Family Feud 2015

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to the first Family Feud of 2015! This is the ultimate standard Family Feud round with the ultimate standard Family Feud questions! It doesn’t get more standard than this!

Are you tired of overcomplicated Feud questions? Or questions that some small inside groups could possibly answer similarly and gain benefit from that? This Feud round goes back to the very roots of this game having 0 non-standardly scored questions. This kind of Feud we have had in our forum only once, it was the very first round we played.

Everyone can join, please send your answers via PM to Quizmaster! Try to get the most popular answers with these standard questions, here we go!

1. Name a country in the central America. (Hint: Mexico doesn’t belong to central America and can’t be an answer for this question.)
2. Name a football (soccer) club.
3. Name a horror fiction author.
4. Name a metalloid.
5. Name a month that’s not on Winter.
6. Name a music group.
7. Name a study subject in school other than mathematics.
8. Name a tree species.
9. Name an animation movie.
10. Name an FPS (first person shooter) video game series.
11. Name an ingredient you could put in your porridge to give it some flavor.
12. Name an intercardinal direction.

Good luck and a happy new Family Feud year!

[grams88]

I'll give this a go and see if I can get in a good position (lol)   

Thanks Akseli, for getting in contact.    that's actually not a bad point about some of the questions being a bit complicated. Okay I'm going to keep quiet for now as I don't want to give out any clue to what my answers are going to be.

[Quizmaster]

Standard Family Feud results are here! 18 people participated, of which Erkki-Pekka and DeadOnArrival are my real-life siblings.
For each Family Feud question, you get (participants with your answer) / (number of votes the most popular answer got) points.

1.   Name a country in the central America. (Hint: Mexico doesn’t belong to central America and can’t be an answer for this question.)
Panama (7/7) -- Akseli, NaOH, Simon, möbius, namida, Clam, ccexplore
Guatemala (3/7) -- Timballisto, Ramon, grams88
Nicaragua (2/7) -- Erkki-Pekka, geoo
Costa Rica (2/7)  -- DeadOnArrival, RubiX
Ecuador (1/7) -- Minim
Honduras (1/7) -- Pieuw
Cuba (1/7) -- Nepster
Belize (1/7) -- SLIME MINISTER

1. Ecuador (A country on the equator, and the equator's in central Earth, so)

1) Cuba (hopefully featuring most prominently in US news right now)

1. Nicaragua (biggest and most central, though I wonder if Panama is better known?)

2.   Name a football (soccer) club.
Manchester United (6/6) -- Timballisto, Minim, namida, Erkki-Pekka, Clam, ccexplore
Real Madrid (4/6) -- Akseli, Simon, Pieuw, Nepster
FIFA (1/6) -- NaOH
Haverford Soccer Club (1/6) -- möbius
Arsenal (1/6) -- Ramon
Liverpool (1/6) -- DeadOnArrival
Green Bay Packers (1/6) -- grams88
Saints (1/6) -- RubiX
Bayern München (1/6) -- SLIME MINISTER
Chelsea (1/6) -- geoo

3.   Name a horror fiction author.
Stephen King (11/11) -- Timballisto, Akseli, NaOH, möbius, Pieuw, namida, Erkki-Pekka, DeadOnArrival, grams88, RubiX, ccexplore
H. P. Lovecraft (4/11) -- Simon, Clam, Nepster, geoo
Roy C. Booth (1/11) -- Minim
Edgar Allan Poe (1/11) -- Ramon
Dean Koontz (1/11) -- SLIME MINISTER

3. H.P. Lovecraft, he wrote novels about wide-mouthed frogs in images/occult/

3. Stephen King [one of my favorite authors. My favorite work by him is actually his few non-horror/fantasy stories like The Shawshank Redemption or Secret Window]

Question 3 = Stephen King, I recommend one of his books (Misery even though I think the film beats the book version, oh man I could be starting a debate.

4.   Name a metalloid.
silicon (8/8) -- Timballisto, Akseli, Simon, möbius, Minim, DeadOnArrival, Nepster, ccexplore
boron (4/8) -- NaOH, grams88, RubiX, geoo
arsenic (4/8) -- namida, Erkki-Pekka, Clam, SLIME MINISTER
carbon (1/8) -- Pieuw
germanium (1/8) -- Ramon

Freely translated quote by Erkki-Pekka: "Arsenic is more fun, though I wonder if silicon is going to win."

5.   Name a month that’s not on Winter.
July (8/8) -- Simon, möbius, Pieuw, Ramon, Erkki-Pekka, DeadOnArrival, RubiX, geoo
March (4/8) -- namida, grams88, Nepster, ccexplore
June (3/8) -- Akseli, NaOH, Minim
August (1/8) -- Timballisto
September (1/8) -- Clam
May (1/8) -- SLIME MINISTER

Question 5 = March  (Actually that's a interesting simple question as this will be interesting to see what people pick) I wonder if anyone picked (June, July, August, December, January, February)

5. September (avoiding both northern and southern winter months)

5) March [wonder how many people pick the "summer" months that would actually be winter in Australia?]

5. July (Screw the southern hemisphere. Their winter isn't a real winter anyway unless you live in Antarctica. Though I wonder if people will pick months in spring or fall to make sure that it's not in winter in either hemisphere...)

6.    Name a music group.
The Beatles (10/10) -- Timballisto, Akseli, NaOH, Simon, möbius, Clam, Nepster, RubiX, ccexplore, geoo
Metallica (3/10) -- namida, Erkki-Pekka, DeadOnArrival
One Direction (1/10) -- Minim
U2 (1/10) -- Pieuw
Radiohead (1/10) -- Ramon
Led Zeppelin (1/10) -- grams88
AC/DC (1/10) -- SLIME MINISTER

7.   Name a study subject in school other than mathematics.
science (5/5) -- möbius, Clam, Minim, RubiX, ccexplore
physics (4/5) -- Ramon, Erkki-Pekka, Nepster, geoo
history (3/5) -- Timballisto, Pieuw, DeadOnArrival
English (3/5) -- Simon, grams88, SLIME MINISTER
chemistry (2/5) -- NaOH, namida
biology (1/5) -- Akseli

8.   Name a tree species.
oak (10/10) -- Timballisto, NaOH, Simon, möbius, Minim, Pieuw, Ramon, grams88, RubiX, geoo
pine (4/10) -- Akseli, Erkki-Pekka, Clam, ccexplore
maple (2/10) -- DeadOnArrival, Nepster
cannabis (1/10) -- namida
birch (1/10) -- SLIME MINISTER

8. Pine (Mr. Paul Q Pine will approve)

9.   Name an animation movie.
Toy Story (3/3) -- Minim, DeadOnArrival, grams88
Frozen (3/3) -- Clam, RubiX, ccexplore
Finding Nemo (2/3) -- Timballisto, Ramon
The Lion King (2/3) -- Akseli, Simon
Spirited Away (2/3) -- NaOH, Erkki-Pekka
Pokémon (1/3) -- möbius
How to Train Your Dragon (1/3) -- Pieuw
The Simpsons Movie (1/3) -- namida
The Lix Movie (1/3) -- Nepster
Shrek (1/3) -- SLIME MINISTER
Tonari no Totoro (1/3) -- geoo

9. Spirited Away <3

9. HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON

Question 9 = Toy Story, I was thinking about going for pokemon but that would be too risky then again maybe not.

9. Frozen (seriously wtf people are still raving about this movie)

9) The Lix Movie (hopefully this counts as a valid answer)

10.    Name an FPS (first person shooter) video game series.
Halo (4/4) -- Timballisto, Ramon, namida, SLIME MINISTER
Doom (3/4) -- Akseli, Minim, geoo
Call of Duty (3/4) -- Pieuw, RubiX, ccexplore
Counter Strike (3/4) -- Erkki-Pekka, DeadOnArrival, Nepster
Half-Life (2/4) -- Simon, möbius
Portal (1/4) NaOH
Duke Nukem 3D (1/4) -- grams88
Team Fortress (1/4) -- Clam

10. Quake, Half-Life or Unreal, le hard décision, I choose Half-Life

10. Half-Life [my favorite]

11.    Name an ingredient you could put in your porridge to give it some flavor.
sugar (9/9) -- Timballisto, Akseli, möbius, namida, Erkki-Pekka, grams88, Clam, RubiX, geoo
maple syrup (1/9) -- NaOH
leek (1/9) -- Simon
golden syrup (1/9) -- Minim
banana (1/9) -- Pieuw
apple (1/9) -- Ramon
jam (1/9) -- DeadOnArrival
wurst (1/9) -- Nepster
honey (1/9) -- SLIME MINISTER
salt (1/9) -- ccexplore

11. I've never eaten porridge, don't know what it tastes like. Let's say banana.

11) Wurst (second choice would have been white powder)

11. sugar (a.k.a. mysterious white powder)

12.    Name an intercardinal direction.
northeast (8/8) -- Simon, Ramon, namida, DeadOnArrival, grams88, Nepster, RubiX, ccexplore
northwest (5/8) -- Timballisto, NaOH, möbius, Clam, geoo
southeast (2/8) -- Akseli, Minim
southwest (2/8) -- Erkki-Pekka, SLIME MINISTER
north (1/8) – Pieuw


Final scores:

9,76 – ccexplore
9,70 – RubiX
9,63 – möbius
9,44 – Timballisto
8,91 – Simon
8,31 – Akseli
8,26 – Clam
8,13 – namida
7,95 – Erkki-Pekka
7,82 – geoo
7,55 – grams88
7,41 – DeadOnArrival
7,09 – NaOH
6,87 – Nepster
6,82 – Minim
6,49 – Ramon
5,95 – Pieuw
3,52 – SLIME MINISTER

ccexplore won the very first Family Feud round with only 5 standard questions and 5 participants. Now, wit a lot more questions and participants, he wins again the second ever standard-questions-only round in our forums! Congratulations ccexplore!

Thanks for joining, everyone! If you would like to host the next round, ask me (Akseli) for the Quizmaster account password.

[ccexplore]

Wow, biggest participation so far!   (Though if I had known how many [particularly new] people ended up participating I would've definitely changed how I answered question #5.)

I clearly had porridge confused with something else on question 9 , though apparently I still manage to be on top despite that snafu.  Next time I guess I must Wikipedia everything no matter what.

Never thought of Portal as an FPS but I guess NaOH technically has a point there (or rather, quarter of a point as it turned out).

Green Bay Packers (1/6) -- grams88

Congratulations*, you are a true (US) American!  *at least one of you here probably thinks "sorry" instead

(To be fair, Manchester United is literally the only answer I knew for #2, and by "knew" I mean "I don't remember where I heard the name before", so I'm really no different from grams88 in this regard.)

[Clam]

Screw the southern hemisphere

): my hemisphere

I think I've been genuinely disadvantaged on this question by having a different perspective on it compared with the majority. Especially since the winning month is actually winter

[namida]

Screw the southern hemisphere

): my hemisphere

I think I've been genuinely disadvantaged on this question by having a different perspective on it compared with the majority. Especially since the winning month is actually winter

I went with the first unambiguous month for this reason.

[geoo]

Not being an expert in soccer at all, I'm wondering what sets Manchester United and Real Madrid so far apart from the rest...

I went with the first unambiguous month for this reason.

I find March to be far from unambiguous, considering 2/3 of it are in winter in the northern hemisphere, astronomically speaking (which is my understanding of winter, and also what appears in most calendars).
So it's a good thing I went by 'screw the southern hemisphere', as otherwise I'd have picked April, May, October or November, the only true answers that are at the same time also the least popular answers.

[namida]

Hm. Maybe my understanding is a bit oversimplified. I've always thought of it as 3 months per season (starting with December as the start of Winter or Summer depending on hemisphere), and inverted between the two hemispheres. In practice there isn't really a hard-and-fast border between them as weather gradually changes, so I guess any definition is ultimately arbitrary.

[ccexplore]

Yes, arbitrary in the sense that there are definitely a few different calendar-based systems around the world for delineating when seasons start and end:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season#Four-season_calendar_reckoning

The one geoo is thinking of is referred to as "astronomical" and apparently dates back to the Roman empire, which explains its relative widespread adoption particularly in Europe and North America.  In that system season boundaries falls on solstices and equinoxes.  A different system referred to as "meteorological" also exists that lines up directly with month boundaries (so Spring is just March, April, May rather than starting on the equinox around 20th of March).  Supposedly it's still preferred over astronomical in Australia, New Zealand and Russia.  Still other systems use the solstices and equinoxes as midpoints of seasons instead, and apparently some South-Asian calendar systems actually use 6 seasons rather than 4.

[ccexplore]

Not being an expert in soccer at all, I'm wondering what sets Manchester United and Real Madrid so far apart from the rest...

It would seem that at least part of it may be due to their financial success?  In other words, they can afford to advertise themselves more effectively.  See how they fairly consistently (esp Real Madrid) took up the top spots in this table for example.

==============

And since clearly a few people here would've missed the joke, grams88's answer (probably not intentionally) is referring to an American football team, where "American football" refers to that extremely popular U.S.-born sport almost completely unknown to rest of the world, which far more resembles rugby than the ball-kicking "football" the rest of the world knows and loves.

[SLIME MINISTER]

I should probably say that I'm Gronkling (just made a new account so I can have my 'new' online-internet name)
and I tried a secret-technique where I related each answer to the question number! it did not work. not at all... 

[grams88]

Unlucky Slime Minister 

Welldone Ccexplore, you done well with the questions. That's me a true american , I like that. 

Interesting how you went for Manchester United and that was an excellent choice as many went for that one.  I listen to an amarican prank call website, You may of heard of the (phone losers of america Ccexplore) very funny.

[Simon]

Manchester United was the first international team I thought of. But I couldn't figrue out why that came to mind first. Therefore, I googled for the current title holder of the UEFA cup, Real Madrid.

This is very interesting, because the gut feeling was that the gut feeling wouldn't be other people's gut feeling. Wrong this time!

-- Simon

[Akseli]

Finally my comments of the first 2015 Feud round.
Some of my intentions when making questions: Inside groups couldn’t answer the same answers to gain benefit, semihumorous Wurst-like answers couldn’t win and you couldn't find general consensus to questions via googling or so, though perhaps this issue remained ambiguous in this round (?). Still, I tested all of my questions by googling them and made the questions so that too obvious answers were prevented.

I aimed for mixed questions in their broadness, difficulties and subjects. Questions of this round related to some extent to my interests. The widest and therefore maybe the most difficult questions I thought to be soccer club (Q2), music group (Q6), animation movie (Q9) and FPS game (Q10) questions. The questions with fewest choices were country (Q1), metalloid (Q4), month (Q5) and intercardinal direction (Q12) questions.

Q1, a question with limited choices, and the outcome was nicely spread, not too many hits for the top answer, and not too many only-one answers.

Q2, the difficult soccer club question. For me, there were three real contenders for this one were Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern München, that have dominated the last few years in their own series and as well in the international tournaments (the most notable tournament is UEFA Champions League). I was surprised that Barcelona and Bayern got 0 or 1 hits, and didn’t even think about Manchester United to be the one people would think at first, probably due to their minimalistic success recently. Nice job for the people who answered that one!

Q3, most hits for the top answer (11) and therefore unfortunately some people gained under 0,1 points for their answers when no one else answered the same.

Q4, another question with limited choices, and nicely there were few notable choices, so it wasn’t a super clear win for the top answer, like in the earlier question.

Q5. <Akseli> Q5... this probably arouses most discussion
I find messing up with Q5, I should have noticed the state of affairs here. My intention was to ask a month question cutting out the most obvious answers, January and December, that’s why I formulated the question in the way it was. So weird that it might sound, I actually didn’t think the hemisphere thing at all and made therefore a big mistake there, and I’m apologizing because of it. I should have formulated the question in a different way, really.

Q6, the outcome of this question surprised me, I thought that this was too wide and hard and there would be dozens of different answers, but somehow people managed to get a general consensus of a music group that would come to one’s mind if asked.

Q7, a lovely variation here, too. By the way, this was the only question that I somehow didn't remember to answer myself before posting the Feud, and after that I just hurried for a some answer and I received the least points here deservedly.

Q8, a question whose top answer surprised me, really nice! Seems that oak really is that remarkable in the temperate zone that that many answered it?

Q9, maybe the hardest question having at most three same answers. I really thought at first to narrow this question to traditional animation movies or computer animation movies, but didn’t want to ask both of them or only one of them, so in the end I ended up wanting to see what this community would answer to just “Name an animation movie” question.

Q10, this was the question I came first up with if I recall correctly. A nice versatility in the answers! I think I cut Halo out of my choices because it’s limited to few consoles. Good job those who managed to get the top answer here!

Q11, half of the people answered the top answer and half unique answers, interesting.

Q12, a limited choices question. I was somewhat proud of coming up with this kind of clear and unbiased question, but in the end I was suspecting that it still might have been prone to googling, maybe?

I should probably say that I'm Gronkling (just made a new account so I can have my 'new' online-internet name)
and I tried a secret-technique where I related each answer to the question number! it did not work. not at all... 

Here were Gronkling's answers by the way:

My answers are gimmicky so probably won't win but its fun

01) Belize (First country when listed alphabetically for first question)
02) Bayern München (second best team for second question)
03) Dean Koontz (third best selling horror author according to amazon for third question)
04) Arsenic (Forth metalloid for fourth question)
05) May (fifth month for fifth question
06) AC/DC (Created sixth best selling album for sixth question)
07) English (It has seven letters I guess?)
08) Birch (The eighth most common tree is a type of birch apparently for eighth question)
09) Shrek (the ninth highest grossing animated film of all times is one of it's sequels for ninth question)
10) Halo (The tenth best selling fps game is a halo sequel apparently for tenth question)
11) Honey (couldnt think of coolrule(tm) to make this 11 related)
12) Southwest (3rd(South) * 4th(West) = 12th for twelfth question)

Feedback from the contenders was both positive and constructive criticism:

This is partially really hard due to not being a native English speaker, furthermore there's really a lot of options with most of these questions!

I would rather decide when to offer how many cookies or to choose between a female with a fake mustache and a drink-buying male... Being a person who does not care about soccer, leaves horror fiction in book stores, has a rather weird taste in music, cannot remember when he last watched an animation movie and thinks "Who needs FPSs if there is Lemmings?", a great many answers are heavily influenced by google .

<SimonN> normal feud scoring gets fun with many entrants
<SimonN> not such a great deal this time, but it's a fresh round with only FF scoring, very nice
<SimonN> the conga line is still the best quizmaster question of all time, but the feud-scoring-only round is extremely exciting too

<mobius_> I thought the questions were great
NaOH also said (in Lix gaming server room) that the questions were “excellent”.

Clam's and geoo's thoughts from Wednesday the 21st of January 2015
<Clam> it's hard
<SimonN> that's the point, if many join, it's hard to end up either winner or loser, so it doesn't matter
<Clam> it's hard to win if geoo is playing
<SimonN> and all will be happy
<SimonN> so?
<SimonN> be bold and enter what comes to mind first
<SimonN> don't be scared of a strong opponent
<geoo> I can not enter for once if you want...but I find this round too hard, too much common trivial knowledge required that I don't have, so I don't think I'll win
<SimonN> you also should enter
<Clam> I can't answer these without looking things up
<SimonN> you are free to do so
<geoo> ok good, so I'm not the only one
<Clam> imo that shouldn't be required
<Clam> and I studied chemistry
<SimonN> you can do whatever you want, except excessive discussion of the possible answers before resolution

Closing quotes:

<Akseli> mobius_: I was thinking of putting in my next Feud a question: "Name a Justin Bieber song."
<geoo> ok we'll make sure you won't become quizmaster ever again

But seriously, if no one else wants to host, I could to do this again anytime, it was fun.

[namida]

<Akseli> mobius_: I was thinking of putting in my next Feud a question: "Name a Justin Bieber song."

Well, that only has one valid answer: "Nothing", because all Justin Bieber makes is noise.

[Quizmaster]

Round 2!


1. Name a country which has similar climate all-year round! (Feud Scoring)

2. Name a colour that you often see in daily life! (Feud Scoring)

3. Name a utensil useful for beating somebody up! (Feud Scoring)

4. If you wanted a robotic upgrade for one of your body parts, which part would you choose? (Feud Scoring)

5. Name a famous non-fictional robot! (Feud Scoring)

6. Name a famous fictional robot! (Feud Scoring)

7. Everyone is a robot on a 4x4 grid. Choose a starting position (row, column) with coordinates integers between 0 and 3 inclusive e.g. (2, 0). Here (0, 0) is the top left corner. Then all robots move simultaneously, one move at a time, up, down, left or right. You move 5 times. At the beginning, and after each move, if two or more robots are on the same field, they explode and disappear and are out of the game. If a robot leaves the field they are out too. For each move that you survive, you get 0.2 points.
Example answer: "I start at field (2, 0) and move UURDR (up, up, right, down, right)".

8. How many robots will survive until the end? (1 point for correct answer, 0.5 points for being one off.)

9. How many robots will survive until the end? (Feud Scoring)

[Simon]

<geoo> quick, somebody bump the family feud topic before it falls into oblivion (i.e. the most recent posts list)

Clarification on question 7: If two people start in adjacient squares, then move towards and through each other during the same movement, they don't explode. The game checks for explosions only after everyone has moved.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

This is the last (very friendly) call for submissions! The feud will be resolved within a bit over 24 hours.

[Quizmaster]

Here are the results, generated by an Excel spreadsheet plus a python script for formatting, plus additional commentary:

1. Name a country which has similar climate all-year round!
Kenya (1.00 points) - Simon, Akseli, Clam
Panama (0.67 points) - ccx, Nepster
Ecuador (0.67 points) - geoo, NaOH
Mexico (0.33 points) - Ramon
Greenland (0.33 points) - Timballisto
Brazil (0.33 points) - RubiX
Australia (0.33 points) - namida

Kenya (because geoo)

This one had quite an obvious answer in hindsight, which I ironically missed.


2. Name a colour that you often see in daily life!
green (1.00 points) - geoo, NaOH, namida, Nepster, Ramon, Timballisto
blue (0.50 points) - RubiX, ccx, Clam
white (0.33 points) - Simon, Akseli

Blue (because sky)

white (tabletop, console/terminal background, teacup, paper)

It seems that 6 players' hacker consoles have green text on black background, as it's supposed to be, stereotypically.


3. Name a utensil useful for beating somebody up!
baseball bat (1.00 points) - Simon, geoo, Ramon
knife (0.67 points) - ccx, Timballisto
bat (0.67 points) - Akseli, Nepster
rolling pin (0.33 points) - RubiX
ladle (0.33 points) - Clam
glass bottle (0.33 points) - namida
club (0.33 points) - NaOH

Ladle (because in-jokes)

knife? [ugh, I squirm just typing out such an answer... ]

So would I at the thought of using the blunt side of a knife to bludgeon somebody...I think knifes are more suitable for stabbing.


4. If you wanted a robotic upgrade for one of your body parts, which part would you choose?
hand (1.00 points) - Simon, Akseli, Nepster
eye (0.67 points) - NaOH, namida
brain (0.67 points) - Clam, Timballisto
arm (0.67 points) - geoo, ccx
penis (0.33 points) - RubiX
leg (0.33 points) - Ramon

arm [though I think in reality I'd rather be Iron Man and goes with a robotic suit, instead of replacing my perfectly good body parts]

That sounds like a very sensible idea, especially at the prospect of some of the suggested replacements which seem more like downgrades...


5. Name a famous non-fictional robot!
Asimo (1.00 points) - Akseli, Clam, Timballisto
Curiosity [Mars Rover] (0.67 points) - geoo, Nepster
|Lovely| (0.33 points) - Simon
roomba (0.33 points) - ccx
robbie the robot (0.33 points) - RubiX
none (0.33 points) - Ramon
deep blue (0.33 points) - namida
Shakey (0.33 points) - NaOH

Quite a few creative answers in the low-scoring range here. I especially like the Roomba, probably the most useful of the bunch (next to maybe |Lovely|).


6. Name a famous fictional robot!
R2D2 (1.00 points) - Akseli, ccx, Clam, Nepster, Ramon, Timballisto
Wall-E (0.33 points) - geoo, NaOH
kryten (0.17 points) - RubiX
Marvin the Paranoid Android (0.17 points) - namida
Bender [Futurama] (0.17 points) - Simon

This one had a clear winner, probably not too surprisingly (I went with Wall-E due to being more recent). Marvin could maybe compose some lullabies for NaOH...


7. Robot dance club

These are everyone's instructions (a few people initially indexed their rows from 1 instead of 0  ):

Code: [Select]

geoo,0,1,LDURL
Simn,1,1,RDLUR
NaOH,1,3,UDUDU
Akse,3,1,RUDLU
Timb,2,3,UDUDU
Neps,2,2,UDUDU
RubX,3,0,URDLU
ccx ,3,2,RLLRU
nami,0,2,RDRUU
Ramn,0,2,DUDUD
Clam,2,0,DRUUU
And this is what comes out of it:

Code: [Select]

Start:
[    ]  [geoo]  [na/Ra] [    ] 
[    ]  [Simn]  [    ]  [NaOH] 
[Clam]  [    ]  [Neps]  [Timb] 
[RubX]  [Akse]  [ccx ]  [    ] 

After 1st move:
[geoo]  [    ]  [    ]  [NaOH] 
[    ]  [    ]  [Si/Ne] [Timb] 
[RubX]  [    ]  [    ]  [    ] 
[Clam]  [    ]  [Akse]  [ccx ] 

After 2nd move:
[    ]  [    ]  [    ]  [    ] 
[geoo]  [    ]  [    ]  [NaOH] 
[    ]  [RubX]  [Akse]  [Timb] 
[    ]  [Clam]  [ccx ]  [    ] 

After 3rd move:
[geoo]  [    ]  [    ]  [NaOH] 
[    ]  [    ]  [    ]  [Timb] 
[    ]  [Clam]  [    ]  [    ] 
[    ]  [Ru/cc] [Akse]  [    ] 

After 4th move:
[    ]  [geoo]  [    ]  [    ] 
[    ]  [Clam]  [    ]  [NaOH] 
[    ]  [    ]  [    ]  [Timb] 
[    ]  [Akse]  [    ]  [    ] 

After 5th move:
[geoo]  [Clam]  [    ]  [NaOH] 
[    ]  [    ]  [    ]  [Timb] 
[    ]  [Akse]  [    ]  [    ] 
[    ]  [    ]  [    ]  [    ] 
NaOH and Timballisto perform Tango the whole time, while namida bumps into Ramon right at the start.

Yes, this is exactly the example backwards.

Clam instead starts right where the example starts which seems to be a better strategy here. Simon and Nepster move around the dangerous center and have to pay for it, crashing into each other right after the first move. A bit later RubiX crashes into ccexplore.

1.00 points - geoo, Akseli, NaOH, Clam, Timballisto
0.40 points - RubiX, ccx
0.00 points - Simon, namida, Nepster, Ramon


8. How many robots will survive until the end? (1 point for correct answer, 0.5 points for being one off.)
5 (1.00 points) - namida, Nepster
4 (0.50 points) - geoo, NaOH
3 (0.00 points) - Simon, Akseli, RubiX, Clam, Timballisto
2 (0.00 points) - Ramon
1 (0.00 points) - ccx

The correct answer was 5, as we can easily see above. Nobody guessed higher than that. It seems that secretly people hoped for more crashes. It'd be interesting to analyze how much the initial number of players affects the expected number of survivors, anybody want to have some fun with Markov chains?


9. How many robots will survive until the end? (Feud Scoring)
0 (1.00 points) - Akseli, namida, ccx, Clam, Ramon
4 (0.40 points) - NaOH, Nepster
3 (0.40 points) - RubiX, Timballisto
2 (0.20 points) - geoo
1 (0.20 points) - Simon

The obvious feud answer when it's about numbers is 0.  Those people who were a bit more serious about this question collectively estimated that people would guess lower than they actually did. Nobody guessed a higher number in Q9 than in Q8.


These are the final results, out of possible 9 points (nobody got close to the perfect score even though it seems like an easy round):

1.  Akseli (7.00)
2.  Clam (6.50)
3.  Nepster (6.40)
4.  Timballisto (6.07)
5.  geoo (6.03)
6.  NaOH (5.23)
6.  ccx (5.23)
8.  Ramon (5.00)
9.  namida (4.83)
10. Simon (4.03)
11. RubiX (2.80)

Congrats to Akseli who won 3 times last year and seems to be off to a good start again!


Finally, attached is a spreadsheet with the results. When converted to a .csv (after everything has been entered), you can apply the attached python script to get a post template that saves a lot of typing work. Also attached the python script for Question 7 in case people want to analyze what could have been...

[ccexplore]

I'm kinda surprised for #3 that so many people (about half) went for general objects rather than what "utensils" usually imply--specifically eating utensils like knife, but failing that, at least kitchen utensils like rolling pin.  Feels like I was getting tricked by the wording......

As for Rubix's #4 answer......um, words fail me...... I guess I know who to pitch to if I ever become a salesman of robotic, um, companions.

[Timballisto]

Good thing I switched from C3PO...

[RubiX]

I felt a lightbult went off the moment I was reading the robotic upgrade question.  DING!
PENIS of course.    (for being the first thing in your mind.   admit it guys.  You all failed me)

You left me hanging.
or dangling.

[namida]

I was tempted to say that, but figured the LF community had outgrown penis jokes (as well as that not all of our members are male).

[NaOH]

NaOH and Timballisto perform Tango the whole time

Wow, this really was quite surprising.

I felt a lightbult went off the moment I was reading the robotic upgrade question.  DING!
PENIS of course.    (for being the first thing in your mind.   admit it guys.  You all failed me)

I was tempted to say that, but figured the LF community had outgrown penis jokes (as well as that not all of our members are male).

Oddly enough, this was my first thought as well. 

[Clam]

(a few people initially indexed their rows from 1 instead of 0  ):

I even drew up a spreadsheet to make sure I'd get this one right... then absent-mindedly numbered the cells from 1 to 4. And because I didn't enter til right at the end I may have actually delayed the round as well.

