still another backroute. Already made an update that should fix it, will post in a sec.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2017, 12:45:13 PM »
I haven't tried these levels after the very first versions, but seeing now how much The Longest Minute has changed made me laugh. :D

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2017, 02:01:13 PM »
The only Rule 1 level my existing replays didn't work on was Nepster's one. Resolved, with what is almost certianly another backroute.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2017, 02:15:22 PM »
And another pickup skill seals another backroute by Icho. I can keep this up as long as you can. ;p

Haven't tried the Rule 3 levels at all yet, but just keep in mind - overreliance on pickup skills can easily make the solution more obvious. Pickup-skill-heavy levels typically need to be purpose-designed to work well.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2017, 03:28:04 PM »
More replays! Got a good feeling this time with namida's level ;)

For Arty:
I have the strong feeling that all the pickup-skills and fire objects now really mess-up the scenary. I would advise turning down the pick-ups and fire objects again and carve out another solution that is not as easily backroutable and does not need all these enforcements.

In my opinion one big goal of such a level is avoiding to edit the origial picture at all, aside from adding in a hatch and an exit. This emphasizes the scenary more.

Terrain picture + hatch + exit. Only using these 3 components fits the theme best. (At least for me) And your level looks amazing when all these little fire and pick-up objects are absent ;)

So I would advise carving out a difficult open-end solution or one that is not easily exploitable (maybe swap out some skills even).


Also: I need more solution replays for my own R3 level. Currently I've got my own solution, bulletride's and Nepster's one (and I have an idea for another one), but I want more! ;P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2017, 04:22:25 PM »
Yes, all solutions to my levels have been backroutes so far. :(

Solved some more of the updated levels.
- namida's level is very likely a backroute
- bulletride's level now uses a different trick
- zanzindorf's level looks very pretty, but I have a lot of builders spare,
- Colorful Arty's replay is another backroute for V7 (perhaps already fixed, perhaps not).

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2017, 05:26:35 PM »
More Nepster solutions. Hopefully this time.....

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2017, 06:49:52 PM »
Yeah. I'm at the point where I can either keep trying to seal all the backroutes at the cost of the level's scenery, or revert it back to an older version that is more open-ended. The intended solution is just a really good one, which is why I keep trying to enforce it.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2017, 07:51:12 PM »
Think Dark Secret is finally correct. Mad Architect probably is as well.

The longest minute still probably not intended.

This version of Technicolor is much better the pick up skills were a little too much :P

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2017, 10:02:46 PM »
Don't think this is intended as the steel that allows it wasn't in the original versions

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2017, 08:35:15 AM »
Re: The Longest Minute solutions;

bulletride: Backroute. Looks like backroutes based on physics abuse are going to be quite hard to prevent here...
IchoTolot: VERY close to intended now. I'm not even entirely sure this can be blocked while keeping the intended solution, except maybe by making the time limit extremely tight (which would also make the name a bit weird).
Nepster: Backroute, might need some significant reworking of that part of the level to fix...
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2017, 09:06:32 AM »
ZIP / NXP have been updated.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2017, 04:22:08 PM »
Resolved namida's level.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2017, 09:19:00 PM »
Resolved namida's level.
Me too. The timing is extremely precise, though:
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2017, 03:00:39 AM »
Both of you have the intended solution. :)

Me too. The timing is extremely precise, though:
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2017, 08:01:59 AM »
What's the music in The longest minute? It's been playing in my head for the past couple of days.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2017, 08:10:13 AM »
What's the music in The longest minute? It's been playing in my head for the past couple of days.

Seems like I've made a good find back then :laugh:

The Green Orbs - At The Fair

I included it in the soundrack for Lemmings Reunion back in the days and it got to be one of the most recognisable tracks from it. May the "la la la" choros drive you slowly into insanity! :evil:

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2017, 07:11:18 PM »
The latter case is not fatal to the solution; see my replay.
Sorry, but you seem to have misunderstood me. During several tries, the behavior displayed in the attached replay occured. And this is fatal...

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2017, 05:15:48 AM »
Updated my level. Fixed the mini map color hopefully. I didn't realize it was broken because I had the detailed map option turned on. Oops. Thanks for pointing that out Icho. Tried to improve the level a bit too.

Gronkling's Cat Astrophe:
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Namida's The Fart Gallery:
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Ran Stard's The Freedom Man:
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Everyone's levels are looking great so far. Looking forward to finishing more of them :D

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2017, 02:55:41 AM »
Reminder that the update period closes in 3 days if there are no further updates. After this, we'll have a few more days of the playing phase, just so people can try out the definitely-final (as far as the contest is concerned) versions of the levels, especially people who may have wanted to wait until updates are no longer coming. Once that's over, voting will begin.

If there are any further updates, the update period will close 72 hours after the last one.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2017, 02:59:05 AM »
The latter case is not fatal to the solution; see my replay.
Sorry, but you seem to have misunderstood me. During several tries, the behavior displayed in the attached replay occured. And this is fatal...

Ah, I see what you mean.
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Namida's The Fart Gallery:
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Don't you mean to say...
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2017, 03:20:51 AM »
More Levels:

Colorful Arty's Just a Minute... You wish!
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Mobius's The Floor is Lava!
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2017, 02:17:05 PM »
Levels ZIP and NXP have been updated. Since updates are now closed, these levels can now be considered finalized as far as the contest goes.

The playing phase remains open until at least the 26th; beyond that it's "whenever I put the poll up" (as we know by now, I don't always get it exactly on time).

I'd also like to remind contestants - if you have no other plans for the levels you've submitted, consider submitting them towards the NeoLemmix Community Pack.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2017, 09:37:37 PM »
Since the update phase is over and everyone seems to be done playing the levels, here are the official solutions to both of my levels.

I donate both of these levels to the NeoLemmix Community Pack, as they have no place in ArtLems.
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2017, 12:50:37 AM »
I posted my solution to The Longest Minute a while back. I don't think a replay for The Fart Gallery is very necessary. :P
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2017, 03:33:30 PM »
Sorry, I mis-remembered the closing date for the playing phase and created the voting topic / shut this one. Ignore it (I've left it there so I don't have to make it again when voting actually starts). You may continue to discuss the levels / share replays (updates are meant to be closed, though).
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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2017, 03:38:45 PM »
And before I forget it again: Here are my replays with the intended solutions to both of my levels.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2017, 04:21:02 PM »
Here is my video with my final solutions and feedback on the levels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9W8tqCPyUM&feature=youtu.be

I also cover the intended and user-found solutions to my own levels. Sadly only bulletride and Nepster gave me solutions and feedback to these, I would have loved to see/hear more.
What was the problem? Where they too hard? Did they not appeal? Where they any fun to play? How was the music/asthetics? Did at least the intended solution impress?

More answers to these questions would still gladly be seen, even if I cannot update the flaws for the contest anymore.

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Re: Lemmings Forums Level Contest #12 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)
« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2017, 12:57:14 AM »
Sorry I didn't give you feedback on your levels Icho. I have next to no free time these days with juggling my LP videos and my full-time internship. Most of my time is spent working, driving, or sleeping. I'll definitely check out the solutions though!
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