Author Topic: NeoLemmix Versions of (Semi-)Official Games (Read 13849 times)

namida · « **on:** February 09, 2016, 04:47:01 AM »

I've put this topic up as a place to find links to - and current versions of - the NeoLemmix conversions of the offiical Lemmings games, as well as Copycat Lemmings and the NeoLemmix Introduction Pack.

As many of you would already know, the NeoLemmix conversions aren't simply just "take existing level, put into NeoLemmix format" in most cases (Copycat Lemmings is an exception, because that literally is how it was done). Often they're tweaked to feel more "NeoLemmix-y" - removing unused / purely-decorative area at the sides, often if a level has blockers solely to position bombers they'll be removed, etc. Some may also have other minor changes to ensure they remain possible to complete under NeoLemmix. Additionally, where there's a difference (and where possible to do so), the NeoLemmix conversions of the games tend to be based off the Amiga versions rather than the DOS versions.

With all new updates (from the time I made this topic onwards) to these packs - no matter what the reason; whether it's fixing some levels, or just updating the file formats in the NXP file - I'm adding a version number, and increasing it with each new release. Those that have not been updated since making this topic will not have a version number; for those that do, it should appear within the first few messages on the scroller (if you get to the "Thanks to..." part, you've either missed it, or have an NXP that doesn't contain the version number text). This only applies to the official games' conversions; I make no guarantee that the version number will be there (or present at all) on any fan-made content, including my own.

The versions that existed at the time this topic was made will be considered "V1.00", and updates will increase the version from there.

(V1.06) NeoLemmix Introduction Pack http://www.neolemmix.com/old/neolemmix/NeoLemmixIntroduction.nxp (V1.07) Lemmings http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=33 (V1.05) Oh No! More Lemmings http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=34 (V1.06) Xmas Lemmings 91 + 92 http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=35 (V1.07) Holiday Lemmings 93 + 94 http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=36 (V1.06) Covox Lemmings http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=37 (V1.05) Prima Lemmings http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=38 (V1.11) Extra Official Levels http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=39 (V1.05) MazuLems http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=40

(V1.01) Copycat Lemmings http://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=41

Due to a heavy reliance on features that are removed in newer versions, Copycat Lemmings is not going to be updated to work with newer versions of NeoLemmix. You will need V1.43n-F to play it, permanently.

namida · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2016, 04:47:35 AM »

Extra Levels has been updated to V1.01, this adds an extra basher on Sunsoft 24 as the level was impossible otherwise.

namida · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2016, 10:35:11 AM »

Original Lemmings has been updated to V1.01, and Extra Levels to V1.02. This is to prepare some stuff for the next NeoLemmix update, in regards to the naming of the music tracks used in the special graphics levels.

namida · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2016, 03:14:57 AM »

Extra Levels has been updated to V1.03. It now has built-in copies of the Genesis graphic sets in the NXP, since these are no longer included in NeoLemmix itself. (They can be auto-downloaded, but it's preferable to have them built into the NXP than to rely on that.) There are no changes to any levels.

Wafflem · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2016, 03:17:17 AM »

What will happen to Copycat Lemmings since the Cheapo Mode gimmick has been culled?

namida · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2016, 03:20:46 AM »

Quote from: DynaLem on March 08, 2016, 03:17:17 AM

What will happen to Copycat Lemmings since the Cheapo Mode gimmick has been culled?

It hasn't been culled yet. All non-experimental current releases, including the newly-released V1.43n-E, still support it (and all other gimmicks). Until a stable release that removes it is released, it will remain available.

Once support is dropped, it'll no longer be listed here. But I'll make sure the download remains available somewhere, so that those who want to play it (using an older version of NeoLemmix) can do so.

namida · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2016, 02:54:16 AM »

Updated:

Original Lemmings V1.02: Removed the 2-player maps.
Oh No! More Lemmings! V1.01: Removed the 2-player maps; removed SuperLemming and Frenzy from Wicked 2.
Extra Levels V1.04: Changed the "Genesis 2P" rank to just "2P". This now contains the Amiga-origin 2 player levels as well.

Wafflem · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2016, 02:57:06 AM »

Battle at Midway is in both Level 21 of 2P, and Other 12. Not sure if this is intended.

namida · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2016, 03:08:36 AM »

Fixed. This would also suggest that one of the bugs in Flexi hasn't been fixed as well as I thought...

namida · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2016, 03:53:42 PM »

Holiday Lemmings has been updated to V1.01. This fixes an issue with Hail 10 where the exit trigger was one pixel above the ground (which didn't render the level impossible as such, but was still undesired behaviour).

namida · « **Reply #10 on:** May 08, 2016, 03:31:09 PM »

Copycat Lemmings has been updated to V1.01. This fixes Tricky 10 and Taxing 14 being unsolvable due to the removal of direct drop. Tricky 10 is a relatively minor change, while Taxing 14 has an entirely new solution. Both of these changes were approved by the original author of Copycat Lemmings.