FAIL

[Akseli]

(nobody got close to the perfect score even though it seems like an easy round)

I think I'm not going to try to evaluate the "difficulty" of any Feud round or question anymore, I don't see much sense in it, everyone sees this issue in so different ways. Simon said that a difficult Feud question is that kind that you are not confident about your answer, it sounds like an okay definition. Going with this, the easiest question for me in this round was definitely #2, white was a clearly obvious answer for me immediately. I can go on Simon's list with my furniture, walls, food, milk, writing equipment, LF background, snow everywhere outside. So, does anyone want to explain why green?

#1 Yeah, Kenya because of geoo. I never actually realize to think answers from previous rounds, like those apparently did who answered Panama and Ecuador.
#3 I meant baseball bat with my answer, but it failed to be that accurate.
#5 This was one of the hardest standard scoring questions for me ever, I admit that I thought of answering the same as Ramon did here.
#7 This was one of the best and funniest non-standard scoring questions I've seen! It resembled a bit those maze questions we had years ago.

[NaOH]

Days where I don't see green outside are not a day well lived.

[namida]

[Quizmaster]

Greetings and welcome to Family Feud 2015, Round 3. I was kidnapped by geoo and Akseli and being tortured for the past few days in a dark lonesome cellar up in Scandinavia to make me host the next Family Feud round on LF, and it seems they have succeeded in their virtuous task to keep this game alive for another season.

In other words, this is my first Family Feud as a host, so expect nothing special. I hope you'll still enjoy it though!

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Questions 1 to 10 will be scored using the normal Feud system.
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1. Name a film series featuring at least three installments.

2. Name a trick you can perform on a skateboard.

3. Name a public transportation vehicle.

4. Name an ancient human civilization.

5. Name a famous skiing resort.

6. Name a board game that can be played by at least 2 people.

7. Name one of the four classical (not chemical) elements.

8. Name a famous mathematician.

9. Name a fear that does not originate from creatures.

10. Which one of the original 8 skill lemmings would be most likely to play in a band?

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The following questions have their own scoring systems.
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11. You are now playing Lemmings and need to beat a level with 2 Lemmings and a save requirement of 50%. (Ignore the numbers for now, they are relevant for the next question.)



However there is only a limited pool of skills available: Climber, Floater, Bomber, Walker, Builder, Basher, Miner, Digger. (For those unfamiliar with the Walker skill: Using it on a walking lemming will turn it around.) Each player must choose exactly one skill to beat the above level with. You will score 1/n points for this question, where n is the number of participants that chose your particular skill.

12. You are now playing Lemmings again, and by chance, the same level as in the question above. However! This now seems to have turned into a multiplayer spectacle.
Consider the following scenario: Each player is represented by a lemming that will enter from the above trapdoor and wants to reach the exit. Initially, each player starts with 0 skills, but they may buy up to three skills from the skill pool from question 11 for a certain amount of points. The lemmings will enter the level in a certain order which the player will choose, and (important!) that lemming will complete all its actions before the next lemming enters. The resulting terrain is left untouched until then.
The numbers on the map correlate to at which point your lemming can use a skill (bombers are exempt from this question, climbers and floaters will be assigned immediately on entering). Note that you cannot use two skills at the same location at the same time.

1: Walker, Builder (assume that a built bridge here will splat lemmings walking over it!), Basher or Miner (to remove bridges)
2: Digger, Builder (to close digger hole)
3: Basher, Miner, Builder (to close basher/miner hole)
4: Builder, Basher or Miner (to remove bridges; basher will only remove bridges built from point 4)
5: Builder (prevents lemmings from dropping through this gap from both sides), Basher or Miner (removes bridges built from point 4 or 5)

Each skill price follows the same pattern (skills are bought directly before your lemming enters the level and points are spent even if the skills aren't used):

The first of each skill is free, afterwards the cost for a particular skill increases by 0.2 points for each time that skill is bought (basically, 0.2*(m-1) for the m-th time that this skill is bought).
Buying a second and third skill costs 0.3 points each, additional to the above price. You may also choose not to buy any skills and hope that a lemming in front of you has already laid out a path to the exit. You may also buy the same skill repeatedly (pay attention to the cost increase of the skill itself, which still applies).

To determine the order the lemmings enter the level, each player needs to specify an integer between 1 and 100 (both inclusive). Due to bad air conditioning of this level, entering the level earlier comes at a price, so 1/(2n) points will be initially deduced from the n-th player to enter the level for the first half of the entering lemmings. If two or more people enter at the same time, the order is determined by amount of skills bought (least to most) - in case there's still a tie, those lemmings simply won't enter the level at all due to not fitting through the trapdoor together at once.

If your lemming reaches the exit, you will receive 1 point, if it dies, you lose 0.5 points. If your lemming becomes stuck in eternal limbo, no points are given or deduced.
This may also be a good opportunity to not simply gain points, but to sabotage other players to lose points.

Ultimately: Each player sends me an integer between 1 and 100 (determining the order), then which skills to buy (0 allowed), then which skill to use at which location (1 to 5) on the level.

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I realize that question 12 is quite complicated and currently still more of an experiment, and thus I am open to any and all kinds of questions asked in regard. I may also answer with my actual account (Ramond), and it may be possible that the question scoring or mechanics will still be changed after some reviewing (people may then revise their answers for this question). Note that I won't join in this feud round myself though.

And now have fun!

[ccexplore]

I was under the impression that nothing can get worse than my robo-Santa question so honestly I wouldn't worry.  If nothing else, hosting a less-than-successful feud round ensures that you won't be bothered again in the future to do so, so maybe yay? (Note: not my intention despite appearances to the contrary, though it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.)

[Quizmaster]

I'd like to state a clarification for question 12, since it kind of wasn't explicitly mentioned in the post.

Skill prices are global, meaning at the beginning, each skill would cost 0 points. Then, if a player would buy a climber skill, he would get it for free, afterwards the climber skill is priced 0.2 points for the next time this skill is bought, be it by the same player or another player afterwards - skills retain their price for all future players. (That is why late-comers might be in danger to spend too many points on a skill that has been bought often before.)

[namida]

^ In this case, how is it determined who bought the skill first? Is it the same way their "turns" are determined?

[Ramon]

Yes, each player buys his skills directly before his turn.

[Quizmaster]

As a reminder: This round will most likely be resolved in around 24 hours, so in case you haven't joined yet, now is the time to do so!

(*cough* This is a great chance to push Akseli off his feud throne! *cough*) Oh my, where did this cold come from.

[Quizmaster]

Looks like the results for Round 3 are in!

1. Name a film series featuring at least three installments.
Star Wars - ccx, NaOH, Timballisto, geoo, Akseli, Simon, Minim (1 point)
Harry Potter - namida (1/7 point)
Back to the Future - mobius (1/7 point)

2. Name a trick you can perform on a skateboard.
ollie/jump - NaOH, Timballisto, geoo, Akseli, Minim, namida (1 point)
one-eighty - Simon (1/6 point)
grind - mobius (1/6 point)
falling - ccx (1/6 point)

2. falling [hey, you asked for trick "you can perform"...that's the only one I can do with a skateboard! ]

3. Name a public transportation vehicle.
bus - ccx, NaOH, geoo, mobius, Simon, Minim, namida (1 point)
train - Timballisto (1/7 point)
plane - Akseli (1/7 point)

4. Name an ancient human civilization.
Egyptians - ccx, Timballisto, geoo, Minim (1 point)
Aztecs - Akseli, mobius (1/2 point)
Romans - NaOH, Simon (1/2 point)
Mayans - namida (1/4 point)

5. Name a famous skiing resort.
This question should have most likely been a bit narrowed down as there were (almost) exclusively different answers.

Whistler Blackcomb - NaOH, mobius (1 point) (that is assuming NaOH meant that by "Whistler")
Aspen - ccx (1/2 point)
Breckenridge - Timballisto (1/2 point)
Jasná - geoo (1/2 point)
Chamonix - Akseli (1/2 point)
L'Alpe d'Huez - Simon (1/2 point) ("this appeared in my French book in High School")
Jackson Hole - Minim (1/2 point)
Malik Pass - namida (1/2 point)

6. Name a board game that can be played by at least 2 people.
Chess - ccx, NaOH, geoo, Akseli (1 point)
Monopoly - Simon, namida (1/2 point)
Snakes & Ladders - Minim (1/4 point)
Checkers - Timballisto (1/4 point)
Go - mobius (1/4 point)

7. Name one of the four classical (not chemical) elements.
Earth - NaOH, Akseli, mobius, Simon, Minim, namida (1 point)
Fire - ccx, geoo, Timballisto (1/2 point)

You will need to explain to me why Earth was so popular (seriously the first 6 answers I got were Earth).

7. Earth (was tempted to say "Heart" and see how many people got the reference)

8. Name a famous mathematician.
Euler - ccx, Simon (1 point)
Gauss - NaOH, geoo (1 point)
Pythagoras - Minim, namida (1 point)
Archimedes - Akseli (1/2 point)
Euclid - mobius (1/2 point)
Insane Steve - Timballisto (1/2 point) (  style points)

9. Name a fear that does not originate from creatures.
Acrophobia / Fear of Heights - ccx, Timballisto, Akseli, mobius, Simon, namida (1 point)
Claustrophobia / Fear of tight Spaces - geoo, Minim (1/3 point)
Nyctophobia / Fear of Dark - NaOH (1/6 point)

10. Which one of the original 8 skill lemmings would be most likely to play in a band?
Bomber - NaOH, geoo, minim (1 point)
Digger - Timballisto, mobius (2/3 points)
Floater - ccx (1/3 point)
Blocker - Akseli (1/3 point)
Builder - Simon (1/3 point)
Basher - namida (1/3 point)

10. digger [in the DOS pic I used to think it looked like the lemming was playing a banjo. Don't ask me why]

10. Basher; put 'em on the drums

10. Bomber (Boom, Boom, Pow maybe? )

All the others shall feel obliged to tell me their motives for choosing the respective skill lemming to play in a band.

11. You are now playing Lemmings and need to beat a level with 2 Lemmings and a save requirement of 50%.
Basher - Akseli, Simon, minim (1/3 point)
Digger - NaOH, mobius (1/2 point)
Walker - ccx (1 point)
Builder - Timballisto (1 point)
Floater - geoo (1 point)
Miner - namida (1 point)

Nobody chose climber or bomber, so the Quizmaster gets 2*infinite points.

11. Basher, nobody will use the basher, everybody will use the miner because they want to be sneaky

12. Pseudo-multiplayer lemmings!

Now, this will get interesting. Here a little recap of how the level looks like:



ACTIONS:
1 -> 1: ccx - Floater
2 -> 4: namida - Floater, Builder at 1
3 -> 18: geoo - Floater
4 -> 51: mobius
5 -> 74: Akseli
6 -> 77: minim - Walker at 1, Builder at 5, Miner at 3 (I adjusted this on short notice because Miner cannot be used at point 2)
7 -> 82: Simon - Walker at 1
8 -> 89: Timballisto
9 -> 91: NaOH - Miner at 1, Digger at 2

In the beginning, there was ccx, having a nice day and buying a Floater skill (-0 points). Being very eager to leave the trapdoor he immediately notices the bad air conditioning in the level and chokes a little (-1/2 points). However he didn't forget to bring his umbrella and manages to float down to the exit safely. (+1 point)

Next up, namida, already hatching evil plans. He buys a Floater (-0.2 points), and as a second skill (-0.3 points) a Builder (-0 points). The air hasn't become considerably better (-1/4 points), but still namida presses on and immediately uses his set of bricks to build a splat trap right in front of the trapdoor. (Remember the description said we'd assume a bridge at position 1 would make lemmings splat.) Having brought an umbrella, namida manages to reach the exit (+1 point) after floating down his bridge trap and a pit. The level now looks as follows:



Afterwards, geoo decides to buy a Floater (-0.4 points), gives a remark about the bad air (-1/6 points) and simply bypasses namida's trap without any problems, floats down the pit and happily enters the exit (+1 point).

mobius is the next one to enter the level, still feeling minimally intoxicated by the air (-1/8 points). Having no worries he just strolls along the path until he falls off a bridge. His life flashes before his eyes before he splats on the ground (-0.5 points).

Akseli (the level's air is finally fresh) enters the level, not buying any skills. Sadly he suffers the same fate as mobius, not anticipating the pit that opened up in front of him after climbing namida's bridge (-0.5 points). Guess there aren't many pit traps back in Finland.

The next one to roll is Minim, stocking up 3 skills (-0.3*2 points): buying a Walker (-0 points), a Builder (-0.2 points) and a Miner (-0 points). He quickly anticipates a trap upon seeing namida's bridge and turns around. After a while he builds a bridge over a pit and then finally uses his pickaxe to mine himself a path to the exit (+1 point). The level now looks as follows:



Next up is Simon with a Walker (-0.2 points) skill. Cautiously he approaches the bridge but then turns around. Since Minim has laid out such a nice path, Simon manages to reach the exit (+1 point).

Timballisto enters the level in high spirits to reach the exit, but his hopes are shattered as namida's bridge thwarts his master-plan to follow a previous lemming's nicely laid path to the exit. (-0.5 points)

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 89.  Buy nothing.  Go.  Trust in your god young Lemming.

Finally, NaOH decides to take a peek at the level and buys a Miner (-0.2 points) and a Digger (-0 points, -0.3 points for second skill). Upon reaching the bridge, the destructive NaOH takes out her pickaxe and destroys it in a burst of rage. Afterwards the path is laid out clear and she manages to simply walk all the way to the exit without ever using her digging gloves. (+1 point) The level now looks as follows:



That concludes this multiplayer game with the following results:
ccx +0.5 points
NaOH +0.5 points
Timballisto -0.5 points
geoo +0.433 points
Akseli -0.5 points
mobius -0.625 points
Simon +0.8 points
Minim +0.2 points
namida +0.25 points

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Feud Conclusion
geoo - 9.77 points
NaOH - 9.67 points
ccx - 9.00 points
minim - 8.62 points
Simon - 8.13 points
namida - 7.98 points
Timballisto - 7.06 points
Akseli - 6.81 points
mobius - 6.10 points

Congratulations to the 9 winners and thanks to all participants! And with this, I step down from my Quizmaster throne 


Here a link to the spreadsheet in case anybody wants to check for mistakes (I'm doing this for my first time and I know the formatting sucks )

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jTrEtx6rr9DLmuEJNB9JV5vO-1xH_MEVK8IhcXZFKtc/pubhtml

[Akseli]

#1 - Another connection to the previous feud round.
#4 - Oh yes, a Lemmings reference there.
#6 - This was a question that I had prepared for my possible upcoming feud rounds.
#7 - This was imo interesting and a good question, because I really thought that all the possible answers were really equally strong, I am as well surprised by the outcome. A guess: People checked this topic from Wikipedia, and "earth" was just mentioned there first?
#10 - Blocker, because he keeps rhythm with his foot . Bomber is also a good answer because of the countdown.

[mobius]

Name a famous skiing resort:
Whistler Blackcomb was the first google search for the question, I'm surprised more people didn't get this.

Name one of the four classical (not chemical) elements:
earth is the first in the usual list and the band name "Earth wind and fire"

Name a famous mathematician:
I was gonna say Euler. I did high school project on Euler but I thought he was not the most well known compared to the others.

I didn't bother with the complicated questions.

[Quizmaster]

Hi,

thanks to Ramon for hosting the previous round. The last question was probably the most elaborate yet.

This round is a simpler one. It will be open until Saturday, 23:59 UTC. I'll be away during next week and want to resolve the feud before that, early Sunday.

Everybody on this forum can participate. Send your answers to the Quizmaster via private message.

The first 10 questions have normal feud scoring.

1. Name a four-letter word that ends with ARE.
2. Name a funny letter from the English alphabet.
3. Name a spice found in many kitchens.
4. Name a favorite meal of small children.
5. Name a type of tea.
6. Name a favorite pastime of the ancient Romans.
7. Name the number of days per week on which the average Finn enjoys sauna.
8. Name a country where many Lemmings Forums users come from.
9. Your upstairs neighbor is playing loud music. What do you use to knock against the ceiling?
10. Oh là là! Your relatives de Françe make une visite surprise. Le what dish do you serve them to make them très happi?

11. The restaurant offers three types of pizza:
a) Leek pizza,
b) Arabic pizza with 1001 spices and curry chicken, recommended by restaurant chef Abdn Hdn Abk,
c) Real American cowboy pizza with freshly shot meat and healthy barbecue sauce.
11 a. Choose one of them to eat. (no scoring)
11 b. Guess which pizza is eaten by most players. You must guess different pizzas for 11a and 11b. Scoring is similar to a feud question: (eaters of your guessed pizza) / (eaters of the most-eaten pizza).

-- Simon

[grams88]

I wonder who's going to win this time. 

[Quizmaster]

Hi everyone,

here's the resolution of the feud. It's slightly earlier than the promised time of resolution, but with a whopping 13 entrants, I don't expect more. Here we go.

This must be Simon, Hi Simon

Hey there, prickly Quizzmaster. Here are my answers:

Very happy, very happy!

1. Name a four-letter word that ends with ARE.

Care (1.00 points) - Simon, Minim, Pieuw, grams88, Proxima, Akseli, NaOH
Dare (0.57 points) - ccexplore, namida, Timballisto, Ramon
Bare (0.29 points) - 607, geoo

bare. (at first I wanted to say fare, but then I decided to do the first one in alphabetical order)

2. Name a funny letter from the English alphabet.

Q (1.00 points) - namida, Minim, 607, Proxima, Timballisto
W (0.40 points) - ccexplore, Akseli
K (0.40 points) - Simon, NaOH
Z (0.20 points) - grams88
P (0.20 points) - Pieuw
F (0.20 points) - Ramon
A (0.20 points) - geoo

3. Name a spice found in many kitchens.

Pepper (1.00 points) - ccexplore, Pieuw, 607, Akseli, NaOH, geoo, Timballisto, Ramon
Salt (0.12 points) - Simon
Paprika (0.12 points) - namida
Cinnamon (0.12 points) - Proxima
Chili (0.12 points) - Minim
Basil (0.12 points) - grams88

pepper (salt is not a spice. If it wins then I'll boil a very salty brew and sacrifice everyone who answered salt in it)

4. Name a favorite meal of small children.

Mac and Cheese (1.00 points) - namida, Timballisto
French Fries (1.00 points) - Akseli, 607
Mc Donald's Happy Meal (1.00 points) - ccexplore, Ramon
Wurst (0.50 points) - geoo
Spaghetti (0.50 points) - Simon
Porridge (0.50 points) - Proxima
Pizza (0.50 points) - grams88
Fish and Chips (0.50 points) - Minim
Burgers and French Fries (0.50 points) - Pieuw
Baby Food (0.50 points) - NaOH

Sadly, candies are no meal. I'd say burgers and French fries.

French fries. (those are weird children, I've always preffered Brussels sprouts and spinach).

This is a tricky one, I will have to think what would other people pick. (Pizza) I loved pizza as a kid. Used to get those tiny cheese pizzas that you put in the microwave.

wurst (should be spaghetti, but I'm trying to give boring answers here)

See, geoo, you should have picked spaghetti for +0.5 points.

Inspired by the results, I plan to make Mac'n'Cheese myself sometime, with the real American recipe using lots of cheddar.

5. Name a type of tea

Green tea (1.00 points) - ccexplore, namida, Minim, Akseli, geoo, Ramon
Black tea (0.67 points) - Simon, Pieuw, NaOH, Timballisto
Strawberry (0.17 points) - 607
Chamomile (0.17 points) - Proxima
Camellia (0.17 points) - grams88

I don't think Chamomile and Camellia are the same plant, even though they have similar names.

I chose to set English Breakfast equal to Black tea. Herem's the reasoning, with a little digression:

[23:52] <SimonN> okay, is English Breakfast tea the same as Black tea?
[23:52] <SimonN> it is a subclass really, but the important black teas are all inside
[23:53] <Akseli> as for the tea question, people have weird answers :P
[23:54] <SimonN> I expected everyone to state Green tea or Black tea, people haven't :>
[23:55] <geoo> SimonN: with all the spoilers that have been said in here, I think there's no point waiting for further submissions
[23:56] <SimonN> I don't think anyone will enter anyway, we have 13 submissions
[23:56] <SimonN> and I want to be done by that time
[23:57] <Akseli> : - - - - - - D
[23:58] <Akseli> 13 is ridiculously many for Feud that's been ongoing for half a week
[23:59] <SimonN> all you gotta do is ask good questions about food and la frençhe cuisine!
[00:00] <SimonN> okay, Black tea (== or !=) English Breakfast would bump the English Breakfast guy from place 11/13 to 8/13, and it switches places between 3/13 and 4/13
[00:00] <SimonN> so it won't affect too much
[00:02] <SimonN> I will let Yahoo Answers take care of this one, (link to Yahoo Answers) -- and thus I'll merge the answers

6. Name a favorite pastime of the ancient Romans.

Gladiator Fights (1.00 points) - Simon, ccexplore, Proxima, Akseli
Fighting (0.50 points) - Minim, grams88
Visiting the Colloseum (0.25 points) - namida
Sauna (0.25 points) - geoo
Killing people (0.25 points) - Timballisto
Hopscotch (0.25 points) - Ramon
Having sex (0.25 points) - Pieuw
Gambling with dice (0.25 points) - 607
Chariot racing (0.25 points) - NaOH

gladiator fights [really tempted answer: "orgies" (even though probably a myth) ]

Having sex. I'm just being realistic

sauna/sudatorium/spa (same thing )

Here, I had to make painful decisions on what to treat as equal.

Gladiator fights == Watching gladiator fights,
Gladiator fights != Visiting the Colloseum != Chariot racing,
Gladiator fights != Killing people,
Gladiator fights != Fighting,
Fighting == Battling.

Reason treating "gladiator fights" distinct from "visiting the Collosseum":

The Colosseum was used to host gladiatorial shows as well as a variety of other events. The shows, called munera, were always given by private individuals rather than the state. They had a strong religious element but were also demonstrations of power and family prestige, and were immensely popular with the population. Another popular type of show was the animal hunt, or venatio.

7. Name the number of days per week on which the average Finn enjoys sauna.

7 (1.00 points) - ccexplore, namida, Pieuw, 607, grams88, Proxima, NaOH, geoo, Timballisto, Ramon
1 (0.20 points) - Simon, Akseli
2 (0.10 points) - Minim

Since Akseli is from Finland, 1 is much more correct than 7. Nobody cares much though, since this is the feud, where you must go for popularity. :-)

Must be 7 days a week, need to ask Akseli.

7. (not too realistic, but it was the question number, so yeah...)

I guess they enjoy sauna seven days a week. If the question meant "How many days a week are they actually having sauna?" it was unclear

8. Name a country where many Lemmings Forums users come from.

USA (1.00 points) - Simon, namida, Pieuw, 607, Proxima, Akseli
Germany (0.50 points) - ccexplore, geoo, Ramon
Great Britain (0.33 points) - Minim, grams88
New Zealand (0.17 points) - NaOH
Azerbaijan (0.17 points) - Timballisto

This one was pretty hard, USA has at least 3 people coming from it, but there are many other countries with at least 2 prominent members.

USA (was tempted to check memberlists/etc, but then realised that no one else is going to think to do that)

9. Your upstairs neighbor is playing loud music. What do you use to knock against the ceiling?

Broom (1.00 points) - Simon, ccexplore, Pieuw, grams88, NaOH, geoo, Timballisto, Ramon
My hands (0.38 points) - Minim, 607, Akseli
Very powerful sound waves (0.12 points) - namida
Rapier (0.12 points) - Proxima

broom [although practically speaking, I suspect people are more likely to have an umbrella than a broom]

My hands (I'm tall, so I can reach the ceiling easily)

my hand. (I hope the ceiling is not too tough)

10. Oh là là! Your relatives de Françe make une visite surprise. Le what dish do you serve them to make them très happi?

Baguette (1.00 points) - Simon, Akseli, Ramon
Escargot (1.00 points) - ccexplore, Timballisto, grams88
Wurst (0.33 points) - geoo
Um... French stuff? (0.33 points) - namida
Soup (0.33 points) - Minim
Magret de canard with rosemary roasted potatoes (0.33 points) - Pieuw
Crêpes (0.33 points) - 607
Croissants (0.33 points) - NaOH
Bouillabaisse (0.33 points) - Proxima

Snails == Escargot, here.
Soup != Bouillabaisse, the latter is is a subclass of soup.

Escargot [mostly for feud purpose only--realistically speaking, unless you're an actual decent French chef or have actually decent French restaurants in your locale, you are probably better off avoiding French dishes altogether?]

Escargots, frog legs, cheese and baguette! Hum, more seriously, magret de canard with rosemary roasted potatoes. Nobody will answer that and now I'm hungry, this question is evil.

wurst (I think they want something exotic rather than something they are used to like baguette or quiche)

11a. Pizza eaten, no scoring.

Leek (6 people) - ccexplore, namida, Minim, 607, NaOH, geoo
Arabic (5 people) - Simon, grams88, Akseli, Timballisto, Ramon
Cowboy (2 people) - Pieuw, Proxima

Leek pizza. (You didn't give much consideration of that some of us are vegetarian, dude. )

A whopping third of the broad menu was vegan even! Even IRL, I'd think leek pizza is good...

Leek pizza (no-one else likes that one)

Leek pizza. (I have no idea what that is, but it doesn't sound like someone would want it)

Awww, dangit. :-(

11b. Pizza guessed, this scores (eaters of guessed pizza) / (eaters of most-eaten pizza).

Leek (1.00 point) - (nobody has guessed this)
Arabic (0.83 points) - ccexplore, namida, Minim, Pieuw, Proxima, NaOH, geoo
Cowboy (0.33 points) - Simon, 607, grams88, Akseli, Timballisto, Ramon

Arabic pizza with 1001 spices and curry chicken, recommended by restaurant chef Abdn Hdn Abk (delicious)

Total scores

1.   ccexplore (9.30)
2.   Akseli (8.31)
3.   Timballisto (7.99)
4.   Ramon (7.85)
5.   Pieuw (7.78)
6.   namida (7.24)
7.   Simon (7.23)
8.   NaOH (7.15)
9.   Proxima (7.08)
10.   geoo (6.90)
11.   607 (6.74)
12.   grams88 (6.16)
13.   Minim (6.10)

We have some rising stars here. After a slow start, ccexplore hit all the top answers in a row. Congratulations!

Akseli got a nice second place, but is recommended to study the sauna habits of Finland further.

The lower part of the scoreboard is pretty bunched up, nobody should feel sad here either.

Thanks everyone for participating!

-- Simon

[namida]

If no one's decided to run the next Feud yet, I wouldn't mind having a go at running one at some point.

[Quizmaster]

Muahahaha. I have gained control of the QuizMaster account and shall soon use it to TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE!

But in the meantime, let's get the next round going! You all know the rules by now. Seems the normal resolution time is about two weeks, give or take, so we'll go with that. But enough about technical details, let's get onto the fun part - the questions!


Standard Feud Scoring

1. Name a place where you would go to buy pizza.

2. Name a country that does not have a president.

3. Name a level from "COVOX Lemmings".

4. Name a commonly-consumed product which is generally thought to be unhealthy.

5. Name a dwarf planet.

6. Name a real-life venomous creature.

7. Name an evil dictator (past or present).

8. Name a programming language.

9. Name a version of the Windows operating system.

10. Name a Lemmings Forums member who is not yourself, a global moderator or an administrator.

Non-Standard Scoring

11. Pick a whole number between 1 and 25. (Highest number gets 0.2 point, second highest gets 0.4 points, etc; but if two people choose the same number, both get zero points)
12. Pick a whole number between 1 and 25. (Lowest number gets 0.2 point, second lowest gets 0.4 points, etc; but if two people choose the same number, both get zero points)
13. Guess how many numbers will have "collisions" in question 11 and 12 combined. See below for more explanation on this. (Feud scoring)
14. Guess how many numbers will have "collisions" in question 11 and 12 combined. See below for more explanation on this. (Closest answer gets 2 points, second gets 1 point, third gets 0.5 points; in the case of multiple tied answers the points are split)

To further explain question 13 and 14, this is not how many people will pick the same number as someone else, but how many numbers will have more than one person picking them. For this, consider questions 11 and 12 seperately - eg. if the same number has a collision in both 11 and 12, this counts as two collisions. In the case of tied entries for #14, to give an example, if two players are tied for first, they would get 1.5 points each (2pts for 1st + 1pt for 2nd = 3pts, which split over two people = 1.5pts).

[geoo]

In question 10, why did you add the restriction "not yourself"? It doesn't seem to serve any purpose, but disadvantages people likely to be picked in that question.


I quite liked the previous feud round, fun questions with a sensible spread of answers. And it's good to see that the boring answers don't win anymore. (Meaning I went with the wrong strategy of picking the first alphabetically, or 'wurst' for food questions. Had I gone with my intuitive answers I'd have scored full score on Q1, 2, 4 and 10. So no more of that in the future I guess.)

[Quizmaster]

About the answer on #10, this is an issue we've never clarified as a group. Feud answers that are factual mistakes are counted as-is. Does that hold for blatant disregard of the question? This is specifically about feud questions, not about nonstandard questions with their narrow kinds of allowed input.

Received this in a PM. I would say that yes, since it's feud scoring, even blatantly disregarding the question should still be scored as is - which might give a better result in this case, depending on who you are. This is probably something we should all discuss for future rounds, but for this round, it's pure feud scoring (except on the non-standard questions) regardless of whether your answer regards the limits of the question or not.

[ccexplore]

Yeah, it's been my understanding that even the most nonsensical or blatantly question-ignoring answers still count just like any other answers for normal feud scoring, ie. that is what normal feud scoring means.  IIRC, when I hosted my round I was careful to explicitly state in a few questions where I wanted to deviate from this, that certain answers will be "forbidden" and would result in a score of 0.  (And there are questions like #1 in my round, where the question is intentionally vague and basically invites for any and all answers to be scored, ie. normal feud scoring.)

In practice since it's fairly unlikely for multiple people to converge to the same nonsense/disregardful answer, under normal feud scoring it probably doesn't matter in the final outcome whether they count as 0 vs the very small number of points they likely end up earning.  But keep in mind it can be difficult to rigorously define "blatant disregard" and other such things--much simpler to say all answers count when those edge cases likely won't make a difference in the final outcome.

[namida]

In other words, you could theoretically answer "My ass" to every question. You're probably not likely to score much though.

I'm tempted to do that now, but I already submitted my answers for this round. (Made sure to submit them before anyone else, to avoid any possibility I'm basing them on what other people have answered.)

[607]

Would you guys mind if I hosted something similar to this on a different forum?

[Ramon]

Would you guys mind if I hosted something similar to this on a different forum?

It's not like this game has been invented on this forum  it's based on a TV game show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Feud

So no, there's most likely not going to be any problem if you host something like that somewhere else

[Simon]

  Will the feud resolve soon? The clam eyes are very googly in anticipation already!

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

I did say two weeks(ish), so that'll mean around the end of the month. Since the last received answers were just yesterday, I think an early close would be a bit premature at this point.

[Quizmaster]

Received another set of new answers since then. At this point, I'm willing to resolve the feud once we've gone 24 hours (starting from now) without receiving any new submissions.

[ccexplore]

I almost forgot but finally posted my answers.  Not sure that's worth resetting the 24-hour clock though unless there are other procrastinators like me.

Have to say, I don't feel like I'll do very well on this round, and at the same time none of the questions were able to inspire me to come up with even one funny/interesting bit of comment.  Maybe that's subconsciously why I procrastinated on this one.

[Nepster]

... unless there are other procrastinators like me.

There are  . Just handed in my answers.

[Quizmaster]

We're about half an hour shy of the 24 hour mark, but it's unlikely we'll get more, so I'll start tallying them up.

[Quizmaster]

Alright then! Let's see how things went!

1. Name a place where you would go to buy pizza.

For this one, several answers were variations of generally "a pizza store". I've counted these as the same. However, I counted "restaurant" as seperate, as that doesn't specifically imply a pizza store.

Pizza store / Pizza restaurant / Pizzeria - 6 people (1 point)
> 607, Akseli, grams88, NaOH, Nepster, Timballisto

Pizza Hut - 2 people (0.33 points)
> ccexplore, Simon

Answers given by only one person (0.17 points each)
> geoo: "Restaurant"
> Minim: "Papa John's"
> namida: "Domino's Pizza"


2. Name a country that does not have a president.

For this one, I have counted "UK", "The UK" and "Great Britain" as the same.

Great Britain / The UK - 6 people (1 point)
> 607, ccexplore, geoo, grams88, Minim, Simon

Answers given by only one person (0.17 points each)
> Akseli: "New Zealand"
> namida: "Australia"
> NaOH: "Canada"
> Nepster: "Vatican"
> Timballisto: "Sealand"


3. Name a level from "COVOX Lemmings".

All but one person answered "The COVOX Level" here. That one exception said "the first level", which technically, is The COVOX Level (although a somewhat sneaky way of choosing it). I'll accept that as the same.

With that being said, everyone chose The COVOX Level here, so that's simply 1 point to everyone.

3. The COVOX Level (I was really tempted to say "I don't know", but I was too curious to not look it up)

4. Name a commonly-consumed product which is generally thought to be unhealthy.

In this one, I felt the answers were differentiated enough that none should be counted as the same. So...

Pizza - 3 people (1 point)
> Akseli, Grams88, Timballisto

Answers given by only one person (0.33 points each)
> 607: "Candy"
> ccexplore: "Fast food"
> geoo: "Fries"
> Minim: "Lard"
> namida: "Tobacco"
> Nepster: "Chocolate"
> Simon: "Coke"

No answer given (0 points)
> NaOH

4. Coke, the drink

5. Name a dwarf planet.

Well. Every contestant answered "Pluto" to this one, so it's one point to everyone.

5. Pluto (I wonder how much "IT'S A PLANET" arguing we'll get )

6. Name a real-life venomous creature.

Snake - 8 people (1 point)
> Akseli, ccexplore, geoo, grams88, Minim, namida, NaOH, Simon

Answers given by only one person (0.13 points each)
> 607: "Shark"
> Nepster: "Black Widow"
> Timballisto: "Scorpion"

6. Snake (Or Viper, if you want a more specific answer)

7. Name an evil dictator (past or present).

Well, it seems we had a lot of agreement as to the answer to this question. I considered "Hitler" and "Adolf Hitler" the same answer, obviously.

Hitler - 10 people (1 point)
> 607, Akseli, ccexplore, geoo, Minim, namida, NaOH, Nepster, Simon, Timballisto

Answers given by only one person (0.09 points each)
> grams88: "Saddam Hussein"

7. Adolf Hitler (at first I wanted to do Kim Jong Un because I wasn't sure if Hitler was a dictator, but I decided to just go for it)

7. Hitler (was very tempted to say "John Key")

PS: I would stay away from political questions like Q7 in the future. It is too easy to step on someone's toes if answering a present dictator.

8. Name a programming language.

I did NOT consider "C" and "C++" the same for this question. I would assume a lot of people would agree with me on this.

C++ - 5 people (1 point)
> ccexplore, geoo, Minim, Nepster, Simon

Answers given by only one person (0.2 points each)
> 607: "Java"
> Akseli: "C"
> grams88: "Cobol"
> namida: "Delphi"
> NaOH: "D"
> Timballisto: "QBasic" (I would've considered this the same as "Basic" if anyone had answered that)

8. C++ <-- This is an amended answer, my original answer was C; these shouldn't be treated as feud-equivalent. Even though C is more prevalent in open source, I will choose C++ because the non-programmers will think of that more quickly. If HTML wins this, geoo can fetch his salty concoction.

9. Name a version of the Windows operating system.

Probably the most different "not just one person" answers here out of any of these questions. I would've treated "Windows 8" and "Windows 8.1" as equivalent if it came up, but it didn't.

Windows 7 - 4 people (1 point)
> 607, Akseli, ccexplore, geoo

Windows 8 - 3 people (0.75 points)
> grams88, Nepster, Simon

Windows XP - 2 people (0.5 points)
> namida, NaOH

Answers given by only one person (0.25 points each)
> Minim: "Windows 95"
> Timballisto: "Windows 3.1"

9. Windows 7 (another good question! I decided to go with what most people use. But I think Windows 95, Vista and XP might also be chosen a lot)

Well, Vista didn't get chosen at all.


10. Name a Lemmings Forums member who is not yourself, a global moderator or an administrator.

We had two answers here that ignored the question's limits - but as mentioned above, on feud scoring questions this is irrelevant, the answers are still scored as such. To be specific, we had one user who named themself, and one user who named an administrator.

Simon - 6 people (1 point)
> 607, Akseli, geoo, grams88, namida, Simon

Quizmaster - 2 people (0.33 points)
> NaOH, Nepster

Answers given by only one person (0.17 points each)
> ccexplore: "NaOH"
> Minim: "namida"
> Timballisto: "Insane Steve"


11. Pick a whole number between 1 and 25. (Highest number = least points)

A lot of people went for a "pick high numbers so it's hopefully safer" approach here. So, here's the breakdown of what numbers were picked:

22: Minim, NaOH - 0 points
21: namida - 0.6 points
18: grams88 - 0.8 points
17: 607 - 1 point
14: Simon - 1.2 points
6: Akseli, geoo - 0 points
4: Nepster - 1.8 points
1: ccexplore, Timballisto - 0 points


12. Pick a whole number between 1 and 25. (Lowest number = least points)

Some of the "pick low-scoring but safer" numbers strategy still appeared here, but people seemed to be a bit more daring this time around. Interestingly, the 5 lowest answers are the same people in the same order as had the 5 highest answers on question 11, even with a collision between the same two who collided. The same is also true for the single highest number.

4: Minim, NaOH - 0 points
7: namida - 0.6 points
11: grams88 - 0.8 points
17: 607 - 1 point
18: Akseli - 1.2 points
19: Nepster - 1.4 points
20: Simon - 1.6 points
24: geoo - 1.8 points
25: ccexplore, Timballisto - 0 points


13. Guess how many numbers will have "collisions" in question 11 and 12 combined. (Feud scoring)

So back to regular feud-scoring for a moment, we had a bit of overlapping here...

0 collisions - 4 people (1 point)
> 607, Akseli, geoo, Nepster

2 collisions - 2 people (0.5 points)
> ccexplore, namida

5 collisions - 2 people (0.5 points)
> grams88, NaOH

Answers given by only one person (0.25 points each)
> Minim: 3 collisions
> Simon: 1 collision
> Timballisto: 4 collisions


14. Guess how many numbers will have "collisions" in question 11 and 12 combined. (Accuracy scoring)

And the final question - with the most accurate estimate getting 2 points, second most accurate getting 1 point, third most accurate getting 0.5 points, and everyone else missing out.

The correct answer was 5 collisions. These were on numbers 1, 6 and 22 in Question #11, and numbers 4 and 25 in Question #12.

Only one person got the answer exactly - geoo, who earns 2 points!

There were 3 people who guessed 6, and one person who guessed 4, who are all tied for 2nd place. Thus, the points for 2nd and 3rd places will be divided equally among these four people - that's 1.5 points, so 0.38 each (by the usual convention of rounding to 2 decimal places).

These were NaOH, Nepster and Timballisto guessing 6, and namida guessing 4.

Other people's guesses (which unfortunately did not earn them any points) were:
> 607: 11 collisions
> Akseli: 3 collisions
> ccexplore: 3 collisions
> grams88: 7 collisions
> Minim: 3 collisions
> Simon: 2 collisions





TOTAL SCORES

So with that out of the way, the only thing left to do is tally up the total scores. Our results are...

geoo - 13.30 points
Simon - 11.46 points
Nepster - 11.29 points
607 - 10.48 points
Akseli - 10.39 points
grams88 - 9.96 points
ccexplore - 8.33 points
namida - 8.27 points
Minim - 7.17 points
NaOH - 6.90 points
Timballisto - 6.37 points



Thank you for playing, and we look forward to your participation in the next round, which I will now sign onto #lix to see who's interested in hosting it.

[ccexplore]

Funny, I said I felt uninspired by the round, but now after reading through all the results I actually have more to say than I thought:

1) In rereading the question I kinda wonder why I didn't go for "pizza store". I did select "Pizza Hut" amongst other brand names as I believe it's more likely to be available internationally and the feud audience is somewhat spreaded out in where they live.
3) I suspect it may be due to that level being the only one mentioned by name anywhere on this forum, I think.  It's definitely how I wound up answering the question--I didn't even have a clue what the level looks like.
4) I'm rather curious what the outcome would've been if question #1 didn't exist.  It's now impossible to know unless the question is presented to a completely different audience who does not look at this forum (or at least this thread).
7) The Internet kinda made sure of that.  It's kinda sad actually that there's the saying now about how you know an Internet thread has completely devolved into a flame war once someone brings up Hitler.
9) I actually did wonder if XP might end up being a more popular answer simply due to the news (though to be fair, quite old news by now) surrounding Microsoft's unsuccessful "killing" of XP (I heard it's still around 20% even to this day?)  Anyway, this just begs for a similar question about Linux distros to be featured in a future round.
10) I goofed and forgot only Global moderators are mentioned by the question, rather than any moderator.

I'm curious what the Birthday Paradox would say about collision probabilities and whether geoo actually based his #14 answer on that.  Of course, technically it doesn't directly apply since people aren't selecting the numbers at random.

[namida]

I was actually going to say Kim Jong-Il for #7 myself, but (correctly) figured almost everyone else would say Hitler. xD (Kim Jong-Un just doesn't strike me as nearly as evil...)

[NaOH]

4. Not sure how I missed this one. o.0

8. Simon, Simon, how could you not answer "D"? 

[namida]

You actually had answers numbered 4 and 5 (and missed 6), but the answers quite clearly corresponded to questions 5 and 6, so I treated them as such.

If anyone's wanting to take the next one, PM me (on this account, not QuizMaster) or post in this topic.

[607]

I didn't know what venomous meant Else, I probably would've gone with snake
At first I wanted to do C++, but I was afraid people could also easily say C or C#, which are all different, even though the names are similar. And I thought Java could easily get some too. But alas.

[namida]

Still no one interested? If no one steps forward soon, I might run one more, but I'll definitely be wanting to pass it on after that.

[ccexplore]

Speaking of Hitler and the Internet:  http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/27/8298999/apple-hitler-china-letv-jia-yueting

Don't know anything about the Chinese company but kinda funny that Internet-Hitler came up two times already this week, without actually devolving into a flame war (though maybe it's more debatable in the ad case above).

[namida]

Yeesh. Not an Apple fan by any means, but that seems very excessive...

[Minim]

Still no one interested? If no one steps forward soon, I might run one more, but I'll definitely be wanting to pass it on after that.

I totally forgot about this after I posted the answers to that last round. I'm thinking about having a go as QM for the first time. Although what I think I'll do beforehand is PM the questions to one or two active users just to make sure the grammar is OK.

[Simon]

Sure, go for it. :-)

Here's the template quizmaster avatar. You can use that as-is, or you can edit your avatar in.



-- Simon

[Minim]

Thanks, Simon! I put my avatar in, so here's what it will look like.

[namida]

Okay, I sent you the Quizmaster password.

[Quizmaster]

With thanks to namida, the Quizmaster has returned for yet another round of Family Feud!

The Family Feud Music Special

1. Name a British rock group
2. Name a US girl group
3. Name an instrument frequently used as background music in horror films.
4. Name a Nursery rhyme
5. Name a song in the Lemmings game aside from the Can Can.
6. Name a Michael Jackson song.
7. Name a song that includes a number in the title (a number on its own is fine) and the person/band who sings it. (Only the number is involved in Feud scoring).
8. Name a Beethoven compsition.
9. You are writing a new song called "Rendezvous at the Mountain". Complete the first line of the first verse "I had a ..."

10. OK, you're composing a song and are playing the chords for the chorus. There are six viable chords to choose from, with four to be played altogether. The first chord is C and the last chord is G7. The second and third chords are of your choice, and the chords that you've chosen cannot match themselves. Here are the chords: C, Dm7, Em, F, G7 and Am.

How the scoring works:
The scoring for the second and third chords are separate feud scoring. In addition, you will be awarded two extra points if another player's chords match both of yours, and in the right order. You will be given one point for the same instance, but in the wrong order.

11. Time for a complete change of scenario! Each participant is a conductor in their own orchestra. Over an X period of days (Where X is the number of conductors involved) each conductor will take a turn to play their piece. In this musical composition there are three different solos; and each solo is played by a separate instrument in a separate order. The three instruments are the Trumpet, Violin and Piano.

How to answer:
Choose an order for the three instruments to be played.

How the scoring works:
The conductors play in order and the order is arranged alphabetically from A-Z with the conductor listed first alphabetically playing for a second time. If one conductor plays a unique order then they score 2 points. If the conductor plays an order identical to the previous conductor they'll score 0. In other situations 1 point is given to each conductor.

Good luck everyone, and may the best Musician win.

[namida]

Sent in my answers. Interesting concept; though I must say that Question 9 is very likely to give a completely different answer for everyone who enters...

[607]

How would you recommend getting the answers to the questions totalled? I heard someone mention Excel, but how would one go about using it to do such a thing?

[ccexplore]

If I recall, somewhere on this thread in one of the posts, someone attached an Excel spreadsheet set up with formulas to help with calculating the score for standing feud-scoring questions, and of course for adding up each player's scores for the grand total (that part is like the most basic thing you can do with a spreadsheet).  It won't help with questions that have their own special scoring rules, though of course you might be able to set up your own formulas for those too.

[Clam]

The spreadsheet's been used a few times, but there isn't a blank template AFAIK. Basically, COUNTIF is your friend

This round used the Feud scoring spreadsheet for the first time. That was quite a complicated round (but aren't they all? ) but it gives you an idea of what you can do. For non-standard questions, if all else fails you can always just calculate the scores for a question elsewhere and type them in.

[Quizmaster]

So far, only six participants have submitted their answers. The Quizmaster advises everyone who hasn't participated in this round to submit their answers within the next 24 hours! In other words the deadline is 2015-04-03 at 07:00 UTC. Thank you very much.

[namida]

That's not even a week after posting the questions, you know. If you're going to close it that soon, I'd suggest at least giving more than 24 hours notice. Up to you though.

[Quizmaster]

OK then. I'll postpone the deadline by exactly 2 days later. I understand now that some users may still be at work during this time. So the deadline is Sunday morning UTC for two good reasons: A, so that users have the weekend available and B, so that the round takes up more than a week.

[Quizmaster]

Family Feud Musical Special answers

OK musicians. Have you hit the high notes this week? Let's take a look...

1. Name a British rock group
Beatles (607, Akseli, geoo, Minim, NaOH) (1 point)
Oasis (namida) (0.2 points)
Rolling Stones (Simon) (0.2 points)

2. Name a US girl group
Pussycat Dolls (Akseli, Minim) (1 point)
1 Girl Nation (geoo) (0.5 points)
Destiny's Child (namida) (0.5 points)
Bangles (NaOH) (0.5 points)
TLC (Simon) (0.5 points)
Spice Girls (607) (0 points) Sorry, 607; but Spice Girls are from the UK.

3. Name an instrument frequently used as background music in horror films.
Violin (geoo, Minim, NaOH) (1 point)
Piano (607, Akseli) (0.67 points)
Synth (namida) (0.33 points)
Tuba (Simon) (0.33 points)

4. Name a Nursery rhyme
London Bridge is Falling Down (Akseli, Minim, namida) (1 point)
Ten Green Bottles (607, Simon) (0.67 points)
Mary Had a Laser Bat Little Lamb (geoo, NaOH) (0.67 points)

5. Name a song in the Lemmings game aside from the Can Can.
Coming round the Mountain (geoo, Minim, NaOH) (1 point)
London Bridge is Falling Down (Akseli, namida) (0.67 points)
Ten green Lemmings (607, Simon) (0.67 points)

6. Name a Michael Jackson song.
Thriller (607, Akseli, geoo, Minim, NaOH) (1 point)
Beat It (Simon) (0.2 points)
Billie Jean (namida) (0.2 points)

7. Name a song that includes a number in the title
One, by 3 Dog Night (607) (1 point)
One More Night by Phil Collins (Akseli) (1 point)
One way or Another by Blondie (Minim) (1 point)
Zero by the Smashing Pumpkins (geoo) (0.33 points)
21 Guns by Green Day (namida) (0.33 points)
Waltz #2 by Elliot Smith (NaOH) (0.33 points)
Ten Green Bottles (Simon) (0.33 points)


8. Name a Beethoven compsition.
Everyone gets 1 point for their answer except for Simon, who chose Symphony No 5 and thus gets 0.5 points.

As for everyone else:
Symphony No 9 (607, geoo)
Piano Sonata No. 14/Moonlight Sonata (Akseli, namida)
Fur Elise (Minim, NaOH)

9. You are writing a new song called "Rendezvous at the Mountain". Complete the first line of the first verse "I had a ..."
Rendezvous at the Mountain (607, Akseli, geoo, NaOH, and Simon) (1 point)
Girl (Minim) (0.2 points)
Pair of groups of lemmings (namida) (0.2 points)

That was a question that turned out to be very interesting indeed, because namida thought every other answer was different, but many of them decided to go for the title itself.

10. Composing a song and are playing the chords for the chorus.

Second Chord
F (Minim, NaOH, Simon) (1 point)
Dm7 (607, Akseli) (0.67 points)
C (geoo) (0.33 points)
Em (namida) (0.33 points)

Third Chord
Em (Akseli, Minim) (1 point)
G7 (geoo, namida) (1 point)
C (NaOH, Simon) (1 point)
F (607) (0.5 points)

Putting the chords together in order, NaOH and Simon's chords are exactly the same order, so they receive 2 extra points. Everyone else gets 0.

11. Time for a complete change of scenario! Each participant is a conductor in their own orchestra... Choose an order for the instruments to be played

Here's what we came up with
607: Violin, Trumpet, Piano (Day 1 and Day 8)
Akseli: Piano, Violin, Trumpet (Day 2, etc.)
geoo: Violin, Trumpet, Piano
Minim: Violin, Piano, Trumpet
namida: Violin, Trumpet, Piano
NaOH: Trumpet, Piano, Violin
Simon: Piano, Violin, Trumpet

Minim and NaOH get 2 points for playing a unique order. The rest of us get 1 point for playing an order identical to another player, but not immediately after anyone else's.

So here are the final scores!
13.5 (NaOH)
12.2 (Minim)
11.01 points (Akseli)
9.83 points (geoo)
9.4 points (Simon)
9.18 points (607)
6.76 points (namida)

We have a female winner! Congratulations NaOH!

[namida]

Generally, for feud-scoring questions, it's only based on the popularity of the answer, not whether it's factually correct (see the case of "Shark" being the response to "Name a venomous animal" in the previous feud). So, 607 should still have gotten 0.5 points on Question 2.
Question 3, you've scored NaOH twice; once for 1 point and once for 0.33 points. (EDIT: also seems you didn't list me... )

The Question 2 would put 607 ahead of Simon; Question 3 won't change NaOH being in first place.


Also, clearly, music is not my talent...

[607]

And once again, I accidentally answered a question with an answer that technically wasn't correct
I still should've gotten 0.5 points though, I think.

[607]

Could somebody tell me who did round 2 of this year's? I'd like to pm him for help, if he wants to help.
I'm learning Excel now, but I'm still having some problems with the robots python thing. (seems like many people on this forums are great with computers!)

[Simon]

Could somebody tell me who did round 2 of this year's? I'd like to pm him for help, if he wants to help.
I'm learning Excel now, but I'm still having some problems with the robots python thing. (seems like many people on this forums are great with computers!)

Second round was by geoo.

Since I don't know exactly what help you need with the spreadshet, here's the overall process.

• Fill out the excel form, such that it computes all scores correctly. The python script will only rearrange, not compute.
• Save excel sheet in .csv format, with comma , as separator.
• Have the python script post.py in the same folder as the csv file. Edit the script, find the line
  with open("somefilename.csv", 'r') as csvfile:
  and replace somefilename.csv with your filename.
• Open a shell, navigate to the dir, then run: python post.py > myoutput.txt

The script could be made a little easier for mouse pushers: #!python, take first argument as filename, and output to something like firstargument-results.txt. Then, they could drag a csv file onto the script icon.

-- Simon

[geoo]

Not that it changes anything, but I answered Beatles for Q1, probably somebody else with Rolling Stones.

I was tempted to go with Spice Girls too, but then I looked it up to see they were British. Shouldn't have looked up...
Yeah 607 should get his 0.5 points.

Re: my python script: note that you need to have python installed in order to run it, and then you need to run it via commandline (cmd).

[grams88]

Welldone to yourself Naoh for winning.

For the question that mentioned (Mention a song that contains a number in the title) I bet Minim was thinking about the lemmings level that made that reference to the Blondie song, (One way or Another)

I liked the reference in oh no more lemmings, the very first level in Havoc was tubular lemmings which referenced one of my favourite music of all time.

I remember doing spreadsheets back in college and it took me a long time how to figure out how to highlight certain cells that were not next to each other. I feel silly admitting that but eventually I found out as you had to hold down the (Ctrl button) to highlight other cells.

[NaOH]

Hooray, I'm glad I can break up the winning streaks of some certain other members.

Question 11 seemed a little overbalanced points-wise, although it would seem it didn't affect the final outcomes at all. (Had Minim and I received 1 point instead of 2, the order would be the same.) My intuition was that nobody would pick trumpet for the first solo, I'm not sure if I was just lucky or really on to something there.

Question 10: did anybody else play the chords to see what sounded good? I picked C and F because (C,F,G) are by far the most overused chords in the key of C. There are many, many pop songs which only have those chords.

[Quizmaster]

Alright, well, I guess we need to start another round! So, I quite like the previous idea of going for a certain theme, so I'm going to stick with that, and make this one gaming-themed! (I'm too lazy to change the avatar, though. xD)
So, without further ado, here's our questions! And I'll try to make them a bit less open to a huge variety of answers this time.

This feud will resolve at (approximately) whatever point comes later - one week from posting it, or 48 hours without any new answers being received.

Standard Scoring

1. Name a handheld console that is not made by Nintendo.
2. Name a digital download provider of video games.
3. Name a gaming platform for which the games generally are on DVD discs.
4. Name a series of RPG games.
5. Name a series of first-person shooter games.
6. Name a company that formerly made consoles but does not anymore.
7. Name an IRS game that is not in the Lemmings series. (EDIT: IRS basically means "Lemmings-like")
8. Name a game / series primarily based around music.
9. Name a game in the Lemmings series other than the original Lemmings itself.
10. Name a non-directional button you might find on a console controller.

Non-Standard Scoring

11. You are developing a game for a Playstation system. You want to add a cheat code that does... something awesome; what it does is not important here. The code is to be four buttons long, using only the X, Square, Triangle and Circle buttons. You may use the same button more than once.

Scoring:
- For each position where no one else picked the same button as you, you gain 0.5 points.
- If any button appears twice in your code, you lose 0.25 points. (If you have two buttons that both appear twice, eg. if your code is X, Square, X, Square, you lose 0.5)
- If any button appears three times in your code, you lose 0.75 points. (This is instead of, not in addition to, the penalty for it appearing twice.)
- If two (or more) people have three positions where both have the same button (eg: X, Square, Circle, Square; vs X, Triangle, Circle, Square), both lose 1 point.
- If two (or more) people have exactly the same code, both lose 2 points (instead of the three-same penalty, not as well as it).

** There is no extra penalty for having the same button four times; just the same as the penalty for having it three times.

12. Pick three guesses as to what codes you think other people might pick for question 11.

Scoring:
- If you match at least one code that someone else (not yourself) chose for question 11, you gain 1.5 points.
- For every additional guess that matches someone's code (whether it's the same code, if 2+ people picked it, or a different one), you gain another 0.25 points.

To clarify, one of your guesses may be the same as your code for Q11, but you don't gain points for guessing your own code - you'd only gain points for it if someone else also picked that code.



Good luck everyone!

EDIT: Fixed an example that didn't quite fit. No changes to the questions themselves though.

[Minim]

Submitted all my answers except for Q7. I never heard of an IRS game. I don't even understand what IRS means. I tried a Google search but couldn't find anything. Could someone please give me an example to help me out?

[Simon]

IRS = Interactive Rodent Simulation = a game like Lemmings.

The term is extremely rare; basically only this forum uses it, and the 1994 DOS game Hamsters.

(Current feud is by namida, he hasn't changed the avatar.)

-- Simon

[Minim]

Thanks for your help, Simon! Initially my first Google search came up with "The IRS Benefits Match-up game" from an American Jobs website. I also found that it stood for "Internal Revenue service" which I thought had no relation to video games anyway. I got completely lost.

[Quizmaster]

Where is everyone? We only have six people who've submitted answers so far... T_T

[607]

Where is everyone? We only have six people who've submitted answers so far... T_T

A reason for that might be that there are quite a few questions which require some research, instead of generic questions that anyone can answer. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but to some people that might be a problem.

[Quizmaster]

Normally under the "one week from open / 48 hours from last entry" the entries would be closed now, but I have a fair bit of other stuff to do today so I might leave this going until tomorrow.

Only had 7 entries so far, so hopefully also this means a few more come in.

EDIT: Okay, I'm scoring this up now. Already done the standard scoring questions, doing Q11 and Q12 now.

[Quizmaster]

Alright guys, it's time for the results! We've had some interesting answers here - and, a fair few factual mistakes, although as per previous rounds, it doesn't matter if the answer is factually incorrect; only how popular the answer is. Indeed, in one question, more than one person gave the same factually-incorrect answer.

Standard scoring questions

1. Name a handheld console that is not made by Nintendo.

Playstation Portable (PSP) - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, ccexplore, geoo, namida, NaOH, Simon

Playstation Vita - 2 people (0.33 points)
607, Ramon

Xbox - 1 person (0.17 points) <factual error>
Minim


2. Name a digital download provider of video games.

Steam - 8 people (1 point)
Akseli, ccexplore, geoo, Minim, namida, NaOH, Ramon, Simon

Amazon - 1 person (0.13 points)
607


3. Name a gaming platform for which the games generally are on DVD discs.

Playstation 2 - 3 people (1 point)
ccexplore, namida, Simon

Xbox 360 - 2 people (0.67 points)
607, NaOH

Playstation - 2 people (0.67 points) <factual error>
Akseli, Ramon

Xbox - 1 person (0.33 points)
Minim

Sega CD - 1 person (0.33 points) <factual error>
geoo
(In his defence, he did say he had no idea.)


4. Name a series of RPG games.

Final Fantasy - 6 people (1 point)
607, Akseli, ccexplore, namida, NaOH, Simon

Diablo - 1 person (0.17 points)
Ramon

The Elder Scrolls - 1 person (0.17 points)
Minim

Secret of Mana - 1 person (0.17 points)
geoo


5. Name a series of first-person shooter games.

As a side note, Akseli brought up that this exact question had occurred in a very recent past feud.

Call of Duty - 3 people (1 point)
607, Minim, namida

Halo - 3 people (1 point)
Akseli, ccexplore, Simon

Counterstrike - 1 person (0.33 points)
NaOH

Doom - 1 person (0.33 points)
geoo

Half-Life - 1 person (0.33 points)
Ramon


6. Name a company that formerly made consoles but does not anymore.

Sega - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, ccexplore, geoo, Minim, namida, Ramon

Atari - 2 people (0.33 points)
NaOH, Simon

Nintendo - 1 person (0.17 points) <factual error>
607


7. Name an IRS game that is not in the Lemmings series.

Lix - 6 people (1 point)
ccexplore, Minim, namida, NaOH, Ramon, Simon

Hamsters - 3 people (0.5 points)
607, Akseli, geoo


8. Name a game / series primarily based around music.

Dance Dance Revolution - 4 people (1 point)
607, namida, NaOH, Simon

Guitar Hero - 3 people (0.75 points)
Akseli, ccexplore, Ramon

Audiosurf - 1 person (0.25 points)
geoo

Rock Band - 1 person (0.25 points)
Minim


9. Name a game in the Lemmings series other than the original Lemmings itself.

Oh No! More Lemmings! - 7 people (1 point)
607, Akseli, ccexplore, Minim, namida, Ramon, Simon

Lemmings 2: The Tribes - 2 people (0.29 points)
geoo, NaOH


10. Name a non-directional button you might find on a console controller.

X - 5 people (1 point)
ccexplore, geoo, Minim, NaOH, Simon

Start - 2 people (0.4 points)
Akseli, namida

A - 1 person (0.2 points)
Ramon

Power - 1 person (0.2 points)
607
I wouldn't consider this a "factual error", as there are in a way consoles that have a power button on the controller.