Ron_Stard · « **Reply #11 on:** May 09, 2016, 08:15:21 AM »

Thank you for the fixes!

namida · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2016, 05:34:00 PM »

Updated Holiday Lemmings (V1.02) and Xmas Lemmings (V1.01) to use a unique naming scheme for the musics instead of track_01 etc. They now use "xmas_01" etc.

namida · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2016, 11:21:02 PM »

Updated Original Lemmings (V1.03) to fix an issue with Taxing 13. It didn't make the level impossible, but did break the most common solution.

namida · « **Reply #14 on:** September 07, 2016, 01:17:42 PM »

I've updated all of them to be mostly V1.47n-compatible (the remaining issues are due to things that need to be fixed in the player, rather than needing to be fixed in the NXPs; except that I didn't make the effort to re-test the levels. The primary issue is that most of the special graphics levels don't work, because the VGASPEC files are still in the older format which V1.47n currently has no support for).

For most of the packs the only change is that they've been marked as "compatible with both V1.43n-F and V1.47n" (and the old NXPs would work, apart from giving a warning about possible compatibility issues). The exceptions are Orig and Extra; the existing NXPs will not work properly on V1.47n.

(As this implies, these new updates are still 100% compatible with V1.43n-F too.)

Two of these haven't been updated:
NeoLemmix Introduction Pack - It will be updated, but more changes are needed here than simply "rebuild with a new toolkit version and maybe tweak a couple of settings".
Copycat Lemmings - This pack relies on Cheapo Mode which is no longer supported in V1.47n, as such, this pack cannot be updated. You'll need to use V1.43n-F to play this one.

namida · « **Reply #15 on:** September 07, 2016, 06:28:31 PM »

NeoLemmix Introduction Pack has been updated now.

namida · « **Reply #16 on:** September 17, 2016, 06:02:04 AM »

Uploaded V1.06 update to the Extra Levels NXP, to add the proper music for Sunsoft Special (thanks to Wafflem for finding it).

Since the newer versions of Flexi Toolkit no longer offer the "backwards compatible" option (this was only ever intended as temporary stopgap measure, after all), it's officially only compatible with V1.47n. With that being said, it will most likely work on V1.43n-F too.

Tsyu · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2016, 06:17:10 PM »

Quote from: namida on September 17, 2016, 06:02:04 AM

Uploaded V1.06 update to the Extra Levels NXP, to add the proper music for Sunsoft Special (thanks to Wafflem for finding it).

You're using the low-quality MOD conversion, aren't you? I can provide you with a much better-sounding recording.

namida · « **Reply #18 on:** September 17, 2016, 08:53:48 PM »

Quote from: Tsyu on September 17, 2016, 06:17:10 PM

Quote from: namida on September 17, 2016, 06:02:04 AM
Uploaded V1.06 update to the Extra Levels NXP, to add the proper music for Sunsoft Special (thanks to Wafflem for finding it).
You're using the low-quality MOD conversion, aren't you? I can provide you with a much better-sounding recording.

What's the filesize like? If it's comparable, then sure I'll put it in; otherwise, I won't add it directly to the NXP but I'll put it as a seperate download.

Tsyu · « **Reply #19 on:** September 17, 2016, 09:11:50 PM »

Quote from: namida on September 17, 2016, 08:53:48 PM

What's the filesize like? If it's comparable, then sure I'll put it in; otherwise, I won't add it directly to the NXP but I'll put it as a seperate download.

At Vorbis quality 4, the size is 940 KB; at quality 3, it's 776 KB.

If you wish, I can give you a FLAC version so that you can try various bit rates yourself.

namida · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2016, 09:14:10 PM »

The MOD is already about 800KB, so that's fine.

Do you also know what position the loop should start / end at (or is it the whole file)?

Tsyu · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2016, 09:39:00 PM »

At 44.1 kHz sample rate, the loop starts at sample 408,775 and lasts for 2,317,736 samples; these fields will already be in the file that I give you. (Technically, the loop starts and ends a few seconds earlier, but the last few notes need a small amount of time to decay fully.)