Subtotals, for standard-scoring questions
ccexplore - 9.75
namida - 9.40
Simon - 9.33
Akseli - 8.32
Minim - 6.92
NaOH - 6.72
Ramon - 6.45
607 - 6.00
geoo - 5.87


Special scoring questions

11. You are developing a game for a Playstation system. You want to add a cheat code that does... something awesome; what it does is not important here. The code is to be four buttons long, using only the X, Square, Triangle and Circle buttons. You may use the same button more than once.

Codes:
607: X, Square, Triangle, Circle
Akseli: Square, Triangle, Circle, X
ccexplore: Triangle, Square, X, Circle
geoo: Square, Triangle, X, Circle
Minim: Square, Circle, Triangle, Circle
namida: Circle, Square, X, X
NaOH: Triangle, X, Square, Circle
Ramon: X, Square, Circle, Triangle
Simon: Square, X, Triangle, Circle

Score factors:

Positions where no one else has the same button (+0.5 points each):
> +0.5 to namida, for Circle in first position
> +0.5 to Minim, for Circle in second position
> +0.5 to NaOH, for Square in third position
> +0.5 to Ramon, for Triangle in fourth position

Having the same button twice in the code (-0.25 points per button per code):
> -0.25 to Minim, for two Circles (2nd and 4th)
> -0.25 to namida, for two Xs (3rd and 4th)

Having the same button three or four times in the code (-0.75 points per button per code):
> none

Having three of the same button in the same position as someone else's code:
> -1 each to Minim and Simon, for Square 1st + Triangle 3rd + Circle 4th

Having the exact same code as someone else:
> none

Overall scores:
Minim: -0.75
namida: +0.25
NaOH: +0.5
Ramon: +0.5
Simon: -1
All other participants neither gained nor lost points on this question.


12. Pick three guesses as to what codes you think other people might pick for question 11.

I've put everyone's guesses behind a spoiler tag, to save space. Click to expand if you want to see the guesses themself.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

607
Square Square Square Square
Circle Triangle Square X
Square Circle X Triangle

Akseli
X Circle Triangle Square
Circle Triangle Square X
Square X Circle Triangle

ccexplore
X Square Triangle Circle
Triangle X Square Circle
Square Circle X Triangle

geoo
X Square Triangle Circle
X X X X
Triangle X Circle Square

Minim
Triangle Triangle Square Square
X Square X Square
Circle Triangle X Circle

namida
X Square Triangle Circle
Circle Triangle Square X
X Triangle Circle Square

NaOH
X Square Circle Triangle
Square Circle X Triangle
Square X Triangle Circle

Ramon
X Square Triangle Circle
Square Triangle Circle X
Triangle Circle X Square

Simon
Circle Triangle Square X
Triangle Square Circle X
Square Circle X Triangle

ccexplore guessed two codes correctly; 607's and NaOH's (+1.75)
geoo guessed one code correctly; 607's (+1.5)
namida guessed one code correctly; 607's (+1.5)
NaOH guessed two codes correctly; Ramon's and Simon's (+1.75)
Ramon guessed two codes correctly; 607's and Akseli's (+1.75)

All other participants did not guess any codes correctly.

Total Scores

ccexplore - 11.50
namida - 11.15
NaOH - 9.87
Ramon - 8.70
Simon - 8.33
Akseli - 8.32
geoo - 7.37
Minim - 6.17
607 - 6.00

Thanks all of you for participating, come again!

[namida]

Xbox - 1 person (0.33 points)
Minim

I actually find it kind of interesting that this was a one-person answer, as it's the only game system I can think of that solely uses DVD discs for its games. Playstation 2 also has some games that are on CD discs (especially those released early in the PS2's life cycle), while Xbox 360 also has downloadable games. And PC has too many storage media to count. (Actually, I guess GameCube is also DVD only... is it?)

[Akseli]

Comments for the previous rounds:

Simon’s round
Proxima attended, this is rare.
#3. I was going with salt before I googled the definition of “spice”. The word "salt" fulfills the definition for Finnish word for “spice”.
#7. 1 for an average Finnish person, 7 for me and seemingly also 7 according to the majority feud players.
#8. Mr.K, möbius, Insane Steve, Giga, Timballisto, …
#9. I wouldn’t answer broom even yet, fist is an obvious answer.
#10. Awesome answer by Pieuw. I remember especially möbius giving entertaining answers in the past feuds, also.


namida’s first round

No answer given (0 points)
> NaOH

Quizmaster could have notified her immediately after getting the answers that there's something weird there.
Many easy questions in this round where (almost) everyone answered the same answer.


Minim’s round
#2. Yes, Spice Girls would have been an obvious non-US answer. Like already said by other people, there is no wrong answers in Family Feud, this is not a quiz. In rare cases there can be restrictions, like Mexico answer in my first round and question 8 of ccexplore’s round to make things clear.
#3. Having just watched John Carpenter’s classic Halloween…

Question 11 seemed a little overbalanced points-wise, although it would seem it didn't affect the final outcomes at all.

I know that this is just my opinion but I don’t care at all the non-standard scoring questions. Giving them lots of influence to the outcome is something I approve even less, but I know that there are people who like non-standard scoring questions, so it’s of course okay to have those in some (the most ) rounds. I see them just luck-based and mostly not interesting (a very rare exceptions are conga line and robot dance club questions).


namida’s second round

Where is everyone? We only have six people who've submitted answers so far... T_T

Hard questions, like you now noticed from the amount of factual errors. I could answer only like 3/10 questions immediately and there were some questions I didn’t even understand reading them the first time, like #2. After searching for some information this round was pretty fun, though.
#3. Yeah, I meant all the Playstations. Of course that would have been too inaccurate an answer.
#5. My round jinxed. Weird that some people changed their answers to some non-top answer from my round, also what’s with CoD?
#7. Simon’s post jinxed, even though Hamsters was not the top answer.
#8. A bit surprising top answer here. A big thumbs-up for Minim’s answer!

[namida]

#3. Yeah, I meant all the Playstations. Of course that would have been too inaccurate an answer.

Very inaccurate - the PS2 is the only one that uses DVDs (and as mentioned, even it doesn't always use them, but they are it's "primary" media). PS1 uses only CD-ROM, while PS3 and PS4 only use either blu-ray or downloadable.


Anyway, if anyone wants to take the next feud, drop me a PM.

[Simon]

I haven't thought at all how Hamsters was an IRS outside of the Lemmings series, when I explained how a non-Lemmings IRS coined the term "IRS". This violates the single rule I've made up for the feud myself: Don't blatantly discuss possible answers ahead of resolution.

The past rounds had a good chunk of unexpected (for me at least) top answers. This is what makes a good feud, you're both reasonably sure of your answers, and still excited about the resolution.

The need to goolge information, I agree it's nice to keep it small.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Second-best answers

The TV episodes of Family Feud ended with a two-person team quiz. Both had to answer the same feud questions. The second person was not allowed to repeat the first person's answer.

Let's play this. Each question today scores almost-normally, except that one possible answer per question is forbidden. If you give the forbidden answer, you score zero points on that question.

1. Name a color, except red.
2. Name a famous U.S. landmark, except the statue of liberty.
3. Name a website, except Lemmings Forums.
4. Name a platform/jump'n'run game or series, except Super Mario.
5. Name a dream job of little children, except firefighter.
6. Name a thing you can sit on, except chair.
7. Name a large animal, except elephant.
8. Name a tool from the do-it-yourself store, except hammer.
9. Name a frustrating piece of computer hardware, except printer.
10. Name a genre of TV programming, except quiz show.

That's it! This round ends Sunday, April 26th, UTC 20:00. Enjoy, and good luck!

-- Simon

[namida]

Interesting concept! Submitted my answers.

[607]

So... are you supposed to give a correct answer nobody else gave?

[namida]

It works like normal, except that each question has a prohibited answer (the ones listed with the questions). For example, if you were to answer "red" to question 1, you'd get 0 points, since "red" is the prohibited answer. Beyond that, you're still trying to get the most popular answer.

[Quizmaster]

Only 5 people this time! Some long-term regulars didn't play.

Always answer the feud when it opens, with pure gut-feeling answers. You can still amend later. ;-)

Interesting concept!

One of the best rounds ever!

Thanks!

1. Name a color, except red.

Green (1.00 points) - Simon, namida, geoo
Blue (0.67 points) - Akseli, 607

2. Name a famous U.S. landmark, except the statue of liberty.

Mount Rushmore (1.00 points) - Simon, Akseli, geoo, 607
Grand Canyon (0.25 points) - namida

3. Name a website, except Lemmings Forums.

Google (1.00 points) - Simon, namida, geoo, 607
Youtube (0.25 points) - Akseli

4. Name a platform/jump'n'run game or series, except Super Mario.

Sonic the Hedgehog (1.00 points) - Simon, Akseli, geoo, 607
Crash Bandicoot (0.25 points) - namida

5. Name a dream job of little children, except firefighter.

Policeman (1.00 points) - namida, Akseli, 607
Astronaut (0.67 points) - Simon, geoo

6. Name a thing you can sit on, except chair.

Sofa/Couch (1.00 points) - Akseli, geoo
Stool (0.50 points) - 607
Floor (0.50 points) - namida
Bed (0.50 points) - Simon

Sofa and couch, English Wikipedia believes them to be synonyms. Some other sites disagree, but there's never a clear-cut definition.

7. Name a large animal, except elephant.

Whale (1.00 points) - Simon, namida, geoo
Giraffe (0.33 points) - 607
Blue Whale (0.33 points) - Akseli

Blue Whale is a subclass.

8. Name a tool from the do-it-yourself store, except hammer.

Screwdriver (1.00 points) - Simon, Akseli
Wrench (0.50 points) - 607
Saw (0.50 points) - geoo
Drill (0.50 points) - namida

9. Name a frustrating piece of computer hardware, except printer.

Wifi transmitter (1.00 points) - geoo
Router (1.00 points) - Simon
Motherboard (1.00 points) - Akseli
Monitor (1.00 points) - 607
Modem (1.00 points) - namida

10. Name a genre of TV programming, except quiz show.

Sitcom (1.00 points) - namida, Akseli
News (0.50 points) - Simon
Documentary (0.50 points) - geoo
Comedy (0.50 points) - 607

I deem sitcom a subclass of comedy, even if it's much more prevalent than stand-up comedy, or entertainers' talk shows.

Total scores

1.   geoo, Simon (8.67)
3.   Akseli (8.25)
4.   namida, 607 (7.50)

It's been a very close game.

-- Simon

[namida]

Especially with such a small variety, there are some further answers I would've considered equivalent (since they're of a similar standard to "sofa" and "couch" which you did consider equivalent):

"Whale" / "Blue whale"
"Modem" / "Router" - I know from a purely technical point of view they're different things, but in average conversation they're often considered interchangable. To be perfeclty honest, I'm not even 100% sure myself what differentiates the two.
"Sitcom" / "Comedy"


While it goes without saying that I don't call all the shots here (except maybe on my rounds), I'd like to suggest for future rounds as a guideline (not nessecerially a hard-and-fast rule), "If you need to explain why you didn't consider two answers equivalent, first reconsider whether you really shouldn't treat them as equivalent'.


However, nitpicking aside, that was definitely a very interest concept for a round, it's a shame more people didn't enter. Perhaps we should try that concept again, but maybe with a longer entry period?

[Simon]

These things have influenced the scoring, right.

(Wifi transmitter = Router = Modem), I recognize how average people won't tell them all apart. Should the knowledge of average people influence the outcome? We can use average people's definitions of things, or instead the opinion of slightly more caring people like Wiki authors and Q&A site answerers, or instead the opinion of experts.

Nowadays, Modem and Router are often combined in one item of hardware. This is a good reason to lump them together.

(Blue Whale = Whale) would have made Akseli the single winner. When I entered this round, I thought about whether Blue Whale, or Whale, was better to put. The subclass rule is clear how they aren't equivalent.

Do you perceive a problem with definitions, or do you find the subclass rule an issue?

If you need to explain why you didn't consider two answers equivalent, first reconsider whether you really shouldn't treat them as equivalent.

This suggestion seems empty -- when the host explains a decision, they have made a nontrivial decision, and therefore have considered merging/not merging answers.  Do you suggest to treat more stuff equivalent in general?

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Nowadays, Modem and Router are often combined in one item of hardware. This is a good reason to lump them together.

Huh.  I guess I am a bit of a dinosaur then, as my cable modem and my WiFi router are two separate pieces of equipment.  Granted, they were obtained nearly 8-9 years ago so maybe things have changed.  Still, I have a hard time agreeing with treating the two as equivalent.  I mean, your average Joe probably thinks all tablets are iPads, I'm not sure that's good enough criteria for equivalence.

[namida]

Nowadays, Modem and Router are often combined in one item of hardware. This is a good reason to lump them together.

Huh.  I guess I am a bit of a dinosaur then, as my cable modem and my WiFi router are two separate pieces of equipment.  Granted, they were obtained nearly 8-9 years ago so maybe things have changed.  Still, I have a hard time agreeing with treating the two as equivalent.  I mean, your average Joe probably thinks all tablets are iPads, I'm not sure that's good enough criteria for equivalence.

The reverse would be true though (at least as far as I'm aware) - all iPads are tablets. So unless the question was, eg, "name a brand of tablet", I'd think they should both be considered under "Tablet". Of course, it's possible I may not think of this until someone points it out - and I'd say "should the results be changed after they've been announced to account for these kind of things' is a whole different issue too...

And indeed - while I believe seperate devices do still exist for those who prefer such a setup, generally these days cable/DSL modems and routers are a single piece of equipment, at least in home user setups (no idea what the professional/business setups are like).

[Simon]

The reverse would be true though (at least as far as I'm aware) - all iPads are tablets. So unless the question was, eg, "name a brand of tablet", I'd think they should both be considered under "Tablet".

This is in direct conflict with the subclass rule:

When all As are Bs, but not all Bs are As, then A and B are different feud answers.

As asked above, do you suggest to soften this rule? It's been like this since 2013 though. Or do you suggest coarsening word definitions (router/modem)?

The problem with losing the subclass rule: Answering "thing" to each question is then guaranteed to match every other answer.

-- Simon

[607]

Yeah, I honestly think it's good like this. If the question is where you would go to on vacation, "Europe" and "France" should never count as the same answer, for example.

[namida]

Personally, I'd think there's a bit of a difference, especially when the question doesn't specify how specific one should be. However, if that's what most people seem to think, then let's keep it as-is.

[Simon]

Whoever would like to host, they can get the quizmaster password from me or namida.

Alternatively, you can master a round of Zendo. If you think your rule is too easy, then it's just right.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Or would it make sense to wait a little given the puzzle hunt thing?

[grams88]

Looks like we had a shared win by both Simon and Geo in the last round of family feud. Welldone

I think Simon should host.

[namida]

I think Simon's done more feuds than everyone else combined, including the latest one. I'm sure he'd like to just participate in someone else's feud this time.

Why don't you give it a go?

[grams88]

I might leave it myself, I'm probably too busy with other things but could I nominate yourself to give it a go.

[namida]

I guess I could do another one if no one else shows interest soon.

[grams88]

Sorry about that Namida, I might take part in this one but I don't want to host.

[Quizmaster]

Alright then, I guess it's up to me to host another one.

For this round, I'm also going to experiment with changing things up a bit. Instead of a special non-standard scoring question or two; I'm going to have 10 standard questions and 5 "inverse Feud scoring" questions. The idea behind these is simple - the fewer people that choose the same answer as you, the higher you score, with a full 1 point being obtained if you have the least common answer. However, to avoid people picking obscure and irrelevant answers, on the inverse scoring questions you score no points if your answer is factually incorrect and/or blatantly disregards the question (eg: if the question is "Name a venomous animal that isn't a snake", you would get zero points if you answered "Shark" (factually incorrect) or "Snake" (disregarding the question)).

Entries for this round will close in one week, but I'll extend the deadline a bit if I'm still receiving new answers around that time. So, let's get into the questions...


Standard-scoring questions

1. Name an energy drink.
2. Name a meat substitute often used by vegetarians / vegans.
3. Name a fast food restaurant.
4. Name a brand of smartphone.
5. Name a product which generally cannot be purchased by people under a certain age.
6. Name a country in the Southern Hemisphere.
7. Name a territory of the United States that is not one of (or part of one of) the 50 states.
8. Name a Cartoon Network show.
9. Name a type of motor vehicle.
10. Name a dairy product.

Inverse-scoring questions

Remember: If you disregard the question or provide a factually incorrect answer, you get no points on these. That aside, you're trying to get the least popular answer. These questions have intentionally been designed to have very few valid answers; some have more than others of course.

11. Name a country which currently has (or is widely believed to currently have) nuclear weapons other than the United States or Russia.
12. Name a difficulty rating from Oh No! More Lemmings!.
13. Name a user who has hosted Lemmings Forums, other than namida.
14. Name a non-dwarf planet in our solar system.
15. Name a Lemmings clone that currently has a dedicated sub-forum on Lemmings Forums.

Good luck, and here's hoping the inverse scoring will turn out interesting!

EDIT: Rather than have nasty surprises when the entries close, I'll let anyone know if any of their inverse-scoring answers are invalid so that they have a chance to correct them. If nessecary, I'll extend the deadline to allow time for this.

[Minim]

Ah, so a mixture of Family Feud and Pointless this time. OK. I've submitted my answers.

[Quizmaster]

I'd just like to clarify, as one user seemed like they may have not quite understood it correctly:

The standard-scoring questions will be scored the same way as always in regards to question-ignoring or factually incorrect answers; ie: even if invalid, they'll still score solely based on popularity.
The "zero points for invalid answers" only applies to the inverse-scoring questions.

Also, to clarify some points about two of the inverse questions:

Q11 - countries that merely have access to them in wartime through nuclear sharing agreements do not count. Only those who have, or are believed to have, their own nukes, count.
Q13 - The previous forum doesn't have to be explicitly called "Lemmings Forums", but it doesn't count if it's a larger-subject forum run by an LF member that simply has a Lemmings subforum.



To further help avoid invalid answers, I'll note any of them here, as well as others that I consider likely to come up:

11
Iraq - Though they attempted to make them at one point, they've never actually posessed one. The allegation of them having WMDs was in relation to chemical and biological weapons, not nuclear.
Iran - Although they're believed to be seeking them, they aren't believed to actually have them.
Japan - See Paranuclear, aka "the Japan option".
South Africa - Although they posessed nukes at one point, they haven't done for a long time now.
Turkey - They don't have their own nukes, nor are they widely believed to have them; they're merely part of a nuclear-sharing agreement.

12

13
Garjen/Crane - Although the Garjen Software forums had a Lemmings subsection, it was not a dedicated Lemmings forums.
Simon - The user who gave this answer said that they misread the question; merely listing it here for completeness' sake.

14
Pluto - We're going to go with the offiical definitions here, and ignore debates on whether or not Pluto should be considered a regular planet.

15

General
"The (insert question here) that the least people pick" - Nice try, but "genericized" answers won't be accepted for obvious reasons. As much as I like the way this person was thinking...

[grams88]

Thanks for clarifying, that's me sent in my answers, looks like a lot of people might be putting in for this round.

[Quizmaster]

I'm going to end this one a bit earlier, since I'll be away for the next few days. I'll calculate the results now.

[Akseli]

Wait wait wait this is a quite short notice there, I'm submitting my answers immediately, take them to the results if you prefer so!

Edit: Answers sent.

[Quizmaster]

Argh! I actually had the results all typed up. But okay, I'll wait for your answers. Good luck!

[Quizmaster]

Okay, so, let's see the results!

Standard-Scoring Questions

1. Name an energy drink.

Red Bull - 5 people (1 point)
geoo, grams88, IchoTolot, namida, Nepster

Gatorade - 2 people (0.4 points)
NaOH, Simon

Battery - 1 person (0.2 points)
Akseli

Monster - 1 person (0.2 points)
Minim

2. Name a meat substitute often used by vegetarians / vegans.

Tofu - 7 people (1 point)
geoo, grams88, IchoTolot, namida, NaOH, Nepster, Simon

Fish - 1 person (0.14 points)
Akseli

Quorn - 1 person (0.14 points)
Minim

3. Name a fast food restaurant.

Every entrant answered "McDonalds" to this one and thus got 1 point each.

4. Name a brand of smartphone.

I have counted "Apple" and "iPhone" as equivalent for this question, as the entrants are quite obviously referring to the same thing. However, I have NOT counted "Android" and "Samsung" as equivalent, as Samsung is not even nearly the only manufacturer of Android phones. (I would have counted, say, "Samsung" and "Galaxy" as equivalent.)

Apple / iPhone - 6 people (1 point)
grams88, IchoTolot, Minim, NaOH, Nepster, Simon

Samsung - 2 people (0.33 points)
Akseli, namida

Android - 1 person (0.17 points)
geoo

5. Name a product which generally cannot be purchased by people under a certain age.

Every entrant answered "Alcohol" to this one and thus got 1 point each.

6. Name a country in the Southern Hemisphere.

New Zealand - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, geoo, grams88, Minim, Nepster, Simon

Australia - 2 people (0.33 points)
namida, NaOH

South Africa - 1 person (0.17 points)
IchoTolot

7. Name a territory of the United States that is not one of (or part of one of) the 50 states.

Puerto Rico - 4 people (1 point)
Akseli, geoo, NaOH, Nepster

US Virgin Islands - 2 people (0.5 points)
grams88, Minim

Guantanamo - 1 person (0.25 points)
IchoTolot

Washington DC - 1 person (0.25 points)
namida

American Samoa - 1 person (0.25 points)
Simon

8. Name a Cartoon Network show.

The Powerpuff Girls - 2 people (1 point)
Akseli, IchoTolot

Other answers - 1 person each (0.5 points)
geoo: Tom & Jerry
grams88: Ed Edd & Eddy
Minim: Ben 10
namida: Adventure Time
NaOH: Dexter's Lab
Nepster: Pokemon
Simon: Regular Show

9. Name a type of motor vehicle.

Everyone answered "Car" to this one, so got 1 point each.

10. Name a dairy product.

Milk - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, geoo, Minim, namida, NaOH, Nepster

Cheese - 3 people (0.5 points)
grams88, IchoTolot, Simon



Total score for standard-scoring questions

Nepster - 9.50
geoo - 8.67
grams88 - 8.5
NaOH - 8.23
IchoTolot - 7.92
Akseli - 7.67
Simon - 7.65
namida - 7.41
Minim - 7.34

Inverse-Scoring Questions

Just for reference, anyone who gave an invalid answer was informed of such and given an opportunity to submit a different answer. All such entrants had replied (though in some cases without giving a new answer), so I take this as confirmation that they're aware their answer wasn't accepted. And for the record, no points have been deducted for initially giving an invalid answer then later changing to a valid one - only the final answer has been taken into account.

I will be listing these from highest scoring downwards, not most popular downwards. I will also list all the answers that I would've accepted as valid.

11. Name a country which currently has (or is widely believed to currently have) nuclear weapons other than the United States or Russia.

Acceptable answers: United Kingdom, China, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Israel

Unique Answers - 1 point each
Minim: China
namida: France

India - 2 people (0.67 points each)
Akseli, Simon

Pakistan - 2 people (0.67 points each)
IchoTolot, Nepster

United Kingdom - 3 people (0.33 points each)
geoo, grams88, NaOH

12. Name a difficulty rating from Oh No! More Lemmings!.

Acceptable answers: Tame, Crazy, Wild, Wicked, Havoc

Unique Answers - 1 point each
geoo: Crazy
grams88: Tame

Wicked - 2 people (0.67 points each)
Akseli, IchoTolot

Havoc - 2 people (0.67 points each)
NaOH, Simon

Wild - 3 people (0.33 points each)
Minim, namida, Nepster

13. Name a user who has hosted Lemmings Forums, other than namida.

Acceptable answers: Adam, Mr. K, LoftyD (Lemmings Heaven), Andi; any other answer that the user could back up their claim.

Rejected answers - 0 points
IchoTolot: Lacktardo

Unique Answers - 1 point each
Minim: Mr. K
Simon: Mindless (see quote below for justification for this answer)

Andi - 2 people (0.5 points each)
geoo, namida

Adam - 4 people (0.25 points each)
Akseli, grams88, NaOH, Nepster

13. Mindless, playing around with hosting it in December 2014: http://www.camanis.net/lemmings/forums/

14. Name a non-dwarf planet in our solar system.

Acceptable Answers: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune

Unique Answers - 1 point each
Akseli: Mercury
geoo: Jupiter
IchoTolot: Uranus
Nepster: Earth

Mars - 2 people (0.67 points)
grams88, Simon

Neptune - 3 people (0.33 points)
Minim, namida, NaOH

15. Name a Lemmings clone that currently has a dedicated sub-forum on Lemmings Forums.

Acceptable Answers: Lix, NeoLemmix, SuperLemmini

NeoLemmix - 2 people (1 point)
geoo, Minim

Lix - 3 people (0.67 points)
grams88, Nepster, Simon

SuperLemmini - 4 people (0.33 points)
Akseli, IchoTolot, namida, NaOH



Total score for inverse-scoring questions

geoo - 4.08
Simon - 3.68
Minim - 3.66
Akseli, grams88, Nepster - 2.92
namida - 2.74
IchoTolot - 2.67
NaOH - 1.91

Grand Total Scores

geoo - 12.75
Nepster - 12.42
grams88 - 11.42
Simon - 11.33
Minim - 11.00
Akseli, IchoTolot - 10.59
namida - 10.15
NaOH - 10.14





Thanks for playing everyone, and looking forward to seeing what the next host comes up with! If you'd like to host the next one, contact Simon or namida for the QuizMaster password (or in the event you're unable to contact them, ask any admin for assistance in resetting it).

[namida]

5. Name a product which generally cannot be purchased by people under a certain age.

Every entrant answered "Alcohol" to this one and thus got 1 point each.

I'm glad I went with alcohol on this one. I nearly answered tobacco.

6. Name a country in the Southern Hemisphere.

New Zealand - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, geoo, grams88, Minim, Nepster, Simon

Australia - 2 people (0.33 points)
namida, NaOH

South Africa - 1 person (0.17 points)
IchoTolot

Some mentioned that Clam being from New Zealand inspired them to answer this. I completely overlooked that people might be biased by the fact that Clam (and myself, for that matter!) are from NZ, and thought Australia would be a more obvious answer. Damn...

14. Name a non-dwarf planet in our solar system.

Acceptable Answers: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune

Unique Answers - 1 point each
Akseli: Mercury
geoo: Jupiter
IchoTolot: Uranus
Nepster: Earth

Mars - 2 people (0.67 points)
grams88, Simon

Neptune - 3 people (0.33 points)
Minim, namida, NaOH

I had no idea Neptune was that liked. Or disliked. Whatever.

[607]

Aw, why such short notice? I was planning to do it tonight
I hope you'll do another one of these inverse question scoring things, as I'd like to participate in it as well.

[namida]

It'll be up to whoever hosts the next round.

[Simon]

Nice one, thanks.

Picking unique things is super hard. You have to guess what level of obscurity is appropriate each time anew.

-- Simon

[geoo]

The round of least popular is quite tricky and probably also relies on quite a bit of luck (like the usual non-feud questions). You have a limited pool of answers, and estimates how popular each of the answers would normally be (standard-feud scoring), and then you have to estimate how many people use reverse or reverse-reverse psychology.
I don't like this kind of question as much as the regular one, even though apparently I scored best on those.

I initially went with Adventure time on Q8, but then I suspected most people would probably just go for cartoon shows being unaware of "Cartoon Network" specifically, so I just went for a classic show. Guess picking a classic was a bad idea, as all the other answers are quite recent shows.

I have counted "Apple" and "iPhone" as equivalent for this question, as the entrants are quite obviously referring to the same thing. However, I have NOT counted "Android" and "Samsung" as equivalent, as Samsung is not even nearly the only manufacturer of Android phones. (I would have counted, say, "Samsung" and "Galaxy" as equivalent.)

Apple / iPhone - 6 people (1 point)
grams88, IchoTolot, Minim, NaOH, Nepster, Simon

And so Apple's tyrannic policy of making everything as closed and inaccessible as possible wins again here. If Google were as bad then Samsung and Android would count for the same. The good ones always finish last.

[Akseli]

Simon’s round
Shame on people for not joining this great round. This probably just indicates interest in Feud starting to wane a bit in our community (?).
#1 – Lemmings theme managed to skew the results seemingly, I guess that if there had been more people giving their answers, blue would’ve been an obvious top answer.
#4 – This is also a question that I would have used in my next round!
#7 – You did correct not merging blue whale and whale, I would never have merged those answers. I pondered quite a while which one I’d answer, but ended up thinking that maybe there were people who would have answered the biggest animal species there exist.

namida’s round
Another good round! I submitted my answers in the last minute and therefore didn’t think for them almost at all. However, now afterwards thinking I probably wouldn’t have answered the top answers I missed if I had thought for longer, tofu and Apple didn't cross my mind.
#8 – Yet another question that I was thinking to use in my round! I don’t feel like hosting anymore. I’m a bit surprised about the outcome, I thought that there were really two considerable contenders in this one, The Powerpuff Girls and Adventure Time. Adventure Time is of course a successful modern show, but in the end I was confident to answer The Powerpuff Girls because it’s still more classic and it aired when most forumers were children.
#13 – I didn’t even think for others than Adam, and apparently all newer users answered this. I was thinking if it made sense to list the valid answers for each question for players (because of this certain question), I don’t know.

[Quizmaster]

Well then, since there seems to be no interest from anyone else in holding the next round, I shall do another one! And I expect not to have any interruptions requiring a quick close this time, so I'll be sure to give some notice before the entries end.

Please note that I don't want to end up hosting every round - so I will definitely want to pass this on to someone else for the next round.

Anyway, I'm going to go with the same idea again - 10 normal questions and 5 inverse scoring ones.

Standard Scoring Questions
1. Name a utensil used for eating.
2. Name a type of video input connector you might find on a TV.
3. Name a Linux distribution.
4. Name a natural hair color.
5. Name an input device on a PC.
6. Name a web browser.
7. Name an animal that has a shell.
8. Name a vehicle that can travel on water.
9. Name a potentially deadly weapon.
10. Name one of the first 7 levels in original Lemmings.

Inverse Scoring Questions

As in the last round, an answer that is factually incorrect or outright disregards the question will get zero points. However, you will be notified of such answers (and as such have an opportunity to change them) before entries close. You will not lose points for initially submitting an invalid answer, as long as your final answer is valid.

11. Name a country in the former Soviet Union.
12. Name a final level of a single-player rank in any official, non-demo version of original Lemmings. *
13. Name one of the five main family members on The Simpsons.
14. Name a book in the Harry Potter series.
15. Name a current global moderator (not an administrator) on this website.

* For the avoidance of doubt, versions that include both Orig and OhNo are acceptable, but only the Orig levels.


Good luck, everyone!


Invalid answers: (If a question isn't listed, there haven't been any yet)

Question 11
Poland - Although Poland was under soviet control for some time, it was never fully part of the Soviet Union.

Question 12
Anger, Love, Hate (Lemmings Revolution) - Invalid because Lemmings Revolution is not original Lemmings.

Question 15
geoo - geoo is an administrator.
namida, ccexplore - No one actually gave these answers (at least not yet), but same thing - they're administrators, not moderators.
Prob Lem - Again, no one gave this answer yet (it's just a pre-emptive thing); anyway Prob Lem was a moderator for a short time, but only to assist with the importing of old content and didn't wish to retain that position after that was finished.

[Quizmaster]

Just wanted to say; this round looks like it's going to be far more successful! 10 entries already; and the inverse questions seem to have been better-chosen this time, as among those 10 entries there's only been 3 invalid answers, one of which almost certianly just comes from hastily answering the question rather than the question being difficult.

[Proxima]

I could do the next round

[namida]

Someone else also volunteered to do it, though IIRC they said "if no one else volunteers". I'll talk to both of you about it when this round closes.

[grams88]

Oh man my mouse has a mind of its own as it shakes on its own, crazy. My dad spilt cider on our old mouse so we had to use another mouse.

That's good to see that we have a lot of people contributing, I think there will be way more than ten of us contributing. Maybe some rounds will be popular than other rounds, just depends on what kind of mood we are in whether or not to play.  Got to be careful not to give anything away but I tried a certain tactic that may or may not work.

Whoever wins this round deserves a clap and a bottle of whisky.

[Quizmaster]

Okay well, there haven't been any more new entries in a couple of days now. So, I'll wrap this round up in about 48 hours. Just giving plenty of warning for anyone who may have wanted to get answers in but hasn't done so yet.

[Quizmaster]

Oops, completely forgot about this. I guess I should wrap it up soon... I'll give it a few hours in case there's any people who forgot about getting their answers in, then I'll wrap it up.

EDIT: Okay, entries are closed now. I'm totalling up the scores.

[Quizmaster]

So, it's time to see our results!

Standard-Scoring Questions

1. Name a utensil used for eating.

Fork - 7 people (1 point)
Akseli, Clam, geoo, IchoTolot, namida, NaOH, Simon

Spoon - 3 people (0.43 points)
grams88, Minim, Nepster

2. Name a type of video input connector you might find on a TV.

HDMI - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, grams88, IchoTolot, namida, NaOH, Simon

VGA - 3 people (0.5 points)
geoo, Minim, Nepster

AV - 1 person (0.17 points)
Clam

3. Name a Linux distribution.

Ubuntu - 8 people (1 point)
Akseli, Clam, geoo, IchoTolot, Minim, namida, NaOH, Nepster

64 Studio ( ) - 1 person (0.13 points)
grams88

Debian - 1 person (0.13 points)
Simon

4. Name a natural hair color.

Blonde - 5 people (1 point)
Clam, grams88, IchoTolot, Minim, Simon

Black - 3 people (0.6 points)
Akseli, geoo, NaOH

Brown - 2 people (0.4 points)
namida, Nepster

5. Name an input device on a PC.

Keyboard - 5 people (1 point)
Akseli, Clam, grams88, NaOH, Nepster

Mouse - 4 people (0.8 points)
geoo, Minim, namida, Simon

CD - 1 person (0.2 points)
IchoTolot

6. Name a web browser.
For this question, I considered "Google" and "Chrome" to be equivalent, as I would assume that to someone who isn't aware of the distinction, when they say "Google" they're refering to Chrome in this context.

Firefox - 6 people (1 point)
Akseli, geoo, IchoTolot, NaOH, Nepster, Simon

Chrome - 3 people (0.5 points)
Clam, Minim, namida

Internet Explorer - 1 person (0.17 points)
grams88

7. Name an animal that has a shell.

Clam - 5 people (1 point)
Akseli, Clam, geoo, Nepster, Simon

Snail - 3 people (0.6 points)
grams88, Minim, NaOH

Turtle - 2 people (0.4 points)
IchoTolot, namida

8. Name a vehicle that can travel on water.

Boat - 7 people (1 point)
Akseli, geoo, grams88, Minim, namida, NaOH, Nepster

Ship - 2 people (0.29 points)
Clam, Simon

Hovercraft - 1 person (0.14 points)
IchoTolot

9. Name a potentially deadly weapon.
For this one, I have treated "nuke" and "nuclear bomb" as equivalent. I don't think I need to explain why.

Gun - 7 people (1 point)
Akseli, Clam, geoo, grams88, IchoTolot, namida, Nepster

Nuclear Bomb - 2 people (0.29 points)
Minim, Simon

Sword - 1 person (0.14 points)
NaOH

10. Name one of the first 7 levels in original Lemmings.

Everyone answered "Just Dig!" to this one. 1 point each.

Total scores for standard-scoring questions

Akseli - 9.60
geoo - 8.90
NaOH - 8.34
Nepster - 8.33
namida - 8.10
Clam - 7.96
IchoTolot - 7.74
Simon - 7.51
grams88 - 7.33
Minim - 7.12

Inverse-Scoring Questions

As with last time, the answers will be ordered from highest scoring to lowest scoring; not most popular to least popular.

11. Name a country in the former Soviet Union.

Unique answers (1 point each)
Clam: Estonia
Simon: Kazakhstan

Moldova - 2 people (0.66 points each)
IchoTolot, namida

Tajikistan - 3 people (0.33 points each)
Akseli, geoo, NaOH

Russia - 3 people (0.33 points each)
grams88, Minim, Nepster

Acceptable answers: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan

12. Name a final level of a single-player rank in any official, non-demo version of original Lemmings.

Unique answers (1 point each)
Minim: Lock Up Your Lemmings <most versions, Fun 30>

We All Fall Down <most versions, Taxing 30> - 2 people (0.66 points)
Akseli, Clam

Sega Five <Sega Master System, Taxing 30> - 2 people (0.66 points)
geoo, namida

Rendezvous at the Mountain <most versions, Mayhem 30> - 2 people (0.66 points)
grams88, NaOH

Don't Follow Me <Sega Genesis, Tricky 30> - 3 people (0.33 points)
IchoTolot, Nepster, Simon

Acceptable answers: Too many to list.

13. Name one of the five main family members on The Simpsons.

Unique answers (1 point each)
Akseli: Marge Simpson

Lisa Simpson - 2 people (0.66 points)
Clam, NaOH

Maggie Simpson - 2 people (0.66 points)
Minim, Nepster

Bart Simpson - 2 people (0.66 points)
namida, Simon

Homer Simpson - 3 people (0.33 points)
geoo, grams88, IchoTolot

Acceptable answers: Homer Simpson, Bart Simpson, Lisa Simpson, Marge Simpson, Maggie Simpson (of course, I didn't require people actually include the "Simpson" surname - most didn't)

14. Name a book in the Harry Potter series.

I accepted answers along the lines of "the first one" etc for this. I didn't count them as seperate answers from someone who actually named (using the same example) the first book in the series, though.

Unique answers (1 point each)
grams88: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
namida: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Nepster: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 2 people (0.66 points)
Akseli, NaOH

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 2 people (0.66 points)
geoo, IchoTolot

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - 3 people (0.33 points)
Clam, Minim, Simon

Acceptable answers: Harry Potter and the... ...Philosopher's Stone (/ Sorcerer's Stone), ...Chamber of Secrets, ...Prisoner of Azkaban, ...Goblet of Fire, ...Order of the Phoenix, ...Half-Blood Prince, ...Deathly Hallows.

15. Name a current global moderator (not an administrator) on this website.

Clam - 3 people (1 point)
Clam, NaOH, Simon

Akseli - 7 people (0.43 points)
Akseli, geoo, grams88, IchoTolot, Minim, namida, Nepster

Acceptable answers: Akseli, Clam

Total scores for inverse-scoring questions

Clam - 3.65
namida - 3.41
Simon - 3.32
NaOH - 3.31
Akseli - 3.08
grams88, Minim, Nepster - 2.75
geoo, IchoTolot - 2.41

Total Scores

Akseli - 12.68
NaOH - 11.65
Clam - 11.61
namida - 11.51
geoo - 11.31
Nepster - 11.08
Simon - 10.83
IchoTolot - 10.15
grams88 - 10.08
Minim - 9.87



Another great round! Hope you enjoyed it; I shall pass the Quizmaster role onto someone else now.

[namida]

I'd like to mention a big (and non-serious) "screw you" to geoo; who chose Sega Five just so I wouldn't get a full point in that question. (The submission PM literally said something along the lines of "Sega Five, to stop namida getting a full point" - complete with another struck-out level name before it.) Although this was still a safer bet than what I was going to go with otherwise - We All Fall Down, which was chosen by two other people.

Also, damn at Firefox being the most popular browser answer! It was the first thought for me too (since it's what I use xD), but I chose Chrome because I thought it would be more popular.

Anyway, I've contacted the first person who asked about hosting the next round to see if they still want to; if they don't, I'll contact the other person who asked (I'm too lazy to check who did/didn't say it publicly, hence the avoidance of names here).

[IchoTolot]

Omg   "input device" not sth you put in a computer   Brainslug hit me hard there! I should have read this question a bit more carefully

[grams88]

That was an interesting round, Welldone to Akseli for winning that one.

It looks like the british have not done too well in this round. Still as always very close scores between many of us. Now I had to be very careful with the (Name a vehicle that can travel on water) as I ws thinking ship at first then I realised that boat might be a better answer. I remember an episode from columbo where columbo was talking about a ship but kept on calling it a boat and the captain corrected him by saying it's not a boat, it's a ship. (Good question)

 The input device question, you had to think what one would be more popular the (Mouse or the keyboard). Could of went either way to be honest.

I like the inverse questions where you have to think of something that is not going to be picked a lot. Someone ould do a full round where every question is an inverse one.

[Quizmaster]

Welcome to a new round of Family Feud!

Almost standard scoring questions:
The first 10 questions score almost normally, except that one possible answer per question is explicitely forbidden. If you give the forbidden answer, you score zero points on that question.

1. Name a popular forum game, except Family Feud.
2. Name a Nobel Prize winner, except Albert Einstein.
3. Name the title of a fantasy novel, except Harry Potter.
4. Name a roman emperor, except Gaius Julius Caesar.
5. Name a music key, except C-major.
6. Name a sport that does not use a ball, except chess.
7. Name a politician, except Barack Obama.
8. Name a flower, except rose.
9. Name a lemmings smiley, except .
10. Guess who is hosting this round of Family Feud, except Quizmaster.

Inverse scoring questions:
As in the last two rounds, the goal is to give the least popular answer, but an answer that is factually incorrect or outright disregards the question will get zero points. However, you will be notified of such answers and have the opportunity to change them.

11. Name one of the five fingers on a hand.
12. Name a white chess piece.
13. Name a prime number less than 20.
14. Name one of the cardinal directions.
15. Name one of the tribes in Lemmings 2.

This round ends Sunday, June 7th. The deadline will be extended if new answers are still handed in around that time. Have fun and good luck!

@Proxima: After resolving this round, I will send you the password for the Quizmaster account to host the next round.

[Proxima]

4. Name a roman emperor, except Caesar.

Caesar was a title, not the name of any emperor.

[Quizmaster]

Thanks Proxima. I changed it to Gaius Julius Caesar. I am well aware of the fact, that this is still a factually incorrect answer. However this is rather irrelevant for Family Feud purposes.

[ccexplore]

Without giving away too much, some people (not just the QuizMaster or namida who of course also knows directly being the previous QuizMaster to pass on the password) may have an arguable advantage on question #10, at least in terms of determining the "true" answer.  Of course the scoring demands the most popular answer rather than the true answer, but the true answer might still potentially serve as a decent "safe answer" that is only available to certain people and may therefore confer a minor advantage.  Then again, it is only an advantage if enough people know what I'm talking about and believes enough of other people would make use of that answer, so maybe it's not even that safe of an answer (in the same way that answering a feud question in previous rounds based on QuizMaster's identity had not proven to be a reliably strategy).

Anyhow, on balance I won't advocate throwing away the question (if nothing else, varying performances on other questions will likely overwhelm whatever minor advantages are available for question #10), but I'm definitely curious to see how things do end up turning out with that question.

[namida]

Well, I didn't feel the actual identity of them was the best answer to use, so... make what you will of that.

[ccexplore]

Is the current round ready to be resolved?

[Quizmaster]

Yes it is ready to be resolved, but your Quizmaster is very busy right now. Expect the results tomorrow.

[Quizmaster]

(Almost) Standard-Scoring Questions

1. Name a popular forum game, except Family Feud.
Zendo - 9 people (1 point)
  607, Akseli, bsmith, ccexplore, clam, geoo, Nepster, Proxima, Simon

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer - 1 person (0.11 points)
  namida

Explanation: The answers Zendo and Zendo/Eleusis are counted as equivalent. Zendo and Eleusis have (slightly) different rules, but it is clear from the Lemmings forums context, that both answers point to the same actual game.

2. Name a Nobel Prize winner, except Albert Einstein.
Marie Curie - 4 people (1 point)
  bsmith, geoo, Nepster, Proxima

Nelson Mandela - 2 people (0.5 points)
  607, ccexplore

Niels Bohr - 1 person (0.25 points)
  Simon

Barack Obama - 1 person (0.25 points)
  namida

John Nash - 1 person (0.25 points)
  clam

Wilhelm Röntgen - 1 person (0.25 points)
  Akseli

3. Name the title of a fantasy novel, except Harry Potter.
Lord of the Rings - everyone (1 point)

4. Name a roman emperor, except Gaius Julius Caesar.
Augustus - 6 people (1 point)
  607, Akseli, ccexplore, clam, geoo, Simon

Nero - 4 people (0.67 points)
  bsmith, namida, Nepster, Proxima

5. Name a music key, except C-major.
C minor - 6 people (1 point)
  607, Akseli, bsmith, geoo, Nepster, Simon

C sharp minor - 1 person (0.17 points)
  Proxima

D minor - 1 person (0.17 points)
  namida

D major - 1 person (0.17 points)
  ccexplore

G major - 1 person (0.17 points)
  clam

6. Name a sport that does not use a ball, except chess.
Ice hockey - 3 people (1 point)
  Akseli, clam, namida

Hockey - 1 person (0.33 points)
  bsmith

Running  - 1 person (0.33 points)
  geoo

Marathon - 1 person (0.33 points)
  Proxima

Cycling - 1 person (0.33 points)
  Nepster

Boxing - 1 person (0.33 points)
  Simon

Car racing - 1 person (0.33 points)
  607

Swimming - 1 person (0.33 points)
  ccexplore

Explanation: Marathon is a subclass of Running.

running (it's so tedious Simon considers culling it)

7. Name a politician, except Barack Obama.
George W. Bush - 4 people (1 point)
  bsmith, geoo, Proxima, Simon

Hillary Clinton - 2 people (0.5 points)
  clam, Nepster

Vladimir Putin - 2 people (0.5 points)
  Akseli, namida

George Bush - 1 person (0.25 points)
  ccexplore

George Washington - 1 person (0.25 points)
  607

Explanation: George Bush may refer to George Bush senior or to Geroge W. Bush. So Geroge W. Bush is a subclass of George Bush. (Huh, that last sentence sounds very weird )

8. Name a flower, except rose.
tulip - 3 people (1 point)
   607, geoo, Nepster

violet - 3 people (1 point)
  bsmith, ccexplore, Simon

kalmia - 1 person (0.33 points)
  namida

lily - 1 person (0.33 points)
  clam

daisy - 1 person (0.33 points)
  Proxima

sunflower - 1 person (0.33 points)
  Akseli

9. Name a lemmings smiley, except .
- 3 people (1 point)
  bsmith, ccexplore, clam

- 2 people (0.67 points)
  Proxima, Simon

- 2 people (0.67 points)
  Akseli, geoo

- 1 person (0.33 points)
  607

- 1 person (0.33 points)
  Nepster

- 1 person (0.33 points)
  namida

10. Guess who is hosting this round of Family Feud, except Quizmaster.
namida - 5 people (1 point)
  607, Akseli, clam, geoo, Simon

ccexplore - 2 people (0.4 points)
  bsmith, namida

Simon - 1 person (0.2 points)
  ccexplore

Akseli - 1 person (0.2 points)
  Nepster

mobius - 1 person (0.2 points)
  Proxima

I think this is a big fat ploy and namida is hosting again. Though maybe he'd deem it too impolite to prioritize himself over Proxima, so it could be Nepster instead. I'm pretty sure it's not Simon due to the extendable deadline, but he might still be the most popular answer.

...and a few days later...

I have the hunch that the Quizmaster might be IchoTolot (or maybe Nepster, but I think IchoTolot more likely), but I'll stick with namida as my answer for question 10.

IP address lookup of any users, a feature available only to moderators and admins, reveal with near certainty Nepster as the host.  Frankly it is much harder to guess what the popular answer may turn out to be.   Very tempted to try the correct answer but unsure if enough people are aware of the feature for such a strategy...

This round was indeed hosted by Nepster. Turns out that knowing the correct answer (ccexplore, namida and Nepster) proved to be a disadvantage!

Total scores for standard-scoring questions
geoo - 9.00
bsmith - 8.40
Simon - 8.25
Akseli - 7.75
607 - 7.41
clam - 7.25
Nepster - 7.03
ccexplore - 6.45
Proxima - 6.37
namida - 4.76


Inverse-Scoring Questions

11. Name one of the five fingers on a hand.
pinky - 1 person (1 point)
  geoo

thumb - 1 person (1 point)
  ccexplore

middle finger - 3 people (0.33 points)
  namida, Proxima, Simon

index finger - 5 people (0.2 points)
  607, Akseli, bsmith, clam, Nepster

12. Name a white chess piece.
Queen - 1 person (1 point)
  ccexplore

Rook - 1 person (1 point)
  geoo

Queen's Knight's Pawn - 1 person (1 point)
  Proxima

Bishop - 2 people (0.5 points)
  namida, Nepster

King - 5 people (0.2 points)
  607, Akseli, bsmith, clam, Simon

And an extra cookie for Proxima for finding a loophole in my question by specifying exactly one of the eight pawns. Not that it mattered in any way...

13. Name a prime number less than 20.
2 - 1 person (1 point)
  ccexplore

7 - 1 person (1 point)
  Nepster

11 - 1 person (1 point)
  607

13 - 2 people (0.5 points)
  Akseli, Simon

17 - 2 people (0.5 points)
  bsmith, namida

5 - 3 people (0.33 points)
  clam, geoo, Proxima

14. Name one of the cardinal directions.
west - 1 person (1 point)
  geoo

south - 2 people (0.5 points)
  Akseli, clam

east - 3 people (0.33 points)
  bsmith, Proxima, Simon

north - 4 people (0.25 points)
  607, ccexplore, namida, Nepster

Explanation: I got answers of the form "NNW - if not allowed then NW - if both not allowed then N". Directions like NNW are called secondary-intercardinal and directions like NW are called intercardinal, so neither is factually correct and the remaining answer N was taken.

15. Name one of the tribes in Lemmings 2.
Shadow - 1 person (1 point)
  bsmith

Sport - 1 person (1 point)
  Nepster

Highland - 1 person (1 point)
  Proxima

Medieval - 1 person (1 point)
  Simon

Cavelem - 2 person (0.5 points)
  607, Akseli

Classic - 2 person (0.5 points)
  ccexplore, namida

Polar - 2 person (0.5 points)
  clam, geoo

Total scores for inverse-scoring questions
geoo - 3.83
ccexplore - 3.75
Proxima - 2.99
Nepster - 2.95
Simon - 2.36
bsmith - 2.23
607 - 2.15
namida - 2.08
Akseli - 1.90
clam - 1.73

Total Scores
geoo - 12.83
bsmith - 10.63
Simon - 10.61
ccexplore - 10.20
Nepster - 9.98
Akseli - 9.65
607 - 9.56
Proxima - 9.36
clam - 8.98
namida - 6.84


Congratulations to geoo for scoring extremely well in this hard Family Feud round and to bsmith placing second in his very first participation. Thanks everyone for joining.

[Nepster]

I am very curious, why namida turned out to be the most popular answer to Q10? He explicitely announced that he would not be the host this time!

[Simon]

why namida turned out to be the most popular answer to Q10? He explicitely announced that he would not be the host this time!

Nobody else underlines.

And namida liked the second-answers round, and would have liked more participation on that.

Thanks for hosting!

-- Simon

[geoo]

I feel like the inverse questions are quite reliant on luck and a bit of psychology, so I think I was mostly just lucky to score well on that one.

I didn't think of that when I answered Q8, but with a Dutch guy here (607) there was a good chance at least someone else would answer that too.

I'm surprised that is not the most popular answer for Q9, it's just the simple answer of taking the opposite, which worked perfectly well on Q5.

As for Q10, the comma in the following quote kinda gave away to me that it was one of the Germans, but I suspected IchiTolot to be more likely to write like this than Nepster for no particular reason:

I am well aware of the fact, that this is still a factually incorrect answer.

Actually, after I send my hunch to the quizmaster, I realized I could just check the IPs and then confirmed that it was Nepster, but I didn't want to adjust my answer upon that knowledge.

[ccexplore]

Explanation: George Bush may refer to George Bush senior or to Geroge W. Bush. So Geroge W. Bush is a subclass of George Bush. (Huh, that last sentence sounds very weird )

I was actually counting on people not being specific in their answer, otherwise I would've specified W.  D'oh!

why namida turned out to be the most popular answer to Q10? He explicitely announced that he would not be the host this time!

I had the very same thought!  Though to be fair, if one doesn't pay attention to the other posts and not know that namida said he would cede hosting, I have to admit namida would've sounded fairly plausible from the wording of the post alone.  So it would seem that people either didn't pay attention, or determined you to be such an excellent namida impersonator that they'd go for the "it's a ploy" theory.

===============

For the inverse-scoring answers, I basically did reverse-psychology and explicitly picked what I think would be the most popular answers (ie. under normal-scoring conditions), hoping enough other people will avoid them.  That seemed to have worked quite well except for #14, for which I wonder how many people inadvertently burned me by going for the intercardinals?

[ccexplore]

I didn't think of that when I answered Q8, but with a Dutch guy here (607) there was a good chance at least someone else would answer that too.

Hmm, seems like the "roses are red, violets are blue" nursery rhyme might not be as well-known as I imagined?  It did tie top scoring with the tulip answer, but it seemed so obvious to me that I would've expected one or two more people picking "violet".

[Nepster]

Nobody else underlines.

I was deliberately copying the style of namida's previous two rounds, because I did not want people to start comparing styles of various Family Feud rounds to exclude possible hosts! Guess it didn't quite work as intended .

That seemed to have worked quite well except for #14, for which I wonder how many people inadvertently burned me by going for the intercardinals?

Only one. Three people just answered north.

[namida]

Ouch, I did awful this round...

Ice hockey - 3 people (1 point)
  Akseli, clam, namida

Interesting that both NZers chose this...
(I was about to say it was even more interesting that NaOH didn't, but then I noticed she didn't participate in this round.)

[geoo]

why namida turned out to be the most popular answer to Q10? He explicitely announced that he would not be the host this time!

I had the very same thought!  Though to be fair, if one doesn't pay attention to the other posts and not know that namida said he would cede hosting, I have to admit namida would've sounded fairly plausible from the wording of the post alone.  So it would seem that people either didn't pay attention, or determined you to be such an excellent namida impersonator that they'd go for the "it's a ploy" theory.

Though being the previous host, namida is also kinda of a bailout answer: If you don't have a clue, just pick an obvious host even if it doesn't satisfy the question. (This was at least a partial reason for me picking namida.)

As for the nursery rhyme, it didn't spring my mind for some reason, though I do know it.

[Quizmaster]

It's time for the next round! This round has a theme of: fiction.

I: Fictional Characters

Standard scoring, except that some questions have specifically forbidden answers, which score zero.

1. Name a Shakespearean character whose name is not part or the whole of the title of the play in which this character appears.
2. Name a fictional detective, other than Sherlock Holmes.
3. Name a fictional cat, other than Puss-in-Boots.
4. Name a member of the Fellowship of the Ring.
5. Name a Hogwarts professor.
6. Name a character in the Sonic the Hedgehog series, other than Sonic.
7. Name a character in the Touhou series, other than Reimu.

II: Works of Fiction

Inverse scoring: Try to pick the least popular answer, but answers outside the bounds of the question score zero.

8. Name a novel by Charles Dickens.
9. Name a book in The Chronicles of Narnia.
10. Name a book in The Adventures of Tintin.

III: Fictional Games

11. Quidditch. Choose a team (Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw or Slytherin) and position (Chaser, Beater, Keeper or Seeker).

Goals: Each team scores 10 x Chasers x (Beaters + 1) x 2 if at least one Keeper.
Snitch: A team fielding exactly one Seeker scores 150.

Conversion to quiz points: Each player scores 1/100 of their team's Quidditch score.

12. The Hunger Games. Choose a district to belong to (numbered 1 to 12), a district to attack, and a time to attack (0 to 24 hours after start of games, integer hours only).

You are assumed to form a temporary alliance with anyone else from the same district, but scoring is individual and team-mates can backstab each other If you die before the time you chose to attack, your attack command is ignored even if you have surviving team-mates.

If anyone chooses to attack a team with zero members, the attack command is ignored. This overrides all other rules.
If two or more attacks take place during the same hour, there is a bloodbath and all members of attacking teams are killed (while the teams they intended to attack get away).
If a larger team attacks a smaller team, all members of the smaller team are killed. In addition, if the fight was 2-on-1, the team member who nominated that attack takes the opportunity to kill their team-mate during the fight.
If a one-person team attacks another one-person team, both are killed.
If a team larger than one person attacks a team of equal size, or any team attacks a larger team, the team member who nominated the attack is killed (but their team-mates abandon them and flee).

Anyone still alive after 24 hours scores 1, or 2 if they are the sole survivor.

13. Mornington Crescent. Name a London Underground station, other than Mornington Crescent.

I will write all named stations on a piece of paper, and draw a link between any two if one ends and the other starts with the same letter. These links join the stations into networks. The size of a network is simply the number of stations it contains.

Everyone scores (size of network containing their station) / (size of largest network).

14. Brockian Ultra-Cricket. Choose a forum member to insult. It must be someone who has participated in at least one round of Family Feud 2015.

If the person you insult does not take part in this round, score 1.
If the person you insult does take part, but does not insult you back, score 0.
If the person you insult takes part and does insult you back, lose 1 point.

The winning person shall be the person that wins! May the Random Number Gods be ever in your favour!

[Simon]

Excellent ideas.

Goals: Each team scores 10 x Chasers x (Beaters + 1) x 2 if at least one Keeper.

How does the 'if' connect to the equation? I assume this means "stuff x2 if at least one keeper, stuff x1 if no keeper."

-- Simon

[namida]

^ I actually read that as "no keeper, no score (apart from the Seeker score)". But yeah, it's pretty ambiguous.

I'm not quite sure I understand exactly how Question 13 is meant to work. Is each station put into the longest possible network that contains it (and presumably, doesn't contain any station more than once)? Does it have to be a full circle? etc.

I do like the ideas in general here though! It's also been a while since we've had any non-standard scoring questions apart from the inverse scoring, so it's nice to see some again!

[Quizmaster]

Question 11: The score for goals is multiplied by 2 if there is a Keeper, otherwise unchanged.

Question 13: Think of each link as allowing you to move from one station to another. Two stations are in the same network if and only if it is possible to get from one to the other in a finite number of moves.

[namida]

So, let's say we had three stations (using made-up and hopefully not valid names here):

LEMMINGTON
NULL
NOOB

Would there be links from Lemmington to both Null and Noob? Or would only Lemmington + Null be considered a network because it loops? If it's the former, would "Null" and "Noob" also be considered to be linked to each other? (And in this case, isn't it very likely that all stations will be one huge network?)

[Quizmaster]

In that case, there would be links from Lemmington to both Null and Noob, so all three would be in the same network. If those were the only three answers, they would all score 1.

By the way, if there are multiple submissions of the same station, this is ignored. So for instance, if there are four players and they submit LEMMINGTON, LEMMINGTON, NULL and ZZZZ (pretending those are valid station names), then the longest network is the 2-station LEMMINGTON - NULL network and the player submitting ZZZZ scores 0.5.

[namida]

Alright, I think I get it now. Thanks!

[607]

I knew it wasn't Namida, but I didn't know who was it. I just took the most easy answer, and suspected other people to do the same. Just like guessing 0 when specifying a number, while you're certain 0 wouldn't actually be correct.
Oh, I'm really not too good at these reverse scoring questions... it's really hard, because you need to do what others don't, but others do that too

[bsmith]

I don't expect to do well this time, especially since I had to research some of the questions just to get an answer.  Never even heard of Touhou.

How is the next host decided anyways?

[Simon]

How is the next host decided anyways?

If you would like to host one, then it's you!

(wait, how did I got here? )

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

I'm starting to write up the results now, so entries are closed.

[Quizmaster]

Fiction-themed round: results!

Q1. Name a Shakespearean character not mentioned in the play's title.

Iago (Proxima, bsmith) - 1 point
Banquo (namida) - 0.5
Puck (Crane) - 0.5
Viola (NaOH) - 0.5
Ophelia (Simon) - 0.5
Gertrude (607) - 0.5
Claudio (geoo) - 0.5
Capulet (Akseli) - 0.5

Q2. Name a fictional detective, other than Sherlock Holmes.