Let me know which format you want and I will sent it to you via PM.

namida · « **Reply #22 on:** September 18, 2016, 01:17:48 AM »

OGG is preferable.

namida · « **Reply #23 on:** September 18, 2016, 02:32:19 AM »

Uploaded V1.07 of Extra.

This has a better-quality music for Sunsoft Special (thanks to Tsyu). Also, the levels "Everyone turn left", "Everyone turn left (Part 2)" and "Just A Minute (Part 3)" have been fixed (the change in miner mechanics had previously rendered them impossible on the new version).

namida · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2016, 11:43:26 AM »

Updated the following:

NeoLemmix Introduction Pack: V1.02
Oh No! More Lemmings: V1.03
Xmas Lemmings 91 + 92: V1.03
Holiday Lemmings 93 + 94: V1.04
MazuLems: V1.03

These updates don't actually change anything; rather, the packs have simply been rebuilt with Flexi Toolkit V1.47n-C, which enables them to be used on the V1.48n experimentals.

I also have made new versions (which will run exclusively on V1.48n, these will not work on any of the V1.47n versions) for Orig, Covox, Prima and Extra. Until V1.48n is officially released, I won't officially release these updates either (due to them not working fully on V1.47n), but for those who do want to play the packs on the V1.48n experimentals, here you go. These versions, as they are here, will be actual updates once NeoLemmix V1.48n is properly released, so you won't have to redownload.

Lemmings V1.05: http://www.neolemmix.com/old/neolemmix/148/Lemmings.nxp
Covox Lemmings V1.02: http://www.neolemmix.com/old/neolemmix/148/CovoxLemmings.nxp
Prima Lemmings V1.02: http://www.neolemmix.com/old/neolemmix/148/PrimaLemmings.nxp
Extra Official Levels V1.08: http://www.neolemmix.com/old/neolemmix/148/ExtraLevels.nxp

To be specific, these NXPs won't work at all on V1.47n or V1.47n-B. They'll mostly work on V1.47n-C, but the special graphics levels won't.

namida · « **Reply #25 on:** September 30, 2016, 10:01:44 AM »

I've now made these updates to Lemmings, Covox Lemmings, Prima Lemmings and Extra Levels official, as V1.47n-D supports them properly. I reuploaded slight modifications; the only change from those that I uploaded before is that they won't create a compatibility warning on V1.47n-D.

Please be aware that these four, in the latest version, will only work on V1.47n-D (or V1.48n experimentals). The special graphics levels, at the very least, will not work on V1.47n-C2 or earlier. If you report a problem with these latest versions and it's clear you're trying to run them on V1.47n, V1.47n-B, V1.47n-C, V1.47n-C2, or (god forbid) V1.43n-F, I will not even bother to respond. Just to be on the safe side, be sure to mention that you're using V1.47n-D (or a V1.48n experimental, if applicable).

namida · « **Reply #26 on:** October 09, 2016, 08:52:20 AM »

Those that use custom skill panel graphics (Prima, Covox, Extra, Holiday and Xmas) have been updated to properly follow the V1.48 standard for these. The new updates require V1.48 or higher; those that didn't need a new update remain usable with V1.47n line (they'll still work on V1.48 too).

namida · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2017, 04:10:58 PM »

All of these (except Copycat) have been updated for compatibility with NeoLemmix V10.12.XX. The new updated NXPs are not compatible with older versions.

namida · « **Reply #28 on:** January 15, 2017, 12:08:47 PM »

Uploaded a V1.05 update to Covox Lemmings, which fixes the skill panel graphics (the modifications for V10.12.XX compatibility were incomplete).

Despite using the same skill panel graphics, Prima is not affected; it had the correct ones in the initial V10.12.XX-compatible version. No idea how the wrong ones for Covox slipped through.

DoubleU · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2017, 06:46:10 PM »

Is this where I contact the webmaster/-mistress for NeoLemmix? Your lights are on - I mean, your miners box is out of order in Extra Official Levels Level List > Sega 8.

namida · « **Reply #30 on:** March 16, 2017, 10:11:32 PM »

What exactly is the issue with it?
I do notice in other levels, it's showing up with a zero count, instead of being hidden, which is something I need to fix (I already fixed this for the Lemmings Plus packs, but not for the official packs). But I don't see any issue on Sega 8?

namida · « **Reply #31 on:** April 10, 2017, 10:34:30 AM »

All of these (except Copycat) have been updated for NL V10.13.XX compatibility. Mac-style music rotation has been enabled on all of them, and NeoLemmix Introduction Pack also has been updated to include levels for Fencers and one-way-up arrows.