Hercule Poirot (Proxima, geoo, bsmith, Akseli) - 1 point
Inspector Gadget (NaOH, Simon) - 0.5
Dick Gumshoe (namida) - 0.25
Inspector Morse (Crane) - 0.25
Nancy Drew (607) - 0.25

Q3. Name a fictional cat, other than Puss-in-Boots.

Garfield (NaOH, Simon, 607, geoo, Akseli) - 1 point
The Cat in the Hat (namida) - 0.2
Luna (Proxima) - 0.2
Tom (Crane) - 0.2
Sylvester (bsmith) - 0.2

Q4. Name a member of the Fellowship of the Ring.

Frodo Baggins (namida, Crane, NaOH, Simon, 607, geoo, Akseli) - 1 point
Gandalf the Grey (Proxima) - 0.14
Samwise Gamgee (bsmith) - 0.14

Q5. Name a Hogwarts professor.

Albus Dumbledore (namida, NaOH, Simon, 607, Akseli) - 1 point
Severus Snape (Proxima, geoo, bsmith) - 0.6
Minerva McGonagall (Crane) - 0.2

Q6. Name a character from the Sonic series, other than Sonic.

Miles "Tails" Prower (namida, Crane, NaOH, Simon, 607, geoo, bsmith) - 1 point
Dr Robotnik / Eggman (Proxima, Akseli) - 0.28

Q7. Name a character from the Touhou series, other than Reimu.

Kirisame Marisa (NaOH, Simon, geoo, bsmith, Akseli) - 1 point
Izayoi Sakuya (namida, 607) - 0.4
Kochiya Sanae (Proxima) - 0.2
Fujiwara no Mokou (Crane) - 0.2

Q8. Name a Charles Dickens novel (inverse scoring).

Unique answers: Little Dorrit (namida), Our Mutual Friend (Proxima), A Tale of Two Cities (geoo), Bleak House (bsmith) - 1 point
David Copperfield (Crane, 607) - 0.5
Dombey and Son (NaOH, Simon, Akseli) - 0.33

Q9. Name a book in The Chronicles of Narnia (inverse scoring).

The Silver Chair (Proxima) - 1 point
The Last Battle (NaOH) - 1 point
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (namida, 607) - 0.5
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Crane, Simon, geoo, bsmith, Akseli) - 0.2

Q10. Name a book in The Adventures of Tintin (inverse scoring).

All answers submitted were unique, so 1 point each for The Secret of the Unicorn (namida), Cigars of the Pharaoh (Proxima), Land of Black Gold (NaOH), The Crab with the Golden Claws (Simon), The Castafiore Emerald (607), Tintin in the Congo (geoo), Tintin in America (bsmith) and King Ottokar's Sceptre (Akseli). Crane did not answer this question.

Q11. Quidditch.

Gryffindor have no members (score 0)
Hufflepuff have one Seeker (NaOH) (score 150)
Ravenclaw have two Chasers (Simon, bsmith), one Beater (Crane), three Seekers (namida, geoo, Akseli) and one Keeper (Proxima) (score 80)
Slytherin have one Beater (607) (score 0)

NaOH scores 1.5; all Ravenclaw members score 0.8.

Q12. The Hunger Games.

District 1: geoo
District 6: bsmith
District 7: namida, 607, Akseli
District 8: Proxima, Crane, Simon
District 12: NaOH

At 3hrs, bsmith attacks NaOH, leading to a mutual kill.
At 4hrs, Crane leads an attack on District 3, who have no members, so nothing happens.
At 5hrs, 607 leads an attack on geoo, who is killed.
At 6hrs, geoo's attack command is ignored due to his death.
At 8hrs, Simon leads an attack on District 4, who have no members, so nothing happens.
At 10hrs, namida leads an attack on District 3, who have no members, so nothing happens.
At 16hrs, Proxima leads an attack on District 12, who have no surviving members, so nothing happens. NaOH's attack command is ignored due to her death.
At 17hrs, Akseli leads an attack on District 4, who have no members, so nothing happens.

Survivors: namida, 607, Akseli, Proxima, Crane, Simon - 1 point each.

(This was an enormously fun question to run, as the gradual trickle of answer submissions kept drastically changing the outcome!)

Q13. Mornington Crescent.

Sudbury Hill (Crane), North Acton (NaOH), South Kensington (Simon), Lewisham (607), Northfields (geoo), High Street Kensington (Akseli) - 1 point
Euston Square (namida), Redbridge (bsmith) - 0.33
Tottenham Court Road (Proxima) - 0.17

Q14. Brockian Ultra-Cricket.

RubiX (Proxima), grams88 (NaOH, 607), Timballisto (Simon), SLIME MINISTER (geoo, Akseli), Ramon (bsmith) - 1 point
NaOH (namida) - 0
Akseli (Crane) - 0

Total scores:

NaOH - 11.85
Simon - 11.32
Akseli - 11.11
geoo - 11.1
607 - 10.15
bsmith - 9.27
namida - 8.98
Proxima - 7.39
Crane - 6.85

Congratulations to NaOH, who also won the previous round I hosted! And thanks to everyone who took part.

I haven't received any PMs expressing interest in hosting the next round, so as far as I know, that's still open. I won't check this account regularly, so send a PM to Proxima if you want the Quizmaster password.

[Simon]

A google-intensive round for the feud questions, but extremely fun games. Thanks!

<SimonN> feud results, feud results
<Proxima> indeed :) I enjoyed this round
<Proxima> you and NaOH were on a good wavelength, you submitted the same answers to all standard-scoring questions except Q1
<SimonN> Ravenclaw have two Chasers (Simon, bsmith), one Beater (Crane), three Seekers (namida, geoo, Akseli) and one Keeper (Proxima) (score 80)
<SimonN> :D :D :D :D
<SimonN> yeah, it didn't work out all the time for points, but the answers matched up often
<Ramond> Proxima is back!
<Proxima> yes :) hello
<SimonN> my prediction was that exactly one of geoo and NaOH would seek for Ravenclaw, and if both seek there, then the strong opposition doesn't get points either, so I should get a non-seeker role on the team
<SimonN> and my first hunch, which I erased before sending, was to seek for Hufflepuff >_>

-- Simon

[607]

Wow, I did much better than expected! I didn't have any idea for questions 1, 2, 5, 7 & 8 and I googled for pretty much every question, but on most it actually turned out well. This was also the first time I didn't fail horrendously on the inverse scoring questions, I think.
It's a shame that the Quidditch didn't work out, but I did well on the other ones. I actually quite liked these questions in the end, even though I had to Google quite a few of them. Most are quite interesting.
I'm quite surprised that seriously everyone answered either Tails or Dr. Eggman. I wasn't too sure about which to choose from those two, but I was also seriously considering Shadow, and perhaps even Knuckles. But maybe Tails is more popular than I thought.
Thanks for hosting!

[Crane]

I find it interesting how no-one mentioned "Oliver Twist" or "A Christmas Carol" as a novel by Charles Dickens.  I guess people were afraid they were popular answers.

[Quizmaster]

A Quizmaster for the next round has appeared!

Apologies to all concerned, there was a minor error in the scoring. Akseli and Proxima scored 2/7 = 0.28 on Q6, not 0.14. This puts Akseli only just into third place above geoo.

[NaOH]

Fun theme! I liked this round . Thanks for hosting.

[geoo]

Nice round, a bit research heavy but insightful at the same time, quite enjoyed it. Congrats to NaOH.
Did well on the regular Feud question, but can't really pinpoint an avoidable mistake in any of the other questions, so all the more respect.

Tintin in the Congo was the only book of the series I remembered offhand from somewhere.

Very interesting special questions this time. Q13 was my favourite, a bit like the conga line, but novel and not dependent on player popularity, but Q11 and Q12 were very nice too.

For Q11, my perception of the universe is severely skewed by HPMOR that I have a significantly better recollection of than the originals.

Wow, I was completely off with my prediction for question 12. Quite surprised how this turned out, everyone picking middle numbers:

12. District 1, attack District 12 at 6. (Tricky one. District 1 will probably have the most members, but if there are 4 or 5 a collision of the attack times becomes likely. District 12 is probably the next biggest one, but District 1 will very likely attack district 12. Any other district and chances are I'm alone and either attack some non-empty district or get attacked. But maybe participation isn't that high this time...)

I was kinda off with question 13 as well, but N and S proved to be very popular letters:

13. Northfields (Hoping someone picks King's Cross, and someone else expects someone to pick King's cross and picks some station starting with S.)

[NaOH]

I was kinda off with question 13 as well, but N and S proved to be very popular letters:

There were an enormous number of stations ending in "-ton," so I figured anything starting with an "n" was a good choice.

[geoo]

I actually took the whole list of stations, sorted them by first and last letter to check which are frequent. And then tried to pick something connecting to something frequent while at the same time likely to be a popular letter. Simon even picked a station with start and end letters swapped from mine.

[Quizmaster]

It is time for another round of Family Feud!

Standard Scoring Questions
1. Name a mathematical subject taught in high school.
2. Name a fictional character whose weapon of choice is a sword.
3. Name a video game which has a book or novel set in the same universe.
4. Name a component inside a personal computer.
5. Name a state bordering Minnesota.
6. Name an ingredient in vegetable soup.
7. Name something which can be found in the sky.
8. Name a web browser.
9. Name a vehicle manufacturer.
10. How many rooms are in an average house.

Special Scoring Minigames
11. Darts
- Throw your dart at the dartboard by choosing an (x,y) coordinate on the dartboard represented as a square with corners at (1,1), (1,-1), (-1,1), and (-1,-1).  The center of the dart cluster is determined by the arithmetic average of the x-coordinates and y-coordinates. [Example: If three points (0.4,0.9), (-0.1,-0.5), (0.6,0.2) are chosen, then the cluster center is (0.3, 0.2).] 
- Your score is (shortest distance to cluster center)/(your distance to cluster center).

12. Sectors
- Choose a point on the circumference of a circle by stating the number of degrees clockwise from the top.  The circle is divided into sectors be taking the midpoint of each pair of adjacent points chosen by the players.  Your sector is the one your point resides in.  [Example: Points at A:0 deg, B:80 deg, and C:200 deg are chosen.  The sectors are marked by points 40 deg, 140 deg, and 280 deg. A's sector is from 280 to 40 (120 deg), B's sector is from 40 to 140 (100 deg, C's sector is from 140 to 280 (140 deg).]  If two or more players choose the same point then they split the sector. [Example: If D chooses the same point as C in the previous example, then they each get 140/2=70 degrees of the sector.]
- Your score is (size of your sector)/(size of the largest sector).

13. Hide and Seek
- Choose a location to hide on the grid A1-E5 (like a spreadsheet).  Choose five locations to seek other players.  You may choose your hiding spot to seek other players without penalty for finding yourself.
- Your raw score is (number of other players found)-(number of players who found you).  Your final score is (your raw score)/(best raw score).

[Quizmaster]

This round's results!

1. Name a mathematical subject taught in high school.
1 pt - Algebra - namida, NaOH, Simon, 607
1/4 pt - Statistics - Crane
1/4 pt - Multiplying - IchoTolot


2. Name a fictional character whose weapon of choice is a sword.
1 pt - Link - NaOH, Simon, Crane, 607
1/4 pt - Sephiroth - namida
1/4 pt - Arthas - IchoTolot


3. Name a video game which has a book or novel set in the same universe.
1 pt - Lemmings - NaOH, Simon
1 pt - Lord of the Rings - IchoTolot, 607
1/2 pt - Pokemon - namida
1/2 pt - StarCraft - Crane


4. Name a component inside a personal computer.
1 pt - Motherboard - namida, IchoTolot, 607
2/3 pt - Hard Drive - NaOH, Crane
1/3 pt - CPU - Simon


5. Name a state bordering Minnesota.
1 pt - Iowa - NaOH, Crane
1 pt - North Dakota - IchoTolot, 607
1/2 pt - South Dakota - namida
1/2 pt - Wisconsin - Simon


6. Name an ingredient in vegetable soup.
1 pt - Leek - NaOH, Simon
1/2 pt - Lentils - namida
1/2 pt - Potatoes - Crane
1/2 pt - Carrots - IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Mincemeat - 607


7. Name something which can be found in the sky.
1 pt - Clouds - namida, NaOH, Crane, IchoTolot, 607
1/5 pt - Sun - Simon


8. Name a web browser.
1 pt - Firefox - namida, NaOH, Simon, Crane, IchoTolot
1/5 pt - Google Chrome - 607


9. Name a vehicle manufacturer.
1 pt - Ford - NaOH, 607
1 pt - Volkswagon - Simon, IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Toyota - Namida
1/2 pt - BMW - Crane


10. How many rooms are in an average house.
1 pt - 5 - NaOH, IchoTolot
1/2 pt - 6 - namida
1/2 pt - 10 - Simon
1/2 pt - 8 - Crane
1/2 pt - 0 - 607


11. Darts Minigame
Point (0,0) - namida, NaOH, Crane, IchoTolot
Point (0,05, -0.05) - Simon
Point (-0,05, 0.05) - 607
Cluster center is (0,0), so namida, NaOH, Crane, and IchoTolot all score 1 pt; Simon and 607 score 0 pt.


12. Sectors Minigame
namida chose 199
NaOH chose 180
Simon chose 123
Crane chose 150
IchoTolot chose 40
607 chose 37

Sector partitions are at 38.5, 81.5, 136.5, 165, 189.5 and 298

namida's sector measures 108.5, the best for 1 pt
NaOH's sector measures 24.5, getting 0.23 pt
Simon's sector measures 55, getting 0.51 pt
Crane's sector measures 28.5, getting 0.26 pt
IchoTolot's sector measures 43, getting 0.4 pt
607's sector measures 100.5, getting 0.93 pt


13. Hide and Seek Minigame
namida - Hide C2, Seek A1, E1, A5, E5, C3
NaOH - Hide C4, Seek A3, A1, E5, D4, C4
Simon - Hide D3, Seek B1, B2, B4, B5, C3
Crane - Hide B4, Seek A1, E5, C5, D2, B4
IchoTolot - Hide C5, Seek B2, C3, E5, B4, A1
607 - Hide D4, Seek A1, C3, A5, D5, A2

namida finds 0 and was found by 0 for a raw score of 0
NaOH finds 1 and was found by 0 for a raw score of 1
Simon finds 1 and was found by 0 for a raw score of 1
Crane finds 1 and was found by 2 for a raw score of -1
IchoTolot finds 1 and was found by 1 for a raw score of 0
607 finds 0 and was found by 1 for a raw score of -1

The best raw score is 1, so everyone's raw score is their final score.


Grand Totals:
namida - 8.75
NaOH - 11.89
Simon - 9.04
Crane - 7.18
IchoTolot - 9.4
607 - 8.13

Congratulations to NaOH for the win!

[607]

Hey, how are the inverse-scoring questions scored? I can't figure it out with the hotness

[namida]

I've personally done it by working out the difference between the frequency of the most common and least common answer, then working in reverse from there. EG: 2 people have least common answer, 4 people have most common answer, that's a spread of 3, so I count the 4-person-answer as worth 1/3rd, and the 2-person answer as worth 1 (with any 3-person answers being 2/3rds). However, I think other hosts have simply done it as a matter of <frequency of least common answer> / <frequency of this answer>, eg: in the same example, the 4-person answer would be worth 2/4ths (or 1/2), a 3-person answer worth 2/3rds, and a 2-person answer worth 1 point.

The more important thing is to make sure you use the same scoring method across all inverse questions in a single feud, rather than exactly what that method is.

[Quizmaster]

Its a colorful Feud!  This round features color and color-related questions.  All questions are standard scoring:

1. Name a real person who has a nickname/alias containing the word 'Black'.  (Submissions should include both the character name and the 'Black' nickname.)
2. Name an animal with brown fur.
3. Name a character in 'Little Red Riding Hood' other than the title character.
4. Other than an orange, name a food which is orange in color.
5. Name a roadsign which uses yellow paint.
6. Name a type of evergreen plant.
7. Name an article of clothing in your closet/wardrobe which is blue.
8. Name a nation whose flag contains purple.
9. Name a currently living celebrity with gray hair.
10. Name a fictional character who has a nickname/alias containing the word 'white'.  (Submissions should include both the character name and the 'White' nickname.)
11. What is the most common carat rating of gold in jewelry.
12. Name a real-world application of silver. (Something in which silver provides some sort of crucial function as opposed to things like dining utensils and jewelry which can use almost any metal.)

[607]

It's a bit late, but can I still get an entry in today?

[Quizmaster]

Yes you can.  Submissions have been slowly trickling in so I'm letting this round open longer than last time.

[607]

Hey, I forgot who hosted the previous round, but could that person tell me how you calculated the scores for the darts game? I've been trying to find a way, but I don't think I understand either the arithmetic average or the distance between two coordinates.
Help would be hugely appreciated!

[Quizmaster]

Using the actual points chosen:  (0,05, -0.05),  (-0,05, 0.05), (0,0), (0,0), (0,0), (0,0).
First to find the cluster center, I just take linear average, which is [(0,05, -0.05)  +  (-0,05, 0.05) + (0,0) + (0,0) + (0,0) + (0,0)]/6 = (0,0).
Because the cluster center is exactly the same as one of the points chosen, the shortest distance is 0.  Then anybody not on the center scores 0/(some distance) = 0.

To use the example points A(0.4,0.9), B(-0.1,-0.5), C(0.6,0.2): The cluster center is [(0.4,0.9) + (-0.1,-0.5) + (0.6,0.2)]/3 = (0.3, 0.2).
Point A distance is sqrt[(0.4-0.3)^2+(0.9-0.2)^2] = 0.7071
Point B distance is sqrt[(-0.1-0.3)^2+(-0.5-0.2)^2] = 0.8062
Point C distance is sqrt[(0.6-0.3)^2+(0.2-0.2)^2] = 0.3
The shortest distance is 0.3, then A scores 0.3/0.7071 = 0.4243, B scores 0.3/0.8062 = 0.3721, and C scores 0.3/0.3 = 1.

[Quizmaster]

Colorful Feud results:

1. Name a real person who has a nickname/alias containing the word 'Black'.  (Submissions should include both the character name and the 'black' nickname.)
1 pt - Black Widow (Natalia Romanova) - NaOH, Crane
1/2 pt - Jack Black (Thomas Jacob Black) - Akseli
1/2 pt - Rebecca Black - geoo
1/2 pt - The Black Dahlia (Elizabeth Short) - 607
0 pt - none - namida

2. Name an animal with brown fur.
1 pt - Bear - NaOH, Akseli, 607, Crane
1/4 pt - Capybara - namida
1/4 pt - Fox - geoo

3. Name a character in 'Little Red Riding Hood' other than the title character.
1 pt - The Wolf - namida, NaOH, Akseli, 607, Crane
1/5 pt - Grandma - geoo

4. Other than an orange, name a food which is orange in color.
1 pt - Carrot - namida, Akseli
1/2 pt - Orange Peppper - NaOH
1/2 pt - Grapefruit - geoo
1/2 pt - Mandarin - 607
1/2 pt - Tangerine - Crane

5. Name a roadsign which uses yellow paint.
1 pt - Caution - geoo, 607
1/2 pt - Slippery when wet - namida
1/2 pt - Zig-zag road - NaOH
1/2 pt - Slow - Akseli
1/2 pt - Bend ahead - Crane

6. Name a type of evergreen plant.
1 pt - Pine - NaOH, geoo
1/2 pt - Cannabis - namida
1/2 pt - Palm tree - Akseli
1/2 pt - Grass - 607
1/2 pt - Fir tree - Fir Tree

7. Name an article of clothing in your closet/wardrobe which is blue.
1 pt - Jeans - namida, NaOH, Akseli, 607
1/2 pt - Shirt - geoo, Crane

8. Name a nation whose flag contains purple.
1 pt - Dominica - NaOH, Akseli, geoo, 607
1/2 pt - Qatar - namida, Crane

9. Name a currently living celebrity with gray hair.
1 pt - Jamie Lee Curtis - NaOH, Akseli, 607
1/3 pt - Morgan Freeman - namida
1/3 pt - Christopher Walken - geoo
1/3 pt - Harrison Ford - Crane

10. Name a fictional character who has a nickname/alias containing the word 'white'.  (Submissions should include both the character name and the 'White' nickname.)
1 pt - Gandalf the White (Lord of the Rings) - NaOH, geoo
1 pt - Snow White (classic fairytale) - Akseli, 607
1/2 pt - The White Witch (The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe) - namida
1/2 pt - Charles Gray (Colonel White from Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons) - Crane

11. What is the most common carat rating of gold in jewelry.
1 pt - 18 carat - namida, NaOH, Crane
1 pt - 24 carat - Akseli, geoo, 607

12. Name a real-world application of silver. (Something in which silver provides some sort of crutial function as opposed to dining utensils and jewelry.)
1 pt - Solar Energy - namida, 607
1 pt - Conductors - NaOH, Crane
1/2 pt - Medal - Akseli
1/2 pt - Microelectronics - geoo

Grand Totals:
namida - 7.58
NaOH - 11
Akseli - 10
geoo - 7.78
607 - 10.5
Crane - 8.33

Congratuations to NaOH for another win!

[NaOH]

10. Name a fictional character who has a nickname/alias containing the word 'white'.  (Submissions should include both the character name and the 'White' nickname.)
1 pt - Gandalf the White (Lord of the Rings) - NaOH, geoo
1 pt - Snow White (classic fairytale) - Akseli, 607
1/2 pt - The White Witch (The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe) - namida
1/2 pt - Charles Gray (Colonel White from Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons) - Crane

This was the hardest question, in my opinion. I spent so long thinking about this one. Gandalf was literally the only remotely acceptable answer I could think of. Even then I wasn't comfortable with it; "The White" isn't really an alias, it's just part of his title. I never thought somebody else would pick this answer too.

* I'm not sure who hosted this one (My guess is Akseli because of the chemistry at the end?), but I liked the theme this time. Thanks for hosting!

[Crane]

I see my name is "Fir Tree" now - thanks mysterious Quizmaster!

[607]

Wow, I did surprisingly well!
NaOH and Akseli, did you Google the grey hair as well? I had no idea, and thought nobody would choose the same.

[NaOH]

NaOH and Akseli, did you Google the grey hair as well?

Yes, I googled for celebrities with grey hair, eventually I settled on Jamie Lee Curtis as she was somebody I recognised.

[ccexplore]

As usual, IP address lookup allows members of Administrators and Global Moderators to determine the identity of QuizMaster, but it feels strange for me to reveal it that way so I'll leave that up to him/her.  I will simply say that it is not one of the "regulars", I don't think he/she has ever been on IRC for example.

[Crane]

For me personally, I remembered Harrison Ford as he's been in the news lately due to Star Wars and his plane crash injury.

Some of the questions and answers seem shaky, I feel, like while I did think of "Snow White" as an answer to question 10, that was her name and she didn't have a nickname that I'm aware of, so I thought she didn't count.  The only other one I thought of before settling on Colonel White (since that is a code-name and not his real surname) was Simo Häyhä, aka. White Death, which I couldn't choose because he wasn't a character, but a real person (look him up - he is one certified badass!)

[Akseli]

I have skipped commenting on some rounds yet again, oh well. Congratulations to NaOH for winning three last rounds in a row.

Q8 - I've always seen the flag of Qatar as brown-white. Now when I look at it again after your answers, I'm not that sure anymore. x_x

NaOH and Akseli, did you Google the grey hair as well? I had no idea, and thought nobody would choose the same.

Q9 - Yes, my answer was purely based on google searching. Barack Obama would have been my second answer.

Q10 - Crane: I really didn't come up with anything else than Snow White, even when trying to google search over and over again.

As usual, IP address lookup allows members of Administrators and Global Moderators to determine the identity of QuizMaster

This was possible for global moderators in the previous forum, not in this forum anymore though. Namida reduced the power of moderators quite a lot, saying that moderators on the previous forum had almost admin-level powers.

[bsmith]

I'm the current Quizmaster and how I made the latest round of questions was this - I started with the resistor color code sequence and did some word associations, then for most of the colors I made questions that matched the word I came up with.

My original list went like this: black=the pirate Blackbeard, brown=bear, red=Little Red Riding Hood, orange=carrot, yellow=road sign, green=pine tree, blue=pants, purple=???, grey=hair, white=wolf (specifically the nickname 'White Wolf' for Geralt from The Witcher series), gold=jewelry, silver=superconductor metal.  Purple was the only color I did not have a good association, so I stuck the flag question there.

[Quizmaster]

Get your dictionary! It is an Alphabetic Feud!

Standard Scoring Questions
1. State a word beginning and ending with 'A'.
2. State a three letter word with two 'E's.
3. State a word ending in 'I'.
4. State a word with two 'O's that are not consecutive.
5. State a word beginning with 'U' but not the prefix 'UN'.
6. State a word using 'Y' as a vowel in a location other than the end of the word.
7. State a word with at least two sets of double letters. (The 'tt' in 'letters' is one such double.)
8. State a word with at least four occurrances of the same letter.
9. State a four letter palindrome.

Special Scoring Minigame
10. Alphabet Fishing
- Each player gives a list of 10 different letters of the alphabet to fish for.  Initially the letter pool contains all 26 letters. 
- In round 1 everyones first letter is removed from the pool.  It is okay if two or more players chose the same letter in the same round. 
- In round 2 everyones second letter is removed from the pool but if a player's letter was already removed, that player is eliminated.  Then the remaining players go to round 3. 
- This continues until everybody is eliminated or all 10 rounds are played through.
- Each player's raw score is the number of letters they successfully fished out (rounds prior to elimination).  Final score is (player's raw score)/(best raw score).

Example game: Alex chooses ABCDEFGHIJ, Bert chooses KMFYQWZELT, Carl chooses LBAQHYUIOJ.
Round 1 - Alex fishes A, Bert fishes K, and Carl fishes L.
Round 2 - Alex fishes B, Bert fishes M, and Carl fishes B.
Round 3 - Alex fishes C, Bert fishes F, and Carl fishes A.  Carl is eliminated, raw score = 2.
Round 4 - Alex fishes D and Bert fishes Y.
Round 5 - Alex fishes E and Bert fishes Q.  (Since Carl is eliminated, his fourth round choice of Q did not come into play.)
Round 6 - Alex fishes F and Bert fishes W.  Alex is eliminated, raw score = 5.
Round 7 - Bert fishes Z.
Round 8 - Bert fishes E.  Bert is eliminated, raw score = 7.
Final scores: Alex = 5/7 = 0.714, Bert = 7/7 = 1, and Carl = 2/7 = 0.286.

[grams88]

Interesting round but difficult as you have to think what words will other people use.  I used to play scrabble with my dad but have not been playing it lately instead we were playing worms armageddon. Got to love the worms.

[Crane]

So, when will we hear the results of the alphabet quiz?

[Quizmaster]

Since you asked so nicely, now!

Alphabetic Feud Results:

1. State a word beginning and ending with 'A'.
1 pt - A - IchoTolot, namida
1/2 pt - Aurora - Crane
1/2 pt - Amanda - Simon
1/2 pt - Arena - Proxima
1/2 pt - Africa - geoo
1/2 pt - Area - grams88
1/2 pt - Anaconda - exit

2. State a three letter word with two 'E's.
1 pt - See - Simon, IchoTolot, namida, geoo, grams88
2/5 pt - Eye - Crane, exit
1/5 pt - Bee - Proxima

3. State a word ending in 'I'.
1 pt - I - Simon, IchoTolot, namida, geoo
1/2 pt - Radii - Crane, Proxima
1/4 pt - Graffiti - grams88
1/4 pt - Pepperoni - exit

4. State a word with two 'O's that are not consecutive.
1 pt - Operation - Crane
1 pt - Professor - Simon
1 pt - Ongoing - IchoTolot
1 pt - Hollow - Proxima
1 pt - Motor - namida
1 pt - Odor - geoo
1 pt - Octagon - grams88
1 pt - Polo - exit

5. State a word beginning with 'U' but not the prefix 'UN'.
1 pt - Ugly - Simon, namida
1/2 pt - Ulcer - Crane
1/2 pt - Umbrella - IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Urban - Proxima
1/2 pt - Urn - geoo
1/2 pt - Up - grams88
1/2 pt - Upper - exit

6. State a word using 'Y' as a vowel in a location other than the end of the word.
1 pt - Pylon - Crane
1 pt - Myth - Simon
1 pt - Wyoming - IchoTolot
1 pt - Rhythm - Proxima
1 pt - Yttrium - namida
1 pt - Lynx - geoo
1 pt - Bye - grams88
1 pt - Lye - exit

7. State a word with at least two sets of double letters. (The 'tt' in 'letters' is one such double.)
1 pt - Mississippi - Simon, IchoTolot, namida
2/3 pt - Millennium - grams88, exit
1/3 pt - Bookkeeper - Crane
1/3 pt - Balloon - Proxima
1/3 pt - Committee - geoo

8. State a word with at least four occurrances of the same letter.
1 pt - Mississippi - Simon, IchoTolot, namida, geoo
1/2 pt - Voodoo - grams88, exit
1/4 pt - Antidisestablismentarianism - Crane
1/4 pt - Invisibility - Proxima

9. State a four letter palindrome.
1 pt - Noon - geoo, grams88, exit
2/3 pt - Deed - Crane, namida
1/3 pt - Peep - Simon
1/3 pt - Boob - IchoTolot
1/3 pt - Anna - namida

10. Alphabet Fishing
Fishing lists:
Crane - XREABSTUNO
Simon - EDLMNOTCVW
IchoTolot - DCLPFTUJIR
Proxima - GHIJKLMNOP
namida - ELTRIPYABC
geoo - AEMWHSIQUP
grams88 - ASDFGHJKLZ
exit - ARTZYQWXNH

Round 1 letters fished: A, D, E, G, X

Round 2 letters fished: C, H, L, R, S
geoo eliminated fishing for E

Round 3 letters fished: I, T
Crane eliminated fishing for E
Simon eliminated fishing for D
IchoTolot eliminated fishing for L
grams88 eliminated fishing for D

Round 4 letters fished: J, Z
namida eliminated fishing for R

Round 5 letters fished: K, Y

Round 6 letters fished: Q
Proxima eliminated fishing for L

Round 7 letters fished: W

Round 8
exit eliminated for fishing X

Scores:
Crane = 2/7 pt
Simon = 2/7 pt
IchoTolot = 2/7 pt
Proxima = 5/7 pt
namida = 3/7 pt
geoo = 1/7 pt
grams88 = 2/7 pt
exit = 1 pt

Final Scores:
Crane = 5.44 pt
Simon = 8.12 pt
IchoTolot = 8.12 pt
Proxima = 5.66 pt
namida = 8.76 pt
geoo = 7.48 pt
grams88 = 6.7 pt
exit = 6.82 pt

Congratulations to namida for winning this round!

[Proxima]

9. State a four letter palindrome.
1 pt - Noon - geoo, grams88, exit
2/3 pt - Deed - Crane, namida
1/3 pt - Peep - Simon
1/3 pt - Boob - IchoTolot
1/3 pt - Anna - namida

The first "namida" should read  "Proxima". This doesn't affect the scores, which are correctly calculated.

<-- my number of posts is also a 4-letter palindrome

That was a fun and difficult round!

[607]

Ah, I just missed it, came home from vacation late yesterday. I hope I'll be able to join the next round!

[Quizmaster]

Oh No! Its a Food Feud!  The Quizmaster is planning some meals and has decided to use the power of the Feud to help him out.

Standard Scoring Questions

Breakfast - Eggs
1. How should I prepare my eggs for breakfast?
2. What kind of breakfast meat should I have with my eggs?
3. What kind of jelly or jam should I put on my toast?
4. What non-alcoholic beverage should I have with my breakfast?

Lunch - Salad
5. What kind of lettuce should be the base of my salad?
6. What kind of dressing should I put on it?
7. What kind of salad topping should I add?
8. What kind of fruit should I have with my salad?

Dinner - Pot Roast
9. Which condiment should I put on my pot roast?
10. What vegetable should I have with my pot roast?
11. What alcoholic beverage should I have with my pot roast?
12. Which flavor of ice cream should I have for dessert?

Special Scoring Metaquestion

13. For each meal, the total of the guesses for the number one answers will be added up.  (For example, if 5 people choose the number one answer for Q1, 4 people for Q2, 3 people for Q3, and 4 people for Q4, then Breakfast will have a total of 16.)  Ties for best meal will be broken by looking at the number two answers for each question.
You are to choose the one of Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner you expect to have the highest score.  If you are right you receive one point. If you choose the median meal then you get 1/2 point. If you choose the low meal you get 0 points.

[Quizmaster]

The food fight is finished.  Here are the results:

*** Breakfast Questions ***

1. How should I prepare my eggs for breakfast?
1 pt - Scrambled - geoo, Proxima, Crane, exit, NaOH, IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Fried - Akseli, namida, Minim
1/6 pt - Hard-Boiled - Simon

2. What kind of berakfast meat should I have with my eggs?
1 pt - Bacon - Proxima, Akseli, namida, Crane, NaOH, IchoTolot
1/3 pt - Ham - geoo, Simon
1/3 pt - Sausage - exit, Minim

3. What kind of jelly or jam should I put on my toast?
1 pt - Strawberry - geoo, Proxima, Akseli, Simon, Crane, NaOH, Minim, IchoTolot
1/8 pt - Blackberry - namida
1/8 pt - Apricot - exit

4. What non-alcoholic beverage should I have with my breakfast?
1 pt - Orange Juice - Simon, namida, Crane, exit
3/4 pt - Coffee - Proxima, Minim, IchoTolot
1/4 pt - Club Mate - geoo
1/4 pt - Milk - Akseli
1/4 pt - Water - NaOH

#1 Breakfast: 6 Scrambled + 6 Bacon + 8 Strawberry + 4 Orange Juice = 24

*** Lunch Questions ***

5. What kind of lettuce should be the base of my salad?
1 pt - Iceberg - geoo, Proxima, Akseli, Simon, namida, Crane, Minim, IchoTolot
1/8 pt - Leaf Lettuce - NaOH
1/8 pt - Boston - exit

6. What kind of dressing should I put on it?
1 pt - Vinaigrette - Akseli, Minim
1 pt - Mayonaise - namida, Crane
1 pt - Caesar - exit, NaOH
1/2 pt - Italian - geoo
1/2 pt - Salad Cream - Proxima
1/2 pt - Yogurt - Simon
1/2 pt - Herb Dressing - IchoTolot

7. What kind of salad topping should I add?
1 pt - Croutons - geoo, NaOH
1 pt - Tomato - Proxima, Crane
1 pt - Mayonaise - namida, Minim
1 pt - Chicken - exit, IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Cucumber - Akseli
1/2 pt - Parsley - Simon

8. What kind of fruit should I have with my salad?
1 pt - Apple - geoo, Proxima, Akseli, Simon, Crane, IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Tomato - namida, exit, Minim
1/6 pt - Melon - NaOH

#1 Lunch: 8 Iceberg + 2 Vinaigrette + 2 Croutons + 6 Apple = 18

*** Dinner Questions ***

9. Which condiment should I put on my roast?
1 pt - gravy - Proxima, Crane
1 pt - Salt - Akseli, Simon
1/2 pt - Pepper - geoo
1/2 pt - Paprika - namida
1/2 pt - Mustard - exit
1/2 pt - Ketchup - NaOH
1/2 pt - Ginger - Minim
1/2 pt - Thyme - IchoTolot

10. What vegetable should I have with my roast?
1 pt - Carrot - Akseli, namida, Crane, exit, IchoTolot
2/5 pt - Potatoes - Proxima, NaOH
1/5 pt - Broccoli - geoo
1/5 pt - Leek - Simon
1/5 pt - Cauliflower - namida

11. What alcoholic beverage should I have with my roast?
1 pt - Beer - geoo, Proxima, Simon, namida, exit, NaOH, IchoTolot
3/7 pt - Wine - Akseli, Crane, Minim

12. Which flavor of ice cream should I have for dessert?
1 pt - Vanilla - geoo, Akseli, Simon, namida, Crane, NaOH, Minim, IchoTolot
1/8 pt - Chocolate - Proxima
1/8 pt - Chocolate Chip - exit

#1 Dinner: 2 Gravy + 5 Carrot + 7 Beer + 8 Vanilla = 22

*** 13. Meal Metaquestion ***
1 pt - Breakfast (24) - geoo, Proxima, Akseli, namida, NaOH, Minim, IchoTolot
1/2 pt - Dinner (22) - Simon, Crane, exit
0 pt - Lunch (18) - nobody

Final Scores:
geoo - 9.78
Proxima - 10.78
Akseli - 10.68
Simon - 9.2
namida - 9.83
Crane - 11.93
exit - 8.21
NaOH - 9.44
Minim - 10.01
IchoTolot - 11.75

Congratulations to Crane for the win!

[Crane]

Yay!  First victory!

[ccexplore]

Congrats!

Wow, I've gotten so lost track of feuds, I don't think I was ever aware of this one until now. Not sure I'd have done too well though, especially once we get to the dinner part.

[Quizmaster]

This time its a Numeric Feud!

Standard Scoring Questions:
1. Name a movie with the word 'One' in the title.
2. Name a famous pair of twins.
3. Name a historic figure who has 'Third' in his/her name. Variations like 'III' count.
4. Name a vehicle which does not have four wheels. A dually wheel count as a single wheel for this question.
5. Name one of the five fingers on a hand (thumb, index, middle, ring, pinky).
6. Name an item that is commonly available in groups of six.
7. Name a day of the week.
8. Name an animal with eight arms/legs.
9. Name a book series with at least nine books.
10. Name a counting system other than the modern base 10 system.

Special Scoring Minigame:
11. Choose three different integers 1 to 9.  You will recieve 1/3 point for each of your three numbers that occur an odd number of times among all the pooled submissons.
Example: If Alex chose {1,2,3}, Bert chose {2,3,4}, and Carl chose {3,4,5} then 1, 3, and 5 would each occur an odd number of times, getting Alex and Carl 2/3 point each and Bert 1/3 point.

[Quizmaster]

The Numeric Feud results are in!

Standard Scoring Questions:
1. Name a movie with the word 'One' in the title.
1 pt - The One - Crane, Minim, Ramon
2/3 pt - One - Simon, geoo
2/3 pt - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Proxima, Akseli
1/3 pt - Air Force One - Timballisto
1/3 pt - Pokemon 2000: The Power of One - namida

2. Name a famous pair of twins.
1 pt - Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen - Crane, Simon, geoo, namida, Timballisto
1/5 pt - Romulus and Remus - Proxima
1/5 pt - Henrik and Daniel Sedin - Minim
1/5 pt - Patty and Selma - Ramon
1/5 pt - Jacob and Esau - Akseli

3. Name a historic figure who has 'Third' in his/her name. Variations like 'III' count.
1 pt - Richard III - Proxima, Crane, Minim, geoo
3/4 pt - Henry III - Ramon, namida, Timballisto
1/4 pt - Napoleon III (Bonaparte) - Simon
1/4 pt - Alexander III - Akseli

4. Name a vehicle which does not have four wheels. A dually wheel count as a single wheel for this question.
1 pt - Bicycle - Proxima, Ramon, geoo, namida, Timballisto
2/5 pt - Motorbike - Crane, Minim
1/5 pt - Ship - Simon
1/5 pt - Plane - Akseli

5. Name one of the five fingers on a hand (thumb, index, middle, ring, pinky).
1 pt - Thumb - Proxima, Minim, Simon, geoo, Timballisto, Akseli
1/3 pt - Index - Crane, Ramon
1/6 pt - Middle - namida

6. Name an item that is commonly available in groups of six.
1 pt - Beer - Ramon, Simon, geoo, Timballisto, Akseli
3/5 pt - Eggs - Proxima, Crane, namida
1/5 pt - Bottles - Minim

7. Name a day of the week.
1 pt - Monday - Proxima, Ramon, Simon, Akseli
3/4 pt - Sunday - Minim, geoo, Timballisto
1/4 pt - Saturday - Crane
1/4 pt - Wednesday - namida

8. Name an animal with eight arms/legs.
1 pt - Spider - Crane, Ramon, Simon, geoo, Akseli
4/5 pt - Octopus - Proxima, Minim, namida, Timballisto

9. Name a book series with at least nine books.
1 pt - Discworld - Crane, Simon, geoo
2/3 pt - Goosebumps - Minim, namida
1/3 pt - The Wheel of Time - Proxima
1/3 pt - Sherlock Holmes - Ramon
1/3 pt - Redwall - Timballisto
1/3 pt - James Bond - Akseli

10. Name a counting system other than the modern base 10 system.
1 pt - Binary - Proxima, Crane, Minim, Ramon, geoo, Timballisto, Akseli
2/7 pt - Hexadecimal - Simon, namida

11. Special Scoring Minigame
Choose three different integers 1 to 9.  You will recieve 1/3 point for each of your three numbers that occur an odd number of times among all the pooled submissons.
The numbers 2,3,4,5,7 were chosen an odd number of times.
Player: Choices - score
Proxima: 2,5,8 - 2/3
Crane: 3,7,8 - 2/3
Minim: 1,2,3 - 2/3
Ramon: 2,4,8 - 2/3
Simon: 2,6,8 - 1/3
geoo: 4,5,6 - 2/3
namida: 3,7,8 - 2/3
Timballisto: 1,2,4 - 2/3
Akseli: 5,7,8 - 2/3

Final Scores:
Proxima - 8.27
Crane - 8.25
Minim - 7.68
Ramon - 8.28
Simon - 7.74
geoo - 10.08
namida - 6.52
Timballisto - 8.63
Akseli - 7.32

Congratulations to geoo for an impressive win, having over a full point over the rest of the field!

[Quizmaster]

Its time for another round of Family Feud!

1. Name an item you own which uses a laser.
2. Name a race from Star Trek.
3. Name something that spreads out when it is used/deployed.
4. Name something that has a type of plasma in it.
5. Name something that needs to be compressed to be used.
6. On average, how often in one American football game does a single player get hit in the head?
7. On average, how many hours in one day do you typically spend away from home?
8. Name something that works/operates when someone is nearby but is dormant otherwise.
9. How many 'smart' devices/appliances do you own?
10. Name a weapon with a large area of effect.

[Quizmaster]

This rounds results!

1. Name an item you own which uses a laser.
1 pt - Laser Pointer - NaOH, Crane, geoo
1/3 pt - PS3 - namida
1/3 pt - CD Player - Simon

2. Name a race from Star Trek.
1 pt - Klingon - NaOH, namida, Crane, Simon
1/4 pt - Borg - geoo

3. Name something that spreads out when it is used/deployed.
1 pt - Umbrella - Crane, Simon
1/2 pt - Peanut Butter - NaOH
1/2 pt - Water - namida
1/2 pt - Wings - geoo

4. Name something that has a type of plasma in it.
1 pt - Blood - Simon, geoo
1/2 pt - Plasma Cutter - NaOH
1/2 pt - Star - namida
1/2 pt - Plasma Sphere (Ball Lightning) - Crane

5. Name something that needs to be compressed to be used.
1 pt - Pump - NaOH, Crane
1/2 pt - Diesel - namida
1/2 pt - Tube of Paste - Simon
1/2 pt - Lemmings in a Trap - geoo

6. On average, how often in one American football game does a single player get hit in the head?
1 pt - Once - NaOH, Crane, Simon
1/3 pt - Twice - namida
1/3 pt - 10 Times - geoo

7. On average, how many hours in one day do you typically spend away from home?
1 pt - 8 hours - Crane, Simon
1/2 pt - 0 hours - NaOH
1/2 pt - 9 hours - namida
1/2 pt - 24 hours - geoo

8. Name something that works/operates when someone is nearby but is dormant otherwise.
1 pt - Burglar Alarm - Crane, Simon
1/2 pt - Automatic Door - NaOH
1/2 pt - Car - namida
1/2 pt - Security Camera - geoo

9. How many 'smart' devices/appliances do you own?
1 pt - One - NaOH, Simon, geoo
2/3 pt - Two - namida, Crane

10. Name a weapon with a large area of effect.
1 pt - Nuclear Bomb - namida, Crane, Simon, geoo
1/4 pt - Bomb - NaOH

Final Scores
NaOH - 7.25
namida - 5.83
Crane - 9.17
Simon - 8.83
geoo - 6.58

Congratulations to Crane for the win!

[namida]

I think past recent feuds have shown that if "nuclear bomb" is a logical valid answer to a question, it'll be the most popular one. I wonder how well I'd score in a feud if I answered "Nuclear Bomb" to literally every question...?

[Simon]

Congrats to Crane, and thanks for hosting, mysterious quizmaster.

I felt this was a very classic, enjoyable round. All questions were quick to answer without googling, but had no obvious single answer. Many different topics, some of them wonderfully quirky. This is how it's done!

-- Simon

[607]

Yup, this round was indeed great. Too bad I keep missing them.

[Simon]

Akseli has the same problem. Every time after results are posted, some people claim they've mised they round. The topic is open for a week, but apparently not visible enough, or people procrastinate.

Players: Join the feud as soon as it opens. If you're unsure about some questions, enter rubbish for those. You can amend your answers later by sending another PM. It's important to get a first set of answers in as soon as the round opens.

Quizmaster: Maybe make an extra post 3 days before resolution. Remind pepole to enter, announce how many entrants there are. Multiple posts is how namida attracts people for the level contest. The level contest is way more work to join than the feud.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

Recent feuds have had almost all the submissions come in the first two days with one or two come in during the remaining time.  But it appears that people missing feuds is a recurring issue, so I now intend to issue a 'last call' as Simon requests.

For Labor Day, we have a Labor Feud!
All questions are regular scoring.

1. How many hours per week do you work?
2. How often in one workday are you required to lift an object of at least 20 pounds (9 kilograms)?
3. In one day, how many hours of your work do you do sitting down?
4. How many jobs have you had?
5. How many vacation days does your company give you per year?
6. How long is your lunch break?
7. Name a job that pays minimum wage.
8. Name a job with lots of physical labor.
9. Name a job that takes a lot of mental effort
10. Name a job which has a very high salary.

[namida]

Recent feuds have had almost all the submissions come in the first two days with one or two come in during the remaining time.  But it appears that people missing feuds is a recurring issue, so I now intend to issue a 'last call' as Simon requests.

Good idea. Specifying a closing date might also help; you can always extend it if answers are still coming in.

[Quizmaster]

Only 5 entries so far.  I know this forum can do better!

I am setting a deadline for 12:00 noon (US Central) Wednesday September 16th.  There is still plenty of time to submit your entry.

[Quizmaster]

Labor Feud results are in!  We had two more entrants make it in before the deadline.

1. How many hours per week do you work?
1 pt - 40 - Simon, Crane, geoo, mobius
1/4 pt - 35 - namida
1/4 pt - 0 - Akseli
1/4 pt - 46 - bsmith

2. How often in one workday are you required to lift an object of at least 20 pounds (9 kilograms)?
1 pt - 0 - namida, Akseli, Simon, Crane, geoo, mobius
1/6 pt - 8 - bsmith

3. In one day, how many hours of your work do you do sitting down?
1 pt - 6 - Simon, bsmith
1 pt - 8 - Crane, geoo
1/2 pt - 5 - namida
1/2 pt - 0 - Akseli
1/2 pt - 4 - mobius

4. How many jobs have you had?
1 pt - 4 - namida, bsmith, mobius
2/3 pt - 1 - Simon, geoo
1/3 pt - 0 - Akseli
1/3 pt - 2 - Crane

5. How many vacation days does your company give you per year?
1 pt - 20 - namida, Crane, geoo, mobius
1/4 pt - 0 - Akseli
1/4 pt - 30 - Simon
1/4 pt - 10 - bsmith

6. How long is your lunch break?
1 pt - 30 minutes - namida, Akseli, Simon, mobius
1/2 pt - 1 hour - Crane, geoo
1/4 pt - 20 minutes - bsmith

7. Name a job that pays minimum wage.
1 pt - McDonalds - namida, Crane, bsmith, mobius
1/2 pt - Cleaner - Akseli, Simon
1/4 pt - Cashier - geoo


8. Name a job with lots of physical labor.
1 pt - Construction Worker - namida, Simon, geoo, mobius
1/2 pt - Farmer - Crane, bsmith
1/4 pt - Professional Athlete - Akseli


9. Name a job that takes a lot of mental effort.
1 pt - Mathematician - Simon, mobius, bsmith
2/3 pt - Scientist - namida, Crane
1/3 pt - Surgeon - Akseli
1/3 pt - Programmer - geoo

10. Name a job which has a very high salary.
1 pt - Lawyer - namida, geoo, mobius
2/3 pt - CEO - Simon, bsmith
1/3 pt - President - Akseli
1/3 pt - Doctor - Crane

Final Scores:
namida - 8.42
Akseli - 4.75
Simon - 8.08
Crane - 7.33
geoo - 7.75
bsmith - 6.08
mobius - 9.5

Congratulations to mobius for the win!

[ccexplore]

<geoo> what kind of job is McDonald's? o_O Cashier? Cook? PR manager?

Probably some mixture of cashier, cook and janitor.  Here in the US, fast food jobs are pretty strongly associated with minimum wage and minimum qualifications, so the answer is quite expected.  Yeah, I suppose the much higher-paid manager is technically also a McDonald's job.  Feud is about popularity not correctness after all.

[Crane]

Plus everyone loves to hate on McDonald's!

[namida]

That association is far from unique to the US. We have the same here in NZ too, and thats despite McDonalds not literally paying minimum wage (yet some other jobs actually doing so).

[grams88]

That sounded like an interesting round, welldone to Mobius with a score of 9.5

I love the food in Mcdonald's, the other day I got two little tasters which are the chicken wrap with lettuce and I think they have a bacon choice at our local Mcdonalds. I think there was one time UK Mcdonalds were offering degrees but have not really looked into to it that much.

In the UK there's been a very unpopular thing called zero hours contracts which are you could be working a lot of hours a week to just two or one hour a week. I think I know someone who is on a zero hour contract and she is only doing two hours a week. I think she's trying to find another job now as the two hours a week probably won't get you that much money.

[Quizmaster]

Time for another round of the Feud!  All questions are regular scoring.

1. Name something that is designed to be used in pairs.
2. Name something that uses magnetism to move something.
3. Name something with a helix structure.
4. Name something that bounces.
5. Name something that has a limited range of use.
6. Name something that gives off a bright flash when used.
7. Name something that is guided/controlled remotely by a human operator.
8. Name something that is designed to break/separate into parts when used.
9. Name something associated with high speed.
10. Name a location prone to earthquakes.

[Quizmaster]

Eight entries so far.  I know there are more of you out there, so come in and make a submission!

I am setting a deadline for 12:00 noon (US Central) Wednesday September 30th.

[Quizmaster]

This round's results are in!  A total of nine entries.

1. Name something that is designed to be used in pairs.
1 pt - Socks - Crane, grams88, mobius, Ramon
1/2 pt - Shoes - namida, geoo
1/4 pt - Gloves - Simon
1/4 pt - Scissors - Akseli
1/4 pt - Cor Cob Holder - bsmith

2. Name something that uses magnetism to move something.
1 pt - Magnet - Crane, namida, Simon, Akseli, grams88, Ramon
1/2 pt - Maglev Train - geoo, mobius, bsmith

3. Name something with a helix structure.
1 pt - DNA - Crane, namida, Simon, geoo, Akseli, grams88, mobius, Ramon
1/8 pt - Spiral Staircase - bsmith

4. Name something that bounces.
1 pt - Ball - everybody

5. Name something that has a limited range of use.
1 pt - Cell Phone - mobius, bsmith
1/2 pt - Remote Car Lock - Crane
1/2 pt - Flamethrower - namida
1/2 pt - Caecum - Simon
1/2 pt - Pascal - geoo
1/2 pt - Melee Weapon - Akseli
1/2 pt - Laser - grams88
1/2 pt - Robot Arm - Ramon

6. Name something that gives off a bright flash when used.
1 pt - Camera - grams88, mobius, Ramon
2/3 pt - Nuclear Bomb - namida, bsmith
1/3 pt - Flare - Crane
1/3 pt - Fireworks - Simon
1/3 pt - Flashlight - geoo
1/3 pt - Matchstick - Akseli

7. Name something that is guided/controlled remotely by a human operator.
1 pt - Television - Simon, Akseli, mobius, Ramon
3/4 pt - Drone - Crane, namida, geoo
1/4 pt - Remote Control - grams88
1/4 pt - TOW Missile - bsmith

8. Name something that is designed to break/separete into parts when used.
1 pt - Bomb - Crane, Akseli
1 pt - Chocolate - Simon, geoo
1/2 pt - Rocket - namida
1/2 pt - Egg - grams88
1/2 pt - Legos - mobius
1/2 pt - Cluster Grenade - Ramon
1/2 pt - Head of Garlic - bsmith

9. Name something associated with high speed.
1 pt - Airplane/Jet - Crane, grams88, bsmith
1 pt - Car - namida, Simon, Ramon
1/3 pt - Train - geoo
1/3 pt - Light - Akseli
1/3 pt - Rocket - mobius

10. Name a location prone to earthquakes.
1 pt - California/Los Angeles - Crane, Simon, bsmith
1 pt - Japan - namida, geoo, mobius
2/3 pt - New Zealand - Akseli, grams88
1/3 pt - Its Epicenter - Ramon

Final Scores:
Crane - 8.58
namida - 7.92
Simon - 8.08
geoo - 6.92
Akseli - 7.08
grams88 - 7.92
mobius - 8.33
Ramon - 8.33
bsmith - 6.29

Congratulations to Crane for the win!

[Simon]

Cellphone is probably the gadget with the widest range of use nowadays!

Interesting answers still. Thanks!

-- Simon

[namida]

6. Name something that gives off a bright flash when used.
2/3 pt - Nuclear Bomb - namida, bsmith

When I submitted my answer, I included the comment "Recently, it seems that whenever "nuclear bomb" is a plausible answer, it always comes up", or something along those lines. I was not disappointed; even if it wasn't the top answer this time.

[geoo]

But alas, you missed out on that opportunity for question 8.

Also get the impression that the subclass rule isn't strictly in effect anymore. Either way, that was a tough round for sure, with some smart (Q6) and some inexplicable (Q5) winning answers.

[Crane]

I'm starting to miss the "inverse scoring" questions, or the "Pointless" answers as I call them, because it makes you think of something obscure while trying to avoid choosing something that everybody else would choose: e.g. a book from the Chronicles of Narnia series and nearly everyone says "Voyage of the Dawn Treader". Some of those questions were hard. By the way, what's Caecum?

[mobius]

8. was hardest imo. I couldn't honestly think of anything and gave an answer which doesn't really fit at all. If anything Leggos work in the opposite way.
But everyone else thought of a good answer!

"magnet" seems like an obvious but sort of unfair answer to question 2...

funny that rocket and bomb came up a few times.

I'm starting to miss the "inverse scoring" questions, or the "Pointless" answers as I call them, because it makes you think of something obscure while trying to avoid choosing something that everybody else would choose: e.g. a book from the Chronicles of Narnia series and nearly everyone says "Voyage of the Dawn Treader". Some of those questions were hard. By the way, what's Caecum?

I miss them a little too. But not the very complicated ones. Just the simple yet, different questions what we started calling "mind game" questions.

[Quizmaster]

Recently I have been relaxing the subclass rule.  With only 10 players as a high participation rate, I find that splitting answers based on subclass would often lead to results like Q5 or Q6 for a lot more questions.  If anyone feels that I should be more strict on subclasses I will do so in future Feuds.

Interesting, the spellchecker likes 'subclass' but not 'subclasses'!

[Quizmaster]

Another round of the Feud is here -  this time with a batch of inverse scoring questions!

Regular scoring questions: (scoring = your answer count/most common answer count)
1. Name a material used to make a plate.
2. Name an ink color found in ball point pens.
3. How many buttons are on your shirt?
4. Name one of the boolean operators.
5. Name something designed to be used backwards when compared to other items similar to it.

Inverse scoring questions: (scoring = least common answer count/your answer count)
6. Name a weapon developed during World War 2.
7. Name one of the four basic mathematical binary operations (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division).
8. Name a character from the Austin Powers movies who is related to the title character.
9. Name a food item that is cooked in a pop-up toaster.

The Metaquestion:
10. The question lists for the August 25th Feud and the recent September 21st Feud were all inspired by a video game.  Guess this game.  Regular scoring will apply with one change: the correct answer will receive a full point no matter how many or how few entries guess that answer.

[Quizmaster]

I am sad   Only three people have entered so far.

You can make me happy again, all you need to do is submit an entry.  We have had as many as 10 people in a round recently and I know we can hit that mark again!

[Quizmaster]

It is still not too late to submit an entry!  I am setting a deadline for Saturday October 17th.

I have had some questions regarding Questions 5 and 8. I'll try to give some clarification.

Q5 "Name something designed to be used backwards when compared to other items similar to it."  A possible good answer can be a tool that does an opposite job of some associated items.  Another potential good answer can be an object which is meant to be installed in an opposite direction or different orientation than other similar objects.

Q8 "Name a character from the Austin Powers movies who is related to the title character."  What I am looking for is a character who was portrayed in at least one of the movies and can be described by some specific family role (brother, sister, spouse, nephew, father, etc).

[grams88]

That's a tricky one Quizmaster but interesting one.

As long as we don't get stuck with that bullying algebra, well actually I quite like the bullying algebra. That's what we used to call it. lol

[Quizmaster]

This rounds results are finally here!

Regular scoring questions:

1. Name a material used to make a plate.
1 pt - Porcelain - Simon, grams88, geoo, Nepster
1/4 pt - China - Minim
1/4 pt - Plastic - namida

2. Name an ink color found in ball point pens.
1 pt - Blue - namida, Simon, grams88, geoo, Nepster
1/5 pt - Black - Minim

3. How many buttons are on your shirt?
1 pt - 0 buttons - namida, Simon, grams88, geoo, Nepster
1/5 pt - 8 buttons - Minim

4. Name one of the boolean operators.
1 pt - AND - namida, Simon, geoo, Nepster
1/2 pt - OR - Minim, geoo

5. Name something designed to be used backwards when compared to other items similar to it.
1 pt - Staple Remover - namida, Minim
1 pt - Claw Hammer - Simon, geoo
1/2 pt - Wii - grams88
1/2 pt - Palindrome - Nepster

Inverse scoring questions:

6. Name a weapon developed during World War 2.
1 pt - Kaiten Torpedo - Simon
1 pt - Rifle - Minim
1 pt - PIAT Anti-Tank Weapon - geoo
1 pt - Renault R40 Tank - Nepster
1/2 pt - Nuclear Bomb - namida, grams88

7. Name one of the four basic mathematical binary operations (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division).
1 pt - Division - namida
1 pt - Subtraction - Minim
1/4 pt - Addition - Simon, grams88, geoo, Nepster

8. Name a character from the Austin Powers movies who is related to the title character.
1 pt - Austin's Mom - namida
1 pt - Dougie (Dr. Evil), brother - geoo
1/2 pt - Vanessa Kensington, wife - Minim, grams88
1/2 pt - Austin himself - Simon, Nepster

9. Name a food item that is cooked in a pop-up toaster.
1 pt - Crumpets - namida
1 pt - Waffles - Simon
1 pt - Pita Bread - Minim
1 pt - Popup Pizza - geoo
1/2 pt - Toast (burnt or not) - grams88, Nepster

The Metaquestion:

10. The question lists for the August 25th Feud and the recent September 21st Feud were all inspired by a video game.  Guess this game.  Regular scoring will apply with one change: the correct answer will recieve a full point no matter how many or how few entries guess that answer.
1 pt - Lemmings - geoo, Nepster
1/2 pt - Halo - namida
1/2 pt - Fallout - Simon
1/2 pt - Elder Scrolls - Minim
1/2 pt - Duke3D - grams88
Nobody guessed the correct answer: Descent

Final Scores:
namida - 8.25
Simon - 8.25
Minim - 6.15
grams88 - 6.25
geoo - 9.25
Nepster - 7.75
Congratulations to geoo for the win!

[Quizmaster]

And without further ado, let's get the next round ready! This one's theme is going to be countries.

Regular scoring questions
1. Name a country that uses the Euro as its currency.
2. Name a country that uses any kind of "dollar" as its currency.
3. Name a country that does not have a president.
4. Name a country that produces a lot of electronic goods.
5. Name a country in the southern hemisphere.
6. Name a country that does not have any land borders with other countries.

Inverse scoring questions
7. Name a country that has the Union Jack in their flag.
8. Name a country that shares a land border with Russia. (Russia itself is not a valid answer.)
9. Name a country that has a larger land area than the United States.
10. Name one of the countries in the United Kingdom.


Special scoring questions
Note that these two questions are scored together, not individually.

11. You are planning a holiday in which, over a period of one week, you will visit each of the 7 continents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, and Antarctica. You will visit one continent per day (let's assume you instantly teleport to the next one at midnight). Decide which order you will visit them in. On each day, you will score 1 point if you are the only person in your chosen continent, 2 points if there is exactly one other person there, half a point if there are exactly two other people there, and no points if there are three or more other people there.
(To avoid doubt, you must visit each continent exactly once; you cannot skip some and double-up on others.)

For example:
A, B and C are all in Africa on day 1, so they gain 0.5 points each.
A and B are in Asia on day 2, while C is in North America. So, A and B gain 2 points each, and C gains 1 point.
A, B, C and D are all in Oceania on day 3. So, they don't gain any points.

12. You have learnt that one of the other users is wanted by the international police during their holiday! The problem is, you don't know exactly who. All you can do is pick a day and a continent, and point the international police in that direction. The international police will investigate three reports per person. All users who are in the reported continent on the reported day will be "spotted" by the international police. Whichever user is spotted the most loses 3 points (if there is a tie, the loss is split evenly), whichever user is spotted the least gains 3 points (again, split if tied). Note that if two users report the same combination, it is only investigated once.

For example:
Day 2 Africa, Day 3 North America and Day 4 Asia are all reported. Perhaps Day 4 Asia is reported twice; but this doesn't matter, as each day/location combination is only checked once.
User A is present in all of these, so has been spotted 3 times.
User B is present in two of these, so has been spotted twice.
User C is not present in any of these, so has not been spotted at all.
Therefore, User A loses 3 points, and User C gains 3 points. User B neither gains nor loses any points.

The score from these two questions, finally, will be adjusted so that the highest gain or loss to the total feud score is 3 points.

I'm not sure if I explained these last two clearly enough, so feel free to ask for clarification.

Edited by namida: Tidied up some mismatched formatting tags.

[Crane]

I have to protest a bit about the October 6th answers (posted on October 22nd).

- China is porcelain.
- The rifle was not invented during World War II, but the American War of Independence.  A rifle specifically has helical grooves down the barrel (rifling, hence the name) in order to shape the bullet and make it spin in flight, which differentiates it from the musket.  Now, an automatic rifle (i.e. a portable machine gun), on the other hand... yes, that was invented during World War II.

[Quizmaster]

New QuizMaster here, so we'll have to wait until the previous host decides to answer that. If they want to keep it anonymous, they can PM me on my normal account.

[geoo]

- China is porcelain.

Chinese porcelain is a specific kind of porcelain, so by the subclass rule they should be considered different.

Whichever user is spotted the most loses 3 points (if there is a tie, the loss is split evenly), whichever user is spotted the least gains 3 points (again, split if tied).

3 points it way too much here; whoever wins this round almost certainly wins the whole feud. Unlike question 11, there's no distribution between 0 and 3 points, but a 3 point advantage over everyone else. This question should score at most 1 point, probably even less.

[Quizmaster]

That's a good point. I've changed it so the 3 points is gained/lost from the Question 11 score (prior to adjustment so that no more than 3 points can be gained), rather than the feud score directly.

So - now, it might impact who gets a really good or bad score in the special scoring section; but won't have such a strong effect on the feud as a whole.

[grams88]

Looks like someone is going to get caught by the international police.

[Quizmaster]

From the previous Quizmaster:

To address Crane's concerns about the October 6 Feud results:

I ultimately decided to split China from Porcelain on two factors. First, a simple internet search of "china vs porcelain" returns a lot of hits describing the differences. Second, I have never heard of a toilet being made from china, just porcelain ones!

I gave "rifle" a pass partly because I used "developed" in the question (developed does not necessarily mean invented) and partly because no one else had submitted "assault rifle" or any other small caliber gun.  If someone had submitted "assault rifle" I probably would have went back and asked for clarity on "rifle".

[Quizmaster]

Hmm, only 5 entries so far? Come on, let's get a few more!

I'll close entries in 72 hours, although I might extend this if entries are still coming in.

[Quizmaster]

For all those who have entered so far, you should've received a PM confirming whether or not your inverse- and special- scoring answers are valid. For those who had invalid answers, you are of course welcome to change them to valid ones.

I've received one more entry since the last message. There's still time to get some more in, if you haven't entered yet.

[Quizmaster]

Gonna give a few more hours for any last-minute entries, otherwise this is closing. If you do intend to make a last-minute entry, please drop me a PM advising me of such so that I don't start counting up the answers before you get yours in.

[Quizmaster]

Entries are now closed; I will be posting the results shortly.

[Quizmaster]

Unfortunately, the results will have to be delayed due to an oversight on my part - one person listed the same continent twice in their Q11 answers and I didn't notice this when verifying the answers.

I have contacted this person via PM, and have also calculated the results for all other questions. As soon as this person corrects their answer, I will calculate the Q11 / Q12 results and post the full results here.

EDIT: I don't want to delay this forever, especially when for the most part the scores have been calculated, so if the user doesn't provide a corrected response soon, I will change the second occurance of the duplicate continent to the one they missed. (My logic here being - process of elimination, the duplicated one was no longer a valid option at the point they chose it a second time, so the second is the one that should be replaced.)

[Quizmaster]

Corrected answer is in, so it's results time!


Regular scoring questions
1. Name a country that uses the Euro as its currency.
Germany (5 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, geoo, namida, Simon
France (1 person; 0.2 points): grams88

2. Name a country that uses any kind of "dollar" as its currency.
USA (5 people; 1 point): Crane, geoo, grams88, namida, Simon
Canada (1 person; 0.2 points): bsmith

3. Name a country that does not have a president.
United Kingdom (3 people; 1 point): Crane, geoo, grams88
Canada (2 people; 0.67 points): bsmith, namida
North Korea (1 person; 0.33 points): Simon

4. Name a country that produces a lot of electronic goods.
Japan (4 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, grams88, Simon
China (2 people; 0.5 points): geoo, namida

5. Name a country in the southern hemisphere.
New Zealand (3 people; 1 point): geoo, namida, Simon
Australia (2 people; 0.67 points): Crane, grams88
Brazil (1 person; 0.33 points): bsmith

6. Name a country that does not have any land borders with other countries.
New Zealand (3 people; 1 point): geoo, namida, Simon
Australia (2 people; 0.67 points): bsmith, Crane
Iceland (1 person; 0.33 points): grams88

Total scores for Standard-Scoring section:
geoo: 5.50
Crane: 5.34
Simon: 5.33
namida: 5.17
grams88: 4.20
bsmith: 3.87

Inverse scoring questions
7. Name a country that has the Union Jack in their flag.
Acceptable answers: Too many to list.
Niue (1 person; 1 point): namida
New Zealand (2 people; 0.67 points): Crane, geoo
Australia (3 people; 0.33 points): bsmith, grams88, Simon

8. Name a country that shares a land border with Russia. (Russia itself is not a valid answer.)
Acceptable answers: Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, North Korea, China
Unique answers (3 unique answers; 1 point each):
>> Crane: Mongolia
>> grams88: Poland
>> namida: North Korea
>> Simon: China
Finland (2 people; 0.5 points): bsmith, geoo

9. Name a country that has a larger land area than the United States.
Acceptable answers: Canada, China, Russia
Canada (3 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, namida
China (3 people; 1 point): geoo, grams88, Simon

10. Name one of the countries in the United Kingdom.
Acceptable answers: England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland
Unique answers (2 unique answers; 1 point each):
>> bsmith: Northern Ireland
>> geoo: Scotland
Wales (2 people; 0.5 points): Crane, grams88
England (2 people; 0.5 points): namida, Simon

Total scores for Inverse-Scoring section:
namida: 3.50
Crane: 3.17
geoo: 3.17
bsmith: 2.83
grams88: 2.83
Simon: 2.83

Total scores for Standard- and Inverse- Scoring Questions combined
geoo: 8.67
namida: 8.67
Crane: 8.51
Simon: 8.16
grams88: 7.03
bsmith: 6.70


Special-Scoring Questions

Note: The scores for these questions are seperate from the main feud score; the conversion to feud score is at the end of this section.

Some people wrote "Australia" rather than "Oceania". This was fine; I interpreted this as meaning "Oceania". (Technically, "Australia" being a continent is more geographically accurate.)

11. You are planning a holiday in which, over a period of one week, you will visit each of the 7 continents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, and Antarctica. You will visit one continent per day (let's assume you instantly teleport to the next one at midnight). Decide which order you will visit them in. On each day, you will score 1 point if you are the only person in your chosen continent, 2 points if there is exactly one other person there, half a point if there are exactly two other people there, and no points if there are three or more other people there.

In-Depth Results (click to show/hide)

A region will be bolded if it was investigated on that day; but full investigation details will be covered in Question 12's section. This is just for quick reference purposes.

Day 1:
Antarctica (2 people; 2 points): Crane, geoo
Asia (2 people; 2 points): grams88, Simon
North America (1 person; 1 point): namida
South America (1 person; 1 point): bsmith

Day 2:
Europe (2 people; 2 points): bsmith, Crane
Africa (1 person; 1 point): geoo
Asia (1 person; 1 point): namida
North America (1 person; 1 point): grams88
South America (1 person; 1 point): Simon

Day 3:
Antarctica (2 people; 2 points): grams88, namida
Africa (1 person; 1 point): Simon
Asia (1 person; 1 point): geoo
North America (1 person; 1 point): Crane
Oceania (1 person; 1 point): bsmith

Day 4:
Antarctica (2 people; 2 points): bsmith, Simon
South America (2 people; 2 points): geoo, grams88
Africa (1 person; 1 point): Crane
Oceania (1 person; 1 point): namida

Day 5:
South America (2 people; 2 points): Crane, namida
Africa (1 person; 1 point): bsmith
Oceania (3 people; 0.5 points): geoo, grams88, Simon

Day 6:
Africa (2 people; 2 points): grams88, namida
Asia (1 person; 1 point): bsmith
Europe (1 person; 1 point): Simon
North America (1 person; 1 point): geoo
Oceania (1 person; 1 point): Crane

Day 7:
North America (2 people; 1 point): bsmith, Simon
Asia (1 person; 1 point): Crane
Europe (3 people; 0.5 points): geoo, grams88, namida

Scores for Question 11:
bsmith: 10
Crane: 10
grams88: 10
namida: 9.5
Simon: 9.5
geoo: 8

12. You have learnt that one of the other users is wanted by the international police during their holiday! The problem is, you don't know exactly who. All you can do is pick a day and a continent, and point the international police in that direction. The international police will investigate three reports per person. All users who are in the reported continent on the reported day will be "spotted" by the international police. Whichever user is spotted the most loses 3 points (if there is a tie, the loss is split evenly), whichever user is spotted the least gains 3 points (again, split if tied). Note that if two users report the same combination, it is only investigated once.

List of reports (click to show/hide)

bsmith
Day 3, Asia
Day 4, Europe
Day 7, Antarctica

Crane
Day 1, Europe
Day 1, North America
Day 3, Europe

geoo
Day 2, Antarctica
Day 2, Oceania
Day 3, Antarctica

grams88
Day 1, Antarctica
Day 4, North America
Day 7, Oceania

namida
Day 3, Asia
Day 5, Africa
Day 5, Oceania

Simon
Day 2, Africa
Day 2, Antarctica
Day 2, Oceania

Investigation Findings (click to show/hide)

All regions investigated are listed, even if they showed no results. If something is not listed, it was not investigated.

Day 1
Antarctica: Crane, geoo
Europe: none
North America: namida

Day 2
Africa: geoo
Antarctica: none
Oceania: none

Day 3
Antarctica: grams88, namida
Asia: geoo
Europe: none

Day 4
Europe: none
North America: none

Day 5
Africa: bsmith
Oceania: geoo, grams88, Simon

Day 6
No reports. The international police are grateful for this day off from work.

Day 7
Antarctica: none
Oceania: none

Scores for Question 12:
Least finds (3 people; 1 point each): bsmith, Crane, Simon
Most finds (1 person; -3 points): geoo
Others (no effect on score):
> grams88, found twice
> namida, found twice

Total scores for special-scoring questions:
bsmith: 11.00 (feud score: 3.00)
Crane: 11.00 (feud score: 3.00)
Simon: 10.50 (feud score: 2.86)
grams88: 10.00 (feud score: 2.73)
namida: 9.50 (feud score: 2.59)
geoo: 5.00 (feud score: 1.36)

Grand Totals
Crane: 11.51
namida: 11.26
Simon: 11.02
geoo: 10.03
grams88: 9.76
bsmith: 9.70


Congratulations to Crane for winning this round!

If anyone would like to host the next round, drop me a private message (on the QuizMaster account). Otherwise, I'll put a new one up at some point in the next few days.

[namida]

Just wondering - the inverse questions do seem to be fairly popular. For the 2016 season, should we perhaps consider splitting them into two seperate games? (Although then the question arises of which game the special-scoring questions should go in - but perhaps they can be accepted in both, or even made into a third game.)

[grams88]

Welldone Crane

Not a bad idea Namida, they do seem very popular the inverse scoring ones as it's like you are playing a different game, although we probably need to be very strict with which answers are accepted.

Ah question 7 the inverse scoring one, I was thinking should I go for one of the common ones in the hope that no one else answers the same as me.

Question 9 was an interesting one as you could only pick one of three. I picked the popular one which is not good.

That was a good round.

[namida]

Not a bad idea Namida, they do seem very popular the inverse scoring ones as it's like you are playing a different game, although we probably need to be very strict with which answers are accepted.

It's already understood in the inverse-scoring questions that if your answer is factually incorrect (or explicitly forbidden by the question), it scores zero; unlike in the standard questions where these don't matter and it's solely about how popular the answer is.

We can see even in Q7 and Q8 here, that a large selection of possible answers is not nessecerially an obstacle to there being conflicts.

Question 9 was an interesting one as you could only pick one of three. I picked the popular one which is not good.

Both answers were equally common there. Though if anyone had've said Russia, they'dve won that question, since no one said it at all...

[Quizmaster]

Okay, let's have a new round! The theme this time is going to be... animals!

There won't be any inverse scoring ones, as I couldn't think of any that didn't have a far too large selection of potential valid answers. So it's standard- and special- scoring only, this time.

Standard-Scoring Questions
1. Name an animal you might have as a pet.
2. Name an animal that might try to eat you.
3. Name an animal that does not have a tail.
4. Name an extinct animal.
5. Name an animal that looks somewhat like a human (other than humans themself).
6. Name an amphibious animal.
7. Name a breed of dog.
8. Name an animal that can fly and is not a bird of any kind.
9. Name an animal you might see in a circus.
10. Name an animal that you might eat. (Apologies to the vegetarians / vegans on here.)

Special-Scoring Questions
11. You're betting on a horse race! There are five horses, we'll simply call them No. 1, No. 2, etc. All you have to do is choose which one you want to bet on, and how many points you want to bet on it - this must be a multiple of 0.5, and cannot exceed 2.5. These will be deducted from your feud score. You gain points equal to your bet times the following multipliers, depending on where your horse comes:
1st: 2x
2nd: 1.5x
3rd: 1x
4th: 0.5x
5th: 0x
So for example, if you bet 1.5 points and your horse comes 2nd, you'll gain (1.5 x 1.5) = 2.25 points; for a profit of 0.75 points.
You may choose not to participate in this question at all, if you like. If you do so, you neither gain nor lose any points for it.

12. Of course, we need some way to determine the results that isn't open to manipulation by the host. So - pick any number from 0 to 999. Everyone's numbers will be added together, and used as the seed to generate random numbers on this webpage (allowing anyone who wants to verify the result's fairness to do so). This will determine the ranking of the horses (with the first number in the generated list being 1st place). There are no points to be gained or lost for this question; it is just used to determine results fairly for Question 11.

[Quizmaster]

Just a friendly reminder for those who do decide to participate in Question 11 - you must choose both a bet amount (0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 or 2.5) and a horse to bet on (Horse 1, Horse 2, Horse 3, Horse 4 or Horse 5). I have already received a couple of submissions that only put one or the other.

[Quizmaster]

I'll close entries in 48 hours, unless there's still new ones coming in.

[Quizmaster]

Alright - time to start working out the results. Entries are now closed.
EDIT: Results are tallied up, just got to write them out now.

[Quizmaster]

Alright, here we go!

1. Name an animal you might have as a pet.
Dog (5 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, geoo, grams88, mobius
Cat (3 people; 0.6 points): Minim, namida, Simon

2. Name an animal that might try to eat you.
Lion (5 people; 1 point): Crane, grams88, mobius, namida, Simon
Wolf (2 people; 0.4 points): bsmith, Minim
Shark (1 person; 0.2 points): geoo

3. Name an animal that does not have a tail.
Human (3 people; 1 point): Minim, mobius, Simon
Gorilla (2 people; 0.67 points): bsmith, namida
Unique answers (0.33 points each):
> Crane: Chimpanzee
> geoo: Frog
> grams88: Fish

4. Name an extinct animal.
Dinosaur (4 people; 1 point): geoo, mobius, namida, Simon
Dodo (3 people; 0.75 points): bsmith, Crane, grams88
T-Rex (1 person; 0.25 points): Minim (Subclass rule, so this wasn't counted as equivalent to "Dinosaur")

5. Name an animal that looks somewhat like a human (other than humans themself).
Gorilla (3 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, Simon
Monkey (3 people; 1 point): grams88, Minim, mobius
Unique answers (0.33 points each):
> geoo: Ape
> namida: Chimpanzee

6. Name an amphibious animal.
Frog (7 people; 1 point): bsmith, geoo, grams88, Minim, mobius, namida, Simon
Crocodile (1 person; 0.14 points): Crane

7. Name a breed of dog.
Husky (2 people; 1 point): bsmith, geoo
Unique answers (0.5 points each):
> Crane: Rottweiler
> grams88: Collie
> Minim: Beagle
> mobius: German Shephard
> namida: Labrador
> Simon: Dachshund

8. Name an animal that can fly and is not a bird of any kind.
Bat (7 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, grams88, Minim, mobius, namida, Simon
Fly (1 person; 0.14 points): geoo

9. Name an animal you might see in a circus.
Elephant (6 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, grams88, mobius, namida, Simon
Unique answers (0.17 points each):
> geoo: Lion
> Minim: Monkey

10. Name an animal that you might eat.
Cow (3 people; 1 point): bsmith, Crane, namida
Chicken (2 people; 0.67 points): geoo, grams88
Unique anwers (0.33 points each):
> Minim: Lamb
> mobius: Capybara
> Simon: Pig

Totals for standard-scoring questions
mobius - 8.83
bsmith - 8.82
Simon - 8.43
grams88 - 8.25
namida - 8.10
Crane - 7.72
Minim - 6.25
geoo - 5.84


Horse Race Results!

Total seed value: 2301 (click to show/hide)

bsmith: 561
Crane: 768
geoo: 0
grams88: 50
Minim: 122
mobius: 8
namida: 733
Simon: 59

This seed was used on this website, with a minimum value of 1 and a maximum value of 5, and no duplicates allowed, to give the following results:
1st Place: Horse 5
2nd Place: Horse 4
3rd Place: Horse 3
4th Place: Horse 2
5th Place: Horse 1

bsmith, Crane, grams88 and geoo chose not to bet, so do not gain or lose any points on this question.
Minim and mobius both bet 2.5 points on Horse 3; namida bet 1 point on Horse 3. Since Horse 3 came third, these people win back their bet exactly so do not gain or lose any points.
Simon bet 2.5 points on Horse 1. Since Horse 1 came last, Simon receives no return on his bet, for a net loss of 2.5 points on this question.

Final Scores
mobius - 8.83
bsmith - 8.82
grams88 - 8.25
namida - 8.10
Crane - 7.72
Minim - 6.25
Simon - 5.93
geoo - 5.84


Thank you for playing! If anyone else would like to host a feud, drop me a PM, otherwise I'll put another one up at some point in the next few days.

[Quizmaster]

Okay, I guess it's time to put a new round up... the theme this time will be science!

Standard-Scoring Questions
1. Name a subatomic particle.
2. Name a noble gas.
3. Name a chemical element that, in its pure form, is not solid at room temperature.
4. Name a chemical element that does not occur naturally.
5. Name a famous scientist (whether currently alive or historical).
6. Name a sub-field of science.
7. Name a well-known scientific formula.

Inverse-Scoring Questions
8. Name a noble gas that has at least one stable isotope.
9. Name an invention made by Edison.
10. Name one of the SI base units.

Special-Scoring Questions
We all know how popular nuclear bombs are in the feud, so let's play with them! For this feud's special scoring questions, you are living during a worldwide nuclear war!
As with the previous feud, the special scoring questions' scores is seperate from the main feud score; the rules for conversion will be listed at the end.

11. You are standing on a road, at an initial position of your choice (represented by a number between 1 and 100). You see a nuclear missile incoming. You need to seek a fallout shelter. You can either build your own, at a cost of 5 points, or you can seek shelter in someone else's, which costs only 1 point. For every other person who uses your fallout shelter, you gain 2 points. Which fallout shelter someone goes to when seeking them is determined by which one is closest to their position. For example, if two people - whose positions were 35 and 65 - decided to build shelters, and someone at position 55 seeks someone else's shelter, they will go into the shelter at 65. Two shelters cannot be built at the same position; if this happens, both players will be required to pick a new position which cannot be the same.

If no shelters are built at all, everyone dies and the special-scoring questions are terminated with no gain or loss of points to anyone.

12. The nuclear blast has struck, but you survived. Now it's time to strike back. All players are asked to vote for one of three options; the most popular option wins, and those who voted for it get 1 point each. The options are: Tactical nuclear strikes against the enemy's military facilities; a shock-value strike against a civilian target; or an experimental anti-matter bomb that would wipe the enemy's entire country off the map... if it works.

13. Finally, it's time to see if our option worked. For this, we need a random number seed just like in the last feud, so provide any number from 0 to 999. This will be used, on the same site, to generate a single random number between 1 and 100. The impact of the result depends on which option was chosen in question 12:

Tactical strikes
> 1 ~ 25: One facility is hit, and everyone gains 2 points.
> 26 ~ 50: Two facilities are hit, and everyone gains 3 points.
> 51 ~ 75: Three facilities are hit, and everyone gains 4 points.
> 76 ~ 100: Four facilities are hit, and everyone gains 6 points.

Civilian target
> 1 ~ 25: The shock over the attack prompts universal outrage from the international community, and the entire world turns against us. Everyone loses 5 points.
> 26 ~ 50: The target city turned out to have been evacuated. Nothing is gained or lost.
> 51 ~ 75: The attack caused a significant impact on the enemy's morale. Everyone gains 5 points.
> 76 ~ 100: The attack provoked an immediate and total surrender from the enemy. Everyone gains 10 points.

Antimatter weapon
> 1 ~ 25: The weapon is far more powerful than anyone imagined, and destroys the entire world. Everyone loses 15 points.
> 26 ~ 50: The weapon accidentally detonates before launch, killing all players. Everyone loses 10 points.
> 51 ~ 75: The weapon fails. Nothing is gained or lost.
> 76 ~ 100: The enemy is completely obliterated, and no other country will dare to mess with that bomb. Everyone gains 30 points.

Conversion to standard feud score
4 points on these questions = 1 feud point. However, the maximum gain or loss cannot exceed 3 points; if it would, then all gains/losses are scaled down as needed.

[bsmith]

Neat minigame!  But I have to ask, did question 14 get blown up by the incoming nuclear missile?

[Quizmaster]

I changed my mind about having a 4th part to the special scoring as it was already getting very complicated. I forgot to remove these references to it.

[Quizmaster]

Rule hole in 11: Shelter at 20, shelter at 40, candidate at 30 wants to use someone else's shelter. What is the closest shelter?

I didn't consider this possibility. Okay - increasing value will take priority in these cases. But do note that the wraparound still applies - if there's one at 90 and one at 10, someone at 100 will go to 10.

Clarification in 12: "the most popular option wins" = all most popular options win?

Didn't consider the possibility of a tie here. Okay - if a tie occurs, Q12 and Q13 are both split between the options (0.5 per voter for Q12; half the stated scores on each option for Q13). A single random number is still used.

Clarification in 13: "The impact of the result depends on which option was chosen in question 12" = chosen by me, or chosen by simple majority vote?

By the majority vote. Only one option gets used (unless two or more were tied for most popular, in which case they're split, but all using the same random number.

Clarification in 13: "Everyone gains/loses" = all players (then what difference does the outcome make?), or the voters for that option?

All players. It could make a difference if someone is significantly high / low, to the point where the feud score conversion cap becomes involved. In such a case, a large gain/loss could change how much they gain relative to the other players.

Clarification in 13: "Everyone loses 15 points, and question 14 is skipped." There is no question 14?

See above post.

[Simon]

Thanks for the quick clarifications.

The wraparound metric is news for me, can't find it anywhere in Q11.

-- Simon

[bsmith]

Hey Quizmaster! Did you get busy during the holidays?

[Simon]

The round has been open for 3 months. I don't believe this will ever resolve.

Let's make the Quizmaster account available again. I'm not keen on running a standard round of Family Feud right now, but I've got a game design itch. Shall we see what surprises I got up my sleeve?

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

I had completely forgotten about this, to be honest.

Just on the offchance anyone wants to get answers in, I'll make a 24-hour notice on answers closing, and then I'll tally up the scores. But yes, with me forgetting that badly, it's probably best that I pass to someone else for the next round.

[Simon]

If you're around, sure, go resolve this first.

-- Simon

[Quizmaster]

While compiling the entries, I noticed an omission of a starting point in one person's Q11, and an invalid answer from one person to Q9.

To give this person time to fix their answers, I'll leave the round open a bit longer - probably around 24 hours; at least one person knows who's Quizmaster at the moment so they can give me a friendly reminder if I forget again (I probably won't now that it's been brought up again, though).

Other people are free to submit answers during this time as well - despite probably the longest open-for-answers period in the history of Lemmings Forums Family Feud, we've only had 4 submissions!

[Quizmaster]

Fell a bit off-track once again, but entries are now closed. Results will be posted shortly.

[Quizmaster]

Okay, it's results time!

We only had four entries this time, so it's probably not going to be as exciting as usual. Regardless, let's play!

Standard-Scoring Questions

1. Name a subatomic particle.
All answers were unique and score 1 point each.
bsmith: Electron
geoo: Quark
mobius: Higgs Boson
Simon: Proton

2. Name a noble gas.
Helium (3 people, 1 point): bsmith, geoo, Simon
Neon (1 person, 0.33 points): mobius

3. Name a chemical element that, in its pure form, is not solid at room temperature.
Mercury (2 people, 1 point): bsmith, mobius
Helium (2 people, 1 point): geoo, Simon

4. Name a chemical element that does not occur naturally.
Plutonium (2 people, 1 point): bsmith, Simon
Einsteinium (1 person, 0.5 points): geoo <--- Congratulations on having the only factually correct answer to this question
Uranium (1 person, 0.5 point): mobius

5. Name a famous scientist (whether currently alive or historical).
Albert Einstein (4 people, 1 point): Everyone

6. Name a sub-field of science.
Physics (2 people, 1 point): bsmith, geoo
Quantum Physics (1 person, 0.5 points): mobius
Chemistry (1 person, 0.5 points): Simon

7. Name a well-known scientific formula.
e=mc² (4 people, 1 point): Everyone

Total scores for standard scoring:
bsmith: 7
geoo, Simon: 6.5
mobius: 5.33

Inverse-Scoring Questions

In these, all answers were unique, so every answer (except one invalid answer) scores 1 point each.

8. Name a noble gas that has at least one stable isotope.
bsmith: Helium
geoo: Krypton
mobius: Argon
Simon: Neon

9. Name an invention made by Edison.
Note that I decided against being overly pedantic about the "was it really made by Edison" controversies in the end. If it's generally attributed to him, I accepted it as an answer.
bsmith: Phonograph
geoo: Public relations through snatching and electrocuting pets [1]
mobius: Universal Stock Ticker
Simon: Flying Machine [2]

10. Name one of the SI base units.
bsmith: Ohm <-- invalid answer
geoo: Ampere
mobius: Kilogram
Simon: Kelvin

Total scores for inverse scoring:
geoo, mobius, Simon: 3
bsmith: 2

Total scores for standard and inverse scoring combined:
geoo, Simon: 9.5
bsmith: 9
mobius: 8.33

Special-Scoring Questions

Please see the original post for full details.

11. Incoming nuclear missile. Build a shelter or find someone else's?
-- Shelter Builders --
mobius: Builds a shelter at position 55 (-5)
Simon: Builds a shelter at position 67 (-5)

-- Shelter Finders --
bsmith: Starts at position 23. (-1) Finds mobius's shelter at 55. (+2 to mobius)
geoo: Starts at position 47. (-1) Finds mobius's shelter at 55. (+2 to mobius)

-- Result --
bsmith, geoo, mobius: -1
Simon: -5

12. Decide on a counterattack.
Voted for experimental antimatter weapon (3 people, +1): bsmith, geoo, mobius
Voted for tactical nuclear strike (1 person, +0): Simon

13. Outcome of counterattack.
bsmith's seed: 11
geoo's seed: 0
mobius's seed: 421
Simon's seed: 2
Total seed: 434

Random number: 48

Result:

> 26 ~ 50: The weapon accidentally detonates before launch, killing all players. Everyone loses 10 points.

Result for special scoring:
bsmith, geoo, mobius: -10 (Feud score: -2)
Simon: -15 (Feud score: -3)

Final results
geoo: 7.5
bsmith: 7
Simon: 6.5
mobius: 6.33


Well, I'd say it's well and truly time to hand this over to someone else now. On that note - I do believe it's probably time to start a new topic, since it's not 2015 anymore.

[mobius]

oh that's right--- I sort of remember this feud, . I'm sad more people didn't join, I actually really liked this one and the special questions too.